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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Igor on November 05, 2020, 02:43:03 PM
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I know I'll get flamed for this, but here goes anyway.
Our hunting camp in the Methow has had probably 20, or so, hunters in the same group for many years. A few have hunted the Methow......the entire Methow.......for 40+ years. One lives around Winthrop, and has for many years. We have hunted from the Mazama area, to Hart's Pass, to Cub Creek, up the Chewuck, to Thirty Mile Meadows, to Beaver Creek, to Benson Creek, to Black Canyon, to Black Pine Lake, to Newby Ridge, to Gardener Meadows, to Wolf Creek, and everywhere in between. I say this just to add a little perspective.
We were discussing the subject of huge Methow bucks in camp this season. Nobody in our camp has seen, nor heard stories of, a 500 lb. mule deer taken in the Methow Valley area. That's not to say it hasn't happened, but if it has it's virtually a secret.....which is highly unlikely.
The hunters in our group like to sit around the fire at night, telling stories and consuming a cocktail or two. We hear lots of stories, some true, some not.......but we have yet to hear any about 500 lb. mule deer. Lots of exaggerating going on, but not much else. A few of our members have been known to frequent Three-Fingered Jacks and the Antlers Saloon over the years during hunting season. As far as I know, there haven't any stories of 500-lb. mulies circulating in those establishments, either.
One oft-mentioned aspect of hunting late in the season is that there are "migration routes" which big mulies use to migrate. Migrate to where? If there are indeed "routes", then they must be a route to somewhere. They do not seem to be migrating down into the Methow. If they were, I'm fairly certain that long-time hunters there would be aware of them. Where do they go? Are there only 1 or 2 big bucks in the migration using this route? Are there really mule deer bucks of that caliber in the valley today? Interesting questions to ponder.
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:fire.: :fire.: :fire.:
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Such questions are a secret.
Especially if they are a family tradition.
We cannot help the family we are born into.......Unless..?
When it comes to marriage............Choose wisely.
Your hunting career success may depend on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Such questions are a secret.
Especially if they are a family tradition.
We cannot help the family we are born into.......Unless..?
When it comes to marriage............Choose wisely.
Your hunting career success may depend on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huh ??
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It is a well known fact around campfires in the Methow that a gallon bag, if it truly holds a gallon, will weigh about 8.3 pounds if it is completely filled with water. What is not as well known is that same bag, when filled with cubed meat from a deer killed in a secret spot handed down for generations, will weigh 12 pounds.
Though I've never seen one, I can only deduce by these undisputed facts that the meat from these secret spot deer is as dense and heavy as lead. So The prospect of a larger than normal deer that weighs in, on the hoof, at 500 pounds is entirely plausible. :dunno:
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I heard giant buck stories often back in the 70's when I hunted the Methow as a young man, 400lbs being the unbelievable weight being suggested in the stories I was told. 400lb being much more believable than the current 500lb stories of today. Inflation I guess.
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Let the old man tell his stories. There might be some weight and inches added but who cares. I love reading about the old days. He's going to stop posting on here if you guys don't just let it go.
I have caught a 50 pound salmon at sekiu about 15 years ago. I told the story on this site and got blasted by several members. I know for a fact how big it was cause I caught it for 1 and 2 I weighed it. After a while I just gave up with trying to defend myself. I too have never seen or heard of a deer that big but who knows??
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I have weighed my 1 gallon ziploc bags of burger. 7-8 lbs average packed pretty tight. 11-12lbs in a bag, not possible, lol.
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I have never personally seen a 400-500 lb mule dear after hunting the Methow for 30 years.
What I can tell you is back in the day, when we could hunt late into November, we use to camp at the winter meadow above Pearigyn with 6-8 family groups.
We would sit in camp and watch the migratory herd of hundreds come into the winter feed meadow at dark. They seemed to be bigger and darker than the resident bucks.
Of course none would be around come shooting light.
The was a substantial increase in the number of deer coming through.
Those numbers just don’t seem to be around in the two weeks of the general season now.
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Let the old man tell his stories. There might be some weight and inches added but who cares. I love reading about the old days. He's going to stop posting on here if you guys don't just let it go.
I have caught a 50 pound salmon at sekiu about 15 years ago. I told the story on this site and got blasted by several members. I know for a fact how big it was cause I caught it for 1 and 2 I weighed it. After a while I just gave up with trying to defend myself. I too have never seen or heard of a deer that big but who knows??
There is nothing wrong with "telling stories"......there are lots of them on this forum. However, when one tells a "story" that flies in the face of facts, there is nothing wrong with a resulting discussion. If I state adamantly on here that I saw a sasquatch in the woods while hunting, it is totally valid for members here to want details. Likewise, if someone tells about a deer that is at least 200 lbs. larger than any recorded deer in Washington state, discussion will follow. And, if this particular deer is just one of many taken in a top-secret location that only a few know about, you can bet your bottom dollar that there just might be a few skeptics.
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If I state adamantly on here that I saw a sasquatch in the woods while hunting, it is totally valid for members here to want details
Yea, like did you use chipmunks as bait :dunno:
Was he sufficiently blurry and walking backwards :dunno:
>:(
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How old are you guys, 11 ?
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How old are you guys, 11 ?
Who are you talking to ?
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How about next early archery season someone takes me into the Methow back country so I can shoot one of these big bucks. I am a believer
This isn’t a joke
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Igor I'm guessing he's talking to you and for good reason.
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How old are you guys, 11 ?
Who are you talking to ?
Probably me
Apparently he does not appreciate the Bigfoot thread reference :o
:dunno:
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Methow muleys bigger than spike bulls :rolleyes:
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
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I'll grab the popcorn... Who wants to bring the soda ?
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
Some people enjoy the discussion. If it's not for you, why do you care ? Are you the forum police ?
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
Some people enjoy the discussion. If it's not for you, why do you care ? Are you the forum police ?
There’s a big difference between having a discussion with somebody and having a discussion about somebody. When he went and deleted all of his posts about the deer that should have been the end of it, but you had to go and dredge it back up for what? To continue the ridicule? To continue insinuating that he’s a liar? Pathetic.
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
Some people enjoy the discussion. If it's not for you, why do you care ? Are you the forum police ?
There’s a big difference between having a discussion with somebody and having a discussion about somebody. When he went and deleted all of his posts about the deer that should have been the end of it, but you had to go and dredge it back up for what? To continue the ridicule? To continue insinuating that he’s a liar? Pathetic.
Agreed.
You've set this up to ridicule a man who knows more about Mule Deer than you will ever know.
That has to make you feel good.
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
Some people enjoy the discussion. If it's not for you, why do you care ? Are you the forum police ?
Damn straight... I'm the new sheriff in town now hands up
Maybe reread what I first said tomorrow after a good night's rest and feel free to have some whiskey to take the edge off.
Coronacation still in full effect.
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Some real snowflakes in this here blizzard.
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I clicked to see pictures..I feel cheated..this is BS
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Sad . Children :bash: :bash:
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Imagine getting this worked up over the internet?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not me.
I personally enjoy all the stories fact or fiction
Perceived fact or perceived fiction.
I'm not here to be the arbiter of truth.
Maybe some people need to log off for a while
If the shoe fits, buy every color pair
Some people enjoy the discussion. If it's not for you, why do you care ? Are you the forum police ?
There’s a big difference between having a discussion with somebody and having a discussion about somebody. When he went and deleted all of his posts about the deer that should have been the end of it, but you had to go and dredge it back up for what? To continue the ridicule? To continue insinuating that he’s a liar? Pathetic.
Agreed.
You've set this up to ridicule a man who knows more about Mule Deer than you will ever know.
That has to make you feel good.
Baloney !! Nothing was "set up" to make me, or anyone else, feel good. I, and many others here, have hunted the Methow for many years. To hear about extraordinarily large mule deer in the unit would pique the interest of anyone who hunts that unit. There are no "secret" honey holes in the Methow........believe me. The entire unit is virtually all public land, and there is nowhere you can hunt without running into other hunters. When a claim is made that there is a "migration route" of enormous bucks that nobody else is aware of, it is fair game for discussion.
We used to talk to a man who worked for an outfitter in the valley for many years. He packed hunters into areas that are accessible only by horse. He told us stories of very big deer taken every year. He knew every inch of the Methow, and was willing to share all he knew. There were never any tales of outsized bucks......big bucks, yes.........450-500 lb. monsters, no.
It's a hunting forum, and a deer hunting thread. Since some here have gotten their feelings hurt by me, I will cease and desist, and end the discussion. That doesn't mean that the questions will go away, just that those who actually care about deer hunting in the Methow will discuss it among themselves, so as not to hurt sensitive feelings.
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Who here thinks they have seen more deer in the Methow Valley than me?
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Your Dad
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Of course,in his day, there might be more deer on his haystack than there are in the whole upper Methow these days. :chuckle:
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Bigmacc :dunno:
Just curious where this is going.
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Here is a quote from me in 2012. I was in the same spot yesterday and relived the whole scenario in my head. It was funny stumbling on to the quote on here as at least the story matched up.
Do you know how many thousands of deer I have looked over probably since 2012. Still the biggest.
He was a beast! Do any of you want to call me a liar. I don’t have a photo of it.
The biggest (body) deer was one I saw just before dark one rainy day. Idabooner and I were headed home at a pretty good pace though we were still on dirt. I caught a deer out of the corner of my eye down over the hill in a small clearing. I KNEW instantly it was a giant buck. I backed up and there stood what looked like a hereford bull. BIG OLE buck, 32 ish probably, but what stands out in my mind was his size. I tried and tried to get a pic but it wasn;t working. First day with a new lens and it was too slow, too dark. I ahd a canon AE-1 and a 600mm mirrored lens. Did not hand hold at all. I set up the tripod and he was gone. I WISH I would have just stared at him throuhg my binos. I got my old smaller lens and went after him. I bumped a subordinate buck that was a big non typ 8x8 or something like that. Never did catch them on film. It was just too dark. At that moment in time I knew I needed to invest in some camera equipment.
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Bigmacc :dunno:
Just curious where this is going.
Basically the direction you are taking it. You two have listed two gentleman that I’d hang on every word of what they had to say. They don’t have to prove a damn thing.
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It's obvious to see who walks the walk and who talks the talk on this forum.
Some get it done and some try to appear like they do.
You young bucks are a joke.
C'mon man.
It's all a bunch of malarkey.
Post up your big bucks or shut up.
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doing a little digging, there have been recorded dressed mule deer of 430's with an estimated 500+ on the hoof so yea, its possible to have them running around.. i have run across whitetails down east in Maine field dressed over 325. i can recall one hanging from hind legs and trying to "hug" around its chest against its back and could not touch finger tips, big barrel chested....
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Who here thinks they have seen more deer in the Methow Valley than me?
And to answer my own question... MntMuley Is probably the only one in the ballpark, and another gentleman that I trust when he tells me something. I don’t think he quite ranks old timer status yet, but Like my father, is not prone to exaggeration, and I listen to every word he says.
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I have never personally seen a 400-500 lb mule dear after hunting the Methow for 30 years.
What I can tell you is back in the day, when we could hunt late into November, we use to camp at the winter meadow above Pearigyn with 6-8 family groups.
We would sit in camp and watch the migratory herd of hundreds come into the winter feed meadow at dark. They seemed to be bigger and darker than the resident bucks.
Of course none would be around come shooting light.
The was a substantial increase in the number of deer coming through.
Those numbers just don’t seem to be around in the two weeks of the general season now.
Thats seems to be the one common trait with the big Methow bucks. They are really dark, in color. As a kid listening to stories, from the old timer residents in the Valley. They claimed they could tell the migrant bucks out of B.C. by the color. Their term was not dark, it was black. Black as coal, some would claim. I miss those people, those stories. They could take you back to a time, before cars. If the story is true, a time when there were some many Ruffed grouse in the creek bottoms, the boys hunted them with sligshots and feed them to the hogs.
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Googled 500lb deer.
This is what came up.
https://images.app.goo.gl/T4BSzoPb6LqhW5GU9
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If there was a 500 lb deer from the Methow Valley shot news would circulate in a heart beat. Hopefully someone has a pic, which if they shot a deer that big they would. If not I have hopefully another 40 years or so to monitor this site for old pics that pop up or new pics that service. But first let’s get a pic of a 400 lb deer which is more probable then 500 lbs. I’m also not calling anyone a liar. A deer that big would be extraordinary. I’d love to see it, it would be an incredible specimen.
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I believe the argument stems from a deer that was guessed at 420 to 450, scale weight was 388, no guts, no legs and half hide gone. He posted a pic.
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If i shot a record book or any animal for that matter and didn't want word of it to spread no one would know if it. My circle of friends is tight lipped and I butcher my own animals so no meat locker rumors would start. Not everyone posts their success pic's on social media.
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If I shoot a buck of that caliber this is the last place I would post. So tiered of this BS. You guys have chased off one of the people that could have helped you in the future. your loss. Bigmac I believe. Been hunting the Methow since 1977. Cant say I have seen that big buck but I believe
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Bingo.
It's laughable the flat brimming pups cant keep a secret.
Look what I can do everybody!!!!
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Some of the bucks I saw come out ( early to mid 70's) of War Creek Pass, Rendezvous Pass, Early Winters, etc., would have some guys thinking they were not real had there been pics. Flat out incredible animals were not uncommon.
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Would 392 muley on the hoof be considered big?
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YES! Jumbo
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I'll try to find the pics.
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Man, you guys have got me wanting to hunt east next year.
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Bingo.
It's laughable the flat brimming pups cant keep a secret.
Look what I can do everybody!!!!
exactly, and if they haven't seen it or done it, it can't be done. threads like this one keep me from posting more as well. I have a hell of a pile of stuff, but i realized a few years ago this was not the place to share or i would soon be dealing with the keyboard cowboys.
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Bingo.
It's laughable the flat brimming pups cant keep a secret.
Look what I can do everybody!!!!
exactly, and if they haven't seen it or done it, it can't be done. threads like this one keep me from posting more as well. I have a hell of a pile of stuff, but i realized a few years ago this was not the place to share or i would soon be dealing with the keyboard cowboys.
Totally get it and I know how you feel. It is really to bad. This has been an awesome place for a lot of years, I have been lurking since the beginning but there are times it just gets crazy. Not usually during hunting season but clearly this year has been the exception to many things. Fortunately there are still some great people on here and we come together for some great causes.
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I will chime in one more time.
The reason I opened this thread was to, hopefully, start a discussion about big Methow mulies. It was not meant to disparage anyone. It was certainly prompted by a claim of a deer taken this season in the Methow:
"I just got back, I was fortunate enough to have killed a big 4 by 5, 388 lbs and thats not counting the pile of guts, got close to 250lbs of meat..."
That prompted a flurry of discussion. It was pointed out in that thread, not by me, that the formula for how much meat is yielded from a deer is around 40% of the live weight. 250 lbs. of meat would make that deer weigh over 550 lbs. on the hoof. Discussion rightfully ensued.
It's not me that needs to grow up......it is the posters here who cannot get into a discussion without calling people names. A claim like the one made about this deer is fair game for discussion. People will come down on all sides of the discussion, but it should remain civil.
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Don't have a dog in this race (though I do live in the Methow), but wanted to throw in a recent reference point. My wife's Shiras bull from last year produced approximately 450lbs of boned-out, processed meat. For whatever that is worth...
RW
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I have killed and processed on my own, well over 100 big game animals, more than half of them mule deer. And, probably aided in the butchering of probably close to 500 (7 different states). I personally have killed all sizes from pronghorn to moose and many in between. I know exactly how much meat comes off of wild, big game. 40% is a good number when you compare boned out meat to live weight (or dead with guts in most cases). 45% is achievable for some animals (larger in particular) when you have no shot waste and you take some of the guts (I take the heart when still in one piece). My cow moose a few years back yielded exactly 325 lbs of boned, vacuum sealed meat. All weighed very precisely. I had no way of knowing the exact live weight but the bio said she was about 750 (she was collared and well known as a nuisance animal, including her weight). That is a bit over 43% but she had almost no wasted shot meat and I did take a VERY large heart. I tend to scrounge meat off a carcass more than most too. My buddy's bull in '97 was very similar, yielding a bit over 400 if I remember correctly.
This is all based on my own, personal experience. I'm not doubting or telling anybody they are exaggerating as I was not there. However, seeing some numbers on here would suggest 650-700 lb mule deer. Possible? I don't know.
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I have never personally seen a 400-500 lb mule dear after hunting the Methow for 30 years.
What I can tell you is back in the day, when we could hunt late into November, we use to camp at the winter meadow above Pearigyn with 6-8 family groups.
We would sit in camp and watch the migratory herd of hundreds come into the winter feed meadow at dark. They seemed to be bigger and darker than the resident bucks.
Of course none would be around come shooting light.
The was a substantial increase in the number of deer coming through.
Those numbers just don’t seem to be around in the two weeks of the general season now.
Thats seems to be the one common trait with the big Methow bucks. They are really dark, in color. As a kid listening to stories, from the old timer residents in the Valley. They claimed they could tell the migrant bucks out of B.C. by the color. Their term was not dark, it was black. Black as coal, some would claim. I miss those people, those stories. They could take you back to a time, before cars. If the story is true, a time when there were some many Ruffed grouse in the creek bottoms, the boys hunted them with sligshots and feed them to the hogs.
Maybe not my biggest, but Definetly the darkest! Early 70's Methow valley
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Cool pic! it almost appears as if you're standing there. Of course, that would mean either your rifle is about 6' long and your buck is one of those 500 pounders, or you're 3'10" tall. :chuckle:
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1 He is kneeling on the snow. 2 It's a semi sporterized Krag. Gonna guess a 30-40. 3 Its not long armed. Look closer before you start spouting.
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Tall rack
Love those old pictures
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Look at that gun. I love pics like this. That’s the Methow I want to remember. Pre California, pre burn.
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1 He is kneeling on the snow. 2 It's a semi sporterized Krag. Gonna guess a 30-40. 3 Its not long armed. Look closer before you start spouting.
Lighten up Francis! It was a joke.
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Bone i have quite a few of my grandfather like this only its a model 99 300 savage. let me know and i will send them to you.
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Don't call me Francis! I'll kill you! All good. Just got tired of where this was going i guess. My apalogy Link.
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:tup:
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Bone i have quite a few of my grandfather like this only its a model 99 300 savage. let me know and i will send them to you.
Oh heck ya. Massivemuleys@aol.com
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That's a cool buck and it is quite dark like people are saying. I initially thought that gun was a sporterized mosin nagant. Thanks for sharing
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OutHouse you might be right. I might have not looked close enough.
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Short guys are by far the best hunters.
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I have never personally seen a 400-500 lb mule dear after hunting the Methow for 30 years.
What I can tell you is back in the day, when we could hunt late into November, we use to camp at the winter meadow above Pearigyn with 6-8 family groups.
We would sit in camp and watch the migratory herd of hundreds come into the winter feed meadow at dark. They seemed to be bigger and darker than the resident bucks.
Of course none would be around come shooting light.
The was a substantial increase in the number of deer coming through.
Those numbers just don’t seem to be around in the two weeks of the general season now.
Thats seems to be the one common trait with the big Methow bucks. They are really dark, in color. As a kid listening to stories, from the old timer residents in the Valley. They claimed they could tell the migrant bucks out of B.C. by the color. Their term was not dark, it was black. Black as coal, some would claim. I miss those people, those stories. They could take you back to a time, before cars. If the story is true, a time when there were some many Ruffed grouse in the creek bottoms, the boys hunted them with sligshots and feed them to the hogs.
Maybe not my biggest, but Definetly the darkest! Early 70's Methow valley
Thank you for posting that incredible pic.
Love seeing pics from the early years in the Methow!
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For the record, saying "I'll kill you" is a micro aggression, and is unacceptable. And... Unless someone can show me a certified scale with a deer weighing in at 300+ gutted out from Washington. I'm gonna say it's never happened before. I don't care how many deer you have seen or butchered or wrestled to the ground and knifed or whatever. Nobodies ever seen a 500+# deer in Washington State. Never.... Ever.... That huge whitetail killed on a farm in Michigan only weighed 420 live on the hoof. And it was enormous!
Definitely a fisherman talking.
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For the record, saying "I'll kill you" is a micro aggression, and is unacceptable. And... Unless someone can show me a certified scale with a deer weighing in at 300+ gutted out from Washington. I'm gonna say it's never happened before. I don't care how many deer you have seen or butchered or wrestled to the ground and knifed or whatever. Nobodies ever seen a 500+# deer in Washington State. Never.... Ever.... That huge whitetail killed on a farm in Michigan only weighed 420 live on the hoof. And it was enormous!
Definitely a fisherman talking.
Prepare for incoming...................
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For the record, saying "I'll kill you" is a micro aggression, and is unacceptable. And... Unless someone can show me a certified scale with a deer weighing in at 300+ gutted out from Washington. I'm gonna say it's never happened before. I don't care how many deer you have seen or butchered or wrestled to the ground and knifed or whatever. Nobodies ever seen a 500+# deer in Washington State. Never.... Ever.... That huge whitetail killed on a farm in Michigan only weighed 420 live on the hoof. And it was enormous!
Definitely a fisherman talking.
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you didnt get the Stripes reference we were throwing at each other KID!
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That's a cool buck and it is quite dark like people are saying. I initially thought that gun was a sporterized mosin nagant. Thanks for sharing
Yep, stock cut back on a nagant. It killed lota of deer/bear in the upper Methow growing up. I was 7th or 8th grade in pic and yes, on one knee👍
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Short guys are by far the best hunters.
I knew I was destined for greatness.
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I don't know about any 500 pounders but I saw a buck walk across a solid rock trail and left tracks two inches deep in solid granite. Of course that was " back in the day"
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1 He is kneeling on the snow. 2 It's a semi sporterized Krag. Gonna guess a 30-40. 3 Its not long armed. Look closer before you start spouting.
thats not a krag. Irony.....
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My Dad told a story of a buck his good friend had shot north of Winthrop, it took them 2 days to get it out to a road,(East Chewuch Rd.) this was early 1950's. They loaded it up and came to a Dept of WILDLIFE check station, the officers asked if they could take out the the rig and weigh it, Dad said,,"oh ya go ahead" Dad said they just stood back and watched the officers struggle to get it weighed. All said and done it weighed 346 lbs. Would have loved to see pic's of it but don't know of any.
One season,, when I was young the temps were warm so I took my deer down to the cooling locker in downtown Twisp, it was skinned, all the fat cut off etc. It weighed 183 pounds and I was pretty proud, well they hung it along side a buck that had the head cut off, it was hooked half a foot higher than mine and the neck minus the head was dragging the floor, it was skinned too, it was huge, had to be at least 100 more pounds!
So, 500 pounds,,,,
What a BUCK that would be!
John G.
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Man some people are easily offended.. what gets me is not that one guy exaggerates and says he got 250# of boned meat off a Mule deer. It’s the people who are soo experienced that come to back him up. And They get upset when someone says “hey wait... there are 600#+ mule deer out there”? Can’t we just all agree bigmacc was incorrect.. guesses, and stories aren’t worth much.. If there’s anything we should all be able to agree on these days is that deer are not as big as elk :chuckle:
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Man some people are easily offended.. what gets me is not that one guy exaggerates and says he got 250# of boned meat off a Mule deer. It’s the people who are soo experienced that come to back him up. And They get upset when someone says “hey wait... there are 600#+ mule deer out there”? Can’t we just all agree bigmacc was incorrect.. guesses, and stories aren’t worth much.. If there’s anything we should all be able to agree on these days is that deer are not as big as elk :chuckle:
I disagree with you. A big mule deer is as big as a small elk. :chuckle: Sorry, cant help myself sometimes :sry:
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I suggest an organized protest.
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Man some people are easily offended.. what gets me is not that one guy exaggerates and says he got 250# of boned meat off a Mule deer. It’s the people who are soo experienced that come to back him up. And They get upset when someone says “hey wait... there are 600#+ mule deer out there”? Can’t we just all agree bigmacc was incorrect.. guesses, and stories aren’t worth much.. If there’s anything we should all be able to agree on these days is that deer are not as big as elk :chuckle:
8)
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Perhaps a march on the woods.
Protest where the deer see you.
How dare they get that big.
Buck privilege.
Bucks
Lives
Matter
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I will chime in one more time.
The reason I opened this thread was to, hopefully, start a discussion about big Methow mulies. It was not meant to disparage anyone. It was certainly prompted by a claim of a deer taken this season in the Methow:
"I just got back, I was fortunate enough to have killed a big 4 by 5, 388 lbs and thats not counting the pile of guts, got close to 250lbs of meat..."
That prompted a flurry of discussion. It was pointed out in that thread, not by me, that the formula for how much meat is yielded from a deer is around 40% of the live weight. 250 lbs. of meat would make that deer weigh over 550 lbs. on the hoof. Discussion rightfully ensued.
It's not me that needs to grow up......it is the posters here who cannot get into a discussion without calling people names. A claim like the one made about this deer is fair game for discussion. People will come down on all sides of the discussion, but it should remain civil.
Agreed. And there is a protected group of people on this forum that you aren't allowed to disagree with. It gets old.
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Keep up with the pictures and stories
Don’t let the turds ruin this forum
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"I saw Bigfoot once....Sequoia National Forest, 1951! It made a sound that I would not want to hear twice in my life." :chuckle:
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I just want macc to repost the pic since I didn't get to see it. I've seen some huge body deer and just last year off the flowery trail I saw a cow moose that probably weighed 1500#, not even joking, don't believe me, oh well. My older brother shot a buck up off Ruby Creek North of the training center that was a hundred in human yrs and had only about 10 teeth left. It weighed so much we had to make a pole to hang it and pack it out with three people. It had an old Roman nose and huge feet. Never weighed it so I can't say what it weighed but my brother is one of the strongest men you will ever see. Not even exaggerating. He can curl 300# and it still took three of us to carry that gutted deer! So maybe it was 400#? Doesn't really matter. Shouldn't the success of just getting the deer be the merits, not the size?
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just last year off the flowery trail I saw a cow moose that probably weighed 1500#, not even joking,
No.
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I just want macc to repost the pic since I didn't get to see it. I've seen some huge body deer and just last year off the flowery trail I saw a cow moose that probably weighed 1500#, not even joking, don't believe me, oh well. My older brother shot a buck up off Ruby Creek North of the training center that was a hundred in human yrs and had only about 10 teeth left. It weighed so much we had to make a pole to hang it and pack it out with three people. It had an old Roman nose and huge feet. Never weighed it so I can't say what it weighed but my brother is one of the strongest men you will ever see. Not even exaggerating. He can curl 300# and it still took three of us to carry that gutted deer! So maybe it was 400#? Doesn't really matter. Shouldn't the success of just getting the deer be the merits, not the size?
:chuckle: Exactly. Same thing
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Look at these two old paddled elephant's! What do you guys think they weighed?
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Shot me a black baar once way back in 06 i think it was naw naw naw 15 yaasss that's when it was. Anyways back in 1865 I shot me here this big old Grizz I means Black baaar. Purity near weighed in at 3000 lbs maaan whooee he was a bigg un thar he was. Big and black as coal he was big a black I say...
Anyways me and this big Grizz, uh er black I mean he was a starring right at me, just a beggin me to shoot. We'll After Ida got back up me gumption I did just that i shot him righh there betwixt the eyes ya see right betwixt the eyes. He dropped so hard my teeths fell out right then and thar..
Well I takes me out my gutten and skinnin knife and begin to gut out this here Grizz er I mean big black... and he up and slapped me with his paw. You see that thar barr was not dead yet so I stuck him in the heart then he expaired right then and there. Well I finally get this big black guted and I then thar notice I have to yet drag this here big critter out so, what do I do? I walks all the way back to camp three days and night back to camp to git me my Uncle to come help me.
Wooo wee that thar is a drag out I never want to repeat. But we had grease and meat for nye onto 6 months I tells ya...
LOl
but not making fun just got into story tellin session to see if I could match up.
Now yeah maybe I guess but from what I know most mule deer would only weigh in at about 250 lb to maybe 300lbs on the hoof and that would be some pretty big deer.
I was reading though the other night about some deer in the North woods... As in Maine or Canada they get pretty big I guess so...?