Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 23, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
I know they took a lot of money from the folks that worked to end predator hunting in BC.
Anybody know?
Post by: Sundance on November 23, 2021, 03:54:11 PM
Post by: Special T on November 23, 2021, 04:12:39 PM
Anybody know their level of involvement?
I know they took a lot of money from the folks that worked to end predator hunting in BC.
Anybody know?
I saw one post on FB from them asking for hunters to comment. They are not known for predator management.
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 23, 2021, 04:18:37 PM
I don't have FB or I'd ask in the thread why an organization that gets privately funded by hunters isn't adhering to some of their stated goals:
-Organizing chapter members to interact with elected and agency leaders relevant to BHA's mission and our shared passion for public lands, waters and wildlife.
I was a WA BHA member for 1x year and gave it up at the complete lack of action taken, other than the occasional trash cleanup.
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:28:14 PM
They're not to blame here.
Note the Oct 27 date of this post, there's also a new post shsring the story from the statesman examiner newspaper.
I also notice they had 2 shares and 9 likes, so it didn't get a lot of traction there either.
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:38:36 PM
Here's how much they cared after the fact
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:47:42 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
Post by: hunter399 on November 23, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.I Agree.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
I have to believe that the spring bear hunt issue will ramp up a little more after the first of the year,when there not able to buy there permit app. But who knows I may be wrong.
Post by: johnaferrera on November 23, 2021, 05:43:28 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 05:57:24 PM
BHA sent an e-mail to all members telling them to comment on supporting the hunt along with the links on how to do it.
Thanks :tup:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 23, 2021, 06:12:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 23, 2021, 06:25:07 PM
I read your post as finger pointing, sorry. There's been a lot of negative and heated discussion about BHA on this forum, so I was biased that you were pointing fingers at them.
I'm no fan of BHA and its origions, but they've done some good work and seem to have good people in the local chapters.
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2021, 06:27:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2021, 06:44:15 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on November 23, 2021, 06:46:48 PM
So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.Nailed it KF 👍
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
Post by: highcountry_hunter on November 23, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
I couldn’t agree more. Seems the majority of hunters would rather bitch and moan about the results than be proactive before it happens.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 24, 2021, 06:40:20 AM
So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.Bingo. This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 06:57:14 AM
I commented on them removing permits, I believe I asked for OTC spring bear with some revisions to the regs.So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.Bingo. This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
Heck they where supposed to just decrease permits by 10 permits or something.
Even a lot of us that are more proactive with the department and commission didn't see this coming.
The anti's complain and they do whatever they want.
Us as hunters make suggestions ,we are told that we have to submit rule changes at three year management plan.
We as hunters have to wait three years to submit rule changes,then when submit,there's no guarantee that it turns into a proposal that the commission will even consider.
It's just BS
Just basically they make hunters jump through all the hoops to make rule changes ,the general public that don't even buy a licence have more say than we do.
You can't really blame it on hunters,the meeting was Durring prime hunting season,and we would get the shaft anyway.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2021, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 07:16:46 AM
Agree with hunter399 on this. What the hell can we do? I've sent emails, made phone calls, suggestions..... THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A CRAP!!! No matter what we say or do, they steer the ship where they want to. They don't even care if we all didn't send them another dime, they'd love to see the whole program go under. So, lets get another petition and make some more emails......I'm not saying we should give up.
This whole stunt is a political ,emotional,bunch of BS.
Basicly the anti's didn't submit this as a rule change,it should of never been voted on,and even if they did,we are not at the end of our three management plan. Where ending or pausing the season should even be considered.
All I'm saying or asking is why do these animal rights people don't have to jump through the same hoops as us hunters.
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 07:23:07 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 07:30:15 AM
Asking that all future comments collected by the department should have to include a wild I'd # .
Basically if you don't take hunter ed,or have a wild id your
Voice is nothing.
How can we let people that don't even live in this state manage our wildlife. Don't put conservation dollars in have a bigger voice than guys like us who have paid hard earned money our whole lives to some of these programs.
Sorry for the rant posts.
I've been bitting my tongue ,watching this unfold.
Now I'm starting to get a little pissed.
Sorry.
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2021, 07:50:16 AM
We're fighting an uphill battle, but we have had some successes, so I think giving up isn't the right answer either.
Our #1 enemy to hunting is Jay Inslee, he makes these appointments and hampers WDFW in their efforts when it comes to wolf removals or predator hunting rule changes..he uses WDFW as a political tool pandering to the radical left voter, his base.
imo what hunters need to do is pressure the .orgs they belong too, remember RMEF and wolves? RMEF corporate hesitated in coming out for wolf management, its membership raised hell and quit paying dues and donations (myself included) and they changed course and threw their influence behind wolf management.
BHA, SCI, WWC, NWWC all the .orgs we join need to feel pressure, they need to be the sheep dog that steers its flock into making these calls, participating in these meetings and basically taking the lefts playbook for ourselves.
We also need more participants from HW forums to answer the call. I'm going to discuss this with HW management and see what we mods can do here to better spotlight this issue and drive up calls to action, if hunting in Washington is lost, what use is this forum?
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2021, 07:58:58 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 09:30:03 AM
What happened to the law suit we heard about last spring? Perhaps that needs revisited.It got dropped ,I think .
I might go back to the future :chuckle: :chuckle:
And go back and watch the commission meeting leading up to this. Just to see how it was proposed and all the jazz leading up to this.
And try to see why and how this "emergency" closure went down. Since we are no where close to the three year management plan ,when rule changes should take place.
Post by: bearpaw on November 24, 2021, 09:42:03 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
Sadly, I don't know if enough could have been done by anyone to save spring bear, until we get a governor that appoints hunters to the commission I think WA hunters will continue to lose hunting opportunities. :dunno::yeah:
Post by: actionshooter on November 24, 2021, 10:02:44 AM
Agree with hunter399 on this. What the hell can we do? I've sent emails, made phone calls, suggestions..... THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A CRAP!!! No matter what we say or do, they steer the ship where they want to. They don't even care if we all didn't send them another dime, they'd love to see the whole program go under. So, lets get another petition and make some more emails......
I think most of us here (this thread) have done something, but for every one of us who commented, there are a 1K who didn't do anything and likely didn't even know it was an issue. On the other hand, the well organized anti's put the word out and the commission received comments from all over the country.... I doesn't help that the commission isn't pro hunting, but if we would have out numbered the antis, the decision would have been different.
Post by: bearpaw on November 24, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.Bingo. This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
LOL, amazing comment!
First, unless you opt into the political topics board you wouldn't know they are even on this forum. For the most part I think we do a good job of keeping political topics in that board. By having that board it keeps the politics away from all members who don't want to read politics!
Second, I find it hard to believe that a board hidden from public view could have any impact on losing the spring bear season in WA! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Third, spring bear is a low priority season for the majority of hunters. This forum is a more dedicated and diverse group of hunters than most groups so these types of issues get more traction and discussion here.
Lastly, as far as how to quit losing hunting opportunities, it's truly a partisan political issue, states that are primarily democrat controlled are prone to allowing fewer hunting opportunities. If you really want to make a difference, quit voting for democrat politicians! I'm sorry to say but sadly hunting is definitely a partisan political issue. :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on November 24, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 24, 2021, 02:08:55 PM
https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/washington-wildlife-commission-suspends-spring-bear-hunt-2021-11-19/
There’s a big part of the reason this hunt was shut down.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2021, 02:15:11 PM
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2021, 02:30:12 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on November 24, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Anybody know their level of involvement?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211124/b1f3200c1c2767eca6e45004cd4d4e35.jpg)
I know they took a lot of money from the folks that worked to end predator hunting in BC.
Anybody know?
From Instagram, pretty clear where they stood on the issue.
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 24, 2021, 04:07:06 PM
Clearly, and unfortunately, politics play a role in wildlife management. The point was to highlight that on a site with 10k members the loss of a hunting season gets less ink that pretty much any political topic. It's a shame that the Rittenhouse thread has more traction on here than a thread motivating members to get active on bear seasonsSo IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame.Bingo. This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.
NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.
Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone.
Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.
On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread :'(
LOL, amazing comment!
First, unless you opt into the political topics board you wouldn't know they are even on this forum. For the most part I think we do a good job of keeping political topics in that board. By having that board it keeps the politics away from all members who don't want to read politics!
Second, I find it hard to believe that a board hidden from public view could have any impact on losing the spring bear season in WA! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Third, spring bear is a low priority season for the majority of hunters. This forum is a more dedicated and diverse group of hunters than most groups so these types of issues get more traction and discussion here.
Lastly, as far as how to quit losing hunting opportunities, it's truly a partisan political issue, states that are primarily democrat controlled are prone to allowing fewer hunting opportunities. If you really want to make a difference, quit voting for democrat politicians! I'm sorry to say but sadly hunting is definitely a partisan political issue. :twocents:
Post by: bow4elk on November 24, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
The hunting org’s are to blame for a lack of any sort of anything to fight this action. So are we hunters. We’re famous for it. The anti hunting orgs are good at making this stuff happen. We’ll suffer because of it.100% If hunters (yeah, you!) don't speak up and take action, don't expect others to. Hunters as a whole are good at complaining in forums buy lousy at taking action BEFORE there's something to complain about. Send you comments - respectful comments - to the Commission. Ya'll should know how to do that by now. They run the show, not WDFW. People need to quit getting on that bandwagon. This spring bear issue should make that abundantly clear. And remember, all the anti groups know of these matters and they take lots of action. Hunters need to meet and EXCEED their actions. But we never do, so we get what we got here. The truth hurts.
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Post by: big buck hunter on November 24, 2021, 09:12:46 PM
Post by: dwils233 on December 17, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_spring_bear_next_steps
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 17, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2021, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 18, 2021, 03:26:12 PM
Post by: wags on December 20, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Post by: pickardjw on December 20, 2021, 03:18:32 PM
Post by: dwils233 on December 20, 2021, 03:41:44 PM
I'd love everyone to join BHA, but realistically I think that people just getting on the emailing list would be really help. The reason I say that is because when the chapter sent out the prevote call to action it went to everyone on the Washington mailing list, not just members. It doesn't mean you have to respond to anything you get from them, but if you do it'll automatically be routed to your reps based on address. Just a thought. Of course with the natural resources committee, all contact is good but the best is if those senators are gearing it from their direct constituents :twocents:
Post by: dwils233 on December 21, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
Direct action link. Easy way to get your comments to the WDFW commission
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 21, 2021, 05:53:55 PM
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action?fbclid=IwAR3cZSnCc3DdWk_Dc1tVSrIxxh_LPS0PQ9lJCrrCNNc8nm_YTiPSJ4xob5c#/249
Direct action link. Easy way to get your comments to the WDFW commission
This is awesome!
Post by: bearpaw on December 23, 2021, 04:35:24 PM
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action?fbclid=IwAR3cZSnCc3DdWk_Dc1tVSrIxxh_LPS0PQ9lJCrrCNNc8nm_YTiPSJ4xob5c#/249
Direct action link. Easy way to get your comments to the WDFW commission
Great looking form but it wouldn't work for me, so I used the form on the WDFW site:
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 23, 2021, 06:25:26 PM
I sent the letter.
Appreciate everyone who is helping on this issue
Post by: Nwgunner on December 23, 2021, 07:23:26 PM
Post by: BowLake on December 24, 2021, 07:48:00 AM
https://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx (https://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx)
Comments should ask that they make a recommendation to the Senate to reject Lorna Smith as an appointee to the Commission by Gov. Inslee.
Here is a link to a podcast covering the topic and next steps.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/88-washington-state-spring-bear-update/id1493899905?i=1000545730920&fbclid=IwAR34xSbGdH-CJwS1drnCFVXg4e0JBVRLNBEsQXK2Vaasi9dPsbNtiGeyh24 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/88-washington-state-spring-bear-update/id1493899905?i=1000545730920&fbclid=IwAR34xSbGdH-CJwS1drnCFVXg4e0JBVRLNBEsQXK2Vaasi9dPsbNtiGeyh24)
Post by: Tbar on December 24, 2021, 08:04:04 AM
Here is a link to the Senate Natural Resources Committee - contact for each is attached.Lots of good information as well as some very uninformed information. Is PNW affiliated with BHA?
https://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx (https://leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx)
Comments should ask that they make a recommendation to the Senate to reject Lorna Smith as an appointee to the Commission by Gov. Inslee.
Here is a link to a podcast covering the topic and next steps.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/88-washington-state-spring-bear-update/id1493899905?i=1000545730920&fbclid=IwAR34xSbGdH-CJwS1drnCFVXg4e0JBVRLNBEsQXK2Vaasi9dPsbNtiGeyh24 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/88-washington-state-spring-bear-update/id1493899905?i=1000545730920&fbclid=IwAR34xSbGdH-CJwS1drnCFVXg4e0JBVRLNBEsQXK2Vaasi9dPsbNtiGeyh24)
Post by: BowLake on December 24, 2021, 08:44:22 AM
No affiliation besides supporting each other. Just trying to bring hunters together to spread some information on what steps can be taken to try and get the season back and prevent this from happening in the future.
Post by: haus on December 25, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 25, 2021, 11:31:29 AM
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Post by: sixgun_symphony on January 03, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Fact is that most outdoorsmen don't vote, they don't want to get involved. They seek escapism via sport and do not want to be informed.
Post by: Tbar on January 03, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
I had lead a voter registration drive at gunshows and other events for about two years before the 2020 elections. One event that stood out was when we got permission to set up a voter registration drive table in front of the Bass Pro Shop, about 2/3 of the people gave us hostile stares because they did not want politics in their life. We told them about a recently passed gun control initiative, I-1639. Most of the people that would talk to us never heard about it. Many called us liars as they did not want to believe it.
Fact is that most outdoorsmen don't vote, they don't want to get involved. They seek escapism via sport and do not want to be informed.
Do you have anything to validate your "fact"? In my walk it's the opposite, also look at the political board here, it is quite busy, even to the point where the forum's focus seems blurred at times. :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on January 03, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Or am I tripped out .
Post by: saylean on January 03, 2022, 10:01:09 PM
It’s simple to do. Get it done.
Post by: spoonman on January 03, 2022, 10:30:51 PM
Every single member on this site needs to follow the action items listed by BHA, contact the commission, contact the gov and contact the natural resource committee. The antis have gotten wind of vacancies and are actively working to further influence the situation. The meeting for Jan 21st is coming up quick and it’s vital we make out position heard.
It’s simple to do. Get it done.
Well stated. Everyone needs to jump on this and take action! Write in and voice your concerns.
Post by: JeepWrangler on January 04, 2022, 05:00:30 AM
Evil wins when Good is not Formidible.
This is not the time to get weak.
Post by: dwils233 on January 21, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
It has shown leadership throughout this process and even INWC has said the same in a recent podcast. Hate all you want, call it a bunch of green decoys but it has fought the good fight the whole time and is standing up for hunting in Washington.
I don't see nearly the same scrutiny applied to orgs that either didn't weigh in or showed up real late to the action...
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Post by: dwils233 on January 31, 2022, 10:13:02 AM
Washington BHA was also awarded Inland Northwest Wildlife Council's 2021 Bill Rollins Master Hunter Award "presented to a Washington state organization that shares in the principles of the INWC and support of the INWC's mission"
Post by: BowLake on January 31, 2022, 01:22:28 PM