Post by: Jpmiller on August 07, 2021, 12:15:02 PM
As I got up to leave I heard a huff at me and froze. About five seconds later I see a bear go crashing back into the timber from.the very edge of the brushy opening surrounding the landing. Oh my was that exciting. No chance at a shot but I'm still jazzed about it. I'm now 100% on calling in bears.... But let's chalk that up to dumb luck :chuckle:
Heres where I wouldn't mind some guidance. I'm assuming the bear was there for a little while trying to scope out what was going on instead of bursting right out into the open? Next time should I try to set up in the timber near the opening, a hundred yards away from the opening, or would a more competent caller have got that bear all riled up and he would have charged right in if he hadn't been wondering what the heck that noise was?
Do you guys typically give it a few minutes after you "give up" calling to see if anything is still coming or do they lose interest when the noise stops?
I'm not in love with this area as there seems to be a parade of dirt bikes, SxS and 4runmers but I want to keep after calling that was fantastic. Thanks for the help in my other thread and if any of you can pass on any advice thanks for that too!
Post by: jrebel on August 07, 2021, 12:38:52 PM
My son was jazzed (he turns 12 this month) so the next couple stops required us to call. Nothing showed on those two calling set ups.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 07, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
The other thing I thought about is that I was there for probably ten minutes or so before I started calling. Does waiting a bit and letting things settle down matter at all?
Post by: Jingles on August 07, 2021, 04:58:44 PM
Post by: Cougartail on August 07, 2021, 05:56:12 PM
Don't know what others will say and or do but even when I calling the smaller predators I give it a few minutes for things to settle down before I start any calling sequences
I do the same. With coyotes and bobcats I spray the area with fox urine or a good lure and give it time to blow around.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 07, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on August 07, 2021, 07:04:01 PM
Is a lure like that effective or legal for bear?
I would assume it falls under baiting
Post by: Cougartail on August 07, 2021, 07:29:38 PM
Is a lure like that effective or legal for bear?
Lure is illegal for bears. Urine is questionable? Attracts bears? Covers your scent which is good.
Post by: jrebel on August 07, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Maybe @bigtex could clarify??
Post by: brew on August 07, 2021, 07:53:50 PM
Unlawful practices—Black bear baiting—Exceptions—Illegal hunting—Use of dogs—Exceptions—Penalties.
(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the killing of black bear with the aid of bait by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the establishment and operation of feeding stations for black bear in order to prevent damage to commercial timberland.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of bait to attract black bear for scientific purposes.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
(2) Notwithstanding RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to hunt or pursue black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the hunting of black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety. A dog or dogs may be used by the owner or tenant of real property consistent with a permit issued and conditioned by the director.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the pursuit, capture and relocation, of black bear, cougar, or bobcat for scientific purposes.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the killing of black bear, cougar, or bobcat, for the protection of a state and/or federally listed threatened or endangered species.
(d) Nothing in this subsection may be construed to prohibit nonlethal pursuit training of dogs by persons selected through the process established in RCW 77.12.077 for future use for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, the commission may authorize the use of dogs only in selected areas within a game management unit to address a public safety need presented by one or more cougar. This authority may only be exercised after the commission has determined that no other practical alternative to the use of dogs exists, and after the commission has adopted rules describing the conditions in which dogs may be used. Conditions that may warrant the use of dogs within a game management unit include, but are not limited to, confirmed cougar/human safety incidents, confirmed cougar/livestock and cougar/pet depredations, and the number of cougar capture attempts and relocations.
(4) A person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. In addition to appropriate criminal penalties, the department shall revoke the hunting license of a person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section and order the suspension of wildlife hunting privileges for a period of five years following the revocation. Following a subsequent violation of subsection (1) or (2) of this section by the same person, a hunting license shall not be issued to the person at any time.
[ 2019 c 226 § 2; 2005 c 1
subsection 1D talks about "baiting" bears. If you're willing to go to court and fight your "cover" scent is not an attractant if some law jockey :llam: writes you a ticket for using/possessing it do your thing. Once again i go back to when we taught hunter Ed and a section of the class was to have a fish & wildlife officer come in and talk to the students. questions were asked and there were some sketchy answers that didn't correlate with the game regs. Made the mistake once of having 2 officers in and they argued for most of the class about what was legal or not. The senior officer finally said, and this is a direct quote, " it's not my job to interpret the law...my job is to write tickets and let the courts sort it out"
Post by: HillHound on August 07, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 07, 2021, 08:39:27 PM
And still do both,glass and call .
That bear might of got an education today .
With that said ,I just don't wanna see you waste your season.
Calling is great ,some are better than other at it,maybe you got the secrect touch. I'm not really sure.
Just remember your there to do both.
Some people get caught up with one area,one method,one way of sealing the deal ,they lose oppertunitty in other methods.
No comment on baiting ,law is what it is.
Goodluck
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2021, 10:46:18 PM
Was someone told otherwise?
Post by: hunter399 on August 08, 2021, 04:15:27 AM
I see no issue with urine, it's not an attractive.Well if your using it to attract or hunt bear .. . ....
Was someone told otherwise?
I think it might be ........
You can take a 💩 in the woods and if it attracts bear and you hunt bear there ,where you took poop .
According to the law your baiting.
The way I read the law it can be any substance used to attract or hunt bear with.
Post by: HillHound on August 08, 2021, 06:31:13 AM
Post by: hunter399 on August 08, 2021, 08:34:26 AM
Better stay away from that chunky peanut butter :chuckle:Ya I think there is something about that jif that drives those bear crazy. :chuckle: :tung: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Just want to tell KF that.......
Bear Baiting law is stupid,voted in by stupid people.
If I wasn't on the inter web I would tell ya how I really feel about it. Not something I give two 💩 about.
That's just the way it is.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 08, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
I would definitely take my advise from your other thread .
And still do both,glass and call .
That bear might of got an education today .
With that said ,I just don't wanna see you waste your season.
Calling is great ,some are better than other at it,maybe you got the secrect touch. I'm not really sure.
Just remember your there to do both.
Some people get caught up with one area,one method,one way of sealing the deal ,they lose oppertunitty in other methods.
No comment on baiting ,law is what it is.
Goodluck
Yeah I pretty much plan on going at it by going into an area and calling on my way out more or less. Kind of a last ditch effort except for a real thick brushy spot by my dad's place I know a bear lives in. I do want to get better at calling though to up my odds so keep the advice and experiences coming fellas.
Also I don't think I'll be using a cover scent or anything of the like. Too much of a grey area and one more thing to manage.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 08, 2021, 12:22:10 PM