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Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 08:33:11 AM
So - how good do they taste?I would compare them to walleye. Have to debone them though. Which I learned to as a kid. Loved catching northern.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
Illegally introduced in Montana is what I've heard. I heard the tribe might be shutting down the bounty program though.Also illegally introduced here in WA to.
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Post by: outdooraddict on January 08, 2021, 08:36:43 AM
Post by: birdshooter1189 on January 08, 2021, 08:58:19 AM
Does anyone know if these were introduced by the state a a predator fish to control another fishes population?
I'm pretty sure anytime the state introduces them as a predator to control another fish's population, they introduce Tiger musky instead. Tiger musky a cross between northern pike and Musky I think, and are sterile and won't reproduce so they don't have to worry about the predator population getting out of control.
Similarly, sterile grass carp are introduced into some lakes to help manage aquatic plants.
Post by: birddogdad on January 08, 2021, 09:02:00 AM
I turned in some...I think there is a $500 limit ???
where do you turn fish in?
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Post by: Ridgeratt on January 08, 2021, 09:51:30 AM
I dont believe they were illegally introduced in washington the ones I caught said made in Montana on them. I believe they came via Clark Fork,Pend Oreille, Columbia.
I think you will also find that they came from the Saint Joe drainage thru Couer D'Alene lake down the Spokane River and into Roosevelt also. Long lake is chocked full of them.
I saw the Colville tribe this fall running seine nets around the mouth of the Kettle River.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on January 08, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
I dont believe they were illegally introduced in washington the ones I caught said made in Montana on them. I believe they came via Clark Fork,Pend Oreille, Columbia.
I think you will also find that they came from the Saint Joe drainage thru Couer D'Alene lake down the Spokane River and into Roosevelt also. Long lake is chocked full of them.
I saw the Colville tribe this fall running seine nets around the mouth of the Kettle River.
In front of my place last summer They had 10 nets out..I watched them check one. For every pike they had 10 dead walleye approx..
Post by: Colville on January 08, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
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Post by: grundy53 on January 08, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
I'd rather eat walleye and pike over salmon any day.Same
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Post by: Platensek-po on January 08, 2021, 11:19:31 AM
I'd rather eat walleye and pike over salmon any day.
Cool but that’s not the issue. Salmon are indigenous only to this part of the country and are struggling. Bass, walleye and pike are not. I would rather have salmon and catch and eat them over walleye or pike any day. Not only that but I can catch walleye and pike in almost any state in the continental US. Pacific salmon is hardly the same story.
Post by: Chesterdog on January 08, 2021, 01:01:13 PM
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Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
Am I the only one who thinks eating northern pikeminnow is gross? Aren't they loaded with contaminants and mercury and it's advised not to do that? Someone help me here.Pikeminnow and northern pike are 2 different fish
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Post by: Platensek-po on January 08, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and outI agree and I will tell you they will never get rid of them. I seen a lake poisened 3 time and the northern still came back. I grew up where we had land locked salmon, trout, northern, and walleye all in the same waters.
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Post by: Stein on January 08, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Am I the only one who thinks eating northern pikeminnow is gross? Aren't they loaded with contaminants and mercury and it's advised not to do that? Someone help me here.Pikeminnow and northern pike are 2 different fish
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2 different bounty programs too. Last I looked, the pikeminnow program was unlimited and a couple people at least were doing it full time.
They pay $5 for the first 25 you catch, then $6 up to 200 and $8 for every one after that.
Post by: Chesterdog on January 08, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
Am I the only one who thinks eating northern pikeminnow is gross? Aren't they loaded with contaminants and mercury and it's advised not to do that? Someone help me here.Pikeminnow and northern pike are 2 different fish
I knew someone would set me straight. Thanks Russ!
Post by: jbeaumont21 on January 08, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Yeah I hear pikeminnow are terrible.Am I the only one who thinks eating northern pikeminnow is gross? Aren't they loaded with contaminants and mercury and it's advised not to do that? Someone help me here.Pikeminnow and northern pike are 2 different fish
I knew someone would set me straight. Thanks Russ!
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Post by: buckcanyonlodge on January 08, 2021, 02:39:13 PM
As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Pacific salmon are found from California thousands of miles north to Alaska. Agree spiny ray are just about everywhere but I am not fishing everywhere in the country. I have spiny ray fishing close to home. Why should I go to some other state around the country to fish for them ..Just like me saying if you want Pacific Salmon go to Alaska.
Post by: Platensek-po on January 08, 2021, 02:52:49 PM
As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Pacific salmon are found from California thousands of miles north to Alaska. Agree spiny ray are just about everywhere but I am not fishing everywhere in the country. I have spiny ray fishing close to home. Why should I go to some other state around the country to fish for them ..Just like me saying if you want Pacific Salmon go to Alaska.
So you want to impact salmon because you want to be able
To fish for non native species close to home? Salmon are native to the Columbia. Those species can also be found in this state in waters not necessary for salmon. So again it’s about saving a native species not about what’s convenient for you
Post by: Stein on January 08, 2021, 02:58:32 PM
The predators with fins are pretty similar to the predators with legs issue, a population can only take so much pressure before it collapses.
Post by: snake on January 08, 2021, 02:59:10 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on January 08, 2021, 03:34:09 PM
As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Pacific salmon are found from California thousands of miles north to Alaska. Agree spiny ray are just about everywhere but I am not fishing everywhere in the country. I have spiny ray fishing close to home. Why should I go to some other state around the country to fish for them ..Just like me saying if you want Pacific Salmon go to Alaska.
So you want to impact salmon because you want to be able
To fish for non native species close to home? Salmon are native to the Columbia. Those species can also be found in this state in waters not necessary for salmon. So again it’s about saving a native species not about what’s convenient for you
Nothing I do will impact the salmon.. You say this is about saving a "native" species or is it about saving Your favorite "native" species? The northern pikie minnow is "native" to the Columbia but you are in favor of wiping them out.
"The northern pikeminnow, or Columbia River dace (Ptychocheilus oregonensis) is a large member of the minnow family, Cyprinidae.[2][3] This predatory freshwater fish is native to northwestern North America, ranging from the Nass River basin to the Columbia River basin"
There is no way to keep the northern pike out of the lower Columbia..might be there now might be a few years. Why not get rid of the seals and fish eating birds that help to decimate the smolt and the returning spawners ? Get rid of the gill nets that line the river. Do it NOW before there is another salmon predator added to the list. My convenience of fishing near home has NOTHING to do with the salmon problem. Period
Post by: Platensek-po on January 08, 2021, 03:58:40 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 08, 2021, 05:01:39 PM
Northern pike 2nd pic
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 08, 2021, 05:30:14 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 08, 2021, 05:51:43 PM
I never said to wipe out Pikeminnow. I also agree we need to all those things AND keep predatory fish numbers down as well. Salmon are not my favorite native species but they happen to be struggling. Show me one place where pike, bass or walleye are endangered. This is about doing everything possible to help out a struggling native species. If you care so little then them targeting those species in salmon waters shouldn’t bother you one bit.:yeah:
Spiny Rays are doing fine and always will no matter what we do.
I do not think that Pike or Pikeminnow are as big of threat as they are made out to be however.
Pikeminnow are a scapegoat scavenger fish. Back in the 90s I fished right in the spillways of dams. Schools of huge Pikeminnow gorge on Salmonids chopped up by dams and dead from dissolved oxygen. They eat the fish tags and get blamed for eating salmon but no one ever mentions that a lot of the fish are dead or dying.
So far their is no evidence Pike can reproduce in western Washington.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on January 08, 2021, 08:06:19 PM
look up salmon predation in the Mcnary pool. They did away with the limits on bass and walleye because of narrow minded special interest groups. They are killing one of the top walleye fisheries in the nation. And studies show that the pike minnow was over 70% of the salmons predation. They target mostly Shad in that area. And you want all dams out and no fishing?? You sound pretty trolly and special interest to me.As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Pacific salmon are found from California thousands of miles north to Alaska. Agree spiny ray are just about everywhere but I am not fishing everywhere in the country. I have spiny ray fishing close to home. Why should I go to some other state around the country to fish for them ..Just like me saying if you want Pacific Salmon go to Alaska.
So you want to impact salmon because you want to be able
To fish for non native species close to home? Salmon are native to the Columbia. Those species can also be found in this state in waters not necessary for salmon. So again it’s about saving a native species not about what’s convenient for you
Post by: ne kid on January 08, 2021, 08:28:23 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on January 10, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
look up salmon predation in the Mcnary pool. They did away with the limits on bass and walleye because of narrow minded special interest groups. They are killing one of the top walleye fisheries in the nation. And studies show that the pike minnow was over 70% of the salmons predation. They target mostly Shad in that area. And you want all dams out and no fishing?? You sound pretty trolly and special interest to me.As usual it only matters what certain groups think. If you ask me it's to late to keep them out of the lower Columbia...they are already there. They netted the shat out of the Pend Oreille for years and that didn't keep them from coming over Boundary Dam and populating Lake Roosevelt. If salmon are the only thing that matters why not take out ALL the dams and close all Columbia River salmon fishing. And as usual let's pit the salmon fishermen against the spiny-ray fishermen.. the division goes on and on... getting pretty old ..over and out
I wish they would take out all the dams and shut down fishing. Not just on the Columbia either. Spiny-ray fish can be found just about everywhere in this country. Pacific salmon are not.
Pacific salmon are found from California thousands of miles north to Alaska. Agree spiny ray are just about everywhere but I am not fishing everywhere in the country. I have spiny ray fishing close to home. Why should I go to some other state around the country to fish for them ..Just like me saying if you want Pacific Salmon go to Alaska.
So you want to impact salmon because you want to be able
To fish for non native species close to home? Salmon are native to the Columbia. Those species can also be found in this state in waters not necessary for salmon. So again it’s about saving a native species not about what’s convenient for you
Yes. Remove all the dams from salmon waters and stop all fishing, commercial/sport/tribal/ of salmon in WA until they can bounce back. Sorry that you don’t like that take. It’s pretty clear that dams are extremely harmful to salmon for numerous reasons. Look at how well the Elwha bounced back after the removal of the dam there. With how dry our summers and falls have been the last couple years I hate to see what the runs will look like in 3-5 years when these runs start coming back. I guess I’m just very passionate about Saving a species that I grew up fishing and I see disappearing.
Post by: Stein on January 10, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
A huge thing is what's going on in the ocean, if good numbers of healthy fish don't make it back it doesn't matter what the fresh water looks like.
Post by: Platensek-po on January 10, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
If only it were that "easy". It would almost certainly help, but there aren't any dams or fishing in some rivers for some species and they haven't came back. Too many things contributing to the problem for one thing to fix it.
A huge thing is what's going on in the ocean, if good numbers of healthy fish don't make it back it doesn't matter what the fresh water looks like.
Thats true as well. There are a lot of factors contributing to whats going on. They all need to be addressed as quickly as possible. Im not so sure i see a future where my kids get to grow up fishing for salmon.