Post by: salmon on February 01, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
Post by: Stein on February 01, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
So, I wouldn't load the shovel and waders in the truck quite yet.
Here are the toxin reports, for sure, nothing will happen until they are all in the green.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/basics/domoic-acid/levels
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 02, 2021, 11:48:26 AM
Clams should be tested by mid month. Highly doubtful a opener will happen anytime soon.
Post by: WSU on February 02, 2021, 11:52:20 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2021, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 02, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 02, 2021, 02:00:29 PM
"UPDATE February 2, 2021: WDFW is continuing to sample razor clams on a regular basis and will announce razor clam harvest dates when domoic acid levels drop on all beaches and the Washington Department of Health determines the clams are safe to eat. This message will be updated when more information is available."
Post by: GASoline71 on February 03, 2021, 10:03:44 AM
Gary
Post by: Limhangerslayer on February 03, 2021, 10:58:35 AM
Post by: WSU on February 03, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
There’s a bloom on the outside, but not inside willapa where it’s warmer and more stagnant. Weird!
Too many commercial shellfish interests inside Willapa for there to be problems.
Post by: Stein on February 03, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
This isn't the first time that Domoic Acid levels and PSP have been high for almost an entire clamming season. Covid or no Covid... you don't want to eat tainted clams or crabs.
Gary
Yeah, if history is an indicator, it could be around for much longer than any of us want to think about.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 03, 2021, 12:09:06 PM
I know my memory is bad but at 51 I don't ever recall closures this long due to acid levels.This isn't the first time that Domoic Acid levels and PSP have been high for almost an entire clamming season. Covid or no Covid... you don't want to eat tainted clams or crabs.
Gary
Yeah, if history is an indicator, it could be around for much longer than any of us want to think about.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 03, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
Post by: Stein on February 03, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
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Since 1991, when the toxin was first detected on the Pacific Coast, outbreaks of domoic acid have prompted the cancellation of three entire razor-clam seasons in Washington — the last one in 2002-03. Twin Harbors Beach never opened in 2015-2016. The entire coast was also closed in late May of 2015 when domoic acid spiked well above the cut-off threshold.
http://www.theoutdoorline.com/blog/post/2021/01/18/hope-possibly-on-the-horizon-for-coastal-razor-clams-and-best-fishing-choices-are-east-of-the-cascades-for-big-trout-and-kokanee.aspx
WDFW has stated they will either open all of them or none of them during COVID, so it could be even worse than in the past when some were opened while others were still dangerous.
As it sits, three entire seasons have been cancelled due to red tide and Twin Harbors was over the safe limit for 2 years.... :o
Post by: trophyhunt on February 03, 2021, 12:23:09 PM
51 and your memory is bad? :chuckle: :chuckle:BAD! Too many coors lights, must be the aluminum !! :chuckle:
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on February 03, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
Or do the sometimes widely varying numbers/trends just indicate the sample is being tested by some "newbie", using the wrong reagent/chemistry/procedure?
Or that the state finds this an easy way to manipulate the masses....???
My BS indicator always beeps when this testing comes up.
Post by: GASoline71 on February 03, 2021, 01:44:19 PM
I know my memory is bad but at 51 I don't ever recall closures this long due to acid levels.This isn't the first time that Domoic Acid levels and PSP have been high for almost an entire clamming season. Covid or no Covid... you don't want to eat tainted clams or crabs.
Gary
Yeah, if history is an indicator, it could be around for much longer than any of us want to think about.
2002 was one I believe and 2015ish was another.
Gary
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 03, 2021, 01:56:36 PM
I do not trust the state with its Domoic acid testing. Why all the local differences from time to time.? Are all the beaches being tested at the same labs, by the same technicians, using the same methodology? Correctly?
Or do the sometimes widely varying numbers/trends just indicate the sample is being tested by some "newbie", using the wrong reagent/chemistry/procedure?
Or that the state finds this an easy way to manipulate the masses....???
My BS indicator always beeps when this testing comes up.
You really think the State doesn't want the beaches open? Biggest survey of clams they've ever had.... They even started the season early this year to take advantage of it. The Quinaults are shut down and they are part of the management and testing regime. You think they want to be shut down? Or do you think they are part of some conspiracy? Good grief.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 03, 2021, 01:59:15 PM
I know my memory is bad but at 51 I don't ever recall closures this long due to acid levels.This isn't the first time that Domoic Acid levels and PSP have been high for almost an entire clamming season. Covid or no Covid... you don't want to eat tainted clams or crabs.
Gary
Yeah, if history is an indicator, it could be around for much longer than any of us want to think about.
2002 was one I believe and 2015ish was another.
Gary
Go back farther and it was NIX....... Nuclear Inclusion X.
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on February 03, 2021, 03:19:23 PM
I do not trust the state with its Domoic acid testing. Why all the local differences from time to time.? Are all the beaches being tested at the same labs, by the same technicians, using the same methodology? Correctly?
Or do the sometimes widely varying numbers/trends just indicate the sample is being tested by some "newbie", using the wrong reagent/chemistry/procedure?
Or that the state finds this an easy way to manipulate the masses....???
My BS indicator always beeps when this testing comes up.
You really think the State doesn't want the beaches open? Biggest survey of clams they've ever had.... They even started the season early this year to take advantage of it. The Quinaults are shut down and they are part of the management and testing regime. You think they want to be shut down? Or do you think they are part of some conspiracy? Good grief.
I do not know why they wouldn't want the beaches open. I suspect there is no conspiracy. All I know is my BS indicator beeped. Just sayin.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 03, 2021, 03:23:07 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on February 03, 2021, 04:55:05 PM
Post by: Stein on February 03, 2021, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 03, 2021, 05:44:31 PM
There must be some type of fishery going on out of Westport. I check the Westport Live Web cam quite a bit and see what appears to be crabbers going out and coming every couple of days. Just watched one come in a few minutes ago. I've seen as many as 5 out there at one time heading for the deep blue. Damned if I know. :dunno:
Could be boats that fish Oregon. Maybe they are running crab up to Westport to deliver.
Post by: brew on February 03, 2021, 06:06:55 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on February 04, 2021, 08:31:42 AM
I know my memory is bad but at 51 I don't ever recall closures this long due to acid levels.This isn't the first time that Domoic Acid levels and PSP have been high for almost an entire clamming season. Covid or no Covid... you don't want to eat tainted clams or crabs.
Gary
Yeah, if history is an indicator, it could be around for much longer than any of us want to think about.
2002 was one I believe and 2015ish was another.
Gary
Go back farther and it was NIX....... Nuclear Inclusion X.
Oh there are more lengthy season closures due to toxins if you go further into the archives... just didn't feel the need to post them all. :)
Gary
Post by: Encore 280 on February 04, 2021, 09:22:55 AM
Post by: msg on February 04, 2021, 09:59:07 AM
Post by: lastmk8 on February 04, 2021, 11:23:17 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 04, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Doesn't seem very cost affective to me to be running from Westport all the way to Oregon and back to Westport to deliver crab unless they're getting a really really good price for the product. Something fishy going on. :chuckle:
Chuckle all you want, It's closer to Oregon from Westport than is it to Kalaloch, let alone La Push Or Cape Flattery. In fact from Westport, it's not much farther to Oregon than it is to Taholah. The distance from Westport to La Push is about equal distance as Westport to Nehalem, Oregon, and Tillamook isn't much farther. And from Tillamook, it's about 50 more miles to Newport. Newport to Westport is about 150 miles or less than a day's run for most crab boats. If you pack 50,000 lbs of crab and you have a market in Westport that will pay you 50 cent a lb more than you can get in Newport, believe me, you will run your crab to Westport. That's $25,000 more for your load. And the crew likes it because they make more money and get some sleep while trading off on wheel watches. It happens a lot.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 04, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
:yeah:Doesn't seem very cost affective to me to be running from Westport all the way to Oregon and back to Westport to deliver crab unless they're getting a really really good price for the product. Something fishy going on. :chuckle:
Chuckle all you want, It's closer to Oregon from Westport than is it to Kalaloch, let alone La Push Or Cape Flattery. In fact from Westport, it's not much farther to Oregon than it is to Taholah. The distance from Westport to La Push is about equal distance as Westport to Nehalem, Oregon, and Tillamook isn't much farther. And from Tillamook, it's about 50 more miles to Newport. Newport to Westport is about 150 miles or less than a day's run for most crab boats. If you pack 50,000 lbs of crab and you have a market in Westport that will pay you 50 cent a lb more than you can get in Newport, believe me, you will run your crab to Westport. That's $25,000 more for your load. And the crew likes it because they make more money and get some sleep while trading off on wheel watches. It happens a lot.
It’s no conspiracy, a lot of boats are based at Westport and they got to get some crab up here as well. Crab is the biggest seafood industry in Washington so of course they want to open it up.
They like to have all the coast open at the same time to spread out the effort if possible. If the Oregon and California fisheries close, many of those Crab boats will head here if it opens.
Post by: Encore 280 on February 04, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 05, 2021, 12:15:05 AM
The prices are that much better in Westport than Ilwaco or any of the Oregon ports? :dunno:
Depends on markets. If a cannery up here has certain markets and they don't want to lose them because they aren't fishing up here, they will do what they have to do to get product. If you lose market share, it can be hard to get it back. And if you lose your workforce because they go someplace else because you aren't processing, you may have trouble finding a crew to man your plant when fishing does start up here. It's good to keep your crew working, not to mention your machinery.
I know people who live tank crab on a trailer and haul them to California to sell because there is money in it.
Post by: GWP on February 09, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
They filter/eat differently than razors or crab, so are Ok to eat. Or so I was told by three different biologists.