Post by: SWHUNTER on April 19, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
Post by: Bofire on April 19, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 19, 2009, 08:09:28 PM
I think it causes anti hunters to hate us more.
+1
Post by: agchawk on April 19, 2009, 08:13:39 PM
I think it causes anti hunters to hate us more.
Ageed.
Post by: Kain on April 20, 2009, 01:07:36 AM
Post by: docsven on April 20, 2009, 06:30:31 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 20, 2009, 09:38:29 AM
PETA gets a real kick out of seeing that stuff. They like to use it against us. Those people that are on the fence when it comes to hunting and see that stuff . . . . .sure doesn't guve them a reason to like hunters.
Post by: Idabooner on April 20, 2009, 09:46:56 AM
Yes, old stockman's way of posting territory to keep coyotes away.This is exactly what it is.
I have seen this several times in the past, and it always looks bad. I seriously doubt it keeps other coyotes away.
PETA gets a real kick out of seeing that stuff. They like to use it against us. Those people that are on the fence when it comes to hunting and see that stuff . . . . .sure doesn't guve them a reason to like hunters.
Post by: addicted on April 20, 2009, 10:01:59 AM
Post by: docsven on April 20, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Post by: Ray on April 20, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on April 20, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
Post by: jdb on April 20, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
Post by: Straight Shooter on April 20, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: tlbradford on April 21, 2009, 08:13:59 AM
I have seen it where a hunter would hang them from a fence near the gate so the farmer new he had been successful in his hunt kind of a thank you to the farmer from the hunter. but thats normally been on a farm road away from the eyes of those who would take offence. that said I have two thoughts first is probably not alot of anti's on the addy cedonia road, no excuse but... 2nd thing is some of those stevens county folk are kinda odd any how ;)
Exactly. I do this with several ranchers if I wasn't able to touch base with them in person prior to hunting. I would leave a message with them, "couple of coyotes in your back forty" etc. Then they could just cut the twine and toss them in the bushes. It helps with some landowners to have "proof" that you are actively removing coyotes, rather than just saying you shot some. It also helps identify the areas you are hunting if they have an extremely large ranch, and they can direct you to an area that they may want more pressure put on.
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10323/IMG_8155.JPG)
Plus it makes it easier to take a picture when you are by yourself.
Post by: thinkingman on April 21, 2009, 12:42:20 PM
Coyotes have been put on this planet for a reason, and unfortunately, they are very good at what they do. As an avid hunter, I wouldn't hesitate to eliminate a coyote (or feral dog/cat) if the conditions are right. That being said, these "pest" animals do deserve some respect and should be treated with a bit of dignity. Like it was stated earlier... all this act does is add fuel to the tree huggers' fire... IMO.Agreed and well said.
Post by: Gutpile on April 22, 2009, 04:15:34 PM
I think it causes anti hunters to hate us more.
I agree.
Post by: EastWaViking on April 25, 2009, 09:02:56 PM
the good old days....
Post by: 300rum on April 25, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Post by: flyguide on April 25, 2009, 09:09:42 PM
I'm perfectly fine with it. Why change your way for a bunch of touchy losers. I'm half tempted to throw the next deer I get onto the hood of the truck and drive through DT Spokane... if somebody is offended they can move back to where they came from. My mom picked me up from Kindergarten in our '69 bronco with a deer she shot on the hood and more blood than you could imagine. Nobody batted an eye, now the school would go into lock down.
the good old days....
I LOVE it, those were the days. Man I wish we could bring 'em back. Next deer I get that rack is getting propped up in the back of my pickup bed for sure.
Post by: 300rum on April 25, 2009, 09:21:52 PM
And some hunters went in it.
Post by: Straight Shooter on April 25, 2009, 09:49:22 PM
Sometimes I feel like the (you know who's) came out of the closet.... And some hunters went in it.You must be referring to inbred a$$holes. I thought the spirit of this forum was to exchange information, thoughts and opinions without the silly insults... my bad. Just because someone doesn't agree with your thought process, why does that make them a "you know who" or a "touchy loser"? There is a big difference between responsibly transporting a harvested animal in the back of a truck... and disrespecting one of God's creatures, just to prove your manhood. I fear for the future of our sport, and for our next generation of ethical hunters.
Why change your way for a bunch of touchy losers.
Post by: NW-GSP on April 25, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on April 26, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
Sometimes I feel like the (you know who's) came out of the closet.... And some hunters went in it.You must be referring to inbred a$$holes. I thought the spirit of this forum was to exchange information, thoughts and opinions without the silly insults... my bad. Just because someone doesn't agree with your thought process, why does that make them a "you know who" or a "touchy loser"? There is a big difference between responsibly transporting a harvested animal in the back of a truck... and disrespecting one of God's creatures, just to prove your manhood. I fear for the future of our sport, and for our next generation of ethical hunters.
Why change your way for a bunch of touchy losers.
by touchy losers I was referring to anti-hunter PETA types... not you. So simmer down.
Post by: Straight Shooter on April 26, 2009, 01:18:45 PM
Sometimes I feel like the (you know who's) came out of the closet.... And some hunters went in it.You must be referring to inbred a$$holes. I thought the spirit of this forum was to exchange information, thoughts and opinions without the silly insults... my bad. Just because someone doesn't agree with your thought process, why does that make them a "you know who" or a "touchy loser"? There is a big difference between responsibly transporting a harvested animal in the back of a truck... and disrespecting one of God's creatures, just to prove your manhood. I fear for the future of our sport, and for our next generation of ethical hunters.
Why change your way for a bunch of touchy losers.
by touchy losers I was referring to anti-hunter PETA types... not you. So simmer down.
I'm so sorry... I didn't mean to "offend" you. I guess that I better drive around Medical Lake with a bloody animal carcass on my hood so no one will think that I'm one of those "anti-hunter PETA types" (?). :dunno: Its all good... everyone has a right to voice their own opinion. Thank you... I'm all simmered down now. :chuckle:
Post by: benbo30 on April 27, 2009, 12:04:12 PM
Post by: furbearer365 on April 27, 2009, 02:54:12 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on April 27, 2009, 03:56:49 PM
In my OPINION, those of you who have a problem with it because it gives us hunters a bad name are comparable to people that almost shamefully admit they hunt in a group of people that don't hunt...
Its not about proving manhood, but in my hometown if you got a deer in the back of the truck or anything you almost always get 'props' because of it!! If you have problems with these kind of pictures on here because it gives the antis more ammo, then all I got to say is that if PETA or antis are on this forum, then they're obviously already have an extreme view in their head and there will be no changing their mind. I agree with SWHUNTER above, if it makes me an *censored* than so be it. Wasn't worried about offending anybody anyways.
Michael
Hunter and PROUD of it!
Post by: benbo30 on April 27, 2009, 04:49:36 PM
Post by: Ray on April 27, 2009, 04:52:40 PM
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In my OPINION, those of you who have a problem with it because it gives us hunters a bad name are comparable to people that almost shamefully admit they hunt in a group of people that don't hunt...
Makes sense to you I guess. Continue to attack someone else's opinion just around the fringes of making it personal. I suppose that is why you placed age 3 on your profile.
I think it's fuel for anti hunters. It's not illegal so I could care less much beyond stating my opinion. I give the topic about as much thought as a fart. Until we have people trying to paint pictures about other people based upon their responses here as if they are trying to drive people out of their sport because they don't think alike. That's progress in somebody's book I guess. :dunno:
Post by: MichaelJ on April 27, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
QuoteIn my OPINION, those of you who have a problem with it because it gives us hunters a bad name are comparable to people that almost shamefully admit they hunt in a group of people that don't hunt...
Makes sense to you I guess. Continue to attack someone else's opinion just around the fringes of making it personal. I suppose that is why you placed age 3 on your profile.
I think it's fuel for anti hunters. It's not illegal so I could care less much beyond stating my opinion. I give the topic about as much thought as a fart. Until we have people trying to paint pictures about other people based upon their responses here as if they are trying to drive people out of their sport because they don't think alike. That's progress in somebody's book I guess. :dunno:
I placed age three on my profile because it seems that certain people continue to discredit my opinion on certain subjects with comments like "once you grow up then you'll understand....etc"
You know as much as I do that this site is getting big and the bigger the forum gets, the more it will start to get like that 'Other site we all left for this one. I was on that site when I was 13 I think and watched it grow a lot and then start to head downhill. I've seen the same progression on this site. The more people you get, the more opinions are going to be voiced and the more arguments are going to ensue. Major props to the mods here for doing the job they do. This is the greatest site on the net but I do find myself posting less and less because some topics are so overdone and repeated. This is a new subject here so I gave my opinion, and it wasn't intended to attack anybody. I can still give my opinion about what I think of others I disagree with as long as its not personal and flaming correct?
Michael
Post by: Ray on April 27, 2009, 05:28:36 PM
Some people are age 0 and seem smarter than me at times. I wouldn't give the remark too much thought. I thought it was just a funny way to jab at you. :chuckle:
Post by: MichaelJ on April 27, 2009, 05:40:13 PM
Fair enough to me. I was just pointing out just because someone doesn't agree with you does not equate them to be part of the problems with hunting image, heritage etc.
Some people are age 0 and seem smarter than me at times. I wouldn't give the remark too much thought. I thought it was just a funny way to jab at you. :chuckle:
Agreed with they aren't the problem. Not was I was trying to communicate... just tried to get my feelings across better. Aparently that didn't work but this is the internet! :dunno:
I don't let the age things bother me, figure if they got to bring that up instead of a well thought out response then the discussion was mine anyways! haha :IBCOOL:
Michael
Post by: furbearer365 on April 27, 2009, 06:15:55 PM
Post by: Bofire on April 27, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
Carl
Post by: sisu on April 27, 2009, 06:29:28 PM
Post by: rasbo on April 27, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
I've seen this coyote fence hanging a lot in Wyoming, Montana, parts of Idaho and here in SE Washington. Personally I would not do it. Why? I have my personal thing about animals I've dispatched. Fence hanging just would not sit well with me. If a rancher wanted proof that I was indeed shooting some I'd have to leave them at the base of a fence or take multiple pictures to show them or Email, but no I just could not get myself to hang one.x2 here..
Post by: billythekidrock on April 27, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 27, 2009, 07:03:29 PM
I think it is about time i get the hell off of this site. There were *censored*es on here earlier bragging about wanting to kill a deer and tie it to the hood of their truck and drive through Spokane like the good old days and many of you try to call that the same as puting a deer in the back of a truck. Mindless nonsense is all i see coming from this site all the time. If you truely read what I wrote and took from that i recommend you get a canopy to hide your deer just let me know and i will study another language and figure out a way to be a little more clear. It sounds like I should sign up for the college language class called, Ignorantly Illiterate 101. I never said it was a bad thing to show off the game you harvested and never did i say that you should "try to hide it" so go ahead and keep on being the idiots that the antihunters think we are because this post has made me embarassed to say i am a part of this site. Once again, i say one thing, you read another. If you can have your opinion then here is mine.
See ya. :hello:
Post by: Curly on April 27, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
;)
Post by: MichaelJ on April 27, 2009, 08:09:38 PM
i dont think most people are doing it intentionally to show off , but one thing im not gonna do is while im loading my deer or animal in my truck or trailer is worry about other people seeing it , oh wait maybe i should load it this way so no one sees or how about this way ..... i personally dont care what all the peta and antis think .... im not gonna live my hunt based off some idiot peta or anti
I've said this before: we need to drop the us (hunters) versus them (peta/antis) mentality and focus on the margin. It's not the peta people or the antis I'm concerned you will offend (I could care less about them) by driving through downtown with a blood smeared vehicle, it's the thousands of potential hunters and fishermen who you may dissuade from joining our ranks that concerns me.
With that said, I understand where you're coming from. This topic has been a long running debate in my head. Why should we have to hide something (death) so basic to the survival of mankind? When people take offense to the sight of a dead animal (that will be used as a means of subsistence), is it not a sign that our society has become alienate (pardon the marxist slip) from the basic necessities that sustain our livelihood? Do people really believe meat just magically appears in the grocery store independent of any form of suffering?
I don't have the answers, but I seriously doubt driving around displaying a fresh kill will do anything to advance our cause or help people realize the relationship between life and death.
Well put I can see where you're coming from. I think the coyote hanging on a fence doesn't exactly qualify for scaring away potential hunters though... I mean who is really going to be driving along a road next to a ranchers fence? The one thing that I'm ASSUMING is that whoever chooses to hang a yote from a fence will hang it close to the ranchers home. I could care less about a yote hanging anywhere, but I could agree it might not be best to hang a yote off the side of I90 somewhere...
Michael
Post by: tlbradford on April 27, 2009, 08:29:42 PM
We are all here to enjoy one anothers opinions, stories, learn a little something, and the join in the occasional debate. Nobody is perfect all the time, and 3500 people are not going to agree all the time. I find myself guilty of all the things I just warned folks about, but the day I don't get any enjoyment from being here and reading posts, is the day I move on to something else.
Peace and Love
Travis :cmp1:
Post by: Ray on April 27, 2009, 08:30:43 PM
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Peace and Love
Travis
Damn tree hugger
Post by: benbo30 on April 27, 2009, 08:41:14 PM
i dont think most people are doing it intentionally to show off , but one thing im not gonna do is while im loading my deer or animal in my truck or trailer is worry about other people seeing it , oh wait maybe i should load it this way so no one sees or how about this way ..... i personally dont care what all the peta and antis think .... im not gonna live my hunt based off some idiot peta or anti
I've said this before: we need to drop the us (hunters) versus them (peta/antis) mentality and focus on the margin. It's not the peta people or the antis I'm concerned you will offend (I could care less about them) by driving through downtown with a blood smeared vehicle, it's the thousands of potential hunters and fishermen who you may dissuade from joining our ranks that concerns me.
With that said, I understand where you're coming from. This topic has been a long running debate in my head. Why should we have to hide something (death) so basic to the survival of mankind? When people take offense to the sight of a dead animal (that will be used as a means of subsistence), is it not a sign that our society has become alienate (pardon the marxist slip) from the basic necessities that sustain our livelihood? Do people really believe meat just magically appears in the grocery store independent of any form of suffering?
I don't have the answers, but I seriously doubt driving around displaying a fresh kill will do anything to advance our cause or help people realize the relationship between life and death.
i agree with what you say , im sure there is lots of hunters that would be disgusted to see someone put there deer on the hood of a car personally i wouldnt do it ,i was mainly just saying that if i put my deer in the back of my truck or trailer and its visible oh well i guess , im not doing anything illegal and where else would i put it
Post by: EastWaViking on April 27, 2009, 09:02:49 PM
i agree with what you say , im sure there is lots of hunters that would be disgusted to see someone put there deer on the hood of a car personally i wouldnt do it ,i was mainly just saying that if i put my deer in the back of my truck or trailer and its visible oh well i guess , im not doing anything illegal and where else would i put it
Here you go.... where else would you put it? Buckle it in the passengers seat? I can not believe anybody would have a problem with this... I'd pick up my wife and take her to the symphony just like this...heck, I'd even let the valet park it for me as long as he didn't touch the deer and get stinky cologne on it.
(BTW this was my wife's car because my truck was in the shop, way back when we were dating)
Post by: 300rum on April 27, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
Post by: tlbradford on April 27, 2009, 09:10:27 PM
QuotePeace and Love
Travis
Damn tree hugger
How did you know I sold my pick-up and bought a subaru...I mean prius, I mean a bicycle.
Post by: Ray on April 27, 2009, 09:12:26 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on April 27, 2009, 09:13:09 PM
How did you gut it with a busted arm and not get blood all over your cast? :chuckle:
got a little on it...smelled real good a few days later. The hard part was holding the rifle with a full arm cast... and dragging the deer over a mile back to the car.
Post by: 300rum on April 27, 2009, 09:18:06 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on April 27, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
Post by: benbo30 on April 27, 2009, 09:48:27 PM
i agree with what you say , im sure there is lots of hunters that would be disgusted to see someone put there deer on the hood of a car personally i wouldnt do it ,i was mainly just saying that if i put my deer in the back of my truck or trailer and its visible oh well i guess , im not doing anything illegal and where else would i put it
Here you go.... where else would you put it? Buckle it in the passengers seat? I can not believe anybody would have a problem with this... I'd pick up my wife and take her to the symphony just like this...heck, I'd even let the valet park it for me as long as he didn't touch the deer and get stinky cologne on it.
(BTW this was my wife's car because my truck was in the shop, way back when we were dating)
if you dont have a truck then i can understand that , maybe the hood the roof , or in the trunk unless you got your gear in it , i was in twisp about 2 years ago and seen a guy with a beat up car with a big buck on the hood and and other on the roof
Post by: mossback91 on April 28, 2009, 12:12:51 AM
Post by: EastWaViking on April 28, 2009, 12:13:47 AM
It's pretty chickenh&t to screw the next generation out of future hunting opportunities by being a blatant, in-your-face-a-hole stickin' it to the antihunters and nonhnters with a crassly displayed kill. I'm ok if you queer up my opportunities, shame on you for being willing to sh%t on the hunters who come after you. MY :twocents:
Doing what my family has done for generations is perfectly ethical and normal. What is stupid is to change the way you do things just to make other people more comfortable with their own unjustified hang ups. I have pictures of my Dad and Grandpa with two big mule deer on top of and in the front trunk of an old VW bug, now I have a picture of me with a deer on a hood, in fact I have lots of them, and will have more.
Only weak individuals change with the "PC" tide. I'm sticking to "the way it's done"
Now if I can figure out where the IGNORE button is, I will be using it for the first time on you foul mouthed double lung. Good evening.
Post by: EastWaViking on April 28, 2009, 12:19:09 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 28, 2009, 05:47:58 AM
If you guys are going to go back an forth at least use logical arguements.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 28, 2009, 06:06:56 AM
Doing what my family has done for generations is perfectly ethical and normal. What is stupid is to change the way you do things just to make other people more comfortable with their own unjustified hang ups. I have pictures of my Dad and Grandpa with two big mule deer on top of and in the front trunk of an old VW bug, now I have a picture of me with a deer on a hood, in fact I have lots of them, and will have more.
Only weak individuals change with the "PC" tide. I'm sticking to "the way it's done"
Now if I can figure out where the IGNORE button is, I will be using it for the first time on you foul mouthed double lung. Good evening.
Hope you figured it out. Sorry to offend your tender Viking sensibilities, I'll try to keep it free of profanity. With a little luck, the other strong men in your drum circle can group hug you through the emotional trauma.
My post was inspired by the coyotes on fence SUBJECT of the thread, but I purposely broadened the response to include strong, rugged individuals like yourself. You kind of remind me of the legendary Viking berserkers, who would charge ferociously into battle without armor or defensive efforts - legendary, because their reproductive abilities ended on the end of a spear (though perhaps a subset lived on, as their berserker rage dissolved if an offensive word was uttered in their hearing).
Like it or not, you and I are the last generation who grew up in a rural nation. When I was in high school, if I brought a rifle to school, it meant it was deer season, and was required to be leaned against the wall in the principal's office with the other hunters' rifles. That doesn't mean it would be a good idea for my son to bring a rifle to school, even on principal. Now, we have an urban majority, and they vote. In this state, 5% of us hunt, 10% are anti-hunters, and 80% SAY they support legal, regulated hunting - yet they can be swayed emotionally to vote to ban trapping with body gripping traps, hunting cougar and bobcat with hounds, baiting bears ... preciously held legal activities enjoyed by generations of other families.
A few years ago, hound hunting for cats was brought back on a pilot basis, for three years, in five Northeast counties. In year one, a hound hunter from the Olympic penninsula drew a permit for Okanogan County, and was successful. He proudly displayed his field-dressed cougar, blood running through the snow on the trailer on top of his dog boxes and down the sides, and drove home - right down I5, through Pugetropolis. Despite his efforts, doing what his strong, rugged family had undoubtedly done for generations. I'm sure in his mind, perfectly ethical and normal. "The way it's done." One strong individual, just doing what his family had done for generations. Despite his stong moral convictions, the hunt wasn't shut down - he sure didn't help the cause.
About 5 generations back, my family used to deal with undesirable neighbors (non-white) by burning down their houses. I don't know if they had any stubborn ones who needed it taken to the next level, there's no paper trail, and apparently if they did, they didn't shoot off their mouths about it. Their well-liked neighbors, who hung onto those principals for three more generations, are now considered akin to mad dogs.
So yeah, I don't have much patience, or tolerance, for those who stick to "the old ways", doing their best to render activities I want my son to be able to enjoy, illegal.
Is that better, Billy? I even removed my "foul mouthed" post, out of respect ...
Post by: Straight Shooter on April 28, 2009, 06:15:02 AM
I am more offended at the thought of wasting meat by putting an animal on your hood then the response from anti's.
If you guys are going to go back an forth at least use logical arguements.
Man, I've got to give it to you... that was a good one. :chuckle:
This topic has taken a life of its own now with personal attacks. We're all going to have to get to the point of agreeing to disagree and move on. I think that this is a great forum and look forward to more spirited attacks... I mean debates. ;)
Post by: EastWaViking on April 28, 2009, 07:02:10 AM
I am more offended at the thought of wasting meat by putting an animal on your hood then the response from anti's.
If you guys are going to go back an forth at least use logical arguements.
I am more offended by people who don't have a clue what they are talking about. A deer on the hood of a car
for a few miles.... (all of these were less than ten miles) does not hurt a thing. They were all skinned about an hour after being shot. I've never wasted an ounce of meat in my life. I've only wounded one deer in my life and spent three days looking for it, and I found it.... still alive feeding and healing (bow) Don't you ever criticize my hunting eithics again.
I'm offended by Obama stickers and gay pride marches.... do you think they are worried about what offends me??
Seriously where is the ignore button if you are using a mac?
Post by: benbo30 on April 28, 2009, 02:15:23 PM
I am more offended at the thought of wasting meat by putting an animal on your hood then the response from anti's.
If you guys are going to go back an forth at least use logical arguements.
I am more offended by people who don't have a clue what they are talking about. A deer on the hood of a car
for a few miles.... (all of these were less than ten miles) does not hurt a thing. They were all skinned about an hour after being shot. I've never wasted an ounce of meat in my life. I've only wounded one deer in my life and spent three days looking for it, and I found it.... still alive feeding and healing (bow) Don't you ever criticize my hunting eithics again.
I'm offended by Obama stickers and gay pride marches.... do you think they are worried about what offends me??
Seriously where is the ignore button if you are using a mac?
i agree with you , i am affended by obama stickers as well .... so many of them around here "HOPE"
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
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Seriously where is the ignore button if you are using a mac?
the ignore button is not a button...it is in your profile. go to your profile and then go to ignore user options. you should be able to figure it out from there.
Post by: EastWaViking on April 28, 2009, 02:39:03 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 28, 2009, 04:29:13 PM
I posted that before I saw the pics, but I will still stand by it. It is not the image we want or need presented to those people that are on the fence about hunting. It is also not a very good thing to teach new hunters who may not live close to their hunting area. Can you imagine the damage to meat (and hunters) if someone chose to drive from the eastside to the westside with a deer on their hood? :dunno:
Post by: furbearer365 on April 28, 2009, 04:37:12 PM
Post by: tlbradford on April 28, 2009, 08:14:02 PM