Post by: kukusya on January 09, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5078&year=2021
Post by: Mulie87 on January 09, 2021, 08:52:47 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on January 09, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on January 09, 2021, 10:19:18 PM
The proposed law would make it illegal to have your G19 with a standard magazine with you on a trip to town to go do errands. The law says you can only have it if you are going to or from some legal shooting or hunting activities. And it has to be carried separately from the gun and unloaded.
These people are nuts. The sponsors.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 09, 2021, 11:16:27 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,256698.0.html
Post by: MADMAX on January 22, 2021, 03:43:49 PM
sent to legislators
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5078
Pass it on
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 22, 2021, 04:48:39 PM
Quote
(36)"Large capacity magazine" means an ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition, or any conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which such a 1device can be assembled if those parts are in possession of or under the control of the same person, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a)An ammunition feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(b)A 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device; or
(c)A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
. . .
New Section 3.
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, possess, distribute, import, transfer, sell, offer for sale, purchase, or otherwise transfer any large capacity magazine, except as authorized in this section.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) The possession of a large capacity magazine by a person who legally possessed the large capacity magazine before the effective date of this section or the possession of a large capacity magazine 21by a person who, on or after the effective date of this section, acquires possession of the large capacity magazine by operation of law upon the death of a former owner who was in legal possession of the large capacity magazine, provided the person in possession of the large capacity magazine can establish such provenance. A person who legally possesses a large capacity magazine under this subsection is subject to the provisions of subsection (3) of this section;
. . .
(j) Any persons while otherwise lawfully engaged in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully operated shooting range;
. . .
(3) A person who lawfully possesses a large capacity magazine 38under subsection (2)(a) of this section must comply with the following:
(a) The person shall not sell or transfer the magazine to any 1other person in this state other than to a licensed dealer, to a federally licensed gunsmith for the purpose of service or repair, or to a law enforcement agency for the purpose of permanently 4relinquishing the large capacity magazine; and
(b) The person shall possess the large capacity magazine only on 6the property owned or immediately controlled by the person, while engaged in the legal use of the large capacity magazine at a duly licensed shooting range, while engaged in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, or while traveling to or from these locations for the purpose of engaging in the legal use of the large capacity magazine, provided that the large capacity magazine is stored unloaded and in a separate locked container during transport.
(4) A person who violates this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5078.pdf#page=1
What a PITA for the law-abiding, which will have absolutely no measurable impact on criminal activity.
Post by: timberfaller on January 22, 2021, 04:50:53 PM
Reading the language of the bill basically this law is unenforceable. They let you keep and use existing magazines but there is no way to enforce you from acquiring more. People will cross state lines to get what they need.
Of course, because Dems are to stupid to figure things out, it is "emotions" that are what have to be caressed to make them feel important and intelligent!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 22, 2021, 04:52:45 PM
Post by: Stalker on January 22, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 22, 2021, 05:09:50 PM
Voice your concerns in writing or via direct phone call
Post by: fowl smacker on January 22, 2021, 05:15:45 PM
Don't assume anythingYep, they'll just keep trying and trying it until they get a judge who passes it.
Voice your concerns in writing or via direct phone call
Post by: Romulus1297 on January 22, 2021, 05:17:07 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 22, 2021, 05:17:22 PM
It's not about enforcement. It is about bludgeoning political enemies with the force of law.
:yeah: political interaction one upmanship.
Post by: Gearhead1940 on January 25, 2021, 06:29:52 AM
But how about specifics? You must sign in. We would like to see a record number of people signed on to this bill – thousands! Numbers make a difference. Even if you don’t actually want to testify, you can sign in as supporting or opposing. Click on this link - https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/)
1. At the top, you will see three buttons. Click on the Senate button.
2. At the top of that page, you will see a drop down box that says “Committee” and another that says “Meetings”. Chooses Law & Justice as the Committee and 1/25/2021 9:30 am for meetings.
3. You need to choose the bill you wish to sign in for. Choose SB 5078 Firearm Safety (Yeah – that’s what they’ve named the bill “Firearm Safety”)
4. As soon as you click the bill number, there are three choices – submit written testimony, testify live, or you can just sign in as supporting or opposing. There is also a link where you can see the list of people who signed in. We’d like this list to go on forever. This is a great way to show our numbers. You know the anti-2A people will organize to support. If you oppose this bill, you need to out-organize them!
5. Click on which you would like to do. If you do not wish to testify, but you want your voice heard, please click on this button and choose either pro, con, or other from the drop-down box.
6. Now here is the part that does bug some people. You have to enter your name, address, etc. This is not for some registry out there – this is to make sure you live in WA State. Think about it. If you live anywhere in the world, you have access to this site with a click of a button. Only WA State citizens can weigh in, so they have to confirm that you live here. Also, they need to know where in WA you live, so the legislators in that district get an idea of the feelings about those bills in their districts. You had to sign in when you went in person, as well. I know people don’t like to give out their personal info, but at some point – we need to make a stand. We have to. The other side is highly organized and will make it look like the majority supports this bill. We have to prove them wrong. It is public records, but so is every email you send to the Senate. Please make a stand on this. We have no other options.
I copied this from another forum, but the hearing is today on mag bans. You can register, and you don't have to testify. If you do and show that you are a "con", you help show the government that you are against this bill. Took all of about 30 seconds to do it. The more that register the better!
Post by: crazywednesday on January 25, 2021, 06:40:38 AM
But how about specifics? You must sign in. We would like to see a record number of people signed on to this bill – thousands! Numbers make a difference. Even if you don’t actually want to testify, you can sign in as supporting or opposing. Click on this link - https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/)
1. At the top, you will see three buttons. Click on the Senate button.
2. At the top of that page, you will see a drop down box that says “Committee” and another that says “Meetings”. Chooses Law & Justice as the Committee and 1/25/2021 9:30 am for meetings.
3. You need to choose the bill you wish to sign in for. Choose SB 5078 Firearm Safety (Yeah – that’s what they’ve named the bill “Firearm Safety”)
4. As soon as you click the bill number, there are three choices – submit written testimony, testify live, or you can just sign in as supporting or opposing. There is also a link where you can see the list of people who signed in. We’d like this list to go on forever. This is a great way to show our numbers. You know the anti-2A people will organize to support. If you oppose this bill, you need to out-organize them!
5. Click on which you would like to do. If you do not wish to testify, but you want your voice heard, please click on this button and choose either pro, con, or other from the drop-down box.
6. Now here is the part that does bug some people. You have to enter your name, address, etc. This is not for some registry out there – this is to make sure you live in WA State. Think about it. If you live anywhere in the world, you have access to this site with a click of a button. Only WA State citizens can weigh in, so they have to confirm that you live here. Also, they need to know where in WA you live, so the legislators in that district get an idea of the feelings about those bills in their districts. You had to sign in when you went in person, as well. I know people don’t like to give out their personal info, but at some point – we need to make a stand. We have to. The other side is highly organized and will make it look like the majority supports this bill. We have to prove them wrong. It is public records, but so is every email you send to the Senate. Please make a stand on this. We have no other options.
I copied this from another forum, but the hearing is today on mag bans. You can register, and you don't have to testify. If you do and show that you are a "con", you help show the government that you are against this bill. Took all of about 30 seconds to do it. The more that register the better!
Excellent instructions. This should be a sticky. Got my submission in.
Post by: full choke on January 25, 2021, 07:09:10 AM
But how about specifics? You must sign in. We would like to see a record number of people signed on to this bill – thousands! Numbers make a difference. Even if you don’t actually want to testify, you can sign in as supporting or opposing. Click on this link - https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/)
1. At the top, you will see three buttons. Click on the Senate button.
2. At the top of that page, you will see a drop down box that says “Committee” and another that says “Meetings”. Chooses Law & Justice as the Committee and 1/25/2021 9:30 am for meetings.
3. You need to choose the bill you wish to sign in for. Choose SB 5078 Firearm Safety (Yeah – that’s what they’ve named the bill “Firearm Safety”)
4. As soon as you click the bill number, there are three choices – submit written testimony, testify live, or you can just sign in as supporting or opposing. There is also a link where you can see the list of people who signed in. We’d like this list to go on forever. This is a great way to show our numbers. You know the anti-2A people will organize to support. If you oppose this bill, you need to out-organize them!
5. Click on which you would like to do. If you do not wish to testify, but you want your voice heard, please click on this button and choose either pro, con, or other from the drop-down box.
6. Now here is the part that does bug some people. You have to enter your name, address, etc. This is not for some registry out there – this is to make sure you live in WA State. Think about it. If you live anywhere in the world, you have access to this site with a click of a button. Only WA State citizens can weigh in, so they have to confirm that you live here. Also, they need to know where in WA you live, so the legislators in that district get an idea of the feelings about those bills in their districts. You had to sign in when you went in person, as well. I know people don’t like to give out their personal info, but at some point – we need to make a stand. We have to. The other side is highly organized and will make it look like the majority supports this bill. We have to prove them wrong. It is public records, but so is every email you send to the Senate. Please make a stand on this. We have no other options.
I copied this from another forum, but the hearing is today on mag bans. You can register, and you don't have to testify. If you do and show that you are a "con", you help show the government that you are against this bill. Took all of about 30 seconds to do it. The more that register the better!
Excellent instructions. This should be a sticky. Got my submission in.
Thank you.
Post by: wannabhntr on January 25, 2021, 07:22:49 AM
Isn't this the same basic California law that was struck down by the 9th circuit court last year? If so then it would stand to reason it also would be struck down thus the only real impact would be lawyers getting paid by tax payers? :dunno:Exactly what I was thinking
Post by: fowl smacker on January 25, 2021, 07:29:33 AM
Post by: Gearhead1940 on January 25, 2021, 07:41:47 AM
But how about specifics? You must sign in. We would like to see a record number of people signed on to this bill – thousands! Numbers make a difference. Even if you don’t actually want to testify, you can sign in as supporting or opposing. Click on this link - https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/csiremote/)
1. At the top, you will see three buttons. Click on the Senate button.
2. At the top of that page, you will see a drop down box that says “Committee” and another that says “Meetings”. Chooses Law & Justice as the Committee and 1/25/2021 9:30 am for meetings.
3. You need to choose the bill you wish to sign in for. Choose SB 5078 Firearm Safety (Yeah – that’s what they’ve named the bill “Firearm Safety”)
4. As soon as you click the bill number, there are three choices – submit written testimony, testify live, or you can just sign in as supporting or opposing. There is also a link where you can see the list of people who signed in. We’d like this list to go on forever. This is a great way to show our numbers. You know the anti-2A people will organize to support. If you oppose this bill, you need to out-organize them!
5. Click on which you would like to do. If you do not wish to testify, but you want your voice heard, please click on this button and choose either pro, con, or other from the drop-down box.
6. Now here is the part that does bug some people. You have to enter your name, address, etc. This is not for some registry out there – this is to make sure you live in WA State. Think about it. If you live anywhere in the world, you have access to this site with a click of a button. Only WA State citizens can weigh in, so they have to confirm that you live here. Also, they need to know where in WA you live, so the legislators in that district get an idea of the feelings about those bills in their districts. You had to sign in when you went in person, as well. I know people don’t like to give out their personal info, but at some point – we need to make a stand. We have to. The other side is highly organized and will make it look like the majority supports this bill. We have to prove them wrong. It is public records, but so is every email you send to the Senate. Please make a stand on this. We have no other options.
I copied this from another forum, but the hearing is today on mag bans. You can register, and you don't have to testify. If you do and show that you are a "con", you help show the government that you are against this bill. Took all of about 30 seconds to do it. The more that register the better!
Excellent instructions. This should be a sticky. Got my submission in.
Just trying to do my part. Don't forget to copy these instructions and email it to any of your friends!
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 25, 2021, 08:59:43 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on January 25, 2021, 09:09:30 AM
Thanks dem voters.Quote(36)"Large capacity magazine" means an ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition, or any conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which such a 1device can be assembled if those parts are in possession of or under the control of the same person, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a)An ammunition feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(b)A 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device; or
(c)A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
. . .
New Section 3.
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, possess, distribute, import, transfer, sell, offer for sale, purchase, or otherwise transfer any large capacity magazine, except as authorized in this section.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) The possession of a large capacity magazine by a person who legally possessed the large capacity magazine before the effective date of this section or the possession of a large capacity magazine 21by a person who, on or after the effective date of this section, acquires possession of the large capacity magazine by operation of law upon the death of a former owner who was in legal possession of the large capacity magazine, provided the person in possession of the large capacity magazine can establish such provenance. A person who legally possesses a large capacity magazine under this subsection is subject to the provisions of subsection (3) of this section;
. . .
(j) Any persons while otherwise lawfully engaged in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully operated shooting range;
. . .
(3) A person who lawfully possesses a large capacity magazine 38under subsection (2)(a) of this section must comply with the following:
(a) The person shall not sell or transfer the magazine to any 1other person in this state other than to a licensed dealer, to a federally licensed gunsmith for the purpose of service or repair, or to a law enforcement agency for the purpose of permanently 4relinquishing the large capacity magazine; and
(b) The person shall possess the large capacity magazine only on 6the property owned or immediately controlled by the person, while engaged in the legal use of the large capacity magazine at a duly licensed shooting range, while engaged in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, or while traveling to or from these locations for the purpose of engaging in the legal use of the large capacity magazine, provided that the large capacity magazine is stored unloaded and in a separate locked container during transport.
(4) A person who violates this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5078.pdf#page=1
What a PITA for the law-abiding, which will have absolutely no measurable impact on criminal activity.
Hmmm, does't specify rimfire. An AR with a creative tube magazine?
Post by: Jingles on January 25, 2021, 09:17:28 AM
Post by: bullfever on January 25, 2021, 09:29:58 AM
Browsing the people signed in and their pro/con status looks like more pro than con let's get busy folks. Kind of like voting if you don't vote you don't have any right to butch and belly ache if you don't get what you want
Yes, this. We need all the help we can get.