Post by: Drifterat on July 26, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
TIA
Post by: jrebel on July 26, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
Buy with confidence, they are great scopes for the price. I also have a NSX and it is nice but way more money.
Sportsman’s has them in stock and most nightforce scopes are fixed price meaning you typically don’t find better deals by shopping around. Well in less you know someone…lol.
Post by: spoonman on July 26, 2021, 07:22:37 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on July 27, 2021, 05:33:02 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2021, 06:30:58 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 07:52:18 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 08:33:26 AM
Post by: Drifterat on July 27, 2021, 08:48:47 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 08:56:46 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 09:05:52 AM
I think karl is right 10 moa per revolution. Id personally spend the few hundo extra and go nxs, or if budget is tight, id rather have a ziess v4 than a shv. :twocents::yeah:
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 09:36:16 AM
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 09:54:06 AM
I think people aren't getting what I'm saying. Not ten moa of come up, 10 moa per revolution of the turret.
Yes I understand….just don’t see it as a negative.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
not necessarily a negative but being able to dial your effective range while staying within a full rev is better. Couldn't see a valid argument against that theory.I think people aren't getting what I'm saying. Not ten moa of come up, 10 moa per revolution of the turret.
Yes I understand….just don’t see it as a negative.
Post by: spoonman on July 27, 2021, 10:46:01 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2021, 12:40:28 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
I'm out of the loop and don't understand a damn thing you all are yappin about! :chuckle: I love my huskemaw, just dial the yardage and shoot, keep it simple stupid for me!hypothetical here. You have an shv and a zeiss v4. Your shot calls for 17.5 moa come up. With the shv you would dial to 10, and then up another 7.5 moa. With the zeiss you dial to 17.5. Small difference but in the heat of the moment, less math is more better. North of 20 moa then you gotta really start paying attention as you're now off your zero by two full revolutions.
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 12:58:07 PM
6.5 creed - 10 MOA gets me out to 500 yards. 20 MOA to 800 and 30 MOA at 1000.
In most hunting scenarios people will not be making a full revolution. When you have to....adding in 10's is super easy. Again...not trying to be argumentative, just realistic. I own both 10 and 20 moa per revolution scopes and we are really splitting hairs. I can run both with ease and think other than preference, there is no advantage or disadvantage to either.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 01:06:17 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 01:15:39 PM
Guy asked for opinions so I gave it. Once again, gun to your head, same exact scopes, but one is a 10 turret and one is a 20 turret and you can only pick one. Guarantee everyone picks the 20.
Your a hard charger on your opinion.....So am I...and I would say for the guy just getting into this style of scope (ie posting on a hunting forum asking about the SHV), looking to shot 1000 yards.....your wrong. But that's why I appreciate your opinion Karl....you have one and you stick to it. :tup: Nothing personal, just a little sporting at times.
I think this post offers a lot of good insight and the OP should be able to make an informed decision. I have and shoot 4 SHV's and like them equally as well as my more expensive NSX. For the money savings...a guy can learn to count by 10. ;) Not to mention the SHV has graduations on the turret body that will actually tell you when you make a full revolution so you don't have to wonder what revolution your on, in the instance you have to dial 40 MOA for that 1.5 mile shot across county lines. Poking fun is all.....nothing personal. :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 01:29:31 PM
I still want an answer, gun to your head, 10 moa turret or a 20 moa turret. Can't have both :chuckle:
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
Ha! Pot meet kettle j :chuckle: I get the argument but he wanted opinions but also alternatives. There's alternates to the shv with the same or more features for the same price point or less (though few). And let's be real, this may be "hunting-washington" but its definitely not a hunting forum. Theres as much or more shooting, fishing, politics, etc talk as there is hunting.
I still want an answer, gun to your head, 10 moa turret or a 20 moa turret. Can't have both :chuckle:
Unlimited funds for any scope I can buy?? I need more information with the "gun to my head" scenario. Just to save my life....I take the less expensive 10 moa turret so I live and keep my money. If money isn't an issue I take the more expensive scopes that don't come in 10 moa so I have to deal with the 20 moa turret (no pros or cons to either except price). Do I want repeatability and reliability or just looking for any scope to save me life? See how this plays out????
Cheap(er) tough as nails, reliable, repeatable, etc....for an entry level scope to introduce someone to dial turrets....It's my opinion the SHV can't be beat. I am clearly biased though...and I have seen other guys spend less or buy other brands and be sorely disappointed with dependability and repeatability. I have yet to hear of anyone complain nightforce is not repeatable with its turrets.
Only downside to the SHV is it's weight. Nightforce is not known for lighter weight scopes, but with weight comes toughness.
Honestly.....I could care less if it were 10 or 20 moa turrets!! You have yet to answer why one is better than the other....with the exception of saying you don't have to go a full revolution to get past 10 moa.
And yes...there are other options out there. I have yet to find one in that price range that compares apples to apples. Another nice feature of the SHV, it has a capped windage turret which protects it from getting bumped or changed if in a scabbard or riding on your back / pack all day long. I never dial windage so I really appreciate that feature.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks :tup:
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2021, 02:16:16 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 02:17:57 PM
Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding. :chuckle:nevermind those pesky atmospheric conditions that can change your poi by feet....
:peep:
Post by: brocka on July 27, 2021, 02:25:59 PM
Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding. :chuckle:nevermind those pesky atmospheric conditions that can change your poi by feet....
:peep:
Um, that's not what the YouTube heroes told me...
Post by: b23 on July 27, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2021, 03:44:57 PM
comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret. :tung:Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding. :chuckle:nevermind those pesky atmospheric conditions that can change your poi by feet....
:peep:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 03:52:02 PM
Wait mr elk! Let me change my turrets! :tung:comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret. :tung:Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding. :chuckle:nevermind those pesky atmospheric conditions that can change your poi by feet....
:peep:
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2021, 03:55:43 PM
karl can’t hike 3,000 ft in elevation in a month much less one day! :chuckle: plus, he’s an elk racist!!Wait mr elk! Let me change my turrets! :tung:comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret. :tung:Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding. :chuckle:nevermind those pesky atmospheric conditions that can change your poi by feet....
:peep:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
Its a hypothetical. Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?
I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks :tup:
For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes. I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret. I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret. I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter. That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical. Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better??
You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it? You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm??? They all taste the same.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Half turn is better, and m&ms is easy too. Its green. Theyre the best ones.Its a hypothetical. Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?
I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks :tup:
For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes. I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret. I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret. I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter. That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical. Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better??
You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it? You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm??? They all taste the same.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 27, 2021, 04:17:09 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 27, 2021, 04:20:18 PM
Green M&M's suck.Do you even M&M bro!?!?
:chuckle:
Post by: Timberstalker on July 27, 2021, 04:21:16 PM
Bro. SMH
Post by: Stein on July 27, 2021, 04:22:30 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 27, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
thats not an answer sir :chuckle: the question is 10 or 20 not whether you are indifferent or not. Lets put it another way. You're the guy in charge of designing the shv line. You've got two options for turrets, a 10 and a 20. Obviously not gonna manufacture two different styles and the manufacturing cost is identical. Which one are you gonna put on the shv?Its a hypothetical. Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?
I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks :tup:
For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes. I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret. I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret. I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter. That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical. Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better??
You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it? You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm??? They all taste the same.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 28, 2021, 05:59:50 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 28, 2021, 07:03:03 AM
Can we ask them to offer a 15 MOA model, to settle this dispute?haha! Ive got an old leupold mrk4 with a 15moa turret thats easily dialed 10k shots on a dozen rifles or more. Just don't tell the internet because the mrk4's aren't supposed to hold zero or track :chuckle:
Post by: huntandjeep on July 30, 2021, 08:53:04 AM
I'm still rocking 2 Mrk 4s on a couple long range rifles . They just flat work ..Can we ask them to offer a 15 MOA model, to settle this dispute?haha! Ive got an old leupold mrk4 with a 15moa turret thats easily dialed 10k shots on a dozen rifles or more. Just don't tell the internet because the mrk4's aren't supposed to hold zero or track :chuckle:
Post by: Jason on August 16, 2021, 08:50:37 PM
thats not an answer sir :chuckle: the question is 10 or 20 not whether you are indifferent or not. Lets put it another way. You're the guy in charge of designing the shv line. You've got two options for turrets, a 10 and a 20. Obviously not gonna manufacture two different styles and the manufacturing cost is identical. Which one are you gonna put on the shv?Its a hypothetical. Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?
Bringing this one back to the top so we may be able to get some closure. Or not. :chuckle:
I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks :tup:
For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes. I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret. I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret. I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter. That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical. Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better??
You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it? You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm??? They all taste the same.