Post by: Buckmark on February 01, 2021, 01:39:13 PM
I'm sitting here locating and buying a few hundred regulars and wide mouths (nothing off brand either), i feel like im buying ammo :chuckle:
I feel like we have more than enough jars but starting to question that and make pick up 50-100 more....
This is what makes people buy all the TP >:(
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Post by: Stein on February 01, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
Seems like everything is in short supply, lots of money flowing around and production challenges in addition to fear.
Post by: Angry Perch on February 01, 2021, 01:44:25 PM
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 01, 2021, 01:56:35 PM
Been a shortage since before last harvest.
Post by: Stein on February 01, 2021, 02:28:20 PM
You can buy 6 dozen limit at uline.com It’s their brand but they seem to work fine
I have used all different brands and they seem to pretty much do the same thing.
Post by: Southpole on February 01, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
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Post by: Buckmark on February 01, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
Oh and she is not super greedy, said she left 2 boxes of lids/bands for someone else.. i was like yeah thats the right thing to do :rolleyes:
She checked online and said no way she was paying those prices, i reminded her thats what she said about ammo months ago ;)
Post by: brew on February 01, 2021, 06:22:13 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 01, 2021, 07:39:34 PM
Amazon has Ball lids, $15.08 for a box of 12. Maybe set up a trade 1:1 for some .223? :chuckle:
Seems like everything is in short supply, lots of money flowing around and production challenges in addition to fear.
That's like buying primers.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on February 01, 2021, 07:44:50 PM
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Post by: 206 on February 02, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
Amazon has lids most of the times I have checked. I bought 12 dozen ball lids the other day.
Bought 6 packs of Ball lids last fall on amazon. They arrived in what I called fake ball cartons (no bar code) and the lids did not have the ball stamp on them. Did not use them for canning fish.
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
Has anyone had issues with off brand lids?Have not tried any but i would be nervous, no reason other than id hate to waste product due to saving a few bucks.
Someone did post above about uline lids and having no issues so with 2 recommendations i might try those for like jams etc but im still sticking to ball or kerr lids only for meat :twocents:
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
When looking yesterday i was wondering about fake lids in fake packaging, i would check for a high seller rating and check all the pictures. I wont pay a buck a lid though unless it comes to that.Amazon has lids most of the times I have checked. I bought 12 dozen ball lids the other day.
Bought 6 packs of Ball lids last fall on amazon. They arrived in what I called fake ball cartons (no bar code) and the lids did not have the ball stamp on them. Did not use them for canning fish.
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
Also remembered i had some old, like real old lids from who knows when that we pulled up in crab pots in Alaska, they have glass inserts that say genuine ball lids :tup:
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2021, 12:52:00 PM
I never realized exactly how they worked. Good to know!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 02, 2021, 01:03:27 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 01:05:15 PM
It the top part of those lids Lead?Zinc, i licked it to make sure :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 01:19:08 PM
The original patent was given to him on March 30th 1869 and various manufactures made them. The original patent name is "Improved Mode of Preventing Corrosion In Metallic Caps"
The early ones where made of clear glass and from 1871 on milk glass was used, they were made well into to 50's, the glass insert was mainly to prevent the foods form touching the zinc lid and giving the food a metallic taste, and help prevent the increase in possible bacteria contamination.
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On tomorrows lesson will be on 16th century Mongolian cookware, was it as seen on TV :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on February 02, 2021, 02:06:09 PM
Has anyone had issues with off brand lids?Have not tried any but i would be nervous, no reason other than id hate to waste product due to saving a few bucks.
Someone did post above about uline lids and having no issues so with 2 recommendations i might try those for like jams etc but im still sticking to ball or kerr lids only for meat :twocents:
I've used whatever was available and that included a few off brands. With the lids, it's completely obvious whether they sealed or not. I'll probably get one no seal in 50 jars, due to not cleaning the rim enough or whatever and it goes in the refrigerator.
I've never had a jar that started sealed and came unsealed in the pantry.
I have reused lids many times too as long as you don't dent the edge when you remove it.
Jar lids aren't the most technically advanced piece of equipment out there.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 02, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
I have reused lids many times too as long as you don't dent the edge when you remove it.
Same here. I've broken more jars (3) due to cold contents in hot bath than I've had no seal ever (1).
Post by: KFhunter on February 02, 2021, 03:02:26 PM
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Post by: Southpole on February 02, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Don't reuse lids, the sealing compound is meant to be single use.:yeah: :nono: do not reuse lids!
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 02, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
Don't reuse lids, the sealing compound is meant to be single use.
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That's just a conspiracy by big lid to keep you buying more lids, man.
Post by: Stein on February 02, 2021, 04:42:13 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 02, 2021, 04:44:15 PM
Yeah, maybe i could believe this if lids where always expensive, but traditionally they have been pennies on the dollar and since this has been gospel since my great grand ma ma was alive i will believe it!Don't reuse lids, the sealing compound is meant to be single use.
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That's just a conspiracy by big lid to keep you buying more lids, man.
Post by: KFhunter on February 02, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
2nd use the compound is hard and doesn't soften appropriately, after multiple uses can even get brittle and micro cracks can form, and it doesn't form to the jar as well.
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Post by: 300rum on February 02, 2021, 08:36:09 PM
I would stick to Ball lids, they are around but I wouldn't expect them to find them everywhere this year. The seed companies going out-of-stock or limiting orders already will tell you what is going to happen mid summer through fall 2021.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 03, 2021, 07:28:35 AM
Yeah, maybe i could believe this if lids where always expensive, but traditionally they have been pennies on the dollar and since this has been gospel since my great grand ma ma was alive i will believe it!Don't reuse lids, the sealing compound is meant to be single use.
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That's just a conspiracy by big lid to keep you buying more lids, man.
It was a joke. Reused lids have proven effective for more than just me. I believe it is most likely a generated as a result of a combination of old wives tales and prudent lawyer-made liability limitations, because, let's face it, the public cannot be trusted to look out for his or her own interest and ensure that the seal is good after canning or it goes in the refrigerator for immediate consumption.
:tup:
Post by: KFhunter on February 03, 2021, 08:23:51 AM
I have lot's of tattler lids, those are reusable, but tricky to use compared to metal lids.
I would reuse ball metal lids if I had too as well, I don't think its a huge deal but if new were widly available and cheap, I'd always opt for new.
Ya I keep the old lids too.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 03, 2021, 08:26:36 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: Stein on February 03, 2021, 08:43:03 AM
Immediate failure isn't the issue, it's long term failure rates.
I have lot's of tattler lids, those are reusable, but tricky to use compared to metal lids.
I would reuse ball metal lids if I had too as well, I don't think its a huge deal but if new were widly available and cheap, I'd always opt for new.
Ya I keep the old lids too.
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That's what I do, use new lids for a few bucks but if you can't get them or are in the middle of canning at 1 am and run a few short because you apparently can't count, use a few used ones.
Post by: KFhunter on February 03, 2021, 08:45:54 AM
Maybe be good for someone closer, does uline allow local pick up?
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