Post by: wolfbait on August 23, 2020, 11:49:25 AM
https://methowvalleynews.com/2020/08/19/wolf-conservation-advocate-dismissed-from-wdfw-advisory-panel/
Post by: Pegasus on August 23, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
Wolf conservation advocate dismissed from WDFW advisory panel
https://methowvalleynews.com/2020/08/19/wolf-conservation-advocate-dismissed-from-wdfw-advisory-panel/
Unfortunately they will just replace him with another nutjob from one of these pro-wolves groups; Center for Biological Diversity, Western Watersheds Project, Wild Earth Guardians, Northwest Animal Rights Network, the Lands Council, Predator Defense, Project Coyote, Northeast Oregon Ecosystems, Mountain Lion Foundation, Western Wildlife Conservation, Farmer Frog, Indigenous Sisters Resistance, Western Wildlife Outreach, Cascadia Wildlands, Animal Wellness Action, Environmental Protection Information Center, and Center for a Humane Economy.
Post by: buckfvr on August 23, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
Let the wolves chew them down to nothing so there is no other choice but to protect them, just like the wonderful wolf.
Post by: NitRally on August 23, 2020, 06:26:39 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 23, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
Post by: jrebel on August 23, 2020, 06:37:51 PM
Im mostly shocked the guy lives AND survives in Republic.
There are a ton of these bunny hug'n nut jobs in our rural areas. We have one in my neck of the woods that is a complete greeny. He hates everyone that hunts and is a prick about it.
Post by: buckfvr on August 23, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2020, 07:44:39 AM
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2020, 07:55:36 AM
I'm glad Susewind took the action for the reasons he did.We need to let the comission know we support him. Other directors would have limp noodled this and let it slide.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2020, 09:20:36 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact
Dear Commissioners,
I want to voice my support for Director Susewind’s removal of Timothy Coleman from the WAG. Although a well-balanced group on the council has been the goal, members who are openly hostile to any attempt at management and aggressively and publicly oppose the stated goals of the department need to be removed. In addition, when someone is so hostile, there’s no doubt that they use the information gleaned from the meetings to tip off their radical organizations which then immediately litigate (with taxpayer money) or take other actions which get in the way of proper and graduated management actions.
Please thank the director for his leadership in this removal.
Pianoman
Post by: buckfvr on August 24, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Perfect. What would go a long way towards finding even keel regarding season setting process and implementing changes, would be to remove the governor from the equation. Some of his appointees leave a lot to be desired from our perspective.
Convince King Co and three or four members of the forum. The rest of us always vote against him. Send in your comment to the commission. :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on August 24, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 24, 2020, 10:24:51 AM
Post by: woodswalker on August 24, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2020, 11:06:07 AM
The submit a comment online link is dead, goes to the page but no comment field.
You have to wait a few seconds for the page to load. I just tried it. The link is good. :dunno:
Post by: ribka on August 24, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
Good to see him gone. His lawsuits, and feeding of information to other (often out-of-state) litigants, were extremely counterproductive and against the agreements made among WAG members to work in good faith.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Chase what's conservation NW's position is using all legal and proven means to control exploding wolf and other predator populations ? Like hunting with dogs and using trapping and aerial shooting to help control exploding wolf populations?
Sure you'll disappear again.
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 24, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Good to see him gone. His lawsuits, and feeding of information to other (often out-of-state) litigants, were extremely counterproductive and against the agreements made among WAG members to work in good faith.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Sure you'll disappear again.
Well, it is hunting season.
Post by: wolfbait on September 14, 2020, 04:13:07 AM
“I’ve lived and worked in the Kettle River Range for over three decades and can attest to the immense damage done by cattle overgrazing each and every year,” said Kettle Range Director, Timothy Coleman.”
https://www.kxly.com/conservation-groups-sue-u-s-forest-service-for-cattle-over-grazing-in-colville/
Conservation groups protest to Gov. Inslee
Conservation groups have appealed to Gov. Jay Inslee to intervene after an outspoken wolf conservation advocate was abruptly dismissed from a citizen group that advises state wildlife officials on the management of endangered gray wolves.
Timothy Coleman of Republic, who has been openly critical of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) decisions to kill wolves that attack livestock, was removed from the Wolf Advisory Group by WDFW Director Kelly Susewind last week.
https://methowvalleynews.com/2020/08/19/wolf-conservation-advocate-dismissed-from-wdfw-advisory-panel/
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Post by: KFhunter on September 14, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Cattle are doing what elk/deer *should* be doing, if ever WA pulls their heads out and starts building ungulate herds then we can look at overgrazing issues or potential conflicts.
June through sept is important to graze, it encourages the fall greenup and builds nutritionally dense forage the snow then covers and preserves through winter.
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Post by: Slenk on September 14, 2020, 09:34:52 AM
Post by: bornhunter on September 14, 2020, 09:39:10 AM
I am going to put my 2 cents in even if it's not worth much. I am 80 years old . I grew up in ranching and forest grazing. Have been involved in the cattle business most of my life. When the ranchers were grazing more of the forests we did not have the fires we have now. We also had more Deer & Elk and also game birds.:yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on September 14, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
I am going to put my 2 cents in even if it's not worth much. I am 80 years old . I grew up in ranching and forest grazing. Have been involved in the cattle business most of my life. When the ranchers were grazing more of the forests we did not have the fires we have now. We also had more Deer & Elk and also game birds.Yeah
Amazes me how many hunters hate cattle, mostly cause they get in their trail cams bait I suppose
All a guy gotta do is string some peckerpoles around their salt/hay/corn like a corral, use hemp rope or sisal and lash them to a tree, don't take a whole lot to keep em out.
Cheaper than feeding the cows lol
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Post by: kodiak10 on September 14, 2020, 10:17:36 AM
It seems like the lawsuits and pressure from "conservation" groups are really in part motivated by the ease of getting funding from the public. It is real easy to sell the idea of the "evil" removal of wolves but harder to get funding for real science aimed at improving policy and real conservation.
Furthermore, the idea that you can actively work to sue the board you are on and then when you are removed it is "silencing of a voice" is wild. Despite your opinion you should expect to be removed if you inhibit the functioning of the organization you are in.
Post by: Special T on September 14, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
I am currently working on my masters in conservation... My ideas on this.
It seems like the lawsuits and pressure from "conservation" groups are really in part motivated by the ease of getting funding from the public. It is real easy to sell the idea of the "evil" removal of wolves but harder to get funding for real science aimed at improving policy and real conservation.
Furthermore, the idea that you can actively work to sue the board you are on and then when you are removed it is "silencing of a voice" is wild. Despite your opinion you should expect to be removed if you inhibit the functioning of the organization you are in.
ESA species and the FWS and or USFS have had lots of sue and settle lawsuits where said "Conservation groups" achieve most of their litigious funding. oftentimes this was done with very friendly insiders. One of 2 things should happen. either these kinds of funding avenues need to be closed, or more sportsmen orientated groups should adopt these same practices so that more can be reversed when the opportunity arises.
Post by: ribka on September 14, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
I figured you would be out spiking trees with your Boss and eco terrrorist Mitch Friedman.
Good thing he had logging and all forest management shut down in California, Oregon and Washington. How many millions acres of trees have been destroyed because of your eco terrorist boss at conservation NW?Whats the carbon emissions of these forest fires the past 20 years due to forest management being shut down by ecoterrorists?
Good to see him gone. His lawsuits, and feeding of information to other (often out-of-state) litigants, were extremely counterproductive and against the agreements made among WAG members to work in good faith.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Sure you'll disappear again.
Well, it is hunting season.