Post by: dustysags on November 12, 2020, 07:36:43 AM
Post by: JBar on November 12, 2020, 07:49:52 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on November 12, 2020, 06:23:56 PM
No transfer required it's not considered a firearm.
Correct!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 12, 2020, 06:30:44 PM
Such as the remington 700.
Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2020, 07:07:56 PM
Depends on WHAT muzzleloader you are buying. SOME are considered firearms and require a ffl and 4473 transfer.
Such as the remington 700.
I never knew this, but I believe you.
Now do you know which ones require an ffl xfer?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 12, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
I think a few of the break action types also require ffl.Depends on WHAT muzzleloader you are buying. SOME are considered firearms and require a ffl and 4473 transfer.
Such as the remington 700.
I never knew this, but I believe you.
Now do you know which ones require an ffl xfer?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 12, 2020, 07:27:51 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 12, 2020, 07:47:53 PM
Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
That makes sense.
Post by: TooTallMike on November 12, 2020, 10:06:03 PM
Post by: Goshawk on November 25, 2020, 10:02:50 PM
No transfer required it's not considered a firearm.
Well, sort of...
If the person you're transferring the weapon to has any provision that does not allow them to have possession of a firearm, then you're both in trouble should you get caught. Even a muzzle loader is a firearm when applied to them. A partial list of ownership limiting issues:
State law forbids many individuals from possessing firearms including:
Those previously convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity of any felony.
Those previously convicted any of the following offenses if it was committed upon a family or household member (domestic violence).
Assault in the 4th Degree
Coercion, Stalking or Reckless Endangerment
Criminal Trespass in the 1st Degree
Violation of a No Contact Order or Restraining Order.
Currently under a domestic restraining order
Having been previously involuntarily committed for mental health treatment.
Pending trial, appeal or sentencing for any serious offense as defined by RCW 9.41.045
Federal law also prohibits firearm possession by any individual who:
Is under indictment in any court for a crime punishable by imprisonment of a term exceeding one year. (Arrested but not yet convicted).
Anyone convicted of a crime punishable by a prison term of at least one year.
A fugitive from justice.
An unlawful use of or addicted to any controlled substance including marijuana, medicinal or legalized by your state.
Anyone adjudicated as mentally defective or has been committed to any mental institution.
An illegal alien.
Anyone discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions.
Anyone who has renounced their United States Citizenship.
Anyone subject to a court order restraining the person form harassing, stalking or threatening an intimate partner, or child of the intimate partner.
Anyone convicted of a misdemeanor domestic violence offense.
Post by: callturner on November 26, 2020, 05:01:11 AM
Post by: Jingles on November 26, 2020, 05:17:44 AM
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2020, 08:40:42 AM
Post by: kselkhunter on November 26, 2020, 10:02:45 AM
Most of the online retailers like muzzle-loaders.com will still ship the other muzzleloader brands and models to your door still in WA state.
The recent law that expanded the legal definition of "firearm" in WA state law to be wider than the federal definition is the confusing topic. Especially since in that same document they define a "rifle" as using a fixed metallic cartridge (ie not a muzzleloader). And the definition of an antique firearm (exempted) is basically a muzzleloader, except the geniuses specified it had to be built prior to 1898...... And WA state has different purchase requirements on pistols vs. semiauto assault rifles vs. rifles, further confusing the topic. The new state law considers a muzzleloader rifle a "firearm" based on the widened definition of "firearm", but a muzzleloader rifle does not meet the legal definition of a "rifle" under the same law.
ATF produces a concise read of WA state's (and counties) specific gun laws: https://www.atf.gov/file/117401/download
By the wording of the new state law, a muzzleloader is a "firearm" and thus subject to the background check rules on gun transfers. Except, again you can still get muzzleloaders delivered to your front door without an FFL as those companies don't view WA state's poorly written law as impacting muzzleloaders.....so person-to-person muzzleloader rifle transfers is a bit of a gray area in the poorly written law.....
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2020, 10:12:14 AM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010 (https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010)
"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder. "Firearm" does not include a flare gun or other pyrotechnic visual distress signaling device, or a powder-actuated tool or other device designed
Post by: Goshawk on November 27, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Post by: callturner on November 27, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
Post by: JakeLand on November 27, 2020, 06:18:34 PM
Jiminy Christmas guys, I walked into a gun store the other day and bought a muzzle loader and walked out like it was a pair of shoes. No paper work involved!!! :chuckle::tup:
Post by: redi on November 27, 2020, 06:35:17 PM