Post by: Birdguy on July 09, 2021, 07:56:01 PM
Post by: JKEEN33 on July 09, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
Post by: MADMAX on July 09, 2021, 08:11:53 PM
I keep one on my kill switch cord :twocents:
Post by: Brushcrawler on July 09, 2021, 08:17:41 PM
Post by: Birdguy on July 09, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
We are going to buy some "salt away" tomorrow as we hear that may work.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 09, 2021, 08:57:23 PM
Keep em coming! We tried the pipe cleaner, we used weed whacker string and got about 18 inches up from the bottom and about only 8 inches from the top side(seems we hit a corner). The air came out but not through the other end.
We are going to buy some "salt away" tomorrow as we hear that may work.
Most of the big outboards have a plug next to the thermostat housing. If you remove it does water come out?
Post by: Crunchy on July 09, 2021, 09:11:31 PM
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Post by: Dirty Mike on July 09, 2021, 09:29:52 PM
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Post by: Kola16 on July 09, 2021, 09:39:46 PM
Like others have said though, it sounds like a clog. Some are hard to get out, but most get out by shooting highly compressed air into the outlet.
Whats the serial number on the engine so we can look up a parts diagram of the cooling system?
Post by: Kola16 on July 09, 2021, 09:53:01 PM
Hey Birdguy don't you live close to me? Shoot me a PM before you take it in if you're interested. Free of course!
Post by: Birdguy on July 09, 2021, 10:22:13 PM
Also, if it won't pee on the hose then it definitely won't pee in the water. How does it run? Is it still cooling? Does it start to sputter after running it for a while? If it is running fine without sputtering or excessive smoke out of the exhaust, then it is getting cooled, which is good.
Hey Birdguy don't you live close to me? Shoot me a PM before you take it in if you're interested. Free of course!
PM sent :tup:
Post by: cohocrazy on July 10, 2021, 05:04:12 AM
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Post by: MIKEXRAY on July 11, 2021, 08:12:35 AM
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 11, 2021, 10:48:59 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 11, 2021, 02:37:52 PM
I have had a 40hp that was difficult to get to pee on muffs, and had to be submerged. Replaced an impeller, pump, and thermostat on it and could not get it to pee ever on muffs. Put it in a stock tank and she purred like a kitten and pissed like an old man
This is actually pretty common.
Post by: Hilltop123 on July 11, 2021, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 11, 2021, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: Birdguy on July 11, 2021, 07:20:06 PM
Post by: Crunchy on July 11, 2021, 07:36:47 PM
We will check the impeller again, it is the same size and make as the one we took out (bought at a Suzuki dealer). Yes, the pin is in and lined up correctly. I think with the pin it can only go in one way as the channel for the pin does not go all the way through so it really only goes one way. We started with pulling the plug out of the out port and ensuring things were clear as far as we could push the weed eater string in. Same for the pick up when we had the lower end off. If we had something plug or break it is in above the pick up in the mid section of the motor where we cannot see. We are considering dragging it to a lake to see if submersion changes things. It is just another annoying punch in the face this summer. At some point it has to get better.
you know that the vanes have to be going in the right direction or it will not pump water.
Post by: Wingin it on July 11, 2021, 07:46:59 PM
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Post by: Broomd on July 11, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
Check the piss tube, right at the opening. Leaf cutter bee's and Mud dabbers love to plug the piss tube on my 150.Yep, wife and I went out to swim on CDA Lake last week and the duabers had plugged our pee exit tube.
Dug it out with a wire, and a small grub larva popped out of the tube with the mud. Peeing good as new after finding issue.
Just don't run too long with no pee, you'll burn up impeller.
Post by: HntnFsh on July 12, 2021, 05:48:50 AM
If running off muffs You have to block a vent. I think its under the cavitation plate.
Post by: birddogdad on July 12, 2021, 07:47:28 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 12, 2021, 09:51:53 AM
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 12, 2021, 10:17:13 AM
So a pretty weak stream but what seems like every hour or so? :chuckle:
Well all day long, but stream was solid. Maybe drink more coffee? 😂
Post by: Kola16 on July 12, 2021, 11:07:05 AM
Sorry long weekend of fishing. Replied!Also, if it won't pee on the hose then it definitely won't pee in the water. How does it run? Is it still cooling? Does it start to sputter after running it for a while? If it is running fine without sputtering or excessive smoke out of the exhaust, then it is getting cooled, which is good.
Hey Birdguy don't you live close to me? Shoot me a PM before you take it in if you're interested. Free of course!
PM sent :tup:
Plenty of misinformation on here.
Well only three other options.Many more...
Wired incorrectly?There are no electrical components to the cooling system.
Just don't run too long with no pee, you'll burn up impeller.Not true. The impeller only needs water to not burn up and it is getting that with the muffs. Impellers can be burnt up in seconds it does not take "too long."
Another thing to check is if there are zincs in the water jacket and rectifier plate area. There may be up to 4 of them (I think there are only 2 though) and they corrode and crumble over time. You may have some crumbles blocking a passageway.
https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=74 (https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=74)
https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=51 (https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=51)
Also, take the lower unit off and electrical tape or duct tape your garden hose to the pickup tube. Turn the garden hose on. See where the water comes out with water hoses leading to the thermostat disconnected and directed out of the cowling. We need to confirm that the block is getting cooled and we need to figure out if it is a clog or if the pump is not functioning/missing parts (https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=57 (https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=57)).
https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=59 (https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/bp_AP_AssemblyDetail.asp?ID=59)
Post by: Kola16 on July 14, 2021, 02:01:56 PM
And for everyone else, the serial number is 14001F-422077
This site gives all of the part diagrams for the engine.
https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/suzuki/df140/01.asp
The second image is all of the parts of the water pump. Parts 6, 7, and 8 are easy to forget to reinstall and if forgotten, will not pump water...same with flipping the impeller backwards...
Post by: HntnFsh on July 14, 2021, 02:15:13 PM
Post by: Kola16 on July 14, 2021, 02:45:47 PM
That's a Yamaha. His is a Suzuki.It doesn't matter. The anodes are in virtually the same spot. It's just a reference image to show him what they look like.
In the video they are diagnosing a Yamaha too, but they are basically all the same :tup:
Post by: Birdguy on August 07, 2021, 08:58:30 PM
Thank to all who offered ideas and things to check out. Kola16 thank you so much for the time knowledge and assistance, it will pay off for years, my son and I learned so much. We can comfortably do so much more maintenance on it now. For anyone interested, the internal anodes were very much deteriorated and the corrosion inside some of the hoses and cooling system plugged several tight areas so while we found a few early on it was a great deal of digging to actually find and remove it all. So be sure to check your anodes at least yearly. now it is time to go find some FISH!!!
Post by: Alchase on August 08, 2021, 06:32:05 PM
It is amazing what can be learned on this site at times! :tup:
Post by: Birdguy on August 08, 2021, 08:10:24 PM
Thank you for the recap!
It is amazing what can be learned on this site at times! :tup:
That is no lie! I have been around a while and lurked for quite a while before I joined. I never figured I would need the help I did, and was certainly more than pleased with what I received! And I agree that the follow up on some things on here is often neglected. There were plenty of folks who offered suggestions and I appreciated it because I had no idea. Anyone who took a few minutes to offer assistance I figured deserves to know we were successful and my situation may help someone else one day :tup:.