Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
To what extent do you disagree or agree with each of the following statements?
God’s laws about abortion, pornography, or marriage must be strictly followed before it is too late.
Fox News, right-wing talk radio, or other conservative media outlets should be prohibited from broadcasting their hateful views.
Getting rid of inequality is more important than protecting the so-called “right” to free speech.
Post by: SnakeEyes on June 15, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on June 15, 2021, 01:39:37 PM
Has this been sent out already?
Couple more from #35...
"Getting rid of inequality is more important than protecting the so called "right" to free speech...."
"I cannot imagine myself becoming friends with a political conservative..."
"I hate being around non-progressive people...
"Opposition to affirmative action is, by definition, racist..."
What a clown show if this is legit.
Post by: idaho guy on June 15, 2021, 01:41:24 PM
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 01:43:56 PM
Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Done
Post by: timberfaller on June 15, 2021, 01:48:12 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if WA university's haven't sent some trash out yet, besides what they already have! Worked around a few of them! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idaho guy on June 15, 2021, 01:51:13 PM
Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Done
:tup: perfect
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 01:59:31 PM
Is this real? Its hard to believe that this was really part of this survey. Could someone have modified this to stir up controversy?It's real (I wouldn't post it unless I was sure). I emailed ODFW and asked them to verify it is authentic and here is their response;
"Hello Todd,
My colleague forwarded me your email question regarding the recently mailed out Marine Areas Attitudes and Perceptions survey being conducted this year, by OSU and ODFW. The survey has been prompting some questions and concerns, particularly questions regarding the inclusion of certain survey questions (namely questions 35 and 36) and which portions of the survey pertain to ODFW’s evaluation of marine reserves and which are solely for academic research (and will not be included in ODFW’s analysis or reports). We have developed the attached FAQ to help answer questions about the current survey and provide additional sources of information. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow up questions I can try to answer."
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
Ya, beginning question #33 the rails get lost. Not super impressed with any of it, really. It feesl like one of those backdoor surveys from when I was in school where teacher's were trying to get dirt on our family.
Has this been sent out already?
Couple more from #35...
"Getting rid of inequality is more important than protecting the so called "right" to free speech...."
"I cannot imagine myself becoming friends with a political conservative..."
"I hate being around non-progressive people...
"Opposition to affirmative action is, by definition, racist..."
What a clown show if this is legit.
It is legit and it has been sent out.
Post by: Special T on June 15, 2021, 02:10:06 PM
Post by: silverdalesauer on June 15, 2021, 02:15:58 PM
Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Someone should send it to Project Veritas as a news tip. Heck, they're doing an expose on Fox News Corp now.
This is crazy. Absolute clown world.
Post by: idaho guy on June 15, 2021, 02:17:39 PM
Is this real? Its hard to believe that this was really part of this survey. Could someone have modified this to stir up controversy?It's real (I wouldn't post it unless I was sure). I emailed ODFW and asked them to verify it is authentic and here is their response;
"Hello Todd,
My colleague forwarded me your email question regarding the recently mailed out Marine Areas Attitudes and Perceptions survey being conducted this year, by OSU and ODFW. The survey has been prompting some questions and concerns, particularly questions regarding the inclusion of certain survey questions (namely questions 35 and 36) and which portions of the survey pertain to ODFW’s evaluation of marine reserves and which are solely for academic research (and will not be included in ODFW’s analysis or reports). We have developed the attached FAQ to help answer questions about the current survey and provide additional sources of information. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow up questions I can try to answer."
I have a question WHY??? and WHAT do they intend to do with the answers. Thanks for posting I hope the media grabs onto this
Post by: Jake Dogfish on June 15, 2021, 02:23:49 PM
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 02:31:49 PM
Is their a link to take the survey?None that I can find. I believe the survey was mailed out.
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
I will check out Project Veritas. Never heard of it.Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Someone should send it to Project Veritas as a news tip. Heck, they're doing an expose on Fox News Corp now.
This is crazy. Absolute clown world.
Post by: Special T on June 15, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
Is this real? Its hard to believe that this was really part of this survey. Could someone have modified this to stir up controversy?It's real (I wouldn't post it unless I was sure). I emailed ODFW and asked them to verify it is authentic and here is their response;
"Hello Todd,
My colleague forwarded me your email question regarding the recently mailed out Marine Areas Attitudes and Perceptions survey being conducted this year, by OSU and ODFW. The survey has been prompting some questions and concerns, particularly questions regarding the inclusion of certain survey questions (namely questions 35 and 36) and which portions of the survey pertain to ODFW’s evaluation of marine reserves and which are solely for academic research (and will not be included in ODFW’s analysis or reports). We have developed the attached FAQ to help answer questions about the current survey and provide additional sources of information. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow up questions I can try to answer."
I'd never fill out a survey like this was it seems to have been mailed to homes. It also appears to me that these folks are either dumb or intentially trying to skew the results.
That said if they are Dumb or ignorant what they might be trying to gauge his political leaning and intensity. I can think of other ways to gauge this, and a couple of the previous questions were a start.
Post by: Special T on June 15, 2021, 02:37:04 PM
I will check out Project Veritas. Never heard of it.Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Someone should send it to Project Veritas as a news tip. Heck, they're doing an expose on Fox News Corp now.
This is crazy. Absolute clown world.
I envy your sheltered life...
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 02:39:38 PM
I will check out Project Veritas. Never heard of it.Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Someone should send it to Project Veritas as a news tip. Heck, they're doing an expose on Fox News Corp now.
This is crazy. Absolute clown world.
I envy your sheltered life...
Ignorance is bliss
Post by: Special T on June 15, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
I will check out Project Veritas. Never heard of it.Holy SHEET! That is scary-someone should send it to fox news they will have a hay day with that one :chuckle:
Someone should send it to Project Veritas as a news tip. Heck, they're doing an expose on Fox News Corp now.
This is crazy. Absolute clown world.
I envy your sheltered life...
Ignorance is bliss
Be careful the only place you can undo the Redpill is the matrix!
Post by: Skillet on June 15, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
Is this real? Its hard to believe that this was really part of this survey. Could someone have modified this to stir up controversy?It's real (I wouldn't post it unless I was sure). I emailed ODFW and asked them to verify it is authentic and here is their response;
"Hello Todd,
My colleague forwarded me your email question regarding the recently mailed out Marine Areas Attitudes and Perceptions survey being conducted this year, by OSU and ODFW. The survey has been prompting some questions and concerns, particularly questions regarding the inclusion of certain survey questions (namely questions 35 and 36) and which portions of the survey pertain to ODFW’s evaluation of marine reserves and which are solely for academic research (and will not be included in ODFW’s analysis or reports). We have developed the attached FAQ to help answer questions about the current survey and provide additional sources of information. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow up questions I can try to answer."
I'm curious to hear what they have to say in the FAQ they sent you to explain the inclusion of these questions... Could you share that with us?
Post by: Griiz on June 15, 2021, 03:24:47 PM
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 03:47:06 PM
Your wish is my command. See attached.Is this real? Its hard to believe that this was really part of this survey. Could someone have modified this to stir up controversy?It's real (I wouldn't post it unless I was sure). I emailed ODFW and asked them to verify it is authentic and here is their response;
"Hello Todd,
My colleague forwarded me your email question regarding the recently mailed out Marine Areas Attitudes and Perceptions survey being conducted this year, by OSU and ODFW. The survey has been prompting some questions and concerns, particularly questions regarding the inclusion of certain survey questions (namely questions 35 and 36) and which portions of the survey pertain to ODFW’s evaluation of marine reserves and which are solely for academic research (and will not be included in ODFW’s analysis or reports). We have developed the attached FAQ to help answer questions about the current survey and provide additional sources of information. Please feel free to reach out if you have any follow up questions I can try to answer."
I'm curious to hear what they have to say in the FAQ they sent you to explain the inclusion of these questions... Could you share that with us?
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
The WDFW survey from a few years ago had some questions (nothing as far out as those) that weren't applicable to the survey topic. I wondered if they were trying to figure out what license holders they should poll or send a survey to to get the data outcome they wanted for presenting to the board. Scary what is going on.
Yeah, the reason I posted it was because the questions were so far out there. I can't see how any of that is relevant to fish and wildlife work.
Post by: bigmacc on June 15, 2021, 06:56:39 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on June 15, 2021, 07:43:57 PM
Just wow! If this is real, should open a lot of eyes of the folks who have claimed there is no such thing as a “leftist agenda”going on in our country as we speak. I am one of them, never been big on conspiracy’s, from either side, I have always been a bit on the fence, this knocked me off that fence.How do you know who put those questions there and why? :dunno:
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Just wow! If this is real, should open a lot of eyes of the folks who have claimed there is no such thing as a “leftist agenda”going on in our country as we speak. I am one of them, never been big on conspiracy’s, from either side, I have always been a bit on the fence, this knocked me off that fence.
Unfortunately, it is real. If you will PM me your email address, I will forward the email I received from ODFW
Post by: ucwarden on June 15, 2021, 07:46:55 PM
Just wow! If this is real, should open a lot of eyes of the folks who have claimed there is no such thing as a “leftist agenda”going on in our country as we speak. I am one of them, never been big on conspiracy’s, from either side, I have always been a bit on the fence, this knocked me off that fence.How do you know who put those questions there and why? :dunno:
The attached is the explanation ODFW sent me to explain why. If you understand it, let me know.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on June 15, 2021, 07:57:18 PM
Post by: Southpole on June 15, 2021, 08:10:28 PM
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2021, 07:43:02 AM
I have seen may questions about "why are they asking these inflammatory questions?" After reading the survey and FAQ's I see their "logic" or at least the cover story, they are using for their questions.
OSU is trying to prove a hypothesis around political orientation, and favor for or against the Marine Conservation effort the survey is asking about.
To accomplish this they need to know the political orientation of the responders. Rather than use a self-assessment question, they decided to ask the most flaming, polarizing (and liberal I might add) questions possible to get people to react and put themselves firmly into a camp (conservative, Liberal, or moderate). So they are not interested in the answers to the questions directly, they want to see the reaction so they can classify the responder as conservative, liberal or moderate.
OSU will then take the responses, and segregate them by political group and look for trends to prove/disprove their hypothesis.
Personally I think this is pure garbage and would boycott the survey. I am sure OSU will use the results to further a political agenda which is something I think they have no business doing. It is disappointing that a government agency would allow such garbage to ride on the coattails of a study, but I suppose I am not surprised. Very little surprises me these days.
Post by: ganghis on June 16, 2021, 08:10:26 AM
The grad student who made those questions obviously wanted to categorize people as extremely liberal, moderate (large swath here), or extremely conservative and didn't feel that people would be honest with their self assessment. Not exactly sure why there was interest in relating political spectrum to attitudes about marine protected areas - sounds kind of dumb to me, but not something that is indicative of a massive OSU/ODFW conspiracy.
Post by: idaho guy on June 16, 2021, 09:42:38 AM
I agree that those questions were poorly worded and of dubious merit, but I'm not getting the paranoia here especially given the explanation. These human dimensions people in academic wildlife and fisheries departments are always trying to study people (esp hunters, fishers) to determine trends in attitudes and behavior, presumably with the goal to assist with setting management objectives..
The grad student who made those questions obviously wanted to categorize people as extremely liberal, moderate (large swath here), or extremely conservative and didn't feel that people would be honest with their self assessment. Not exactly sure why there was interest in relating political spectrum to attitudes about marine protected areas - sounds kind of dumb to me, but not something that is indicative of a massive OSU/ODFW conspiracy.
Well said but I still respectfully and totally disagree. Having those questions on a fish and wildlife survey is absurd. It’s definitely to further a political agenda. I’m thinking republicans want to destroy nature and favor dirty air and water for profit. These questions have no place on these types of surveys ever. Also politics shouldn’t be intertwined with any wildlife management. No matter what explanation they have these questions are ridiculous and scary they would go to this level.
Post by: KopperBuck on June 16, 2021, 10:04:41 AM
LOL, got censored by iFish.... That's exactly how this crap continues.
Post by: Special T on June 16, 2021, 10:05:15 AM
FOR THE RECORD - I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LOGIC BELOW, NOR TO I THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE EXERCISE. I FEEL IT IS A TOTAL WASTE OF TAXPAYER/TUITION PAYER MONEY. SO DON'T FLAME ME!!!
I have seen may questions about "why are they asking these inflammatory questions?" After reading the survey and FAQ's I see their "logic" or at least the cover story, they are using for their questions.
OSU is trying to prove a hypothesis around political orientation, and favor for or against the Marine Conservation effort the survey is asking about.
To accomplish this they need to know the political orientation of the responders. Rather than use a self-assessment question, they decided to ask the most flaming, polarizing (and liberal I might add) questions possible to get people to react and put themselves firmly into a camp (conservative, Liberal, or moderate). So they are not interested in the answers to the questions directly, they want to see the reaction so they can classify the responder as conservative, liberal or moderate.
OSU will then take the responses, and segregate them by political group and look for trends to prove/disprove their hypothesis.
Personally I think this is pure garbage and would boycott the survey. I am sure OSU will use the results to further a political agenda which is something I think they have no business doing. It is disappointing that a government agency would allow such garbage to ride on the coattails of a study, but I suppose I am not surprised. Very little surprises me these days.
:yeah:
Post by: ucwarden on June 16, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
Well I posted it up over on iFish (an OR fishing board) and the thread was removed because it was too "inflammatory". In the post, I attached the survey, attached screenshots from the survey, and asked why is it necessary.I wonder which part of the thread they felt was too inflammatory; the questions on the survey form, or your posting it?
LOL, got censored by iFish.... That's exactly how this crap continues.
Post by: OutHouse on June 18, 2021, 12:51:49 PM
To me it's clear they want to be able to make extrapolations as to what type of person thinks a certain way about the marine environment topic or whatever it's about. I agree though it seems pretty out of place