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Title: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 02, 2009, 09:55:23 AM: Tried some RL 17 yesterday, it really smokes em. 300wsm 180grn accubonds 3040fps. Not grouping well though. Going to try some partitions today. Anyone shoot 17? What bullets do you use. :dunno:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 02, 2009, 11:19:31 AM: i have been thinkin about switching to it for a little while now but i am reluctant because what I use now works great on the 270 wsm. The only thing is, is that it is nearly impossible finding imr 4350 these days. Let us know how you do but if the accubonds wont group I dont think I will try it. How many grains of powder are you using.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 02, 2009, 12:29:00 PM: I used 66 grns. I am going to try the accubonds in 180 and 200 grn again it was pretty windy yesterday.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 03, 2009, 04:08:43 PM: Shot 165 grain partitions 68 grn of 17 didnt group. 180 partitions 66 grn of 17 didnt group. Loaded 180 accubonds again added .5 grains to 66.5 of RL 17 1" group 3015fps avg. :)
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 04:53:41 PM: very nice, what kind of gun are you rollin with.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 03, 2009, 06:51:22 PM: thanks red dawg, 300 wsm
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 08:55:05 PM: I caught the caliber, tell me a little bit about your gun.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 03, 2009, 08:57:27 PM: Quote from: ACCUBOND on May 02, 2009, 09:55:23 AM
Tried some RL 17 yesterday, it really smokes em. 300wsm 180grn accubonds 3040fps. Not grouping well though. Going to try some partitions today. Anyone shoot 17? What bullets do you use. :dunno:

I bought 6 lbs. of RL17 but I cannot find enough recipes for it yet. where did you get the nosler load data from?
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 08:58:26 PM: you can get it off of alliants web site.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2009, 08:58:32 PM: That seems like a fast powder to be using with the 300 WSM to me. RL19 would be about as slow as I would go, and RL22 might even be worth a try. But I don't have any sort of 300 magnum so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 09:00:23 PM: they say the 17 is the new thing for wsm calibers. I dont know that much about it yet though. 66 grains for that velocity is pretty good.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 03, 2009, 09:01:01 PM: Quote from: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 08:55:05 PM
I caught the caliber, tell me a little bit about your gun.

Me too, I roll with the 300WSM in Tikka T3 Lite. I am looking for a load also
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 03, 2009, 09:02:04 PM: Quote from: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
you can get it off of alliants web site.

not unless it has been updated since Monday.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 03, 2009, 09:05:45 PM: I just came from the alliant site. all of their 300WSM data is for Speer bullets, no Nosler data
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 09:07:38 PM: the brand of bullet doesnt really matter to me much, just the weights. It gives you something to start with.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: catwithboost on May 03, 2009, 09:08:01 PM: Al there is load data on there for the 150-165-180 I told you that 2 days ago :dunno: Take the load data and work off of it for the nosler bullet. That is what I did when I started loading for the 7mm mag and the barnes tipped TSX and it came together fast. :twocents:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2009, 09:08:46 PM: I just read on another site that RL22 is what you need for 180's out of a 300 WSM. That's almost the slowest Reloader powder. Here's a link to the thread I found:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2986939/page/2#Post2986939
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2009, 09:27:44 PM: I have to say I didn't know what the hell I was talking about... I looked at the Alliant site and they state that the 17 is similar in burn speed to IMR 4350.

Which, I thought RL19 was real close to 4350. But anyway, yeah the RL17 ought to work good in the 300WSM then. I just assumed it was faster burning than the RL19. I still think the RL22 would be the best bet for 180 grain or heavier bullets. Or my all time favorite, H4831.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 09:32:16 PM: Ya I used to use 4350 in everything that I shot. But from I have been told you can get a bit more velocity than 4350 with the rl 17. I think I may give it a try when I run out of the 4350 stuff I already have loaded.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 04, 2009, 03:44:16 AM: Quote from: catwithboost on May 03, 2009, 09:08:01 PM
Al there is load data on there for the 150-165-180 I told you that 2 days ago :dunno: Take the load data and work off of it for the nosler bullet. That is what I did when I started loading for the 7mm mag and the barnes tipped TSX and it came together fast. :twocents:

I don't want to work off of another bullet. I am not wildcatting... I want Nosler data or I would not have posted in this thread
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 04, 2009, 03:48:41 AM: Quote from: Red Dawg on May 03, 2009, 09:07:38 PM
the brand of bullet doesnt really matter to me much, just the weights. It gives you something to start with.

That's fine for you.. I like to start with best load tested from my reloading Manual. The powder will sit until I get good data. I don't have time to build load data for Nosler. I expect them to do it for me... :twocents:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 04, 2009, 06:34:52 AM: well if your going to be stubborn about it call nosler and ask them what they know. I bet they are using the info on the speer bullets. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: KillBilly on May 04, 2009, 06:38:43 AM: Quote from: Red Dawg on May 04, 2009, 06:34:52 AM
well if your going to be stubborn about it call nosler and ask them what they know. I bet they are using the info on the speer bullets. :chuckle:

Tried that, they had no load data for it that they would share. And I am being patient, not stubborn... the powder does not have a use by date on it, so it will be there when Nosler gets off their asses. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 04, 2009, 06:40:03 AM: ok I got ya :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ing on May 04, 2009, 06:47:30 AM: I'm shootin a 325wsm. Hav'nt tried RL17 yet but H4350 shoots real good with 150gr Hornady Interlocks and 200gr Nosler Accubonds. Anyone else have a 325? I'm starting to think I'm the only one in the state that does...
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 04, 2009, 08:07:10 PM: Sorry been off line for a bit. Shooting a M77 ruger, yes it is off alliant web site, speer bullets. I cant see any 180 grain bullet changing it that much. I dont mind messing with it a bit if I can improve ballistics. A friend of mine use 22 and is not getting the velosities as 17 is. Killbilly, your not building a load for nosler your doing for yourself.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 04, 2009, 08:24:15 PM: hmmmm, M77. that is an interesting gun for sure. You dont here about wsm's all to often if ever being used in rugers. In fact this is a first for me. I need to do some looking around.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 04, 2009, 08:29:03 PM: Well after some looking real quick I found some for sale. I wonder if the rcm will replace the wsm with the rugers. I always thought that ruger had a hard time chambering the wsm since there action did not like them. They must have figured it out. Cool gun for sure. I would hang on to that one.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Caretaker on May 04, 2009, 10:13:33 PM: Hi Accubond, see my post I made this evening, tried numerous loads and ended up with 68.5 grains RL17, 168 gr TTSX. 68.5 grouped better than 68 in my rifle. Only tried a few loads using 180 grain bullets, very small sampling though, really didn't find one that shot well with the swifts but again, small sampling. If you can't read Excel format let me know, I can export the data to a text file format.

Caretaker
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 05, 2009, 05:13:04 AM: Red Dawg, not sure if ruger still makes the wsm, I thought the rcm replaced it. Havent seen any for years. Actually won this one in a RMEF banquet.

Ill ckeck it out tonight caretaker got to get to work
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ing on May 05, 2009, 06:41:09 AM: Ruger has not chambered wsm calibers in 4 or 5 years. Maybe longer than that. I read that they quit chambering wsm's because they did'nt want to pay royalties or something. Some legal dispute. The only one I saw was in '06 on a hunting trip to Idaho. It was stainless/synthetic and chambered in 300wsm, nice rifle. Anyway I hav'nt seen one since, so I ended up with a Kimber. Those rcm's do sound like cool little rounds though.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Webfoot on May 05, 2009, 05:37:03 PM: Accubond

I have a Mdl. 77 in 300 WSM also and I also won it at an RMEF raffle.
It is stainless synthetic.

John
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 05, 2009, 06:36:00 PM: Right on web foot, won mine about 4-5 years ago. Chehalis chapter. :IBCOOL:

Caretaker looks like you put a lot of work into that spreadsheet. Thats some good info thanks for sharing. :tup:
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: Red Dawg on May 05, 2009, 06:46:50 PM: I thought about it today while working and I remember looking at one quite a few years ago when Jakes in selah closed his doors. It was a brush gun almost a carbine length with a fixed four power scope on the end of the barrel that you could look through with both eyes open. Very cool. I should have bought that gun.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 05, 2009, 06:58:12 PM: That sounds like the frontier rifle. Mine is just a regulal M77 it is preety much the same size as my m77 "30.06" Scope mounted normal.
Title: Re: Anyone try RL 17
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 05, 2009, 08:38:20 PM: Got one of the new RCM stocks on it, nicer sto :)cks