Post by: JeffRaines on September 27, 2021, 04:17:24 PM
Any tips as far as terrain? Slope? Benches? Big timber? Reprod too? I know there’s not really going to be a “cheat code” but there’s gotta be places one can spend time and run higher than average chances of running across a buck.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 27, 2021, 04:25:50 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on September 27, 2021, 04:35:07 PM
Blacktails don’t care if it’s raining, I’ve seen them in the worst down pour you can imagine bedded out in the middle of a clear cut. It’s super noisy then, and they can see long distances front of themselves with the wind at there back.😉
So you’re telling me they’ll be in the same places as the does?
Post by: MADMAX on September 27, 2021, 04:46:54 PM
Pretty much it
Or close by
Post by: JeffRaines on September 27, 2021, 05:08:43 PM
:yeah:
Pretty much it
Or close by
I figured the bucks would be in more secluded areas
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 27, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 27, 2021, 05:16:14 PM
:yeah:
Pretty much it
Or close by
I figured the bucks would be in more secluded areas
This buck was 50 yards off the road in a heavily traveled piece of state land
They are there
Post by: luvmystang67 on September 27, 2021, 05:18:02 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on September 27, 2021, 05:43:06 PM
In my experience if it’s not raining it’s almost a waste of time. Never killed a blacktail when it wasn’t raining.
I agree with the exception of the evening. I find that they more reliably come out during the last hour or so of light. Nothing like when it’s raining of course, but if it’s nice out I won’t even bother hitting the woods until the late afternoon at the earliest.
Post by: JeffRaines on September 27, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
:yeah:
Pretty much it
Or close by
I figured the bucks would be in more secluded areas
This buck was 50 yards off the road in a heavily traveled piece of state land
They are there
Nice buck! Was he in reprod or timber?
I’ve gotta be upfront - while I can find them in reprod and clear cuts I absolutely suck at hunting timber. I feel like every time I set foot in there I get stupider and I get the feeling that I don’t know where I should be looking or going.
Do I just stick to the edges nearest to the adjacent clear cut or reprod? Do I venture deeper in? How deep? Does topography matter?
So many questions.
I’m also asking these questions as it relates to bucks. I feel fairly confident finding does - they’re usually fairly plentiful.
Post by: MADMAX on September 27, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
I’ve shot lots of blacktails walking roads
I like the clear cut edges corners and pinch points
I stump sit walk and glass
Bad weather wind rain is the best
I’ve shot a couple of nice ones but if it’s a 2pt or better I dump em
That buck was heading through a cut to bed
I was walking back to the truck and saw him standing there looking at me
Good luck
You can’t kill them laying on the couch
It’s all time in field
Post by: Ronquillo08 on September 28, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Thanks633 or 627?
I’ve shot lots of blacktails walking roads
I like the clear cut edges corners and pinch points
I stump sit walk and glass
Bad weather wind rain is the best
I’ve shot a couple of nice ones but if it’s a 2pt or better I dump em
That buck was heading through a cut to bed
I was walking back to the truck and saw him standing there looking at me
Good luck
You can’t kill them laying on the couch
It’s all time in field
Post by: kball4 on September 28, 2021, 12:39:53 PM
Post by: Tball77 on September 28, 2021, 06:16:08 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on September 28, 2021, 06:22:33 PM
Usually either in the dense timber you find chanterelles in or on the open timber edges on the reprod side. But they typically stay active when wind is a factor. Windy rainy days are by far the best days to hunt black tail. When trees are blowing down and you know a buck is in the area, find a spot to glass out of the way of a widowmaker and sit down and wait.
What’s the best way to hunt the timber? Hunt the edges?
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 28, 2021, 06:27:10 PM
Most deer don't like the timber in rain/wind because it's to noisy and inhibits a primary sense used to stay alive.
But ...big ole wise bucks will often hunker down. I have bucks on cam that won't leave their deep timber hides except for half dozen days when they go on the prowl for does.
Post by: fishnfur on September 28, 2021, 10:14:17 PM
From all my readings, listening to hunt stories, and general understanding of deer biology and behavior, BT hunting should improve in rainy/windy weather due to the sensory overload that a deer experiences with all the noise assoicated with the massive amount of noise that wind and rain create in the timber.
To expound on fishngamereaper's comments - A deer's primary defense against predators is it's nose/sense of smell. Heavy wind and rain knock down scent particles in the air and heavy prevailing winds reduce a deer's smell to only areas directly upwind. Secondary deer defenses include their sensitive hearing that can pick up on unsusual/potentially threatening sounds in the woods when all is quiet. Their keen eyesight that is extremely sensitive to movement, which also protects them from predators. When the weather is really bad, wind and rain make so much noise in the woods that the deer can no longer use their ears or noses to protect themselve from predators. That leaves only their remaining defense against predators - their eyes.
Their options during a storm are to either stick it out where they are or head to a clearing where they can use their last defense (their eyes) to protect themselves from approaching predators. Their "clearing" options for a buck are either a clearcut, especially in a sheltered spot or on the lee side of a ridge where wind is less, or for some older smarter bucks, they may have a hidden clearing in the woods where trees failed to fill in, leaving a space where the buck can stand when the weather is insane, attempting to use it's eyesight to capture any movement that might indicate an intruder is close. When it gets really windy and limbs are crashing to the ground, I suspect that the deer head for wide open space with no overhead danger (as I do).
Post by: fishnfur on September 28, 2021, 10:22:27 PM
Usually either in the dense timber you find chanterelles in or on the open timber edges on the reprod side. But they typically stay active when wind is a factor. Windy rainy days are by far the best days to hunt black tail. When trees are blowing down and you know a buck is in the area, find a spot to glass out of the way of a widowmaker and sit down and wait.
What’s the best way to hunt the timber? Hunt the edges?
That's what I'd say. No more than 50 - 100 yards inside the timber, preferably above or to the sides of a cut rather than below. Deer tend to bed uphill of their feeding area, so if there is high ground above the cut, that is where deer will normally bed. Bucks may go 400 yards or more to bed. Conversely, doe don't go very far uphill after feeding, leaving them in that magic 50 -100 yard zone just inside the timber. If a buck is looking for a hot doe, it will be traveling/searching through these areas, or just as likely, traveling above them using the rising daytime thermals to carry the scent of a hot doe up to him as he cruises. If thermals are heading downhill, then adjust your strategy accordingly and hope for the best. That's my best answer. I'm not saying it's right, but...