Post by: callturner on October 19, 2020, 07:27:15 AM
Post by: BUTTER on October 19, 2020, 07:33:41 AM
Post by: Cougartail on October 19, 2020, 08:21:02 AM
In field conditions 400 yards is to far for 99% of hunters regardless of the white feather in their cap.. :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on October 19, 2020, 08:35:21 AM
Does the PRC shoot flatter, yes. Does the PRC hit harder with the same bullet, yes. Will ammo cost a fair bit more for the PRC and be less available, yes.
It's all about trade offs so nail down what the gun will mostly be used for and do your research between the two before you purchase either and you'll likely have a happier ending.
Also, you'll find there are a lot more rifles chambered in 6.5 CM than there are 6.5 PRC so the selection of rifles will be much greater for the CM.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 19, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: Stein on October 19, 2020, 09:07:22 AM
I'm going through a similar thought process for a new rifle next year. I have in mind how far I want to be able to shoot elk and deer as long as rules of thumb on energy and manufacturer's recommendations for minimum velocity for effective expansion. From there, I want something that can do what I want, but not much over.
The same rifle will be used for target shooting, but likely not matches except for maybe one here are there.
As you noted, when you go up, several negative things happen.
1. The round costs more due to powder and bullets, but also if you go to a less popular cartridge.
2. More recoil means it's harder to shoot well and less fun.
3. Shorter barrel life.
4. Possibly more difficulty finding stuff like brass, dies, comparators, reloading data etc, depending on what you are looking at.
That counteracts the positives:
1. The bullet will travel faster which increases your effective range as well as increasing the energy delivered at a given distance.
2. You have the option of shooting a heavier bullet in some cases.
3. Because it's going faster, at a given distance, the bullet will drop less and be less impacted by the wind. I don't like the term "flat shooting" because no bullet is flat shooting. Less drop and less windage, but you still need to address it but there is more room for error.
The difference in velocity is roughly the same as going from .308 to .300 win mag although not apples to apples as the 30 cal bullets are heavier obviously.
For me, it's mostly a simple question of which one will do what I want without extra recoil, powder, cost and headaches.
Post by: mountainman on October 21, 2020, 05:49:30 PM
Post by: kentrek on October 21, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Speed = accuracy
Creedmoor seems like a novelty because of its efficiency...but missing a target is never very efficient and that extra fps will help you hit more targets
Post by: Taco280AI on October 21, 2020, 06:58:43 PM
Speed = accuracy...
... that extra fps will help you hit more targets
How so?
The most accurate load from my rifle was one of the slowest tested, a 230fps difference from the fastest. Same bullet, different powders. I've seen 338s that weren't moving very fast with 300 grain bullets, but were one hole groups.
If speed meant accuracy wouldn't everyone just shoot a max load?
Post by: Stein on October 21, 2020, 07:00:59 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 21, 2020, 07:46:30 PM
Post by: kentrek on October 22, 2020, 05:27:55 PM
Speed = accuracy...
... that extra fps will help you hit more targets
How so?
The most accurate load from my rifle was one of the slowest tested, a 230fps difference from the fastest. Same bullet, different powders. I've seen 338s that weren't moving very fast with 300 grain bullets, but were one hole groups.
If speed meant accuracy wouldn't everyone just shoot a max load?
Your talking accuracy on a bench...I'm talking overall accuracy in the field...you with a slow but accurate load and you with a fast but still accurate load will always be better with the faster of the two in real world conditions given your shooting ability doesn't cave with the increase in recoil
Essentially in real world conditions your adding up errors in order to hit a target and the speed helps minimize the errors
Hope this helps