Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2021, 03:16:39 PM
https://www.endangeredspecieslawandpolicy.com/trump-administration-removes-gray-wolf-from-endangered#:~:text=On%20November%203%2C%202020%2C%20the,effect%20on%20January%204%2C%202021.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 06, 2021, 09:51:41 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 06, 2021, 11:35:03 AM
Unfortunately, this will do nothing in WA to allow controlling their populations. Our Governor has been bought and sold by animal rights groups and will not allow the cuddly creatures to be harmed.
Most likely to get worse before/if it ever gets better.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 06, 2021, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: HillHound on January 06, 2021, 11:50:58 AM
Post by: Platensek-po on January 06, 2021, 11:56:51 AM
Not that it would matter if it was. Selling elk jerky is illegal and their elders don’t give a crap about them breaking that law. So why not.
I could be wrong on this but Im not sure its illegal for Native Americans to sell wild game meat. Part of their historic means of survival was the sale and barter of wild animals. I could be wrong tho.
Also dont be surprised if this gets overturned rather quickly once biden assumes the presidency. Since it was done through executive order it will most likely be overturned by executive order.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 06, 2021, 12:37:47 PM
Not that it would matter if it was. Selling elk jerky is illegal and their elders don’t give a crap about them breaking that law. So why not.
This thread is about wolves. If you want to start another thread to bash Natives, go ahead and see where it gets you.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 06, 2021, 12:39:21 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 06, 2021, 12:42:01 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on January 06, 2021, 02:52:56 PM
Post by: HillHound on January 06, 2021, 03:43:19 PM
No I do not intend to start a bashing thread. But I am pretty positive I have heard from other members that it is against the law for them to take game animals with the intent of selling them and that their elders agree it is but don’t want to push the subject or step on elk jerky’s toes. Correct me if I’m wrong and if so I will try to keep my mouth shut in the future. I’m glad rainier10 is buying up that property that way they don’t consider it free and unclaimed any more. Might be a bit of skewed info on WDFW’s research they are doing though considering his land is actually regulated by hunting seasonsNot that it would matter if it was. Selling elk jerky is illegal and their elders don’t give a crap about them breaking that law. So why not.
This thread is about wolves. If you want to start another thread to bash Natives, go ahead and see where it gets you.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 06, 2021, 06:29:25 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2021, 11:00:04 AM
I was in a WDFW wolf meeting where a native spoke on wolves. Reported that they would protect their ungulate resource and take wolves. The WDFW thanked him for his report and went on.
As it should be. It's good that someone cares about our ungulates. :tup:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 07, 2021, 11:40:49 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
Well it appears to me that the natives don't take as much initiative against wolves and grizzlies as one thinks. Seem to value them as sacred
You sure paint "natives" with a broad stroke. Maybe you watch too many Kevin Costner movies. I know for a fact that the Colvilles have been shooting them regularly. I think the Yaks have, as well. They kill more than the WDFW does and without spending millions of our wildlife budget. I don't know about Grizzlies but most of the people promoting and protecting their return are white and living where it won't matter. How did this become an anti-Native thread? The people doing the damage here regarding wolves are all white and work in Olympia. Let's not point fingers at people who share our beliefs on the issue, people who actually take action.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on January 07, 2021, 12:30:45 PM
Well it appears to me that the natives don't take as much initiative against wolves and grizzlies as one thinks. Seem to value them as sacred
You sure paint "natives" with a broad stroke. Maybe you watch too many Kevin Costner movies. I know for a fact that the Colvilles have been shooting them regularly. I think the Yaks have, as well. They kill more than the WDFW does and without spending millions of our wildlife budget. I don't know about Grizzlies but most of the people promoting and protecting their return are white and living where it won't matter. How did this become an anti-Native thread? The people doing the damage here regarding wolves are all white and work in Olympia.
You look at the quality of game coming off the Colville reservation, it’s obvious they are managing things right. The Rez Bucks and Bulls Instagram page clearly shows them harvesting wolves on the reservation.
Post by: Caseyd on January 07, 2021, 01:38:58 PM
So does this lessen the crime if one is killed in Washington?
Technically yes, it would no longer be a federal crime.
Falls on the state who has less resources (in theory). You’ve seen the city lately, imagine if hunters just did what they want.
Post by: idaho guy on January 07, 2021, 04:31:53 PM
Not that it would matter if it was. Selling elk jerky is illegal and their elders don’t give a crap about them breaking that law. So why not.
I could be wrong on this but Im not sure its illegal for Native Americans to sell wild game meat. Part of their historic means of survival was the sale and barter of wild animals. I could be wrong tho.
Also dont be surprised if this gets overturned rather quickly once biden assumes the presidency. Since it was done through executive order it will most likely be overturned by executive order.
:yeah: Unfortunately probably be reversed shortly
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
I may have read more into your statement than was meant. They may be sacred and or revered, but they're also hunted by some Natives and the success of the Colvilles and their wildlife management is a good example.Well it appears to me that the natives don't take as much initiative against wolves and grizzlies as one thinks. Seem to value them as sacred
You sure paint "natives" with a broad stroke. Maybe you watch too many Kevin Costner movies. I know for a fact that the Colvilles have been shooting them regularly. I think the Yaks have, as well. They kill more than the WDFW does and without spending millions of our wildlife budget. I don't know about Grizzlies but most of the people promoting and protecting their return are white and living where it won't matter. How did this become an anti-Native thread? The people doing the damage here regarding wolves are all white and work in Olympia. Let's not point fingers at people who share our beliefs on the issue, people who actually take action.
Post by: Special T on January 07, 2021, 09:00:57 PM
Is it illegal to pay a bounty for them to the natives? Like say we pool our money and offer to pay the tribes X amount of money for every wolf harvest photo... That way we are paying for a "photo" and nothing else... Right..... Right.... C'mon, let's do this! Lol Bone can help us start a photo contest where everyone's a winner!What makes you think this isnt already happening on the DL?
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Post by: bigtex on January 07, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
They're protected by state law. I would assume it's criminal, but it may be a civil penalty. :dunno:Of course it's criminal. Heck, fishing without a license is a criminal offense.
Federal ESA violation = Class A Misdemeanor up to 1 year in jail and/or $100,000 fine
WA endangered species violation = Gross Misdemeanor up to 1 year in jail and/or $5,000 fine
Second WA ES violation within five years = Class C Felony
Post by: ne kid on January 07, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 08, 2021, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: Special T on January 08, 2021, 08:17:50 AM
Who's to say they really have great herds. The Yakima doesn't seem to.
People that have looked into it. They have actively managed their herd for a long time. Comparing the Yakima and Colville is apples and oranges.
Post by: KFhunter on January 08, 2021, 08:49:41 AM
Having known at lot of Colvilles and speaking with their head wildlife manager many times it took ahwile to wrap my head around the problems surrounding the Yakimas.
They seem to be the complete opposite of the Yakimas.
Post by: KFhunter on January 08, 2021, 08:52:20 AM
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Post by: wolfbait on January 08, 2021, 12:21:07 PM
Yes, Colville has good herds and really involved game management.
Having known at lot of Colvilles and speaking with their head wildlife manager many times it took ahwile to wrap my head around the problems surrounding the Yakimas.
They seem to be the complete opposite of the Yakimas.
Colville's were doing wolf control as far back as 2004, they like their hunting..