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Equipment & Gear => Power Equipment & RV => Topic started by: jackelope on December 07, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
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This one is the Sport, which is pretty much a strippy base model. I was hoping it would be a little bigger. It’s little.
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First thing I thought when I saw it in person was that it’s a Saturn Vue.
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Yeah no kidding. I thought it would at least look a little more capable than the explorer
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I’m excited to see the full size 4 door... but the wait keeps growing.
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Not what I was expecting after seeing the promos.
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Hideous. Putrid.
Buy a Jeep Renegade.
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I’m excited to see the full size 4 door... but the wait keeps growing.
It'll be out next summer. I thought that's what they've always said.
This one is the Sport, which is pretty much a base model. The others are really cool looking and have the 2.3 or 2.7 Ecoboosts so I'm hoping it's apples and oranges.
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So much for the jeep killer prospects.
Pass.
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That's not the "Bronco", it is the "Bronco Sport". Click on the SUV & Crossovers tab and you can see the difference: https://www.ford.com/
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https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
^^^Better Bronco^^^
The one I posted is the Sport.
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that looks like an escape with "bronco sport" trim..
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Kind of looks like a range rover from the front, defiantly needs a face lift, rims tires lift and some kind of front brush guard :twocents:
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I’m excited to see the full size 4 door... but the wait keeps growing.
It'll be out next summer. I thought that's what they've always said.
This one is the Sport, which is pretty much a base model. The others are really cool looking and have the 2.3 or 2.7 Ecoboosts so I'm hoping it's apples and oranges.
Reserve order packages were supposed to start last week but go pushes to January and delivery was supposed to be spring and now is summer.
I wanted to reserve one but want to see what comes out in the next 2 years. It looks pretty epic.
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That very first pic made me think Range Rover but then I saw the rest of them and not so much.
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I can't believe you cut off the picture of the GT-500 baking the radial rubber.
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https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
^^^Better Bronco^^^
The one I posted is the Sport.
Yep, but your title says Bronco, which looks entirely different, not busting your chops just sayin
My wife whom said she did not need a new car anytime soon or wanted one is now patiently waiting for the Bronco to hit the floor :bash:
She can't decide between the Black Diamond, Outer Banks or the Wildtrak, i know one thing for sure i am not getting a new truck anytime soon
>:(
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Maybe I'm missing something but I kinda thought the whole point of bringing back the Bronco was the rebirth of something that it once was which Ford seem to do with the other two models. To also call this model a Bronco really kind of waters down the whole "Bronco" name and excitement of their return.
Just doesn't seem like a very good marketing strategy to get everyone so hyped up over the idea of the return of the Bronco for the last few years then the first model to hit the showroom is their softest model I'm not sure my wife would drive. Just one persons opinion but they should have reserved the "Bronco" name for the 2 and 4 door models and just called this one Sport and left off the Bronco part.
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That's not the "Bronco", it is the "Bronco Sport". Click on the SUV & Crossovers tab and you can see the difference: https://www.ford.com/
Kinda like back in the day when they came with the Mustang 2..... I think that's what it was called..maybe around 1972?
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It's the return of the Bronco II. Sorry, fans. I don't care for it, and we can disagree.
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Yeah, they should have brought back the original Bronco back in 1983 instead if the Bronco II. I had a Bronco II in college.
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
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https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
^^^Better Bronco^^^
The one I posted is the Sport.
Yep, but your title says Bronco, which looks entirely different, not busting your chops just sayin
My wife whom said she did not need a new car anytime soon or wanted one is now patiently waiting for the Bronco to hit the floor :bash:
She can't decide between the Black Diamond, Outer Banks or the Wildtrak, i know one thing for sure i am not getting a new truck anytime soon
>:(
The grill says Bronco too.
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https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
^^^Better Bronco^^^
The one I posted is the Sport.
Yep, but your title says Bronco, which looks entirely different, not busting your chops just sayin
My wife whom said she did not need a new car anytime soon or wanted one is now patiently waiting for the Bronco to hit the floor :bash:
She can't decide between the Black Diamond, Outer Banks or the Wildtrak, i know one thing for sure i am not getting a new truck anytime soon
>:(
The grill says Bronco too.
Yeah, i think they did that to slip it by people for it sure does not look like the Bronco, and they call this one the Bronco sport, Should be called the Bronco II :chuckle:
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https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
^^^Better Bronco^^^
The one I posted is the Sport.
Yep, but your title says Bronco, which looks entirely different, not busting your chops just sayin
My wife whom said she did not need a new car anytime soon or wanted one is now patiently waiting for the Bronco to hit the floor :bash:
She can't decide between the Black Diamond, Outer Banks or the Wildtrak, i know one thing for sure i am not getting a new truck anytime soon
>:(
The grill says Bronco too.
That's what Ford should have called this model, the "Bronco Too" :chuckle:
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I’m excited to see the full size 4 door... but the wait keeps growing.
It'll be out next summer. I thought that's what they've always said.
This one is the Sport, which is pretty much a base model. The others are really cool looking and have the 2.3 or 2.7 Ecoboosts so I'm hoping it's apples and oranges.
Reserve order packages were supposed to start last week but go pushes to January and delivery was supposed to be spring and now is summer.
I wanted to reserve one but want to see what comes out in the next 2 years. It looks pretty epic.
I was a day one reservation for a wildtrak. The way Ford has handled this, there is zero chance I’m going to give them nearly 60K. It’s been a crap show🤦♂️
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Eww... Sorry, but.... just... Ewww...
I'm really disappointed. My first car was a 68 Bronco. Had high hopes, vis-a-vis the FJ Cruiser kind of comeback. This is a.... Car.
That's discouraging.
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I’m excited to see the full size 4 door... but the wait keeps growing.
It'll be out next summer. I thought that's what they've always said.
This one is the Sport, which is pretty much a base model. The others are really cool looking and have the 2.3 or 2.7 Ecoboosts so I'm hoping it's apples and oranges.
Reserve order packages were supposed to start last week but go pushes to January and delivery was supposed to be spring and now is summer.
I wanted to reserve one but want to see what comes out in the next 2 years. It looks pretty epic.
I was a day one reservation for a wildtrak. The way Ford has handled this, there is zero chance I’m going to give them nearly 60K. It’s been a crap show🤦♂️
The wait is projected to grow
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3839720001
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The wait is projected to grow
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3839720001
I'll wait for the OJ version.
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:dunno:
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:tup:
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
:yeah:
It's a new entry into the most profitable sector of the auto market, pretty much what is replacing the 4 door sedan of last generation.
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
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:tup:
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I like the yellow one much much better!
Hope restored....
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
I’m not seeing that. There not offering anything close to what a rubicon offers. I would agree with soccer moms. Looks like a pavement pounder to me.
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
I’m not seeing that. There not offering anything close to what a rubicon offers. I would agree with soccer moms. Looks like a pavement pounder to me.
:yeah:
Can't come close to a Rubicon. Has IFS for crying out loud! Might be able to climb over a curb at the local strip mall but that's it.
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If I were Ford I’d be embarrassed!!!!
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If I were Ford I’d be embarrassed!!!!
With the bronco or bronco sport or both?
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I’ll be working on restoring a 77 this winter, when the body shows up around Christmas but my old man and I still talk about getting a 21’ wildtrak.
After restoring the 77 and later a 67 we may have to get a new one just to get a modern ride. :chuckle:
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Looks like a exploeder and a flex had an legitimate baby... gross
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If I were Ford I’d be embarrassed!!!!
With the bronco or bronco sport or both?
with the sport. The bronco should be a solid front axle and be equipped with lockers. If they want to dive into the new off road market those are a must. :twocents:
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Looks like a suv Kia would of made!
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
I’m not seeing that. There not offering anything close to what a rubicon offers. I would agree with soccer moms. Looks like a pavement pounder to me.
:yeah:
Can't come close to a Rubicon. Has IFS for crying out loud! Might be able to climb over a curb at the local strip mall but that's it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/2021-ford-bronco-jeep-wrangler-rubicon-specs-comparison/
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
I’m not seeing that. There not offering anything close to what a rubicon offers. I would agree with soccer moms. Looks like a pavement pounder to me.
:yeah:
Can't come close to a Rubicon. Has IFS for crying out loud! Might be able to climb over a curb at the local strip mall but that's it.
But the only off road 90% of Jeep rubicon’s see is when the owner backs through the flower bed. Those things are bought mainly by people trying to look rugged around town.
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Whos going to buy a 50K small Bronco to beat on ?? Market target is moms with kids and dads with money to blow.
The same people who buy the crap out of Jeep Rubicons.
I’m not seeing that. There not offering anything close to what a rubicon offers. I would agree with soccer moms. Looks like a pavement pounder to me.
Careful!!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.caranddriver.com/news/amp33310201/2021-ford-bronco-vs-jeep-wrangler-specs-compared/
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Pounding pavement!!
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But the only off road 90% of Jeep rubicon’s see is when the owner backs through the flower bed. Those things are bought mainly by people trying to look rugged around town.
Hey ! What are you saying.... ? :chuckle: :boxin:
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But the only off road 90% of Jeep rubicon’s see is when the owner backs through the flower bed. Those things are bought mainly by people trying to look rugged around town.
Hey ! What are you saying.... ? :chuckle: :boxin:
I’m sure you’re in the 10%! 😁
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Lots of YouTube videos showing the new Bronco sticking it to the Jeep’s in the rocks.
:dunno:
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If I were Ford I’d be embarrassed!!!!
With the bronco or bronco sport or both?
with the sport. The bronco should be a solid front axle and be equipped with lockers. If they want to dive into the new off road market those are a must. :twocents:
It has front and rear lockers.
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Lots of YouTube videos showing the new Bronco sticking it to the Jeep’s in the rocks.
:dunno:
It looks like a legit offroader.....
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Is it just me or does the new Bronco almost look more like an IH Scout than a Gen1 Bronco and I don't me that fugly Sport model Bronco thing but the other two.
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First glance where the doorless orange one appears screams International Scout. If going to say Bronco bring on the beef and make a bronco for men to use not a PTA Dance lesson mommy
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Pounding pavement!!
Try comparing a two door Rubi against that bronco. Nothing is going to change the fact the bronco has IFS. Won't be able to keep up with the Jeep in true off roading. :sry:
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
999.5 out of 1000 of these vehicles will never see any sort of true off road conditions, be it a Rubicon or a Bronco.
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But for those 0.5 situations, buy two jeeps. One for cool dude grocery getting, one for offroading.
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
999.5 out of 1000 of these vehicles will never see any sort of true off road conditions, be it a Rubicon or a Bronco.
1000 out of 1000 of the broncos! :chuckle:
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But for those 0.5 situations, buy two jeeps. One for cool dude grocery getting, one for offroading.
:chuckle:
Which one do the Maxtrax and snorkel go on, grocery I assume?
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Fast forward to 11:11 :chuckle:
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
Apparently so does the ford parts guy.
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If I were Ford I’d be embarrassed!!!!
I’d have to second this statement looks like another turd to make a few bucks off a what was a awesome vehicle back in the day , no solid axle ? Lockers on only some models or ? Removable top ? It’s kind of like Toyota with the FJ Made the attempt but missed key options
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
999.5 out of 1000 of these vehicles will never see any sort of true off road conditions, be it a Rubicon or a Bronco.
exactly.
the amount of people that now need maxtraxx mounted to their trucks for daily driving their kids to school is pretty fantastic anymore.
i know our roads are bad but...
be honest..half of the stuff people do is for looks and personal enjoyment and being able to get into an internet pissing match over whats better.
i'd bet the capability of most these rigs is determined by the yahoo pressing the fun pedal :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I have to say, my serious off roaring days are in the past, I do like the Rubicon, and I am glad the new Bronco will be a decent challenger for the Rubicon.
That will keep both on their toes and pushing the envelope.
Last weekend coming out of Lowe’s, I noticed an SUV I did not recognize. I walked over to take a look. It was the new Chevy Blazer!
As SUVs go it was not hideous, and much, and I mean much better looking than any of the Disgustingly horrible looking offerings Chevy currently has.
But that is not saying much. Needless to say, the new Bronco or Rubicon have nothing to fear from Chevy’s new grocery getter.
https://www.chevrolet.com/suvs/previous-year/blazer
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
Apparently so does the ford parts guy.
I’m not sure if you’re talking about me, but I’m not a parts guy. I work for a living 😂
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Technologically speaking, I think the new Ford Bronco is more advanced and in stock form more capable the any Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and I've had a couple. BUT, and this is coming from a Ford guy, I still think the Jeep Wrangler Rubi is a better looking vehicle. I'm hoping once I actually see the new 2dr/4dr Bronco in person that'll change because like I said I'm a Ford guy and I've always liked the Bronco's particularly the Gen1's.
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I have to say, my serious off roaring days are in the past, I do like the Rubicon, and I am glad the new Bronco will be a decent challenger for the Rubicon.
That will keep both on their toes and pushing the envelope.
Last weekend coming out of Lowe’s, I noticed an SUV I did not recognize. I walked over to take a look. It was the new Chevy Blazer!
As SUVs go it was not hideous, and much, and I mean much better looking than any of the Disgustingly horrible looking offerings Chevy currently has.
But that is not saying much. Needless to say, the new Bronco or Rubicon have nothing to fear from Chevy’s new grocery getter.
https://www.chevrolet.com/suvs/previous-year/blazer
Thats just wrong ! This is a Blazer
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I don't know why we are all so upset about the non off-road trim level bronco, or even really by the base specs of it. How many serious off roaders haven't dumped 15-60k in upgrades to power train, suspension, bolt on shovel holders etc? Everyone bashes Jeep's until the new bronco comes out then Jeep's are the second coming of Christ :chuckle: seeing the around town bronco has changed my mind not one bit. Still looking forward to seeing the real one released and actually getting to climb into one, although shame on me I've been at this level of anticipation for what seems like 24 years :chuckle:
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
999.5 out of 1000 of these vehicles will never see any sort of true off road conditions, be it a Rubicon or a Bronco.
exactly.
the amount of people that now need maxtraxx mounted to their trucks for daily driving their kids to school is pretty fantastic anymore.
i know our roads are bad but...
be honest..half of the stuff people do is for looks and personal enjoyment and being able to get into an internet pissing match over whats better.
i'd bet the capability of most these rigs is determined by the yahoo pressing the fun pedal :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
more true words where never spoken. When you drive some thing like you stole it some amazing things can happen.
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Man you guys take this stuff seriously.
999.5 out of 1000 of these vehicles will never see any sort of true off road conditions, be it a Rubicon or a Bronco.
exactly.
the amount of people that now need maxtraxx mounted to their trucks for daily driving their kids to school is pretty fantastic anymore.
i know our roads are bad but...
be honest..half of the stuff people do is for looks and personal enjoyment and being able to get into an internet pissing match over whats better.
i'd bet the capability of most these rigs is determined by the yahoo pressing the fun pedal :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
more true words where never spoken. When you drive some thing like you stole it some amazing things can happen.
:yeah:
I was up on Burch Mt in swakane this year. Im driving a Chevy Silverado with A/T's on and on my way out a Rubicon with 35's and all the fancy stuff hanging all over his rig had to turn around because he couldn't get to the top. Cracked me up
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If it came with a fridge/freezer combo and an espresso machine in the back along with 87 LED lights pointing in every directoin, I think some call it "overlanding?", they would probably sell even more. :chuckle:
It will be the same as Jeep, those few that really want to offroad will buy one and then dump thousands or tens of thousands into upgrades. It's built for the average person who wants a comfortable vehicle with modern conveniences that is capable in the snow and a bit of mud on gravel roads sometimes.
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I have to say, my serious off roaring days are in the past, I do like the Rubicon, and I am glad the new Bronco will be a decent challenger for the Rubicon.
That will keep both on their toes and pushing the envelope.
Last weekend coming out of Lowe’s, I noticed an SUV I did not recognize. I walked over to take a look. It was the new Chevy Blazer!
As SUVs go it was not hideous, and much, and I mean much better looking than any of the Disgustingly horrible looking offerings Chevy currently has.
But that is not saying much. Needless to say, the new Bronco or Rubicon have nothing to fear from Chevy’s new grocery getter.
https://www.chevrolet.com/suvs/previous-year/blazer
Thats just wrong ! This is a Blazer
Yes Sir!
Chevy has a bad habit of resurrecting old names that stood for something, hoping it will sell one or two more if their hideous recreations
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Bronco update.
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LOL!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ford+Bronco+Goat+Commercial&&view=detail&mid=DD556B6DD6ADE9AB8D21DD556B6DD6ADE9AB8D21&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DFord%2BBronco%2BGoat%2BCommercial%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
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looks like a land rover.
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Still just a sport, but a more “loaded” sport.
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Still just a sport, but a more “loaded” sport.
Whats the sticker price on that?
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Is that the new Explorer?!? :sry:
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Is that the new Explorer?!? :sry:
its an embarrassment if you ask me.
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Is that the new Explorer?!? :sry:
its an embarrassment if you ask me.
Lol
The base model wrangler is so much better. Been there done that too.
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Is that the new Explorer?!? :sry:
It’s escape sized.
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Here’s what the Rubicon killer looks like.
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Not a Ford fan but that is sweet looking.
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I like it and I’m confident the build quality is better than Jeep. I’d consider buying one if I didn’t need a pickup, and I hate Ford.
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Here’s what the Rubicon killer looks like.
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That actually looks really good but for some reason my brain says IH Scout every time I see these things.
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That specific model is sick, Jack.
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I'm not that versed on all the different models of this particular body style but beyond the obvious it's a 4dr which sub model Bronco is this? Is this the "First Edition" sub model Bronco or a something else??
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I'm not that versed on all the different models of this particular body style but beyond the obvious it's a 4dr which sub model Bronco is this? Is this the "First Edition" sub model Bronco or a something else??
That’s the bronco badlands, and it looks like Area 51 for the color. The bronco sport is also Area 51.
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OK, I just saw the commercial.
It has a little dial that lets you dial in 6 different G.O.A.T modes.
(Go Over All Terrain)
I think I need one.
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Funny. Jeep needs just one mode for that.
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Daughter was thinking of getting one of the new bronco's, I told here she was better off getting a proven model, something like a forester or similar.
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:yeah: I think you hit the nail on the head there!!
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Daughter was thinking of getting one of the new bronco's, I told here she was better off getting a proven model, something like a forester or similar.
C'mon man....
Its got 6 GOAT modes.
She needs one.
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Daughter was thinking of getting one of the new bronco's, I told here she was better off getting a proven model, something like a forester or similar.
C'mon man....
Its got 6 GOAT modes.
She needs one.
:chuckle: Her toughest driving conditions are slick roads going to university where she works.
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Daughter was thinking of getting one of the new bronco's, I told here she was better off getting a proven model, something like a forester or similar.
C'mon man....
Its got 6 GOAT modes.
She needs one.
:chuckle: Her toughest driving conditions are slick roads going to university where she works.
I am certain there is a GOAT mode for that.
;)
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New Broncos arrived today.
This one is a Badlands package with a manual transmission.
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Can’t wait to test drive one.
They look sweet. Not a huge fan of yellow, but black, or UFO! 😍
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So Jack, did you end up getting this one?
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So Jack, did you end up getting this one?
No. This particular one is the demo they sent that people can drive. We got another one in that's sold. First sold one we've delivered. They're completely sold out via special order through 2023.
We had 346 special orders through us alone.
I'm getting close to buying a new truck once the market settles down and they're available again. I'm not buying an SUV for me.
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So Jack, did you end up getting this one?
No. This particular one is the demo they sent that people can drive. We got another one in that's sold. First sold one we've delivered. They're completely sold out via special order through 2023.
We had 346 special orders through us alone.
:yike:
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https://thebronconation.com/2021-ford-bronco-conquers-moab-top-of-the-world-trail/
2021 FORD BRONCO CONQUERS MOAB TOP OF THE WORLD TRAIL
It's a Nitto tire event so they put Nitto tires on it, but otherwise it's a bone stock 21 Bronco.
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This one is better.
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Outer Banks model
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jackelope, if I understand it correctly those black things on the top of the front fenders are removeable, yes? Is there any chance you could take a pic or two with them removed or are they not that easy to remove and put back on?? Thanks
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jackelope, if I understand it correctly those black things on the top of the front fenders are removeable, yes? Is there any chance you could take a pic or two with them removed or are they not that easy to remove and put back on?? Thanks
I can't remove them. One is sold and one is a Ford factory demo and if something breaks, there aren't any parts available to fix them. With my luck I'd break them, regardless of how easy they come off.
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jackelope, if I understand it correctly those black things on the top of the front fenders are removeable, yes? Is there any chance you could take a pic or two with them removed or are they not that easy to remove and put back on?? Thanks
I can't remove them. One is sold and one is a Ford factory demo and if something breaks, there aren't any parts available to fix them. With my luck I'd break them, regardless of how easy they come off.
Understandable. Thanks anyway.
I am curious though, with them removed is there some filler piece that goes back in there to fill the gap or do you remove them and it just leaves an open gap or how does that whole process work?
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I like it
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
Most people don't need any off road capabilities but still want an "off road" vehicle. It's like how you see so many wranglers and tacomas with shovels And gas cans bolted outside the bed around Seattle
Man oh man do I want a bronco. Do they make one that'll hold four car seats? :chuckle:
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
You probably see none of the “very capable” varieties of Bronco as they’re just making landfall now. The ones you’re seeing are the sports and they’ve been out since I started this thread ish. They’re not base models. They’re just sports.
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
You probably see none of the “very capable” varieties of Bronco as they’re just making landfall now. The ones you’re seeing are the sports and they’ve been out since I started this thread ish. They’re not base models. They’re just sports.
Do they make a 2 wheel drive version?
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With the modular build design of the new Bronco one thing is for certain, the aftermarket market for these things is going to be huge! I really like the different fenders they put on this concept build.
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
You probably see none of the “very capable” varieties of Bronco as they’re just making landfall now. The ones you’re seeing are the sports and they’ve been out since I started this thread ish. They’re not base models. They’re just sports.
Do they make a 2 wheel drive version?
I think you can get a front wheel drive Bronco Sport.
4x4 is standard.
https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco-sport/
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
You probably see none of the “very capable” varieties of Bronco as they’re just making landfall now. The ones you’re seeing are the sports and they’ve been out since I started this thread ish. They’re not base models. They’re just sports.
Do they make a 2 wheel drive version?
I think you can get a front wheel drive Bronco Sport.
4x4 is standard.
https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco-sport/
I was wrong a about the base model being a two wheel drive version. But damn they look like a rebirth of a Geo Tracker?
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
You probably see none of the “very capable” varieties of Bronco as they’re just making landfall now. The ones you’re seeing are the sports and they’ve been out since I started this thread ish. They’re not base models. They’re just sports.
Do they make a 2 wheel drive version?
I think you can get a front wheel drive Bronco Sport.
4x4 is standard.
https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco-sport/
I was wrong a about the base model being a two wheel drive version. But damn they look like a rebirth of a Geo Tracker?
They’re small SUV sized vehicles. Super popular. About the size of an escape.
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
Because a ton of people will buy it, like you said. They’re in the business of selling cars, after all.
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Grand Banks Bronc next to Expedition for size comparison.
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Note. The sport is a much smaller/different model. Essentially it’s a different car.
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What I don’t get, is why make a very capable vehicle, then sell twice as many cut down two wheel drive versions?
I see very few of the loaded out Broncos here. But have seen tons of the butt ugly base model versions that seriously are not good at anything?
Most people don't need any off road capabilities but still want an "off road" vehicle. It's like how you see so many wranglers and tacomas with shovels And gas cans bolted outside the bed around Seattle
Man oh man do I want a bronco. Do they make one that'll hold four car seats? :chuckle:
You're not thinking outside the box. Two in the back seat, two on top or off the back hatch, Subaru Brat style. The kiddies will love it. :hello:
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Saw a Grand Banks on Craigslist for 72k.
Too plush of a rig for me.
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Just read Ford will have a Raptor Bronco edition coming sometime around the summer 2022.
Jackelope is our resident Ford dude so what say you on this newest Bronco version? It sounds pretty cool but probably will be very pricey too.
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Just read Ford will have a Raptor Bronco edition coming sometime around the summer 2022.
Jackelope is our resident Ford dude so what say you on this newest Bronco version? It sounds pretty cool but probably will be very pricey too.
Here you go!
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-bronco-raptor-supertruck-revealed-photos
I was surprised it was expected to be only 350 HP :dunno:
That is hardly more then the Midsized pickups of today.
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Saw a bronco sport heading up into the woods yesterday… it is still sad Ford went that route… it’s a “beefed” up escape… exempt my 2008 escape is cheap enough to beat the crap out of it.
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Saw a bronco sport heading up into the woods yesterday… it is still sad Ford went that route… it’s a “beefed” up escape… exempt my 2008 escape is cheap enough to beat the crap out of it.
If you look at it as a small SUV and not the Bronco that you were expecting that it wasn't intended to be, it's a fine small SUV. The actual bigger Bronco that came out a short time later is what we were all expecting.
Also we can't keep them in stock. They fly out the door as soon as they land.
(The sport I mean)
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Just read Ford will have a Raptor Bronco edition coming sometime around the summer 2022.
Jackelope is our resident Ford dude so what say you on this newest Bronco version? It sounds pretty cool but probably will be very pricey too.
I know nothing about it.
I know there's drama with the hard tops and there's drama with some of the colors being cancelled. Other drama with how long it will take to get them to people who have ordered them...talking 2023 before some of the orders are filled.
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Just read Ford will have a Raptor Bronco edition coming sometime around the summer 2022.
Jackelope is our resident Ford dude so what say you on this newest Bronco version? It sounds pretty cool but probably will be very pricey too.
Here you go!
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-bronco-raptor-supertruck-revealed-photos
I was surprised it was expected to be only 350 HP :dunno:
That is hardly more then the Midsized pickups of today.
Saw that early this morning that's where I first learned of it but was hoping jackelope would have more info on the subject.
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Yeah more like the Ford Brawndo, it's got what hipsters crave! :chuckle:
I have several Ford's. This thing ain't a bronco. I looks like a poorly cloned Range Rover if you ask me.
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People are already selling them on Craigslist. I just can't figure that one out. Maybe it was an investment and they are hoping to make aa profit flipping it due to supply and demand.
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Realistically, with modern technology and suspension improvements, it probably well out performs the original Bronco with ease. I still love the originals though.
The 390 only had 250 HP. Car And Driver is now saying The Raptor Bronco will be 450HP on the Ecoboost Twin Turbo V6. Not the 350 HP in the earlier article I posted. 37" tires and Fox adaptive dampeners.
I would love to go play with it, LOL
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Yeah more like the Ford Brawndo, it's got what hipsters crave! :chuckle:
I have several Ford's. This thing ain't a bronco. I looks like a poorly cloned Range Rover if you ask me.
Have you seen the big one?
This thread sort of devolved into a "slam the bronco sport because it's not what we were expecting" thread. The actual new Bronco will outperform the og bronco in literally every aspect except maybe interior room and how fast it consumes gasoline contest.
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Yeah I like the new Raptor edition. Bigger tires alone actually give it a more outdoor friendly look. I just don't like how small it is. I have a Super duty pickup, an Excursion, an Expedition and an Exploder that's almost fully cooked. Lol I just feel like Ford tried too hard to mimic a Range Rover for sales. I am just bitter that I probably can't fit in one. I'm 6' 4" and 300#. I have to have the third row seat for my kids as well. Lol I'll probably own one in another ten yrs!
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That "Sport" model should have been called something else because everyone, myself included, keeps focusing in on bashing that particular model. The 2 & 4 door Bronco, though I'm still not quite in full love affair mode, I can at least not lose my lunch when I look at them and I've seen pics of some pretty bada$$ custom ones. What I've seen of this Raptor Bronco it appears to be pretty cool looking but I'm afraid it'll pack a serious price tag too.
Everyone sees things different through their eyes but ever time I look at one of these new 2dr Broncos they make me think 80 Series International Scout not Gen1 Bronco.
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Thanks, now I can't not see a scout lol
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Yeah I like the new Raptor edition. Bigger tires alone actually give it a more outdoor friendly look. I just don't like how small it is. I have a Super duty pickup, an Excursion, an Expedition and an Exploder that's almost fully cooked. Lol I just feel like Ford tried too hard to mimic a Range Rover for sales. I am just bitter that I probably can't fit in one. I'm 6' 4" and 300#. I have to have the third row seat for my kids as well. Lol I'll probably own one in another ten yrs!
Did you see the pic I posted of the bronco next to my expedition?
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That’s the outer banks one with the smaller tires on it too.
I’m 6’4” and 240 and I fit in the front just fine. I haven’t tried the back seat, but pretty much everything is tight in the back for me.
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No badlands with a hardtop, Sasquatch package?
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Geez this guy's gonna make me buy a new Bronco... :chuckle:
I'll take one in that Eruption Green! Can I get a custom bumper with a winch in it? How much are these suckers?
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No badlands with a hardtop, Sasquatch package?
That’s an old pic.
Pretty sure we’ve had a few come in like that, but I’m not sure. I get them fixed if they break. I don’t do the sales stuff.
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We lifted one a little bit. I can’t stand the red but it looks good with a little bigger tire on it.
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Pretty sure we’ve had a few come in like that, but I’m not sure. I get them fixed if they break. I don’t do the sales stuff.
Fords actually break ? Who knew ??
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He said "if" they break. :chuckle:
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Pretty sure we’ve had a few come in like that, but I’m not sure. I get them fixed if they break. I don’t do the sales stuff.
Fords actually break ? Who knew ??
550k+ on one of my mine, still drive it almost daily. Very few “breaks” to this point...knock on wood.
Let me know how many times your Chev, Dodge, Toy, etc. has broken when you hit that milestone. ;)
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Jackalope, what are those two black things, look like grab holds either on either side of the hood or on top of the quarter panel next to the hood?
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Jackalope, what are those two black things, look like grab holds either on either side of the hood or on top of the quarter panel next to the hood?
Fine question. No clue what purpose they serve. They’re on the fenders.
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Jackalope, what are those two black things, look like grab holds either on either side of the hood or on top of the quarter panel next to the hood?
You can run a line from the front of the fender attached to the black mount up to the top of the windshield while out wheeling. The purpose is to deflect items like tree branches up and over the cab of the vehicle instead of into the windshield. I've never seen anyone do it on the trails I drive, but I'm just a hobbyist not a serious off roader.
One site said they should be rated for 150 lbs and can be used for kayaks and other such items.
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I've never seen anyone do that before. Your windshield is the least likely to scratch from a tree branch and unless your hauling butt isn't gonna break either. I guess if you have a long boat or canoe flipped onto your roof you can tie it off on the front to those?
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They keep brush & such from getting stuck under roof racks & whatever else someone might have on the roof.
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Does anyone know a Ford dealer that has a 4 door preferably badlands to test drive?
North sound within 30 min of mount Vernon
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Every ford dealer should have one to test drive. Not sure if it’ll be a badlands. We have one if you want to come south.
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$20K "Market adjustment"? Is this the new norm?
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Believe it, or not, there are people stupid enough to pay it.
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Believe it, or not, there are people stupid enough to pay it.
I waited a long time for this rig to come out and they kept delaying for years. Ended up buying a Jeep. Glad I did. There’s no way I would pay that kind of money.
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Got a new Rubicon Gladiator for no markup, $54k out the door. Sure wouldn't pay more for that Bronco but if you are a Ford man...... But if Jeep get the Mojave the Rubicon rides a bit rougher. Too bad they don't put the 4 cyl turbo in the gladiator.
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The wife and I just bought a 2021 'used' bronco sport outter banks, 48 miles on it. Came from Canada, bought at the chevy dealer. I wasnt a fan of it and wanted the GMC acadia AT4, but its for the wife and she really liked it. Rides nice so far and pretty comfortable for the most part. No leg room on the passenger side and im only 6' tall. Cant stretch my legs all the way out. I will be spending little to no time in that passenger seat anyway, so not that big a deal.
Shes happy with it, thats all that matters.
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Got a new Rubicon Gladiator for no markup, $54k out the door. Sure wouldn't pay more for that Bronco but if you are a Ford man...... But if Jeep get the Mojave the Rubicon rides a bit rougher. Too bad they don't put the 4 cyl turbo in the gladiator.
After riding in my brothers ‘21 Rubicon Wrangler with the diesel, it would for sure be above the Bronco on my list. I was a day one hour one reservation for a wildtrak. All the BS (MIC hardtop issues and no x plan) I said nope and cancelled my reservation. Ford continues to botch this launch which makes me very glad I cancelled. Not building in reservation order like they claimed they would because dealers crying due to some dealers getting a ton of reservations. Man just talking about it makes me mad. I just traded my one and only ford in and will never ever own another because of the way it’s been handled. Yes I’m that petty :chuckle:
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There are definitely things Ford could have done and could do better with the rollout. Every manufacturer is having a hard time keeping new rigs on the lot, and pricing has jumped.
This purchase is between a 4Runner and a bronco…. Positives on a bronco is 7 speed manual, better fuel economy and styling. Positives on the 4 runner are 3rd row, classic reliability.
We will see when we test drive a couple.
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There are definitely things Ford could have done and could do better with the rollout. Every manufacturer is having a hard time keeping new rigs on the lot, and pricing has jumped.
This purchase is between a 4Runner and a bronco…. Positives on a bronco is 7 speed manual, better fuel economy and styling. Positives on the 4 runner are 3rd row, classic reliability.
We will see when we test drive a couple.
If you don’t have a reservation number, you won’t be able to order one for a very long time is what I’ve heard. Some dealers will be getting some inventory broncos but they won’t be custom ordered. You get what you get. We’ll be getting them. The 2nd sticker ones marked up 20k are either dealers who created phony orders to get them or other used car lots. Park Place in Bellevue has 3 of them including a first edition with 63 miles on it for $109k. Pretty sure someone ordered it and sent it directly to them for consignment to make $20-30k.
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I’d also guess that the bronco fiasco isn’t too far different from anything right now. Takes 6-9 months to get a custom order super duty too.
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@Jackelope what's the point of the stupid removable black " Fin " on the top of the front fenders?
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Fugly little thing
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@Jackelope what's the point of the stupid removable black " Fin " on the top of the front fenders?
I think they're just for tie downs aren't they? It's a minor detail and I believe they are removeable, hopefully they don't leave a gap when removed, but I find them kind of annoying to look at. I don't own one so it's no big deal but if I did, they'd be the first thing I removed.
Man, I'm trying like he11 to see Gen1 Bronco in those things but all I see when I look at one of these things is 80 Series Scout. Maybe it's just me but go look up pics of some 80 Series International Scouts and tell me they don't look more like one of those than a Gen1 Bronco.
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Just because....I don't know if they are even selling it with the tracks, but it looks cool out front of Bickford Ford
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@Jackelope what's the point of the stupid removable black " Fin " on the top of the front fenders?
I think they're just for tie downs aren't they? It's a minor detail and I believe they are removeable, hopefully they don't leave a gap when removed, but I find them kind of annoying to look at. I don't own one so it's no big deal but if I did, they'd be the first thing I removed.
Tie downs as far as I know. For a canoe or something like that on the roof. I don’t think they’re removable.
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Just because....I don't know if they are even selling it with the tracks, but it looks cool out front of Bickford Ford
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This is crazy. I can’t imagine how much that cost to do.
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@Jackelope what's the point of the stupid removable black " Fin " on the top of the front fenders?
I think they're just for tie downs aren't they? It's a minor detail and I believe they are removeable, hopefully they don't leave a gap when removed, but I find them kind of annoying to look at. I don't own one so it's no big deal but if I did, they'd be the first thing I removed.
Tie downs as far as I know. For a canoe or something like that on the roof. I don’t think they’re removable.
Ohhh I thought they once said they were removable but I imagine if you did it would leave a gap.
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Driver side has less leg room then the passenger side. Gets a bit crampy
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Driver side has leg room then the passenger side. Gets a bit crampy
Full size bronco or bronco sport?
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Driver side has leg room then the passenger side. Gets a bit crampy
Full size bronco or bronco sport?
The wife and I just bought a 2021 'used' bronco sport outter banks, 48 miles on it. Came from Canada, bought at the chevy dealer. I wasnt a fan of it and wanted the GMC acadia AT4, but its for the wife and she really liked it. Rides nice so far and pretty comfortable for the most part. No leg room on the passenger side and im only 6' tall. Cant stretch my legs all the way out. I will be spending little to no time in that passenger seat anyway, so not that big a deal.
Shes happy with it, thats all that matters.
Sport. And meant to say less leg room.
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Interesting read.
Dozens of New Broncos low miles 2.7l engines have already failed!
Dozens of new Ford Bronco owners are reporting critical problems with their trucks' 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 engines. They're failing with low miles—under 10,000, by the looks of it—and are being sent to dealers where repairs can take months. Whispers of these issues first hit the Bronco6G forums in July 2021, though a thread chronicling owner testimonies has grown to include 46 affected off-roaders at the time of publishing.
With the list expanding by the week, The Drive reached out to Ford for comment. A spokesperson from the automaker explained, "We are aware of a select number of engines with this concern and we are investigating. If any customers are experiencing issues, they will be covered under the vehicle’s 5 year, 60,000-mile powertrain warranty."
This confirms that Ford is at least acknowledging the situation. But what should Bronco owners be looking for?
The first user-reported issue involved a Bronco with 1,146 miles on the odometer, and it was ultimately attributed to a dropped valve—that means the head of one of the engine's valves was separated from the stem and ultimately dropped into the cylinder. This immediately results in a loss of compression, but also sends a chunk of metal into the cylinder that can lead to catastrophic results.
To be clear, the motor we're talking about here is Ford's second-generation 2.7-liter EcoBoost. Presently, it's only found in the Ford Bronco and F-150, but most reports of failures have been limited to the Bronco; some F-150 owners have reported failures as well, but it was significantly less common throughout our research on the matter. The first-generation 2.7-liter is still being used in some Ford and Lincoln vehicles, though these do not appear to be affected.
The forums stayed relatively quiet for a few months after the first report, but by October, more threads of failed engines began popping up. Other owners chimed in over the following months, many of them noting that their Broncos had also dropped a valve, resulting in an engine replacement.
In addition to the Bronco6G thread, which also accounts for complaints spotted in various Facebook groups, there are several Reddit threads showing Broncos equipped with 2.7-liters allegedly suffering from the same issues. One member posted a Facebook screenshot from someone who noted that a technician-only Facebook group had seen approximately 30 failures of Bronco engines in a month's time.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also has a number of complaints about the Bronco on its website. Of the 42 recorded complaints, more than half involve the SUV's engine. A staggering 20 of the 25 engine-based complaints reference complete failures, many specifically indicating a problem resulting from a dropped valve.
In October 2021, a now-deleted Bronco6G account posted that the failures were attributed to a bad batch of valves that Ford received from one of its suppliers. The account claimed to work at the Lima engine plant where the 2.7-liter is produced and noted that the bad valves were mostly contained to an April batch. The user stated that something in the valve's metal composition became brittle from engine heat over time, and stressed that it was a supplier issue.
Interestingly, a note in Ford's January 2022 "State of the Plant" bulletin for its Lima facility notes that a supplier issue was resolved with its Nano engine—the 2.7-liter found in the Bronco. More specifically, it mentions a more robust valve design and material changes, which is similar to the posts from the deleted user on Bronco6G.
It's hard to say just how many Broncos might be affected, as the build date of included engines appears to span months rather than weeks. For example, the thread on Bronco6G that is tracking the failures is also tracking the build date of the failed engines, which range from May 2021 until October 2021. Ford sold more than 20,000 units of the Bronco in the U.S. and Canada during that timeframe, though the take rate on the 2.7-liter V6 vs. the 2.3-liter four-cylinder isn't readily available. It's not clear if the April batch of valves was being used until October 2021, or if the claims from the supposed Lima employee hold water. The highest mileage on a reported failure is 6,986 miles, while the lowest is just 984 miles.
Some affected owners are reporting that they are being compensated with a longer powertrain warranty, and others are praising Ford for how they are handling the issue by working closely with affected customers despite the lengthy repair time. However, some want broader action taken to protect other owners from potential failures by calling on the NHTSA's Office of Defects Investigation to open an inquiry into the failures.
Whether or not a defect investigation is opened regarding these issues, this could be a big blemish on a flagship Ford product. After all, a catastrophic engine failure isn't like a small component failing—it's the vehicle's heart, and quite an expensive system of parts to replace at that. The folks at Bronco6G are asking affected owners to file a complaint with the NHTSA should their engine fail in a similar way and suggest reporting the problem to the user tracking the failures on its forum.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/dozens-of-low-mile-2-7l-ford-bronco-engines-have-already-failed
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No surprises there!
Fix
Or
Repair
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The 77 was the same as the 76, so what's the difference between the 2 in your eyes?
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"Lengthy repair" is the new normal....
Parts availability is a daily nightmare for us right now.
Side note... I haven't seen an engine issue in one yet. I've replaced a turbo in one, but that's the only significant issue I've seen on one yet.
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The 77 was the same as the 76, so what's the difference between the 2 in your eyes?
Fuel doors. :tung:
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The 77 was the same as the 76, so what's the difference between the 2 in your eyes?
Fuel doors. :tung:
You're right.
I saw the nicest half cab in Hawaii a couple weeks ago. Oh man, it was gorgeous.
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Hmmm...I thought it stood for
F'd
Over
Rebuilt
Dodge
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My truck mechanic bought the new Bronco several months ago.
I asked him today, and he absolutely loves it.
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The 77 was the same as the 76, so what's the difference between the 2 in your eyes?
Fuel doors. :tung:
You're right.
I saw the nicest half cab in Hawaii a couple weeks ago. Oh man, it was gorgeous.
Sorry about that. I just had to EB nerd out on you. :chuckle:
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The "last" Bronco was built in 1976! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
The 77 was the same as the 76, so what's the difference between the 2 in your eyes?
Fuel doors. :tung:
You're right.
I saw the nicest half cab in Hawaii a couple weeks ago. Oh man, it was gorgeous.
I figure first year model jitters,
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Saw my first one the other day. They look like a modernized bronco 2, yes?
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I've seen several around with what looks like a soft top? WHY???????
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Saw my first one the other day. They look like a modernized bronco 2, yes?
That’s the “sport” which is a different model. Yes, more similar to a bronco 2.
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
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I've seen a few and IMO they look like every other SUV on the road. Seems to me like they slapped a venerable name on their latest SUV.
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:yeah: I am not impressed. Looks like something that should remain on the asphalt.
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My youngest daughter has the sport and loves it so far. I'm seeing quite a few of them on the roads.
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Glad to see Ford stepping up and acknowledging the issue.
When customers sense the company cares, that goes a long way regarding loyalty.
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Is it the same 2.7 that they started putting in F-150s in 2015?
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Is it the same 2.7 that they started putting in F-150s in 2015?
It's sort of a Gen 2, the same only different.
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Is it the same 2.7 that they started putting in F-150s in 2015?
It's sort of a Gen 2, the same only different.
How is Gen 1 reliability?
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
Ask him what he thinks about 7.4L Powr Strokes.
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
Ask him what he thinks about 7.4L Powr Strokes.
It's an honest question, if it's made it that far with just minor maintenance that would be incredible.
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
Ask him what he thinks about 7.4L Powr Strokes.
It's an honest question, if it's made it that far with just minor maintenance that would be incredible.
Totally agree.
I really wasn't being facetious.
I just know he loves that rig.
I'd be mighty proud of the mileage too, if it were mine.
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
Ask him what he thinks about 7.4L Powr Strokes.
It's an honest question, if it's made it that far with just minor maintenance that would be incredible.
Totally agree.
I really wasn't being facetious.
I just know he loves that rig.
I'd be mighty proud of the mileage too, if it were mine.
:tup:
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Is it the same 2.7 that they started putting in F-150s in 2015?
It's sort of a Gen 2, the same only different.
How is Gen 1 reliability?
Jim dandy.
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I've seen a few and IMO they look like every other SUV on the road. Seems to me like they slapped a venerable name on their latest SUV.
cause it is... was built right off the crossover.
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Approaching 600k original miles on one of my Fords, drive it almost daily….ymmv! :dunno:
How much maintenance has been done to get it to 600,000?
Normal maintenance. :dunno:
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Roughly $600k in maintenance costs?
:chuckle:
I’m kidding, that’s an impressive run for that rig, Phool.
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Didn't read this thread but the other day my bro in law bought his wife the new bronco, the roush edition. It's beautiful. He looked up the msrp on it, it was at the dealership for people to test drive and check out but not for sale at the time. He saw the msrp was around 54,000, they were asking 80,000. He told them what it was really worth and got it out the door 20K cheaper!!! I've never hear of a dealer going down that much!!! He's the most honest person in the world so I know it's not BS. Crazy! Nice looking rig!
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Didn't read this thread but the other day my bro in law bought his wife the new bronco, the roush edition. It's beautiful. He looked up the msrp on it, it was at the dealership for people to test drive and check out but not for sale at the time. He saw the msrp was around 54,000, they were asking 80,000. He told them what it was really worth and got it out the door 20K cheaper!!! I've never hear of a dealer going down that much!!! He's the most honest person in the world so I know it's not BS. Crazy! Nice looking rig!
So he paid $60K for a vehicle MSRP'ed at $54K :yike:
Sounds like a salesman/dealer made out. :dunno:
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Didn't read this thread but the other day my bro in law bought his wife the new bronco, the roush edition. It's beautiful. He looked up the msrp on it, it was at the dealership for people to test drive and check out but not for sale at the time. He saw the msrp was around 54,000, they were asking 80,000. He told them what it was really worth and got it out the door 20K cheaper!!! I've never hear of a dealer going down that much!!! He's the most honest person in the world so I know it's not BS. Crazy! Nice looking rig!
So he paid $60K for a vehicle MSRP'ed at $54K :yike:
Sounds like a salesman/dealer made out. :dunno:
It's a Bronco.
I've seen so many of them that were obviously ordered for consignment elsewhere. Park Place had 3 of them a couple months ago. $40k over MSRP. They had less than 1k miles a piece on them.
Then Ford made a rule that dealers couldn't sell one to anyone unless they had a reservation number because dealers were creating fake orders for them. They'd receive the vehicle, then cancel the order and put the Bronco on the lot with a $10k or more second sticker on them. $6k over MSRP for a Bronco at this point is child's play :chuckle:
Happy to report that we've only sold them to pre-order customers and only at MSRP.
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I've seen a few and IMO they look like every other SUV on the road. Seems to me like they slapped a venerable name on their latest SUV.
cause it is... was built right off the crossover.
Not sure if you two are involved in the same conversation but this might help...https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2021/05/ford-bronco-and-bronco-sport-are-not-the-same-vehicle-at-all/ (https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2021/05/ford-bronco-and-bronco-sport-are-not-the-same-vehicle-at-all/)
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
The “Everglades” edition is straight up competition to the best equipped Rubicon. :tup:
And I have to admit (though I hate to admit :rolleyes:) Ford did it right with releasing a ton of available accessories as soon as the Bronco came out.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
We sold an available one the other day for $20k over MSRP in less than one day. FIRST person they called came and bought it.
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They look like an "old school scout".
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
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The Ford dealer here had a badlands edition at the sportsman’s show last week. Man, was it nice. $60,000
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The Ford dealer here had a badlands edition at the sportsman’s show last week. Man, was it nice. $60,000
One of the dealers here https://www.metrofordofokc.com/ford-bronco-.html?pt=2
has a few Wildtrak Editions that start at $69.3K
And an Outer banks Advanced Edition for $64K
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The Ford dealer here had a badlands edition at the sportsman’s show last week. Man, was it nice. $60,000
One of the dealers here https://www.metrofordofokc.com/ford-bronco-.html?pt=2
has a few Wildtrak Editions that start at $69.3K
And an Outer banks Advanced Edition for $64K
The price will likely get bumped on the wildtrak. Ford just told all their wildtrak orders that they can’t produce them and they’ll have to cancel or order something else.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
That’s the thing. These don’t depreciate the moment you sign.
I talked to the consignment manager at a certain local high end used car dealer a couple weeks ago. He took a Raptor R that was 4 days old on consignment that week. Msrp $112k. They listed it for $179k and sold it for $169k a couple days later. They made their consignment commission and the guy who bought it and flipped it made a big chunk of coin in the matter of a week or so.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
They don't work and these don't depreciate like a standard SUV.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
They don't work and these don't depreciate like a standard SUV.
They work. I talk to them almost every day. They have ultra high paying jobs in tech and real estate. That’s what I’ve decided.
I have 5 Earthroamers that come in here. They’re $500k-$750k. The owners all work.
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
That’s the thing. These don’t depreciate the moment you sign.
I talked to the consignment manager at a certain local high end used car dealer a couple weeks ago. He took a Raptor R that was 4 days old on consignment that week. Msrp $112k. They listed it for $179k and sold it for $169k a couple days later. They made their consignment commission and the guy who bought it and flipped it made a big chunk of coin in the matter of a week or so.
Just looked at one, $169,999 seems to be the going price for Raptor R's right now. I don't think they will always go for that much over MSRP but current supply and demand, it's definitely a sellers market for these specialty vehicles like the Bronco Raptor and Raptor R. It's crazy how specialty trucks or 4X4 rigs can get so much, more, over MSRP then cars like the GT500 which are only 10-15K over MSRP. There's something I didn't think I'd ever say, only 10-15K over MSRP. :o
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Only!!
Saw this one today. Pretty good looking. We didn’t sell it.
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So how are these dealers getting these to sell when I thought they were all preorders by people and "sold out"? Maybe I'm a skeptic but it seems like there is a lot of shady dealer tricks going on so they can control the market and jack the bejeezus out of the price and it's not just one or two but just about all the dealers that have these are doing it.
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So how are these dealers getting these to sell when I thought they were all preorders by people and "sold out"? Maybe I'm a skeptic but it seems like there is a lot of shady dealer tricks going on so they can control the market and jack the bejeezus out of the price and it's not just one or two but just about all the dealers that have these are doing it.
Uhm well, they are car dealers would you expect honest an honest market without manipulation :dunno:
:chuckle:
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So how are these dealers getting these to sell when I thought they were all preorders by people and "sold out"? Maybe I'm a skeptic but it seems like there is a lot of shady dealer tricks going on so they can control the market and jack the bejeezus out of the price and it's not just one or two but just about all the dealers that have these are doing it.
Lots of rumors going around. The guy who ordered the gray one I posted a pic of legit cancelled his order.
By the Ford dealer agreement, we’re not supposed to sell a Bronco to a customer who doesn’t have a reservation number. So we can throw it at anyone with a reservation number.
Rumors I’ve heard that I can’t confirm or deny is that dealers are creating fake orders and cancelling them as they show up, then putting big 2nd stickers on them and selling them on the lot. I heard of 1 dealer local ish to us getting dinged by Ford for doing that.
There are also crap tons of them on the used market. Mostly people buying and flipping them to make a quick $10-20k.
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My youngest daughter has had her Bronco about a year, they have a driveway that requires an all wheel drive in the winter, the reason she ordered one, she loves it.
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The three months I spent selling cars at a dodge dealer were the most eye opening of my life. There are SO many dirty tricks the salesman/manager or finance officer pull. Had to quit one day suddenly when I realized I had just swindled an old man out of maybe ten grand without even thinking about it and was being celebrated. Didn't want to keep going down that path.
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Hard to imagine there is a shortage with all of the rigs I see driving around. Maybe they stick out or maybe they all ended up in my town, but it's remarkable how many I see every day.
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Hard to imagine there is a shortage with all of the rigs I see driving around. Maybe they stick out or maybe they all ended up in my town, but it's remarkable how many I see every day.
There are tons of the base models driving around here. But until Jackalope pointed out, very few of the Special Editions at all.
And the difference in price can be $10k to $30k depending on the Edition
If you can find one.
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
So, anyone that spends more money on a car than you do is clueless and an egomaniac? But they're the clueless ones?
Got it. :tup:
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
Doesn’t depreciate as much as one would think in the current market. But 2,3,4 years down the road? There quite possibly be more repo then the industry has ever seen along with never being able to trade out of your vehicle due to being so flipped in equity…
2nd sticker will ultimately hurt the industry.
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
Wow, touchy people here. Not insulting, Making Fun Of. IMO anyone who spends tens of thousands of dollars over Sticker, has issues. If it's a Business write off, well fine. But I don't think most are. :twocents:
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Local dealer has a new Bronco Raptor they just got in so I had the opportunity to look it all over. It definitely has a cool looking stance to it and sitting next to a regular Bronco the Bronco Raptor is obvious but no friggen way was it 40 grand over MSRP cool. I only stopped to look at it so the crazy 40K over MSRP asking price didn't matter to me and I understand these things are very limited production but 40 over MSRP seems more than a little crazy to me.
I want to know where these people work that have zero problem overpaying by 40k for an item that depreciates the moment you sign the papers! :yike:
If anyone knows of a job opening please let me know!
Doesn’t depreciate as much as one would think in the current market. But 2,3,4 years down the road? There quite possibly be more repo then the industry has ever seen along with never being able to trade out of your vehicle due to being so flipped in equity…
2nd sticker will ultimately hurt the industry.
2nd sticker has been having a real long run so far without hurting the industry. I'd be more worried about diminishing quality and the ever increasing emission standards choking down efficiency than second sticker.
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
Wow, touchy people here. Not insulting, Making Fun Of. IMO anyone who spends tens of thousands of dollars over Sticker, has issues. If it's a Business write off, well fine. But I don't think most are. :twocents:
Uhm wouldn’t that cover almost everyone who bought a car from 2020-2022 :dunno:
:hello:
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
Wow, touchy people here. Not insulting, Making Fun Of. IMO anyone who spends tens of thousands of dollars over Sticker, has issues. If it's a Business write off, well fine. But I don't think most are. :twocents:
Uhm wouldn’t that cover almost everyone who bought a car from 2020-2022 :dunno:
:hello:
Well, I'm not sure. Need and Want are two different animals. I see the current pricing craziness, and choose Not to participate, although I am in the market for another vehicle. I'm trying to make a point about the Insanity of Dealership (Stealership) Mark Ups, and people are getting offended.
:dunno:
To Me, and this is the Big Issue here, My View, is that over the years I have purchased 6 brand New vehicles from different dealerships. And I think that's OK for someone who wants/needs a New Vehicle, your debt, your choice. But what I find Extremely Hilarious are the people who buy "Transportation" at Uber Inflated Prices. I'm not talking about special needs or business needs. Sure it's all Hype, and I can understand some of that. But to pay many to tens of thousands of dollars over an already inflated MSRP price is, ridiculous. And for what? Bragging Rights... :twocents:
These are the people I like to laugh at....Must be just me.
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
Wow, touchy people here. Not insulting, Making Fun Of. IMO anyone who spends tens of thousands of dollars over Sticker, has issues. If it's a Business write off, well fine. But I don't think most are. :twocents:
Uhm wouldn’t that cover almost everyone who bought a car from 2020-2022 :dunno:
:hello:
Well, I'm not sure. Need and Want are two different animals. I see the current pricing craziness, and choose Not to participate, although I am in the market for another vehicle. I'm trying to make a point about the Insanity of Dealership (Stealership) Mark Ups, and people are getting offended.
:dunno:
To Me, and this is the Big Issue here, My View, is that over the years I have purchased 6 brand New vehicles from different dealerships. And I think that's OK for someone who wants/needs a New Vehicle, your debt, your choice. But what I find Extremely Hilarious are the people who buy "Transportation" at Uber Inflated Prices. I'm not talking about special needs or business needs. Sure it's all Hype, and I can understand some of that. But to pay many to tens of thousands of dollars over an already inflated MSRP price is, ridiculous. And for what? Bragging Rights... :twocents:
These are the people I like to laugh at....Must be just me.
I think it all depends on where you want to spend your money.
I hate golf and would never spend what my bro-in-law spend on it.
But he loves it.
He'd never spend what I spend on hunting/fishing/shooting.
But he gets real pleasure out of driving nice cars.
I don't think it's bragging rights.
I think it's adult choices.
(Except for those people for whom it is all about bragging rights. ;) )
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The new fancy bronco and other expensive vehicles are like rifles. I'm laughing at all of you who spend money on your fancy expensive rifles. Everyone should shoot a model 70 308 like me and if yours is slicker or more expensive or shinier or newer then I'm smarter than you :chuckle:
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I like where this thread is going. :rolleyes: OK, who here Knows About Auto Financing? If a person walks into a Stealership and says I want the latest, newest "Rolls-CanHardly" on the lot, or web site, and I'm willing to pay what ever the price is. How Is That Financed? Looking at these Over Priced Four Wheel Boxes of Transportation, how does the average person pay for it. Will a Bank Loan the full over inflated retail Stealership Price? Or is this like a Mortgage? Paying Only the appraised Value? I needs to know.
Spoiler alert,...2 Zardoz questions may be coming soon.. :rolleyes:
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Every time I see one of these Super Expensive rigs on the road, the brand doesn't matter. I get a great laugh and it makes me happy to see people so clueless...PT Barnum was right. All that money for basic transportation and the pumping up of Ego. WOW. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Insulting people because they buy new cars. That’s neat.
Wow, touchy people here. Not insulting, Making Fun Of. IMO anyone who spends tens of thousands of dollars over Sticker, has issues. If it's a Business write off, well fine. But I don't think most are. :twocents:
Uhm wouldn’t that cover almost everyone who bought a car from 2020-2022 :dunno:
:hello:
Well, I'm not sure. Need and Want are two different animals. I see the current pricing craziness, and choose Not to participate, although I am in the market for another vehicle. I'm trying to make a point about the Insanity of Dealership (Stealership) Mark Ups, and people are getting offended.
:dunno:
To Me, and this is the Big Issue here, My View, is that over the years I have purchased 6 brand New vehicles from different dealerships. And I think that's OK for someone who wants/needs a New Vehicle, your debt, your choice. But what I find Extremely Hilarious are the people who buy "Transportation" at Uber Inflated Prices. I'm not talking about special needs or business needs. Sure it's all Hype, and I can understand some of that. But to pay many to tens of thousands of dollars over an already inflated MSRP price is, ridiculous. And for what? Bragging Rights... :twocents:
These are the people I like to laugh at....Must be just me.
I bought my Frontier in April 2019 for $15K. In 2021 an identical Frontier with 10k more miles was selling for $25k and was gone in a couple days. :yike:
The "used car" prices skyrocketed. Partially because the new cars had parts shortages, but mostly because of opportunity and greed. The weird part, is people were buying them like crazy!
My wife and I discussed whether I should sell my truck, and sit on the money for a couple years then get another one. :dunno: who doesn't want to make a quick $10K :chuckle:
I didn't because I have spent the last couple years making it my truck, the way I want it. I don't want to start over unless I have to. Plus I would have to share her vehicle and she gets ornery when I have to adjust the mirrors and seat. :hello:
My wife's ex, is one of those who has to have the best of everything, and he loves to tell everyone about it. He had a Mercedes GLS SUV that was a year old. His wife decided she wanted one, so they traded his in and bought two identical fully loaded GLSs so they could be twinsees :rolleyes:
Some people just have what I call "stupid money" :chuckle:
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I like where this thread is going. :rolleyes: OK, who here Knows About Auto Financing? If a person walks into a Stealership and says I want the latest, newest "Rolls-CanHardly" on the lot, or web site, and I'm willing to pay what ever the price is. How Is That Financed? Looking at these Over Priced Four Wheel Boxes of Transportation, how does the average person pay for it. Will a Bank Loan the full over inflated retail Stealership Price? Or is this like a Mortgage? Paying Only the appraised Value? I needs to know.
Spoiler alert,...2 Zardoz questions may be coming soon.. :rolleyes:
It all, as always, depends on credit, cash down, and trade equity (including tax credit)
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I like where this thread is going. :rolleyes: OK, who here Knows About Auto Financing? If a person walks into a Stealership and says I want the latest, newest "Rolls-CanHardly" on the lot, or web site, and I'm willing to pay what ever the price is. How Is That Financed? Looking at these Over Priced Four Wheel Boxes of Transportation, how does the average person pay for it. Will a Bank Loan the full over inflated retail Stealership Price? Or is this like a Mortgage? Paying Only the appraised Value? I needs to know.
Spoiler alert,...2 Zardoz questions may be coming soon.. :rolleyes:
It all, as always, depends on credit, cash down, and trade equity (including tax credit)
True...Or they pay cash.
Zardoz...Why is this so hard to understand?
I still feel sorry for the sucker that bought my 2006 Tacoma with the rusted frame and 186k miles. Who in the world thinks that it was worth $13k wholesale in 2017?
There's one born every minute.
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I like where this thread is going. :rolleyes: OK, who here Knows About Auto Financing? If a person walks into a Stealership and says I want the latest, newest "Rolls-CanHardly" on the lot, or web site, and I'm willing to pay what ever the price is. How Is That Financed? Looking at these Over Priced Four Wheel Boxes of Transportation, how does the average person pay for it. Will a Bank Loan the full over inflated retail Stealership Price? Or is this like a Mortgage? Paying Only the appraised Value? I needs to know.
Spoiler alert,...2 Zardoz questions may be coming soon.. :rolleyes:
It all, as always, depends on credit, cash down, and trade equity (including tax credit)
True...Or they pay cash.
Zardoz...Why is this so hard to understand?
I still feel sorry for the sucker that bought my 2006 Tacoma with the rusted frame and 186k miles. Who in the world thinks that it was worth $13k wholesale in 2017?
There's one born every minute.
I and PT Barnum agree.. :chuckle:
Why? Well, I grew up very poor. Still am-ish today. Almost all my financial grief over the years have been because of my wives.(don't laugh, some of you know exactly what I'm talking about). I will admit, I have made several poor financial decisions over the years. But also, some good ones. Retired at 55, You? Being somewhat older and slightly more wise, I see things from a different perspective now. Trying to put some Hard Knocks Experience out there for the younger guys/gals, so they can avoid some of the same TRAPS I/We fell for. And I really like to challenge the "Consumer Narrative" these days. :twocents:
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I don't know, looking at the prices of trucks now it'd be hard to get what I need just to be functional for less than 80k, let alone some of what I think it needs to be comfortable. But I suppose to your point that's not a small part of why I'm driving an almost 20 year old truck with 300k miles.
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17 year old 210k mile vehicle here. I’d love to buy a new truck. I feel like I’m rolling the tow truck dice every time I head out but it is what it is. I guess I feel like it’s a cumulative number of smart financial decisions that allow people to be able to buy new trucks. Sure there are some dumb decisions made with new vehicles - along with every other major purchase. I’m far from financially smart. At some point when I get all the other things done that I have to spend real money on, maybe I’ll buy a new truck. Until then I’ll keep driving my beater.
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I am one of those guys who buys a truck new or low miles and drives it till no one can make it drive any longer. I give little thought to it’s options except, must be 4 x4, have radio, and auto trans.
Cap on back.
I am good. I have driven every make over the years except diesel, I hate diesel.
My last truck had 170 K on it when a gal ran a light and put it down for good.
I took the insurance and bought the same truck Nissan Frontier brand new in 2012. It now has 130 K.
And runs great.
I keep up on maintenance and if I want something more modern option I just add it. Like usb chargers or a ra$io that Bluetooth’s my phone. Drive it till it ca t be fixed and than decide. Hoping it’s the last truck I will need. :dunno:
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Well, Huh...PT Barnum,...Again.. :twocents: I like Scotty...
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