Post by: tinsleystyle on September 04, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
I rarely get into political debates and generally believe that my political opinion isn't going to change someone elses political opinion. However, as a sportsman and considering this is a website dedicated to sporting people, I would encourage you to do your own reading on cadidates that are in the current election. I am a conservative person and generally vote republican. I will be voting for Culp to be our new governor, not because there is a "R" after his name but because his values and beliefs line up with my own more than any other candidate.
This article is another example of our governor putting special interests first and using his position as a dictatorship in order to impose that special interest. Avoid the media for your research, and do what you think is best for the state of Washington and what is important to you.
Post by: bearpaw on September 04, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
Post by: Humptulips on September 04, 2020, 07:48:08 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 04, 2020, 08:06:32 PM
I'll note from the article WA has 14% of packs involved in livestock depredations compared to a 20% average in the Rockies. With WA doing better then average it seems unlikely there is much room for improvement.
14% of how many wolf packs?
WDFW is a joke when it comes to confirming wolf packs, and livestock kills are a small percentage as to what's going on out in the brush.
If the true number of wolf packs were reported concerning wolf predation on livestock, the pack numbers would go way up along with the percentage. Many ranchers have and are taking care of wolf problems, and WDFW has no problem with that, out of sight out of mind. WDF$Wolves have been a joke from the start, and dishonest as hell.
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.stuart.16/videos/3364697176981914/UzpfSTE1NDUzMDMxODU6Vks6NzYzNTE5MjA3NzcwODA4/?multi_permalinks=759339991522063¬if_id=1598798839421124¬if_t=group_highlights
Post by: Loup Loup on September 04, 2020, 08:45:09 PM
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
Post by: chukarchaser on September 04, 2020, 10:36:09 PM
Post by: Cougartail on September 04, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
I can't decide if Inslee's actions and inactions are through incompetence or maliciousness. He and is ilk have become intolerable.
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
:yeah: Spot on.
Post by: Sutherland on September 04, 2020, 11:24:25 PM
Exactly, couldn't have worded it better myself. Culp 100%!
Post by: nwwanderer on September 05, 2020, 08:45:53 AM
Post by: Special T on September 05, 2020, 11:13:18 AM
I would like to say I am surprised, but sadly I am not. This isnt the first time Inslee has shined sportsmen on. Several years back and a previous director ago sportsmen had negotiated an increase in the cougar quota with the WDFW. Once everything was agreed to Inslee stepped in and did not allow the quota increase to take place. His current action echos his past, renigging on efforts to gain consensus. Inslee does not act in good faith. The countless hours that cattlemen, and sportsmen have put forward to be good stuarts of the resource and acknowledge those that are not consumptive users like sportmen have gone in vain.
Our WDFW Director Kelly Susewind has enforced the agreements made in the Wolf Advisory Group (WAG). Sportsmen compromised so that wolves would have some management, and despite the distaste we might have had for the agreement our current director followed though when past directors we slow to action... I believe purposefully. Kelly is our man. Proof of this is the fact that Timothy Coleman whom is executive director of the Kettle Range Conservation Group was removed from the WAG. " In a letter to Coleman, Susewind cited his participation in lawsuits, protests and interviews as a “pattern of behavior” that eroded trust with other advisory group members and WDFW staff."
No doubt that animal rights activist groups petitioning Inslee has resulted in this maneuver by the Governor.
I am calling my fellow sportsmen to action. Contact the Fish and Wildlife Commission. Express your support for Directors Susewinds actions in bouncing Coleman off the WAG. Further emphasize that predators of all kinds need to be more aggressively managed, and that the current push to do away with hunting contests for species that do not have bag limits. Basically Coyote or other predators that prey on fawns and small game.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact
I'm sorry, but it was worse than that on the cougar quotas, I was one of the people that negotiated the higher quotas. The Commission even agreed to the higher quotas and that *censored* of a Governor vetoed it, pandering to the same groups, saying we violated the Administrative Procedures Act. Then Unsworth became Director and the wheels fell off the cart, the cart broke, and a fire burned up all the pieces. WDFW was FUBAR under Unsworth. This move by the Governor is just another BOHICA, we need to get rid of this clown.
I cannot say how pissed off I am at our worthless Governor. I was on the original Wolf Advisory Group, the second version of WAG, the third version when Francine Madden came aboard, and the fourth version of WAG. I spent eight years on the Wolf Advisory Group. I was part of group that came to the UNANIMOUS agreement on the lethal control protocol, that was ranchers, animal-rights groups, agriculture, environmental groups, and hunters all agreeing. I asked NOT to be reappointed during the middle of Director Unsworth's tenure as I couldn't stand it any longer with him in charge. With Unsworth in charge everything was FUBAR.
This idiot Governor threw away compromise and collaboration to pander to the most radical extremist animal-rights groups that there are. Less than 1% of Americans support the extremist animal-rights agenda of no meat, no leather, no medical testing on animals to find cures for diseases, no killing of insects or poisonous animals, no killing of animals to save human life, no pet ownership, no service animals, and that animals are equal to human and have the same rights. Those are the radical groups he sided with. His actions just sickened me. Lethal control of wolves works. Our Governor is a world class moron. He just said to rural communities, hunters, ranchers, and agriculture - BOHICA! Let's give him the boot!
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 05, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
I can't decide if Inslee's actions and inactions are through incompetence or maliciousness. He and is ilk have become intolerable.
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
Political pandering to King, Pierce, and Thurston Co.s. Plain and simple. And "simple" is a great adjective for Dimslee.
Post by: Curly on September 05, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
I can't decide if Inslee's actions and inactions are through incompetence or maliciousness. He and is ilk have become intolerable.
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
Political pandering to King, Pierce, Clark and Thurston Co.s. Plain and simple. And "simple" is a great adjective for Dimslee.
I edited your statement for you.... ;)
(It hurts to be lumped with King Co)
:peep:
Post by: buckfvr on September 05, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 05, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
I can't decide if Inslee's actions and inactions are through incompetence or maliciousness. He and is ilk have become intolerable.
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
Political pandering to King, Pierce, Clark and Thurston Co.s. Plain and simple. And "simple" is a great adjective for Dimslee.
I edited your statement for you.... ;)
(It hurts to be lumped with King Co)
:peep:
We're a fairly conservative county, surprisingly so for a bedroom of PDX.
Post by: Curly on September 05, 2020, 08:18:44 PM
I can't decide if Inslee's actions and inactions are through incompetence or maliciousness. He and is ilk have become intolerable.
Culp is the real deal. Research him. Inslee has refused to debate Culp. Blaming covid.
Also look up "restore washington".This initiative would limit a governor to 14 days after declaring an emergency and then the legislature would decide on validity of emergency decree. Iniative would be too late to rein in Inslee but would hold the next clown accountable.
Initiative 1114, we need 330,000 signatures.
Political pandering to King, Pierce, Clark and Thurston Co.s. Plain and simple. And "simple" is a great adjective for Dimslee.
I edited your statement for you.... ;)
(It hurts to be lumped with King Co)
:peep:
We're a fairly conservative county, surprisingly so for a bedroom of PDX.
That's good to hear.
I feel like most of rural Thurston Co is also fairly conservative. At least my area has quite a few Trump signs displayed and a lot of Culp signs. Olympia is a different story.
To get back on topic....Inslee is a complete dolt and if he thinks something is a good idea it most likely is a terrible idea.
Post by: HighlandLofts on September 06, 2020, 10:23:37 AM
But that is thier parties political way.
Post by: Loup Loup on September 06, 2020, 10:45:57 AM
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Post by: Ridgeratt on September 06, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
Post by: I-Snipe-Varmints on September 06, 2020, 08:34:05 PM
My brother and I have countered some of his policies with well thought out emails regarding very detailed studies and facts on climate change and he came back with a kindergarten response.
It's no wonder he can't manage predators like wolves when he's a *censored*. It's time to move out of state and flush this turd in the next few years.
Post by: Loup Loup on September 07, 2020, 08:35:53 AM
Im done politicking on a Wolf thread.
Vote!
Post by: archerykraze on September 10, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on September 14, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/livestock/inslee-mirrors-environmental-groups-on-wolf-removal/article_7d1ab6e2-f1fa-11ea-bb89-fb96f9351908.html
(https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/livestock/inslee-mirrors-environmental-groups-on-wolf-removal/article_7d1ab6e2-f1fa-11ea-bb89-fb96f9351908.html)
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/governor-requests-rule-making-on-wolf-management/
(https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/governor-requests-rule-making-on-wolf-management/)
Our biggest concern is whether new rules at the Governor’s request will create backlash and a lower acceptance of implementing non-lethal measures. More than a decade of effort has gone into collaborative uptake of conflict avoidance efforts in Washington wolf territory, including five years of working under the current WAG framework to develop the existing Protocol (with improved range riding expectations about to be finalized.) The work of getting rancher acceptance and implementation of high-quality deterrence measures on-the-ground is expensive and time consuming. We question whether a regulations-based approach will get better results than the current approach of WAG-negotiated protocols, which provide the WDFW Director discretion to wait to use lethal removal beyond the prescribed thresholds until more attempts at non-lethal measures have been tried, as well as provide the ranching and agricultural community ownership of non-lethal conflict avoidance measures.
In short, we’re with the Farm Bureau and many others on the WAG with concerns about this. This move caves to hardline zealots from AZ, CO and OR and undermines years of constructive collaboration through the WAG and on the ground in Eastern Washington.
But I’m sure Ribka or WolfBait will be on here momentarily talking about conservationist wolves-in-sheeps clothing, or something like that. If I don’t reply, I’ve “disappeared” for the High Hunt.
Post by: wolfbait on September 15, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
Our thoughts and analysis on this surprising and disappointing move, for anyone that wants a take from an in-state group (as opposed to the out-of-state petitioners/litigants).
https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/livestock/inslee-mirrors-environmental-groups-on-wolf-removal/article_7d1ab6e2-f1fa-11ea-bb89-fb96f9351908.html
(https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/livestock/inslee-mirrors-environmental-groups-on-wolf-removal/article_7d1ab6e2-f1fa-11ea-bb89-fb96f9351908.html)
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/governor-requests-rule-making-on-wolf-management/
(https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/governor-requests-rule-making-on-wolf-management/)
Our biggest concern is whether new rules at the Governor’s request will create backlash and a lower acceptance of implementing non-lethal measures. More than a decade of effort has gone into collaborative uptake of conflict avoidance efforts in Washington wolf territory, including five years of working under the current WAG framework to develop the existing Protocol (with improved range riding expectations about to be finalized.) The work of getting rancher acceptance and implementation of high-quality deterrence measures on-the-ground is expensive and time consuming. We question whether a regulations-based approach will get better results than the current approach of WAG-negotiated protocols, which provide the WDFW Director discretion to wait to use lethal removal beyond the prescribed thresholds until more attempts at non-lethal measures have been tried, as well as provide the ranching and agricultural community ownership of non-lethal conflict avoidance measures.
In short, we’re with the Farm Bureau and many others on the WAG with concerns about this. This move caves to hardline zealots from AZ, CO and OR and undermines years of constructive collaboration through the WAG and on the ground in Eastern Washington.
But I’m sure Ribka or WolfBait will be on here momentarily talking about conservationist wolves-in-sheeps clothing, or something like that. If I don’t reply, I’ve “disappeared” for the High Hunt.
CNW have been a partner with WDFW long before the lie of first wolf pack in 70 years, they just had a different name. Nothing has really changed with the Govs so called "new" direction.
Non lethal wolf controls have never worked, it only prolongs the slaughter of livestock, paying ranchers for livestock losses is only to appease them while wolves grow out of control, it's a band aid in place of wolf control. WDFW refuse to confirm predation by wolves unless forced to do so and then drag their feet implementing wolf control, and refuse to confirm known wolf packs etc..
The illegal wolf introduction has never been about the wolves, it has been about ruining ranching and hunting. With WA's 18 plus years of wolves, the governor, WDFW and their Fake environmental partners are fulfilling their agenda.
As far as backlash, well rural folks past that stage long ago..
The little write up is for people who don't know or those who don't care about what wolves have and are doing to Washington's "wildlife", ranchers, their livestock or rural WA.
It might be able to chit the fans but not the players.. But then you already knew that...
Post by: nwwanderer on September 16, 2020, 08:12:33 AM