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Title: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: yakimanoob on September 28, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
Legally, there are 5 on one side and 6 on the other (the smaller eye guard on the right side is jjuuuusst barely under an inch). 

But I'm interested to hear what folks call this in every day life - would you look at him and say "hey that's a nice 4x5" or "hey that's a nice 5x6"? 

2021 High Buck
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: yakimanoob on September 28, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
The two-photo attachment limit is silly.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 28, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
I'd call him a 4x5 plus a couple little devil points.  I killed a buck one year that was a straight 4x4 plus eyeguards, and he had a devil point coming off each base.  I just call him a 4pt plus eyeguards. 
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Curly on September 28, 2021, 10:34:41 AM
4x5

Cool rack. :tup:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Ronquillo08 on September 28, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
9 point
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Jingles on September 28, 2021, 10:36:36 AM
Yea WA says an inch but where ever I have been we went with if you can hang a ring on it it counts as a point,  but also depending on the state and age of the hunter (seems a few of us older hunters) eye guards did not count as they are eye guards.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 28, 2021, 10:37:27 AM
4x5 for me. If i'm telling my buddy about that buck I'd probably call him a main frame 4 with a kicker off the drivers side g4
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Jimmy33 on September 28, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
4x5


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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: bigmacc on September 28, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
Yea WA says an inch but where ever I have been we went with if you can hang a ring on it it counts as a point,  but also depending on the state and age of the hunter (seems a few of us older hunters) eye guards did not count as they are eye guards.

 :yeah: We've never counted the eye guards as a point either and like you said jingles we used the "hang a ring on it" deal too concerning a point or not a point but yep, an eye guard is an eye guard so for me thats a dandy 4 by 5 in the picture :tup:

Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: huntnphool on September 28, 2021, 10:49:17 AM
 5x4 :tup:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on September 28, 2021, 11:10:24 AM
If the deer grew it then it counts in my opinion. Personally I want to be descriptive when talking deer so I'm also calling it a 4x5 with eye guards. Depending on the individual id even go further than that like mtnwalker described.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: LongBomb on September 28, 2021, 11:13:06 AM
9 point

You could be banished for this.......... :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: bigmacc on September 28, 2021, 11:14:27 AM
If the deer grew it then it counts in my opinion. Personally I want to be descriptive when talking deer so I'm also calling it a 4x5 with eye guards. Depending on the individual id even go further than that like mtnwalker described.

Na, just call it a 4 by 5 then when someone comes and sees it in person, its a surprise :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: gee_unit360 on September 28, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Hang a ring on it? Was that ever a real thing with the state of Washington? If it’s an inch I count it as a point.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: kselkhunter on September 28, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
I don't really have much of an opinion on how many points to call it by, but congratulations on that buck.  That's a great buck for a high buck hunt given the effort and time involved in those style of hunts.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: bigmacc on September 28, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
Hang a ring on it? Was that ever a real thing with the state of Washington? If it’s an inch I count it as a point.

Its just how we counted points back in the day, if you couldn't hang a ring on it, it wasn't counted and we never counted eye guards , with point restrictions nowadays , do not go by that logic, I repeat, DO NOT GO BY THAT LOGIC. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: hunterednate on September 28, 2021, 11:24:31 AM
4x5. Heck of a buck! Congrats.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: callturner on September 28, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
Of coarse you count eye guards, "what do you call a spike, a no point?" Quote from a B&C scorer.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: JakeLand on September 28, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
We need field pics to really make a correct judgment!!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: downtownbrown0610 on September 28, 2021, 12:19:50 PM
4x5. I would love to be able to hang that euro in my living room. Awesome buck!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: grundy53 on September 28, 2021, 12:20:55 PM
4x5 with eye guards

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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Stein on September 28, 2021, 12:34:05 PM
Count them all, I never understood why eye guards wouldn't count for deer but they do count for elk.  Not having grown up hunting I don't have any historical precedence to worry about.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: dvolmer on September 28, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
4X5. Unless your a Hill-Billy from the south and want to call it a 9 point!  Great buck by the way!!!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Skillet on September 28, 2021, 01:32:10 PM
Only count one side.  A 4x4 is just a 4 point.  If uneven, it's a 4x5, 4x6, etc.
Mule deer = don't count eye guards as points
Blacktail = don't count eyeguards
Whitetail = count eyeguards over 1"
Elk = count eyeguards, unless you're from Pe Ell
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: grundy53 on September 28, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
Count them all, I never understood why eye guards wouldn't count for deer but they do count for elk.  Not having grown up hunting I don't have any historical precedence to worry about.
Where I hunt elk we don't count eye guards on them either.

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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: grundy53 on September 28, 2021, 01:35:00 PM
Only count one side.  A 4x4 is just a 4 point.  If uneven, it's a 4x5, 4x6, etc.
Mule deer = don't count eye guards as points
Blacktail = don't count eyeguards
Whitetail = count eyeguards over 1"
Elk = count eyeguards, unless you're from Pe Ell
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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Ronquillo08 on September 28, 2021, 01:42:27 PM
9 point

You could be banished for this.......... :IBCOOL:

I knew I was going to get some good responses. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Ronquillo08 on September 28, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
4X5. Unless your a Hill-Billy from the south and want to call it a 9 point!  Great buck by the way!!!

Why do we have to all be Hill-Billie's? :tup: :hello:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: KNOPHISH on September 28, 2021, 02:03:24 PM
I have a 4x5 and sometimes say it’s a 4x4 with a kicker.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2021, 02:06:30 PM
Is it yours? If so, call it whichever you want. Nice rack. Got any picks of him on the ground?
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 28, 2021, 02:15:25 PM
Guaranteed if any of you guys shot a buck that was 1 inch shy of the world record you would be calling the 1 " eye guard a POINT.. Looks like a 12 point to me   for the "hillbillies" on here or a 6x6 for those that count antlers the way Boone & Crockett does.  Kicker..sticker..Junk...trash..eye guard...It's still a POINT..........
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Igor on September 28, 2021, 02:21:13 PM
When Boone and Crockett scores a mule deer, eye guards over 1" are scored as points.  I have a 4x5 with eye guards, which was scored by B&C as a 5x6.

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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: salt n sage90 on September 28, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
I would call it a 4x5 with eye guards, however if you are reporting on WDFW website I would call it a 5x6 as technically the eye guards count. If you shoot a 2x3 where the 3rd point is an eye guard you would most definitely report it as such, otherwise you would be typing in you had shot a 2x2...
so legally its a 5x6, to me its an awesome high hunt trophy! Congrats.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: greenhead_killer on September 28, 2021, 03:35:27 PM
I’ve always gone by md it’s a such and such frame w/eyeguards. Whitetails, all included
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: yakimanoob on September 28, 2021, 04:04:54 PM
Thanks for the responses!  My gut instinct is to call it a 4x5 with eye guards, which seems in line with the majority opinion on the matter.  Very interesting to know that B&C would call it a 5x6 though. 

Here's the buck on the ground.  He was an old fella, but a healthy one.  Despite having a fairly big body overall and plenty of fat, it was neat to see how much bigger and stronger his 2x2 buddy looked standing next to him. 
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 28, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
I had a 4x3   2 year old mulie. Last year he had a spike x two.  His 3 year old half brother is only a 2 point..and has had 2 point antlers two years in a row...Of course the 4x3 was killed opening archery by a neighbor...they get a third point around here and they are dead.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Dan-o on September 28, 2021, 04:17:35 PM
Great buck from the high hunt, Mr.   Noob.     :tup: :tup:

Way to get after it.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on September 28, 2021, 04:31:16 PM
5X4 with eye guards.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: emac on September 28, 2021, 05:44:13 PM
4x5 with eyeguards.  I like to know what's up top when talking antlers.  My buddy would call that a 6x6.  I always ask if that is up top or if that is including eyeguards.

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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 28, 2021, 06:13:59 PM
4x5 with eyeguards.  I like to know what's up top when talking antlers.  My buddy would call that a 6x6.  I always ask if that is up top or if that is including eyeguards.

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Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: jbeaumont21 on September 28, 2021, 07:44:46 PM
11 point buck.  Nice one!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: boneaddict on September 28, 2021, 08:16:01 PM
5x4
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: fishnfur on September 28, 2021, 09:22:29 PM
Only count one side.  A 4x4 is just a 4 point.  If uneven, it's a 4x5, 4x6, etc.
Mule deer = don't count eye guards as points
Blacktail = don't count eyeguards
Whitetail = count eyeguards over 1"
Elk = count eyeguards, unless you're from Pe Ell
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I might be mistaken.  Seems like back in the day, BT and Mule Deer bucks were "named" by the side that had the most points.  If it had eyeguards, then that was an additional qualifier.  In the case of your buck, if you called it a five point with eyeguards, I'd know that it had at least five points on one side, and eyeguards, which gives a bit more prestige then calling it a 5 by four with eyeguards.  Calling it an eleven point just tells me that your hunt Whitetail.   

Nice buck man!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: idaho guy on September 28, 2021, 09:50:38 PM
Another vote for 4  by 5 we have never counted eyegaurds on mule deer. But definitely count them on whitetail.
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: teanawayslayer on September 28, 2021, 11:24:27 PM
Thanks for the responses!  My gut instinct is to call it a 4x5 with eye guards, which seems in line with the majority opinion on the matter.  Very interesting to know that B&C would call it a 5x6 though. 

Here's the buck on the ground.  He was an old fella, but a healthy one.  Despite having a fairly big body overall and plenty of fat, it was neat to see how much bigger and stronger his 2x2 buddy looked standing next to him.
old buck? Did you send in teeth? I would peg that deer a 3 year old all day long. Just curious, he does not look like a mature buck. Not bashing your harvest. Every buck you harvest on the high hunt is a trophy in my book!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: trophyhunt on September 29, 2021, 06:42:59 AM
Another vote for 4  by 5 we have never counted eyegaurds on mule deer. But definitely count them on whitetail.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: Watimberghost on September 29, 2021, 07:48:03 AM
I call him a 4x5 with eye guards. I also call that a great high hunt buck! Well done!
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 29, 2021, 08:55:46 AM
I'd tell my buddies I got a 4x5 with a couple small kickers at the base. Either way its a nice buck :tup:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2021, 09:53:38 AM
Thanks for the responses!  My gut instinct is to call it a 4x5 with eye guards, which seems in line with the majority opinion on the matter.  Very interesting to know that B&C would call it a 5x6 though. 

Here's the buck on the ground.  He was an old fella, but a healthy one.  Despite having a fairly big body overall and plenty of fat, it was neat to see how much bigger and stronger his 2x2 buddy looked standing next to him.

Boy, what a beautiful 5x6.  :tup:  :peep:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: 724wd on October 04, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
4x5 plus eyeguards. most descriptive  :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do you call this a 4x5 or a 5x6? (eye guards and antler points)
Post by: dagon on October 05, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
5x6 points are points.
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