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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: dbllunger on November 04, 2007, 11:50:33 PM
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Any info on what has been killed. Will hunt the last 10 days but have not been up there yet.
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Seen a camp with a spike and a decent 20" 4 point hanging... They got them on friday I believe... Had a group of 5 hunters and a father/son had tagged out on the two deer. They said everything they've seen has been up high, however I've seen most of my deer in between the really high stuff of Mud and Potato and the lower stuff of Crum/Steliko/Oklahoma Gulch... VERY little tracks up Oklahoma...
Michael
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A spike? >:( You have got to be kidding me. :bash: What were they thinking????????
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Yep... that's what I said... Slider can back that one up too! It's okay by me though! Too many young bucks as it is! Pretty funny though for all their hunting and that 4 point was the biggest they'd seen, went up that evening and a couple miles from their camp I spotted a buck that was a LOT bigger... hehe Getting excited for Wednesday!
Michael
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Maybe the kid took the spike. Could be his first deer. :dunno: Always kinda neat for father and son to both come home with deer. Dunno....just guessin'.
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Yeah the kid was the one who shot the spike... other than that I don't know!
Michael
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I'm not knocking that a kid killed a spike for his first buck, I'm just saying on a tag like that to shoot a spike on teh first day, whether its your first buck or not, isn't the best use of that tag. Just my 2 cents.
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I doubt anybody will dissagree with you there! However it's perfectly fine with me if he doesn't shoot a monster! We need all the breeding bucks we can get...
Michael
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:bash: :bash: :bash: LOL
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Id take a belt to that kids ass
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Come on now, lighten up!!! I'm sure you were all trophy killers when you were 10 years old too. :(
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He looked to me to be atleast 15 or 16... lol
Michael
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I wasn't a trophy hunter that young but a guy could at least hunt a few days, see lots of deer and then take one he likes, not take the first buck he saw, especially on that tag, maybe there should be a youth hunt for 2 point or less bucks.
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I am TOTALLY 100% for people to shoot small bucks/bulls or even does on LE tags. It appears to make it harder for serious trophy hunters to draw a tag but I think it actually helps. If only large mature bucks were being killed the number of tags would need to be reduced to maintain a quality herd. I would prefer the state institute a "mentor" type program for youth to go out and shoot all the messed up two points or inferior bucks. It could and would easily be implemented but that would actually require the WDFW to manage the game instead of monitor it. Oops off topic, but I hope more LE tag holders shoot dinks. Two more days!!!!!!!!! Heck, my brother ate his tag four years ago because he did not see a "shooter". The last couple days we were going for him (I killed a 174" already) to get a shooter, a white tail (saw him numerous times in the same area but never saw him the last two days), or a mature 3 pnt. Needless to say none of the deer he wanted to kill were seen so we let 4/20"ish 4 points a day grow up.
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I dont see any problem with shooting a small buck like this..My girlfriend puts in with me for one of these tags and would be totally happy killing a small buck. She doesnt like the crowds but loves the country we hunt..So in his eyes it met the standards...Good on him....Just my 2 cents....
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When i was 16 if i saw a spike i would have shot it... But when i was 16 there wasn't 5000 people puting in for these hunts.
If i drew that tag with my son i would let him decide what kind of trophy he wanted to shoot. Then he could kick his own ass when he got older for shooting that spike or fork...
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crowd?????Heck the last year i drew entiat archery tag it was more crowded then i ever saw it when it was open for the general hunt.It seemed like a rig was driving by camp every 20min.....
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Like I said, I'm totally cool with him shooting it... would you guys rather him shoot a 3 1/2 year old 3 point that will grow up to be a monster or a spike? Heck he got some meat and there's one more big buck up there for the trophy hunters...
Michael
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As much as we all would like this to be a trophy hunt it dosen't work that way.. the same guy with this tag that kill 2 points every year is looking at this tag as an extension of the season.
For me this is the opportunity of a lifetime. Won't be shooting anything small.
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Chuck how you doin man? Went up today again and saw some decent bucks... a few I think ur son would be happy shooting, especially if he's down with a 26" two point with eyeguards! haha jk
I'll be up there again in the morning so if you want, give me a call on my cell when you hit town... BTW, that camp was still open today...
Michael
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Do you have a tag Michael J?
Personally, if it were my kid...I would of used it as an opportunity to teach him about hunting, not necessarily trophy hunting, but definitely would of DISCOURAGED him to not shoot that buck and see what's possible. It was not an issue of whether or not he was going to kill a deer...it was when and how big. I would like to see the kid enjoy the hunt and learn about patience...maybe some perserverance. If he's going to kill a spike with that tag...take him to Spokane and shoot a whitetail. I think most people have had experiences where their best hunts were not necessarily kill hunts.
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Id take a belt to that kids ass
One liners are always the funniest, couldn't stop laughing about this one!
Had the tag in 2003, saw one buck over 190"...too far to shoot :bash:, killed the second biggest buck I saw 165". Had a great hunt. Had 3 more days to hunt and it poured rain and fog....had some good karma I guess.
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It is too easy for everyone to sit back and arm chair QB these special hunts. When it comes down to the final say, it is up to the individual. For people to come on here second guess other hunters decisions is weak. You will get drawn in time and then you can back up your BS.
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It is just different for everyone. And, it changes as your "career" goes on. Personally, I am Trophy hunting with my LE Chiwawa tag but I don't mind what anyone else wants to do with there tag as long as they enjoy the hunt and behave in good character while they are out there. Wish us luck, my group has 4 LE tags this year. One Chiwawa, 2 Entiat, and one LT murry. Looks like it is going to start snowing up high. Ya-whoooo! Lets have some fun.....
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crazy stuff, i knew a guy back a few years ago, when the permit numbers were like 15 or 20 i think, in the entiat and him and his dad on the first day shot little forky horns standing off the side of the road. they were the two happiest people but, man, i sure couldnt have been happy.
And having had a late tag, and my dad having a late tag, and also the wa raffle tag. WE have experience all the ups and downs, and the backing up of the BS. Its a crazy place to be in. you all your buddies and people giving you *censored* before the hunt and during it, so you put all this pressure on your self, maybe or maybe not. And then there is also the people that talk a lot of BS about how good they are, and all this crap and then cant back it up. All i know is with our 3 LE tags, we have taken a bucks that offically score 188, 190 and 204 1/2 inches.
But you have to go in saying a big one or nothing. Or am i going to shoot something that i like that might not be the biggest, or the highest scoring. its all up to the hunter, that kid probably should have held off, or been maybe told to hold off but then again, he probably was sooooo excited that, that is all that matters, he got himself a buck and he is happy.
So just dont overdo it, stress your self out. Its an amazing thing to have one of these in your pockets. and just enjoy it, because you are going to have to wait a few years to experience it again!!
Good luck guys, have fun be safe.
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Four more hours then we can finally go. Set up camp today and saw one semi-decent md wt 26"wx18t 4pt. His fronts were smoking with probably a 10"+ deep fork, but his backs were shorter and crab claw. Not a shooter but nice to look at. I would guess 3.5 maybe 4.5 years old will be a shooter next year if his backs come close to his fronts. Better go toss and turn for a few hours.
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We're outa here :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
:)
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FYI-
I've had a late tag, I know how great an experience it was compared to most hunts in this state, I know the potential, even if a guy wasnt a trophy hunter, if it was my kid who drew the tag I would encourage him to hold out a little, just to experience a great hunt with very little other pressure for a few days, not necessarily to shoot the biggest buck out there. any first buck is going to be a treasured trophy in anyones book.
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Good luck.
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After seeing what I've seen the last couple days, I'm ecstatic that Dad tagged what he did, even if it was early. None bigger so far in the unit. One close. Another guy tagged out on a much smaller deer yesterday and he was happy. He drove right by a nice one though. :chuckle:
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I think we all just need some more pics of deer period. We need some of these late bucks to start showin' up and the guys going to MT. to hurry up and get over there and put some pics up. ;)
BTW.....maybe the kid couldn't get outta school and the Dad couldn't miss work, and they only had the first weekend to hunt and he really wanted his son to get his first buck. And maybe.....or maybe....who cares really?? Geees! ;)
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I think we all just need some more pics of deer period. We need some of these late bucks to start showin' up and the guys going to MT. to hurry up and get over there and put some pics up. ;)
BTW.....maybe the kid couldn't get outta school and the Dad couldn't miss work, and they only had the first weekend to hunt and he really wanted his son to get his first buck. And maybe.....or maybe....who cares really?? Geees! ;)
well said! on both points!!!!
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Nothing wrong with either of those, well done........................rf
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Those are both real nice bucks!!
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Here is a photo of a Chelan County Mod A Tag buck my friend took who my Dad was guiding. He taped over 30". Dad new he wouldn't score well, but like he told the young man who had the tag and never shot a buck like this, when asking if he should take him? If you don't punch your tag this year waiting for record, How many friends will believe you let a 30" buck walk away in Washington State. Bang!
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Nice buck! I would have dropped him without a second thought. Wouldn't even of questioned it. I'm sure others might have waited but I'm a little less patient than most when it comes to that. Something I need to work on if I'm ever going to get a top class buck.
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Great looking buck. I would have taken him high score or not.
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Nice Washington buck!!!! He has short tines but long mains, will probably still score in the 160 range, well done................rf
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I would of dropped it.Without a doubt.......
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Well I got my 'guy' tagged out this morning! Saw a TON of bucks and this was the biggest we'd seen and the 5th 4 point of the morning... Too great of forks and height to let pass... especially since the guy has only shot blacktails before and this was his first muley hunt... I'm totally psyched! The pics don't do him justice, I'll get the ones off my phone later that really show what he's got...
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I'm guessing a 4 1/2 year old deer... would've been an AWESOME deer imho the next year or after, but he just couldn't let him walk, and I didn't tell him to hold off... Will be back up there later to help some other people I know out...
Michael
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awesome deer, look at the neck on that thing!! congrats on a great first mulie....Justin
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Good looking buck, especially for a first muley.
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Nice first Muley!!! He looks Happy!!!
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Thanks guys... We were seeing around 60 deer and 10-15 bucks a day up there... lots of young deer. They are rutting HARD as of yesterday and today... not very good weather but the bucks are chasing does most the time. Just needs the big boys to come down out of the high country...
Michael
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Great looking deer!
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not a bad first buck, he looks happy and thats all that matters. I was up there the last couple days, there is a few deer around but its really really slow IMHO. Mostly local bucks or young migrators. saw a couple nice bucks, but were passed on. 22 inch tall 4x3 and a nice heavy 3x3 but no width. Oh and a 28 plus inch 2x2!!!! to far away for pics. But hopefully there is some weather soon or there wont be anything to big shot this year in some of the lower units. Good luck guys!!
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Didn't you post pictures of a big wide 2X2 last year that you seen during your hunt? Is it the same buck?
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Awesome job for you and your hunter. That guiding is tough business huh? I'm glad he notched his tag on a great looking deer. If you care for my professional opinion, I'd say 3.5. I'm betting that there aren't as many bigger deer out as most people think, even in the infamous chelan country. Very much so without the weather. Again great job, and thanks for the pics. You've had a fun filled fall.
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Thanks bone! Here's a few more pics that show off the buck better... What would you guys guess for a score?
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Michael
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Michael you're right that first pic didn't do it justice. Nice buck. I am no pro when it comes to scoring but I would guess 168-172 gross. Just thowing it out there. Congrats to you and the hunter.
WACAT
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Thanks cat... I was thinking/hoping he'd break 160" cause that's what I told the guy he would have a shot at harvesting if not bigger... anyways it was by far his biggest deer to date and he was extremely pleased with the hunt/guiding... So that makes me happy aswell!
Michael
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I keep looking at the pics and it is kinda hard to judge, I think that I might have been a little high on the score, but really if he is happy thats all that matters.
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I think your close Michael. Here's one I found this mourning.
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Looks like two different bucks. :) I bet about 145-150
Gorgeous buck Slider. Big 3?
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I am with bone on this one, the last couple pics make it look really big, but then go back and look at the field photos, and i think you said its only around 20 wide. so i would say gross around 150 Pretty color on him also.
Ridge- im not sure if i posted that big 2x2 on this site..i cant remember. the one i saw yesterday wasnt as tall or heavy. It was a young deer. The one last winter had more mass and height. I will have to re post some pics when i get back from montana.
Slide- love that picture, nice heavy looking buck. any more pics???
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Congratulations Michael! I'll bet your hunter was a happy camper? Good job!
Mike
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Michael, looks like your becoming quite the guide, well when you were with me earlier this spring you had the bucks practically jumping into my truck, actually my front fender and the side of my door!lol Congrats to the hunter on the buck. Looks to be around 150-155 is my guess.
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Well we tagged out. Dad was hoping/dreaming she could hunt harder, but she was just pretty much done with hunting. We actually passed this buck up our first day, and she was willing to let it go. We also passed up two larger bucks earlier in the week. Yes I was hoping she would hold out for a mid 170's but she told me yesterday she just wanted to shoot a good buck and be done. Real hard for her to pass up a high 160 two days ago and she was crying because I would not let her shoot. I did a reality check on who's hunt it actually was and was not going to ruin her like I did her brother (who hates hunting now) by forgetting what it was like to be a young hunter. So this morning we spotted him and she said she wanted to shoot him. Made a stalk but he moved, so we re-adjusted and made another stalk. Had him at 195yds straight down, and she made a great shot shooting down at an extremely steep angle. The buck actually tumbled and rolled down the hill every time we tried to drag it because it as so steep.
Saw three very, very small bucks killed Forky, 14" 3x3, and 12" 4x4 killed. One huge toad came by in the back of a PU today, but did not get a good look to really tell size but a stud no doubt. Saw quite a few bucks, but no real huge ones. So here is her first deer, and I wish I could have shot a buck like this when I was 10. I can stretch it to 20.5 but an honest 20+ on a 3.5yoa deer. Have some better pictures I will post later.
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Well I went up this evening and hooked up with a father/son I know and got the son a deer! His biggest to date and the biggest deer they'd seen the whole trip! Glass up this Mature Muley/Whitetail cross from about 1000 yards and made a quick drive then a good stalk and the kid settled in for a good 150 yard shot from his butt resting off his knees to put the buck down! They were both SUPER excited... Heading back up tomorrow to see if I can't help out their buddy who is returning tomorrow... Here's the pictures!
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Michael
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Mike, Took a picture of that buck yesterday!
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Funny how that works huh? lol what were you driving?
Michael
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dbllunger,
Do you have any more pictures of that buck your daughter shot? Like one from the front or one from the rear? I'm strangely suspicious that we shot/missed at that buck Friday morning...
Michael
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Mike, How far (area wise in distance) from the 3pt was the one you missed? No pictures from the back, but this one from the side. I have more on my camera but can not down load until later.
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Nope different buck now that I see that view... It was in the same general area of where that 3 point was... Actually about 250 yards from him... lol In the other picture of your buck he looks more like a 4x3 with small kicker off the 3 side... totally different buck from this view.
Michael
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Have a picture of the second buck also. Should have took more the first few days, but I was more worried about finding a big shooter. Finally took the time to enjoy the hunt and relax so snapped a few pics.
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you guys should all start new threads with all these great deer...it's getting tough to keep track of all of them.
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Jack, I have a 150.00 cheap digital and if the deer is more then 100yds away I have to max out the zoom and they don't turn out very good. Either max it out or simply see a deer.
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what i'm saying is you should start a new thread about the deer your daughter killed. post the pics and the story in a new thread. you have your own thread for your deer, and so does everyone else. it's easier to keep track of and for everyone to see them.
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Are you going off of the horn confiquration for quessing its a cross, or is does he have a whitetail tail or whitetail ears. Just from what Ive heard the horns alone are pretty hard to just judge off of. with the very few whitetails up there in the high country I would guess it to be a pure mule deer, may be wrong though. What a beautiful buck michael, you sure are doing a great job helping other hunters out way to go... Keep the pictures coming.
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Great deer guys and little gal. Wish I shot a buck like that when I was 10 also. Sheesh, I wish I shot a buck like that this year. :)
Michael....looks like your havin' fun up there dude. Keep the pics coming.
I'm with Jackelope....we should start new individual threads. Definately easier the keep track of.
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Are you going off of the horn confiquration for quessing its a cross, or is does he have a whitetail tail or whitetail ears. Just from what Ive heard the horns alone are pretty hard to just judge off of. with the very few whitetails up there in the high country I would guess it to be a pure mule deer, may be wrong though. What a beautiful buck michael, you sure are doing a great job helping other hunters out way to go... Keep the pictures coming.
I was wondering the same thing....looks like 100% mulie to me.
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OK, Will add a new post with her deer alone, and a full story on her hunt. Sorry to agree with others but that deer is not a cross but simply a 3pt mulie. My understanding is the only way to confirm is with tarsel gland measurements. We watched that buck for over two hours from less then 100-300yds away including him wizzing on his self several times. There was education for my daughter on what he was doing and showed her the tarsels (what he was peeing on). Now I did not get a chance to measure the actuall gland length, but unless he is a freak cross his tarsel gland area appeared just like the other Mule deer bucks I have seen.
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I wouldn't call that a cross at all either.
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Guys I see what you're talking about... I'll snap a few pictures today and show you what I'm talking about... He's got a real short nose and his face is shaped like a white tail, his ears are extremely small and also shaped like a whitetail, as is his horn configuration. He also has the haircoat that closely resembles a white tail (more tan, with ZERO grey in it, and judging by the many people who have seen white tails in the area he was shot in, I'm 90% sure he's 1/2 white tail... There was 2 other guys there including the father, and another guy who we met that had also seen white tails there before who agreed with was 1/2 white tail. I'll get some pictures for you guys today...
It goes to much more than horn configuration, and if I were to picture in my head what a cross would look like, this deer fit the profile in every way. But I could VERY EASILY be wrong.
Michael
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Hello my co worker has a late bow tag for 20-29 nov and was wondering if anyone has some info to share he knows mud and potato creek areas just would like some more info not looking for that private "honey hole " just friendly advice. also are the deer up high or down low he is leaving on Saturday to hunt on Tuesday
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Mike, Simply measure the actual tarsel gland length, and take a photo with a tape next to it. That measurement will tell if it is a hybrid/cross or not. Horns, Hide, or anything else appear to be an indicator, but according to bio's actually the tarsel is the only way to tell. I have talked to a few bio's and actual hybrid's are actually very very rare and almost never actually identified.
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I just got back from the entiat i didn't have a tag, but my buddy did. We got there on the 5th and came home on the 9th. First day didn't see much. But day 2 through 5 we saw a ton of deer. We saw on average 8-12 4 points in the 20 to 24 inch range every day that would score in the 130 b&c range to low 140's b&c. Tons of 3pts and 2pts everyday also. The two biggest bucks we saw we past on. One buck was 165 b&c, and the other buck was a 155 b&c buck. Ended up screwing up on friday mourning and shot a decent 4pt 23 inches wide scores in around 139 b&c. Most of the deer that we were seeing had huge bodies. We figured 220lbs and on up. When we saw the buck we ended up killing we thought he was around three hundred yards away. And would go around 225lbs. This made his horns look huge. After we shot him, finished crying at the ground shrinkage we realized what we had done. He was about 150 yards away. And when we weighed him he tipped the scale at 120lbs. This was the most fun mule deer hunt i have ever been on. We saw tons of deer and very few people. The weather sucked but we could have still shot a really nice 4pt in the 165 b&c range. Can't wait to draw this unit myself!!!!
One other thing we hunted really really low. Thats where we saw the biggest bucks. We hunted up higher a few times and only saw 2 and 3 points.
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Pictures???
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Most of the deer that we were seeing had huge bodies. We figured 220lbs and on up. When we saw the buck we ended up killing we thought he was around three hundred yards away. And would go around 225lbs. This made his horns look huge.
I would agree that there are some huge bidied deer over there. I'm posting a picture of my Chiwawa buck hanging in the garage. He was with a smaller 4 pt that we were watching when this guy decided to show himself. When we were making our decision whether to take him or not, the fact that he dwarfed the small 4 pt. made him look that much bigger. I'm unsure of the weight of this buck, but I would guess around 200 lbs. (sorry about the quality of the photo!)
Post some pictures Bigshooter!
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Got another one down... hopefully later I'll get the seperate stories up!
Not the biggest buck by any means but it only took him one look through the spotter to say "Oh ya, he's a shooter..."
Also a first muley... 20" wide, 18" tall, good fronts and good mass... this guy put his time in and hunted REALLY hard and was super pumped!
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Michael
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Congrats on another good buck.
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Michael, I left ya a PM.....
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Well as bigshooter said, there is no worse feeling thinking you are shooting a 150" deer at 25" wide and getting up there and he's 130's and 23" wide. I wish I could taken that shot back. Either way, it beats hunting blacktail, and it was by far the most fun i've had hunting. I'll try to get some pictures up, but am having some technical difficulties.
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Please post your pics! Don't forget the the story!
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Lots of ground shrinkage going on over there. :bash:
