Post by: wolfbait on January 29, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-wolves-western-united-states-are-driving-down-mountain-lion-populations-180976775/?fbclid=IwAR39EnW9sP2uETrxmgSUyuuA_zmkXWyFR1JuuX-sdtPGhE1iPIbPiUyXqqY
Post by: Humptulips on January 29, 2021, 11:22:26 PM
"Wolves are now in Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and moving outward still,” says Elbroch. “And these are all states that have aggressive mountain lion management. It will be fascinating to see how they decide to alter their management of mountain lions as wolves move into the system."
The first three States he mentions have no hound hunting for cougar so how does anyone come up with such a statement.
Post by: CementFinisher on January 30, 2021, 12:24:35 AM
Post by: Special T on January 30, 2021, 05:56:27 AM
I was struck by this quote from the article,I didnt see but was Koontz or Smith author of this piece? Lol
"Wolves are now in Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and moving outward still,” says Elbroch. “And these are all states that have aggressive mountain lion management. It will be fascinating to see how they decide to alter their management of mountain lions as wolves move into the system."
The first three States he mentions have no hound hunting for cougar so how does anyone come up with such a statement.
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Post by: ne kid on January 30, 2021, 06:34:03 AM
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Post by: wolfbait on February 01, 2021, 10:38:45 AM
Cougar prey base is getting whittled down at a fairly rapid rate in areas with wolves, so yes wolves do impact cougars in that department also.
On the other hand the article suggest that cougars need protection, when in reality cougars and other predators need to be thinned down to match their prey base. Which as we have seen, will never happen in WA, given the currant governor and WDFake Environmentalist..
Post by: coachteeter on February 01, 2021, 10:55:02 AM
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Post by: wolfbait on February 02, 2021, 09:25:36 AM
Three times over the years I have watched wolves take a deer kill away from cougars. Two of those time were just killed by the cougar, so maybe the cougars are starving.
I agree, hence more cougar human conflict, cougars driven into local communities in search of prey. WDFW-fake environmentalist propaganda teams like to run with "humans moved into the predators habitat". Not surprising I have heard quite a bit of that garbage from the "new" Methow Valley folks. They lack any knowledge of predator prey base or the lack of. They seem to only regurgitate the talking points of agenda driven drivel.
Post by: timberfaller on February 02, 2021, 10:28:30 AM
Post by: rainshadow1 on February 02, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
"Korinna Domingo, the founder and director of the Cougar Conservancy, who was not involved in this study, suggests that wildlife managers should pause mountain lion hunting or reduce the quota in areas where wolves are moving back into the ecosystem. Doing so will allow the cats to deal with one major threat at a time instead of trying to evade both hunters and wolves simultaneously. "That needs to be a very serious consideration," she says."
20 wolves kill more lions than ALL the hunters combined (inside the study area.)
Management theory isn't to remove or limit the wolves, it's to remove or limit the humans.
Managing predators (by highly paid earth muffin celebrity bios) begins with removing humans from the equation. It's been obvious for years.
Question: Do you exist?
(Follow-up question: Will you exist in 10 years?)
According to WDFW and similar Bios... No. You don't.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 02, 2021, 12:17:34 PM
Post by: idaho guy on February 02, 2021, 02:40:21 PM
California...aggressive lion management...Does a statement like this invalidate everything else he says in the article??? :dunno:
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: hard to take serious when California has a complete elimination of ANY lion hunting for like 20 years and they call that "aggressive" . I noticed author has written for many "science" publications almost makes me hate the word science after reading these articles.
Post by: idaho guy on February 02, 2021, 02:43:37 PM
Pause mountain lion hunting? Better just to remove the wolves
quit using commons sense! we need to base this on "science" :chuckle: Study 20 wolves kill more than all hunters combined-science says better get rid of the hunters. Its just getting way too irritating to even read anymore
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Post by: KFhunter on February 22, 2021, 03:51:49 PM
Displaced cats, by wolves or cat over crowding, are pushing into new habitats. Breaks of the Snake, central desert, neighborhoods with yard deer for just a start. Do you want your first grader standing at the bus stop these days? The best answer is probably hounds as a on going study should demonstrate. Keep the pressure on WDFW.
I got ridiculed a few years back for suggesting kids would need bus stop cages..about now
What a bunch of emotional hogwash! Wolf proof school bus cages? Evidently they weren't worried about cougars or bears, huh? Those animals actually kill children as do dogs quite regularly. Never heard of a wolf proof school bus stop in Alaska or Canada. Those New Mexican kids must be more tasty to wolves.
I don't know if you're married or have kids sitka-blacktail, but you'd have to pretty solid in your beliefs to send your kids out to the bus in the dark after hearing wolves out side.
In the past 100 years maybe 5 people have been killed in North America by wolves. In the past 10 years more than 250 people have been killed by domestic dogs in America. There has been over 40 million dog bites and over 450,000 requiring emergency room care also in the last 10 years in America.
...and your worried about wolves hurting your kids because you hear one howl.
Makes perfect sense to me... :bash:
It's amazing any children are left in Alaskan villages with such a threat looming!
Post by: KFhunter on February 22, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 22, 2021, 04:08:51 PM
I've been seeing some bus cages lately popping up.
Smart move, :tup: some realize that hazards of protected predators...