Post by: JeepWrangler on November 24, 2021, 05:11:52 AM
Would Like To Encourage Everyone to Listen
Post by: nwwanderer on November 24, 2021, 06:31:24 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on November 24, 2021, 09:20:04 AM
P N Wild Podcast Episode 85. 'No More Spring Bear? With Doug Boze'
Would Like To Encourage Everyone to Listen
Thanks will give it a listen. BTW Mr Boze goes by Saylean on HuntWa I believe.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2021, 09:30:26 AM
P N Wild Podcast Episode 85. 'No More Spring Bear? With Doug Boze'can you post a link, I looked but can’t find it?
Would Like To Encourage Everyone to Listen
Post by: hunter399 on November 24, 2021, 09:31:36 AM
DittoP N Wild Podcast Episode 85. 'No More Spring Bear? With Doug Boze'can you post a link, I looked but can’t find it?
Would Like To Encourage Everyone to Listen
I would like link.
Post by: hughjorgan on November 24, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5nUBcbOERWaY3AccXes4oo?si=1pIrWO8lSE6MZHSIBUaE8Q
Post by: mcrawfordaf on November 24, 2021, 12:30:48 PM
also a link the a Change.org petition.
Post by: saylean on November 24, 2021, 10:51:17 PM
We need to get rid of Lorna Smith and outshine the anti hunters. We must get vocal, active, annoying. They are coming for your passion. Don’t let them win without a fight. I’m nothing special, just an average joe, but I’ll be damned if I let this continue unchecked.
Post by: JeepWrangler on November 25, 2021, 05:15:11 AM
Thanks for being on the podcast.
Appreciate you and the guys on P N Wild discussing the topics.
Yes, there are behind the scenes things happening regarding Black Bears in this State, things going on that are not good for Wildlife Conservation.
Appreciate you keeping us updated on things we can do, action steps we can participate in, to help with this issue.
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2021, 08:27:12 AM
I also spend a few hour yesterday listening to commission meeting leading up to this vote.
Very informative .
One thing all of us hunters should be able to agree on.
If you hunt bear or not.
That this is an all out attack on our hunting privaleges.
No way this issue should even been voted on,There rule change processes that are in place for this. The commission is asking for information that would normally be available in a new management plan,which is the time for rule changes.
Our bear population is not in a condition that would warrant an emergency closure of any season currently.
WDFW would also agree that our bear population is stable currently and has relayed that info to the commission.
I know Alot of you are mad about the spring bear season.
It is just purely a recreational hunt now and has been for awhile. The number of permits and harvest is not enough to effect bear population or mitigate bear tree damage.
With that said ....
There is a time and place for rule changes,this was not either of those.
We went from a reduction of like 8 permits to a whole season on pause in the blink of an eye ,with no substantial scientific reasoning .
Is just an all out attack on us hunters ,and we need to stand up to that.
Post by: wannabhntr on November 25, 2021, 08:37:43 AM
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 09:12:16 AM
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 09:26:29 AM
It's poor form to attack or inundate your allies, like Kelly Sueswind with emails when they could be directed towards more effective players. Kelly's frustrations were plenty evident during the meetings.
Post by: saylean on November 25, 2021, 09:55:07 AM
@Saylean
It's poor form to attack or inundate your allies, like Kelly Sueswind with emails when they could be directed towards more effective players. Kelly's frustrations were plenty evident during the meetings.
Kelly isn’t a main focus, Lorna Smith is. I understand he is on our side regarding this. In the initial day or so after that announcement of the cancellation I wanted people to make noise and contact the wdfw. Kelly is top dog so start there. The commission has no online social media presence, wdfw does.
My focus is removing Lorna Smith from the commission and continued pressure to reinstate the spring season coupled with much more interaction from the hunting and fishing community, which I cannot do alone and need every single one of you to step up and get active.
I’ve signed up to speak during their next meeting, everyone else on here should to.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 25, 2021, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: bearpaw on November 25, 2021, 10:05:25 AM
@saylean
It's poor form to attack or inundate your allies, like Kelly Sueswind with emails when they could be directed towards more effective players. Kelly's frustrations were plenty evident during the meetings.
Kelly isn’t a main focus, Lorna Smith is. I understand he is on our side regarding this. In the initial day or so after that announcement of the cancellation I wanted people to make noise and contact the wdfw. Kelly is top dog so start there. The commission has no online social media presence, wdfw does.
My focus is removing Lorna Smith from the commission and continued pressure to reinstate the spring season coupled with much more interaction from the hunting and fishing community, which I cannot do alone and need every single one of you to step up and get active.
I’ve signed up to speak during their next meeting, everyone else on here should to.
Every hunter should contact the commission, this is really about far more than losing spring bear hunting, this is about managing by political correctness rather than by science and providing opportunity to the public. This sets a dangerous precedence of how wildlife may be increasingly managed in Washington! It was bad enough that special interest groups could use the initiative process to take away hound hunting and trapping, now they have infiltrated the commission that establishes seasons and will no longer even need to bother with the initiative process! :twocents:
Post by: saylean on November 25, 2021, 10:08:28 AM
@saylean
It's poor form to attack or inundate your allies, like Kelly Sueswind with emails when they could be directed towards more effective players. Kelly's frustrations were plenty evident during the meetings.
Kelly isn’t a main focus, Lorna Smith is. I understand he is on our side regarding this. In the initial day or so after that announcement of the cancellation I wanted people to make noise and contact the wdfw. Kelly is top dog so start there. The commission has no online social media presence, wdfw does.
My focus is removing Lorna Smith from the commission and continued pressure to reinstate the spring season coupled with much more interaction from the hunting and fishing community, which I cannot do alone and need every single one of you to step up and get active.
I’ve signed up to speak during their next meeting, everyone else on here should to.
Every hunter should contact the commission, this is really about far more than losing spring bear hunting, this is about managing by political correctness rather than by science and providing opportunity to the public. This sets a dangerous precedence of how wildlife may be increasingly managed in Washington! It was bad enough that special interest groups could use the initiative process to take away hound hunting and trapping, now they have infiltrated the commission that establishes seasons and will no longer even need to bother with the initiative process! :twocents:
💯 bearpaw
Post by: idaho guy on November 25, 2021, 11:11:46 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 25, 2021, 11:15:10 AM
Post by: elkrack on November 25, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Post by: Seabass on November 25, 2021, 07:48:54 PM
This is a good example of the template liberals have been using to get rid of hunting in all states. First step was to protect the predators (I.e.get rid of effective management tools like hounds and baiting) . Then shorten or start eliminating seasons. They tried the same initiative in Idaho when they eliminated bait and hounds in Washington. I remember someone asking me to sign the petition to eliminate both in Idaho in the early 90’s😂😂😂. Step 2 was dump the ultimate apex predator (wolves) into Idaho,Montana and Wyoming. Protect g-bears to ridiculous numbers also. When I lived in Montana in the 80’s there was an unlimited grizzly bear hunt with a quota just like the unlimited sheep hunts in Montana. They got rid of that hunt and there has NEVER been a lower 48 grizzly hunt again. The plan is to protect predators at All costs so they could eliminate any surplus elk and deer. It’s working look how many Washington hunters said screw it and only hunt Idaho or Montana etc and refuse to even hunt their home state or buy a license. They are breaking the North American wildlife model in states right now. Sell tags to create revenue to manage for surplus elk and deer to sell tags to create revenue to manage for more surplus animals rinse and repeat. it’s been amazing and disgusting to watch this play out in real time in Washington,Oregon and California. It’s frustrating that some hunters actually argue their point and deflect blame to habitat habitat and habitat. It’s very important (habitat) but secondary to the plan of breaking the North American wildlife model through excessive predators. I’m all in on fighting this as a non resident because I know these tactics are coming to a state near you for all hunters. They tried these tactics in Idaho already they just haven’t worked YET. Thanks saylean for what you are doing I’m ready to make some noise and recruit other out of state hunters to do the same. Keep us posted on what non residents can do
They are willing to play the long game. We need to be right there with them.
Post by: JeepWrangler on November 26, 2021, 07:37:47 AM
commission@dfw.wa.gov
"Would like to encourage each of the Commissioners to listen to the:
'P N Wild Podcast Episode 85. No More Spring Bear? With Doug Boze' "
Recieved this morning 11/26/2021 7:28am from
commission@dfw.wa.gov
"your message and link to the podcast has been sent to the Commission.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving."
Post by: tvandy45 on November 28, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021/02december2021-fwc-agenda
Post by: saylean on November 28, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
Looks like the next game commission meeting is this thursday (Dec 2nd) at 8am. You can bet your ass I will be logging into all of these going forward
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021/02december2021-fwc-agenda
You and me both.👍👍
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 29, 2021, 05:02:04 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 29, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 29, 2021, 05:52:01 PM
I'd vote for ya, heck I'd vote a tweaked out sex worker over InsleeHow’d you know what I do for a side hustle??
Post by: Wphunt on November 29, 2021, 09:31:46 PM
The commission has really screwed some things up by following public opinion instead of science. Look at wild steelhead. Decades of declining populations before they stopped allowing wild steelhead harvest on the coast. Lots of very vocal people were at commission meetings talking about how communities need the season and there are plenty of fish and the guides need to make a living. Now, it's not even really worth trying. Seasons are shorter, not many fish, can't fish from a boat, too many people etc. It's a separate issue and sort of opposite in a way, but one that could be used as an example of why we need to consider the data first and opinions second.
I wrote the commission last year when they were debating long beach spring bear permits. I wrote them multiple times this year leading up to their vote on unscheduled topics. I am going to attend meetings now because apparently they don't count comments outside the meetings themselves. We need them to do better. For the fish and wildlife and for us, the fisherman and hunters who actually have a dog in the fight.
Post by: saylean on November 30, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
I have been doing a lot of thinking on this topic. I would love to see a commission that must follow the science and need to base seasons off of population management goals. I suppose this would need to get added to the WAC.
The commission has really screwed some things up by following public opinion instead of science. Look at wild steelhead. Decades of declining populations before they stopped allowing wild steelhead harvest on the coast. Lots of very vocal people were at commission meetings talking about how communities need the season and there are plenty of fish and the guides need to make a living. Now, it's not even really worth trying. Seasons are shorter, not many fish, can't fish from a boat, too many people etc. It's a separate issue and sort of opposite in a way, but one that could be used as an example of why we need to consider the data first and opinions second.
I wrote the commission last year when they were debating long beach spring bear permits. I wrote them multiple times this year leading up to their vote on unscheduled topics. I am going to attend meetings now because apparently they don't count comments outside the meetings themselves. We need them to do better. For the fish and wildlife and for us, the fisherman and hunters who actually have a dog in the fight.
Good to hear Wphunt. We all need to be much more vocal.