Post by: Humptulips on January 29, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
I'm against. Shot the head off too many grouse with my deer rifle.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/smallgameproposals_public.pdf
Post by: wadu1 on January 29, 2021, 07:44:57 PM
What say you?I'm against as ,well for the same reason, my .54 muzzy does a job on the head.
I'm against. Shot the head off too many grouse with my deer rifle.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/smallgameproposals_public.pdf
Post by: predatorpro on January 29, 2021, 08:12:30 PM
Post by: brokentrail on January 29, 2021, 08:18:52 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 30, 2021, 01:13:43 PM
Not start the grouse season till Sept 15
Spring "permit" season for grouse.
They say grouse population is in the dumpster cause nobody's puts any wings in those stupid barrels any more.
They want to Shorten the season,but at the same time make a boat load of money from spring permits.
Then make it Rim fire only.
How about we don't change anything and WDFW doesn't line there pockets.
Ok EVERYBODY pick your poison let the decusion rip!
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2021, 01:16:05 PM
@daveworkman
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 30, 2021, 01:24:20 PM
Post by: Bill W on January 30, 2021, 01:34:16 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 30, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Nowadays I wouldn’t waste my big game ammo on a 2 dollar grouse
Just sayin
I vote no rule change
Post by: bigtex on January 30, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
If they're worried about game wastage, they can enforce existing laws if someone blows a grouse apart with a centerfire rifle. :dunno:No they cannot.
Imagine this, guy gets cited for wasting a grouse because he blew it apart with a centerfire rifle. Guy goes to court, what's he/his lawyer going to say? Well WDFW said I can shoot a grouse with a centerfire rifle, blame WDFW. And of course they can't say "only head shots" that won't stand up in court as well.
Post by: Alchase on January 30, 2021, 06:41:18 PM
Or do what I normally do, take their head off.
Sometimes I think they make these rules up to justify their jobs. No sense in most of them.
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on January 30, 2021, 06:59:48 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 30, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
My guess is someone either complained or WDFW dreamed up the scenario of guys shooting grouse out of trees or skipping rounds down roads with their .338s mags. Or maybe it would have something to do with allowing .223 for deer (proposed)--kind of like the no rounds larger than .24 unless you had deer/elk/bear tag.
Post by: sagerat on January 30, 2021, 07:39:50 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 30, 2021, 09:20:55 PM
Ya gotta make sure those grouse are anchored! 🤪 Good grief they will want to require dogs one day. Let a person shoot a grouse with whatever they want. Maybe we should go to calling them in only? Grouse calling. You know you have all tried it!
I can see it now, tons of hunters sitting on logs beating fake wings on logs! :bash:
Post by: KFhunter on January 30, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
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Post by: Smokepole on January 31, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
I've been carrying a .22 pistol for years while hunting deer. It's challenging to pop a grouse with a handgun. I'm apposed to weekend hunters flinging high-caliber lead at anything that walks, slithers, or crawls. It's more of a safety issue IMHO. Lots of grouse are harvested in the road. Often times there's alcohol in the truck. That's why I go back to my cabin during modern and don't come out until the show is over.
Another point... I hunting ruffed grouse at the home place as a boy well into my adult years. I could flush 10 birds during a short outing with my dog. Always come home with a couple nice ones for dinner. I always saved some birds for seed, so that next year I could enjoy the same experience. Then new guy moved in with a whole different mentality. Each year he harvested up to 75 birds in his quest to fill his freezer for his Thanksgiving party. Needless to say, grouse hunting now sucks, county wide.
Wasting a little meat with a high power rifle isn't the issue here. Give me a break. WDFW could start by telling the Truth about their intended purpose.
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2021, 09:08:53 AM
In most articles you find they always scream habitat habitat habitat! But if you look beyond that tired old mantra there's not a lot of info on why the decline.
I still think there should be a study on turkey raiding grouse nests, and competition for food resources.
https://kb.osu.edu/handle/1811/23510
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/bill_monroe/2011/10/do_turkeys_replace_ruffed_or_b.html
https://www.wxpr.org/post/do-turkeys-eat-grouse
Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2021, 09:25:00 AM
"If you don't do it my way, you shouldn't do it at all"
And using declining grouse numbers as leverage to get it done, even though tbe impact to grouse numbers would be negligible.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 31, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
I think this is a "feels" thing, someone with a voice throwing centerfires under the bus because it's not "true" grouse hunting. Ground sluecing...Do you see a lot of dedicated, purist grouse hunters over there? Occasionally there are grouse only hunters driving around on the coast, but I think the rain keeps the interest over to the dry side. :dunno:
"If you don't do it my way, you shouldn't do it at all"
And using declining grouse numbers as leverage to get it done, even though tbe impact to grouse numbers would be negligible.
The way you worded it sounds a lot like what happen(s/ed) for fish.
Post by: Humptulips on January 31, 2021, 10:03:08 AM
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Post by: HntnFsh on January 31, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on January 31, 2021, 02:13:18 PM
5%
10?
50%
I say prolly less than 1-2%! with 99% of that 1% within 50 feet of a road!
Weather is high 70% some years and hawks/owls is 30% with other predators bagging the rest of the majority.
I dunno why people think hunting is the biggest threat to consumable wildlife except in certian high pressure areas witb certain species like elk.
We don't need more restrictions, we need less hawks, owls and turkey and more trapping of yotes, bobs and weasels/ermine.
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Post by: konradcountry on January 31, 2021, 04:14:05 PM
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I say prolly less than 1-2%! with 99% of that 1% within 50 feet of a road!
This is what I would guess. 1% at the most. There is no way that the occasional grouse taken by a modern hunter affects the population.
Non-hunting areas should be covered in grouse if hunters are the problem. That isn't the case.
I hike areas where hunting is banned and never see them.
In fact the area where I know to look has a lot of hunters.
Post by: Bullkllr on January 31, 2021, 05:46:49 PM
I dunno why people think hunting is the biggest threat to consumable wildlife except in certian high pressure areas witb certain species like elk.
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I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone with a clue who thinks that, especially regarding grouse. While it's hard to argue that many at the DFW seem to have much of a clue, I don't think even they believe hunters are having much impact; we're just the easiest factor to control (as usual).
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 31, 2021, 06:05:50 PM
Post by: elksnout on January 31, 2021, 06:50:23 PM
Elksnout
Post by: sagerat on January 31, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
What grouse decline? Yeah there’s better years than others but I still find them in very good numbers with minimal effort.