Post by: oldschool on September 08, 2021, 05:37:31 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 08, 2021, 05:55:33 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on September 08, 2021, 06:01:46 AM
Post by: outdooraddict on September 08, 2021, 06:53:20 AM
Post by: thinkingman on September 08, 2021, 02:06:44 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on September 08, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
do the Indians have to follow the same land closure rules, or are they an "exception"
NO
Post by: outdooraddict on September 08, 2021, 02:17:47 PM
do the Indians have to follow the same land closure rules, or are they an "exception"
NO
no, as in no they do not have to follow the closure, or no, they are not an "exception". i cannot imagine this state making them follow the same rules as others. and if that's the case, well the elk will be in more trouble, cause they wont be pushed around and off the roads by "us less fortunate", i mean the rest of society
Post by: Rainier10 on September 08, 2021, 02:43:11 PM
Post by: Jingles on September 08, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on September 08, 2021, 03:10:46 PM
Native Americans being politically correct will claim sovereign rights and are exempt from the closures and probably have a team of lawyers already lined up and on standby
Post by: outdooraddict on September 08, 2021, 03:21:08 PM
Native Americans being politically correct will claim sovereign rights and are exempt from the closures and probably have a team of lawyers already lined up and on standby
i figured as much, i forgot how oppressed the indians are, i knew better than to think the state would level the playing field
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 08, 2021, 03:30:52 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 08, 2021, 03:38:40 PM
How does a thread about access get turned into this?
Spoiler alert, native americans don't have to follow the same rules.
I do appreciate that a native american chimed in with an answer and didn't stir the pot.
I am pretty sure the OP was not asking about native americans he was asking for himself and it can be tricky depending on your access point. There are a ton of roads into the area and depending on the land manager at that access point access will vary.
Hopefully we can get this back on track?
Post by: Meathunter06 on September 08, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
:DOH:Good idea to get back on track don't wont to upset the indians :dunno:
How does a thread about access get turned into this?
Spoiler alert, native americans don't have to follow the same rules.
I do appreciate that a native american chimed in with an answer and didn't stir the pot.
I am pretty sure the OP was not asking about native americans he was asking for himself and it can be tricky depending on your access point. There are a ton of roads into the area and depending on the land manager at that access point access will vary.
Hopefully we can get this back on track?
Post by: Dan-o on September 08, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
:DOH:Good idea to get back on track don't wont to upset the indians :dunno:
How does a thread about access get turned into this?
Spoiler alert, native americans don't have to follow the same rules.
I do appreciate that a native american chimed in with an answer and didn't stir the pot.
I am pretty sure the OP was not asking about native americans he was asking for himself and it can be tricky depending on your access point. There are a ton of roads into the area and depending on the land manager at that access point access will vary.
Hopefully we can get this back on track?
Again..... the OP asked a question.
There is no need or value in turning into a Native American bashing thread.
Post by: Bone collector 13 on September 08, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on September 08, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
Not a chance that it opens this weekend or until there is considerable moisture
Post by: Caveman123 on September 08, 2021, 09:55:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2021, 07:24:51 AM
I tried to go up last weekend forgetting about the closure. I drove past the sign and thought it looked weird went back and did a double take and saw that it was closed. I went elsewhere. The signs are about the size of a bumper sticker and looked like it didn’t phase the majority of the public. Lots of people going up and down from what I could see. This was at the bottom of Coleman can’t speak for how the other roads are closed. Looked like they were only keeping the honest people honest.
Coleman Canyon should be open for day use since that's all part of the WDFW Colockum Wildlife Area. Yes it's DNR land, but the recreational use is managed by the WDFW.
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2021, 07:38:04 AM
On this map you can see the boundary of the Colockum Wildlife Area. It's a thick, dashed grey line. DNR ownership is colored pink and WDFW ownership is yellow. But as you can see the majority of the DNR ownership is included in the Wildlife Area. And therefore should be open for day use. If there are signs saying it is not open, I would ignore the signs too.
Notice this quote from WDFW says "WDFW-managed lands" and not WDFW land. The DNR land in the Colockum area is managed by the WDFW as a part of the Colockum Wildlife Area.
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Eastern Washington fire restrictions and closures
Most WDFW-managed wildlife areas in Eastern Washington are open for day use only (4 a.m. to 10 p.m.) until further notice. That includes water access areas within wildlife areas, except for a few that remain open to 24-hour use (refer to list below). Water access areas located outside of wildlife areas that allow overnight camping remain open 24 hours.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/wdfw-lands/wildfire#closures
Post by: oldschool on September 09, 2021, 12:20:22 PM
Post by: HillHound on September 09, 2021, 01:25:02 PM
Last time my son tried to go riding up there he said The gate at the first 90° turn was closed and had area closed signs on it. Area closed and Roadblock put up on the next canyon over, probably by the locals. Which would be the same ones patrolling and running anybody out that is going up to attempt to see if it might be open or not. He was told you pass through DNR manage land before you get to the WDFW managed land so essentially they are landlocking the open area from this end of the county. I don’t know if I believe that. Such a stupid patchwork of closures. Not that I want everything closed, but really if this was for fire danger it would all be open or All be closed. Just because Hillary left her desk one day and came over and saw a scary wildfire in Wenatchee everything she had control over had to be shut down. Maybe if she got out more she would realize these are the same conditions we’ve had every year for the last decade. And she’s not really preventing any forest fires by keeping them off this certain square mile of land when the next square mile over is open :bash: :bash: :bash:I tried to go up last weekend forgetting about the closure. I drove past the sign and thought it looked weird went back and did a double take and saw that it was closed. I went elsewhere. The signs are about the size of a bumper sticker and looked like it didn’t phase the majority of the public. Lots of people going up and down from what I could see. This was at the bottom of Coleman can’t speak for how the other roads are closed. Looked like they were only keeping the honest people honest.
Coleman Canyon should be open for day use since that's all part of the WDFW Colockum Wildlife Area. Yes it's DNR land, but the recreational use is managed by the WDFW.
Post by: jstone on September 09, 2021, 04:01:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2021, 06:29:14 PM
What about Reccer Ck Road and lion Rock area
That's National Forest I believe? Should be open.
Post by: Bone collector 13 on September 09, 2021, 08:42:27 PM
There is no science that supports the closure, there is no data that shows they help.Last time my son tried to go riding up there he said The gate at the first 90° turn was closed and had area closed signs on it. Area closed and Roadblock put up on the next canyon over, probably by the locals. Which would be the same ones patrolling and running anybody out that is going up to attempt to see if it might be open or not. He was told you pass through DNR manage land before you get to the WDFW managed land so essentially they are landlocking the open area from this end of the county. I don’t know if I believe that. Such a stupid patchwork of closures. Not that I want everything closed, but really if this was for fire danger it would all be open or All be closed. Just because Hillary left her desk one day and came over and saw a scary wildfire in Wenatchee everything she had control over had to be shut down. Maybe if she got out more she would realize these are the same conditions we’ve had every year for the last decade. And she’s not really preventing any forest fires by keeping them off this certain square mile of land when the next square mile over is open :bash: :bash: :bash:I tried to go up last weekend forgetting about the closure. I drove past the sign and thought it looked weird went back and did a double take and saw that it was closed. I went elsewhere. The signs are about the size of a bumper sticker and looked like it didn’t phase the majority of the public. Lots of people going up and down from what I could see. This was at the bottom of Coleman can’t speak for how the other roads are closed. Looked like they were only keeping the honest people honest.
Coleman Canyon should be open for day use since that's all part of the WDFW Colockum Wildlife Area. Yes it's DNR land, but the recreational use is managed by the WDFW.
Post by: millerwheeler on September 09, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
There is no science that supports the closure, there is no data that shows they help.Last time my son tried to go riding up there he said The gate at the first 90° turn was closed and had area closed signs on it. Area closed and Roadblock put up on the next canyon over, probably by the locals. Which would be the same ones patrolling and running anybody out that is going up to attempt to see if it might be open or not. He was told you pass through DNR manage land before you get to the WDFW managed land so essentially they are landlocking the open area from this end of the county. I don’t know if I believe that. Such a stupid patchwork of closures. Not that I want everything closed, but really if this was for fire danger it would all be open or All be closed. Just because Hillary left her desk one day and came over and saw a scary wildfire in Wenatchee everything she had control over had to be shut down. Maybe if she got out more she would realize these are the same conditions we’ve had every year for the last decade. And she’s not really preventing any forest fires by keeping them off this certain square mile of land when the next square mile over is open :bash: :bash: :bash:I tried to go up last weekend forgetting about the closure. I drove past the sign and thought it looked weird went back and did a double take and saw that it was closed. I went elsewhere. The signs are about the size of a bumper sticker and looked like it didn’t phase the majority of the public. Lots of people going up and down from what I could see. This was at the bottom of Coleman can’t speak for how the other roads are closed. Looked like they were only keeping the honest people honest.
Coleman Canyon should be open for day use since that's all part of the WDFW Colockum Wildlife Area. Yes it's DNR land, but the recreational use is managed by the WDFW.
Does science need to show that a lot of people are ignorant when it comes to dry ground having fires , parking in tall grass doesn’t take science to show these things have happened And do happen a lot because it’s not just hunters trying to get into woods
Post by: Soknarf on September 10, 2021, 09:19:59 AM
What about Reccer Ck Road and lion Rock area
I was camping up there last weekend and there were no road closures that I came across.
The road from Lion rock towards Liberty was in bad condition but Reecer road / Forest Road 35 is well maintained as usual.
Post by: bornhunter on September 10, 2021, 09:55:27 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on September 10, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: Jimmy33 on September 10, 2021, 11:05:32 AM
And on the closure note, Washington is in the habit of closing stuff or telling us no on everything the last couple years. I say go. The game warden cant pursue you anyways…
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Post by: hunt3636223 on September 10, 2021, 12:31:20 PM
We are getting rain for sure…
And on the closure note, Washington is in the habit of closing stuff or telling us no on everything the last couple years. I say go. The game warden cant pursue you anyways…
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Post by: Sutherland on September 10, 2021, 02:51:03 PM
Post by: snowboy157 on September 10, 2021, 03:43:20 PM
WDFW-managed lands in Eastern Washington will reopen to overnight use Sep. 16 with burn ban still in effect
Post by: lemondog on September 10, 2021, 04:28:43 PM
Post by: time2hunt on September 10, 2021, 05:18:43 PM
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