Post by: Casey on December 09, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
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Post by: BA Mongor on December 10, 2020, 05:27:17 AM
I've got to ask, how do you know they were poached. I find a lot of dead animals. I will say this though, I've seen a few individuals who were probably up to no good, but saw or found nothing, so maybe not.
I found (2) poached bulls in the Weyerhaeuser St.Helens pass area, right off of the 6700. Defiantly poached with the blackstrap and head removed and approximately 100 yards off of the road in clear cuts. With all of these permits in place, and no real enforcement up there, it's a free for all for any bad guys that buy a access permit.
The Rayonier permit has been ok, but there's definitely a few suspects who have the Weyerhaeuser CRW access permit. I've only found blood and tire tracks, but do have a few pics of rigs in there in the middle of the night. And this year while heading to my tree stand had 2-young guys in a Toyota scanning the couple clear cuts with their truck headlights. This is off of Mill Creek.
BA
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 10, 2020, 05:43:07 AM
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Post by: Igottanewknee on December 10, 2020, 06:17:20 AM
Ya know animal do die of other causes other than poachingOn the road? :dunno:
Post by: Stein on December 10, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
Post by: Onewhohikes on December 10, 2020, 07:46:21 AM
Post by: Stein on December 10, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
From my fairly limited experience, I usually look for what's missing and what was left to try to guess at what happened.
Post by: Bullkllr on December 10, 2020, 08:11:21 AM
Post by: Onewhohikes on December 10, 2020, 08:15:58 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 10, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Multiple? Was there others found besides the ONE his dad found in the OP?
Did you read his post or skip to the pictures.
Post by: redi on December 10, 2020, 08:55:13 AM
Post by: Onewhohikes on December 10, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
How many pictures do you see? a picture of one elk does not prove there were multiple.Multiple? Was there others found besides the ONE his dad found in the OP?
Did you read his post or skip to the pictures.
Post by: scooby on December 10, 2020, 09:48:36 AM
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Post by: Casey on December 10, 2020, 10:03:58 AM
I've got an Aberdeen permit this year, and didn't SEE anything shady, but I'm a pretty light sleeper and heard quite a few shots in the absolute middle of the night. Gunshot report in the 2am silence can travel a pretty long distance, but they were definitely closer than private land adjacent to where I was hunting most of the year.My dad and his buddys have hunted the unit for a long time and he’s had some people shine their camper at night and other guys that hunt a different season go out there and spook the elk into the timber before light. And before people start saying that’s a bunch of BS he’s had the guys tell him to his face that they are out there to scare the elk so the archery hunters don’t kill “their elk”. People would throw nails out on roads to keep people from driving down them. They would “target shoot” all day throughout the season. Most of that was before the permit. Haven’t had that since the permit but have noticed some poaching since the permit
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Post by: WSU on December 10, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
Post by: Onewhohikes on December 10, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
Not much later I heard from a friend who worked in the state patrol that the perps were tribal from a local tribe. My friend had another friend in the state patrol who was married to a lady who was also of the same tribe and she told them both that the perps weren't born tribal, but had ancestry and were "adopted"into the tribe so they could get health and other benefits. After it was found that they were tribal the state evidently dropped the case and it was up to the tribe to prosecute but they chose not to. That was before the passes started and anyone could drive in there.
Post by: Casey on December 10, 2020, 10:31:49 AM
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Post by: WSU on December 10, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
So your saying its still going on even though it is now a permit area?
Absolutely.
Post by: Stein on December 10, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
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Post by: Igottanewknee on December 12, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
Seems since the permit started there's been more shady things that happen out there and also seems odd when bigger racks survive all the legal hunting seasons but mysteriously never is to be seen again makes you wonder what goes on out there in the offseason..... guess maybe bigfoot gets them?!Most definitely bigfoot! :tup:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 12, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
Post by: Casey on December 12, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
Do the natives have access besides if they purchased a permit?I’m not to sure. I don’t think they do but I could be wrong since I keep up on what natives have access to.
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Post by: millerwheeler on December 14, 2020, 07:25:38 PM
Ya know animal do die of other causes other than poachingOn the road? :dunno:
DIDNT know you got a choice of where you die at I’ll make a note on that for my future
Post by: Lumpy Taters on December 14, 2020, 08:03:23 PM
Post by: Dark2Dark on December 14, 2020, 09:56:13 PM
I don't hunt the Aberdeen area but I do have the permit for the ST Helens area. I have seen all of the above with my own 2 eyes. Trucks driving into area at night. Areas I know do not have any camps in them and well past dark. Hearing gun shots well past dark and then finding gut piles the next day when I know I was the last one out of the area the night before. I personally reported 4 different gate problems my self. Locks missing and gates left open all night long. Loggers locks used to open gates where no active logging is going on but it is a more convenient access point for them. Keep a count and saw 7 trucks with no permit hanging just during rifle elk season. Just last weekend was in the 550 unit and saw 2 guys fully decked out in hunting gear in a unit with no late season. While the permits have slowed it down, the problems still happen and I cant tell you how many people I know with keys they shouldn't have. Yes some have been turned in but you will never stop it all. Too many ways into and out of the woods to watch it all.I have seen and heard of a lot of cougars in 550. They could have had guns, but I’m also in full hunting gear whenever I’m scouting, pulling cams, etc.
I called in a dead elk next to the road one time that I was sure was poached. The game warden informed me that the elk was found towards the tail of the season and he could back track to see where it looked like someone had simply lost the animal.
He had chopped the head/rack off to spare others the temptation. So, the headless elk I found with a bullet hole in it wasn’t as clear cut of a poaching case as it appeared.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 15, 2020, 05:40:30 AM
Post by: headshot5 on December 15, 2020, 05:50:07 AM
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How do you call in a dead elk?
Use your cell phone to call in the incident to the game warden I would imagine.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 15, 2020, 06:05:06 AM
How do you call in a dead elk?
:chuckle:
Post by: BA Mongor on December 15, 2020, 06:22:28 AM
I have a far larger problem with the hound guys up in cat areas running their dogs after "raccoon and coyotes" !!! I like hound hunting, but it sure is nice to find some unmolested cat tracks. I usually have to walk or use gated areas to get away from them.
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Post by: Lumpy Taters on December 20, 2020, 10:33:07 AM
Post by: Igottanewknee on December 20, 2020, 12:04:28 PM
While agree there is legitimate reasons to be in the woods with guns even after the general hunting seasons end. For example Cougar season lasts well into the next year. I too have seen animals that the WDFW has removed antlers and such because they don't want someone else taking them or dissecting a carcass to look for evidence. But I have never seen them take both back straps and nothing else off a cow or doe. The area the OP was talking about is closed at night. The area I was talking about did not have any late seasons after riffle deer. Yes I know there is some special permits out there. But when you approach someone sitting somewhere and they take off in hurry like you are the boogey man it only adds to the suspicion. Most people out enjoying the scenery will wave say hello or BS your ear off for an hour. Not take off the they were shot at.I never BS longer than 10 minutes, and only hide from the boogeyman when I'm mushroom hunting. Must keep my spots under the radar. :tup:
I will say I've seen back straps and hind quarters removed from does over the years at Vail. Game wardens would take your name and contact information and never be heard from.
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Post by: Bullkllr on August 14, 2021, 12:28:37 PM
You would think with limited access points enforcement would be easier if they even cared to try, which it appears they don't. :bash:
Make sure you report and keep reporting to Weyco and WDFW.
Post by: actionshooter on August 14, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Post by: Casey on August 14, 2021, 12:44:18 PM
Inside the Weyco gates? I would be surprised if it were someone with a pass, but then again :dunno:Yes it is inside the weyco gates. I find poached elk every year behind the gates. Always right off the mainline where a rifle can easily dump it and drive off.
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Post by: Norman89 on August 16, 2021, 08:14:38 AM
Sickening.
You would think with limited access points enforcement would be easier if they even cared to try, which it appears they don't. :bash:
Make sure you report and keep reporting to Weyco and WDFW.
Not to try to take this a political direction, but in my mind law enforcement of all kinds are leaving this state in drives to try to save themselves and I can't blame them. I have noticed a nasty lack of enforcement in the woods all around me the last year or so, my local warden and one Hancock guard the only ones I have seen. I reported what I think was a poached elk I found while running my trap line in February I found on the side of the road to my local warden and he already knew about it which surprised me since I check traps at dark usually so he caught wind of it with 24 hrs of it happening. I also carry a weapon year round while checking my cameras, running traps, scouting, mushroom picking. My truck is never hidden and I stop to talk with anyone I see but if I'm off the path and someone comes by I don't know I hit the dirt. Had enough traps stolen and messed with I don't attract any attention unless I'm in my truck. I think with our current climate the poaching will get worse but not as seen here, more find a gut pile and that's it. People willing to bend and break rules to put food on the table, especially seeing that much more violent and severe crimes go unpunished across the country. I have also noticed a uptick in garbage dumping, wreck less camp fires, and gates being vandalized and broke into
Post by: Bullkllr on August 16, 2021, 09:18:04 AM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on August 16, 2021, 11:11:48 AM
Sickening.
You would think with limited access points enforcement would be easier if they even cared to try, which it appears they don't. :bash:
Make sure you report and keep reporting to Weyco and WDFW.
Not sure how the game wardens are on the Westside but in NE washington that’s the last thing you want to do. I’m not sure what it is about the wardens in this area but they are all grade A pricks. 3 of my close personal friends have called in poached animals and had to go through rigorous investigations to defend themselves. Yes, the reporter of poaching had to defend himself from our fine WDFW agents accusing them of being the poacher. In fact one of my good buddy’s dad’s even had is rifle confiscated for over a year after reporting a poached moose along a forest service road and then leading the wardens to the carcass.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 16, 2021, 11:40:46 AM
Sickening.
You would think with limited access points enforcement would be easier if they even cared to try, which it appears they don't. :bash:
Make sure you report and keep reporting to Weyco and WDFW.
Not sure how the game wardens are on the Westside but in NE washington that’s the last thing you want to do. I’m not sure what it is about the wardens in this area but they are all grade A pricks. 3 of my close personal friends have called in poached animals and had to go through rigorous investigations to defend themselves. Yes, the reporter of poaching had to defend himself from our fine WDFW agents accusing them of being the poacher. In fact one of my good buddy’s dad’s even had is rifle confiscated for over a year after reporting a poached moose along a forest service road and then leading the wardens to the carcass.
I know that WDFW on Weyerhauser lands patrol and check for permits, etc. I've never heard of someone reporting a poaching being harassed. :dunno: