Post by: saylean on November 24, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
They’ll be discussing wolves, elk, cougar, sports fishing and non native fish.
Judging from their last shady tactics on spring bear I encourage anyone with the slightest of interest in any of these topics to pay attention to these meetings/participate.
Post by: Special T on November 24, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Post by: pickardjw on November 24, 2021, 08:49:57 PM
Post by: andersonjk4 on November 24, 2021, 09:12:49 PM
In order to provide comment you must register before 8:00am on the morning you wish to give comment. Below is the link to register.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony (https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony)
Post by: X-Force on November 24, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on November 24, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
I belive they are also voting for new chairman and vice chairYes they are.
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Post by: JeepWrangler on November 25, 2021, 05:07:36 AM
I will call in.
Post by: Moose Master on November 25, 2021, 08:03:29 AM
Post by: wannabhntr on November 25, 2021, 08:20:09 AM
Please join this group and take it seriously. There's no reason we can't boycott this state while still voicing our opinion. Washington obviously cares about special interest greenie groups more than hunter's, conservation and actual science, but above that they care about revenue. In my opinion, the only way we see change is if we hit them in the wallet.
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Hit the raise your hand button.
Demand a revote on spring bear season based on available science that we currently have.
If they say that's not on the agenda,remind them that voting it closed was not on the agenda last meeting.
Alot of you guys are saying be respectful,and happy,and nice.
I think the time for that is over.
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2021, 08:57:16 AM
Until we get a vote that based on facts,not a bunch of karren votes.
Post by: saylean on November 25, 2021, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: Caseyd on November 25, 2021, 10:18:56 AM
In dealing with other state agencies, we always recommend as many people sign up ahead of time as possible. Signing up does not mean you have to speak, you can pass when it’s your turn. But when 100+ people sign up, they know we aren’t effing around.
Post by: Special T on November 25, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Everyone take a few minutes and sign up to speak.
In dealing with other state agencies, we always recommend as many people sign up ahead of time as possible. Signing up does not mean you have to speak, you can pass when it’s your turn. But when 100+ people sign up, they know we aren’t effing around.
This is also how the antis play the game. And they have done ut better than us
Post by: RB on November 25, 2021, 12:53:29 PM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/875337566494224/?ref=group_browse
Please join this group and take it seriously. There's no reason we can't boycott this state while still voicing our opinion. Washington obviously cares about special interest greenie groups more than hunter's, conservation and actual science, but above that they care about revenue. In my opinion, the only way we see change is if we hit them in the wallet.
What is the name of the group?
Post by: hughjorgan on November 25, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/875337566494224/?ref=group_browse
Please join this group and take it seriously. There's no reason we can't boycott this state while still voicing our opinion. Washington obviously cares about special interest greenie groups more than hunter's, conservation and actual science, but above that they care about revenue. In my opinion, the only way we see change is if we hit them in the wallet.
Not buying tags is just what Lorna smith and Fred koontz want. That for sure guarantees your not going kill a bear or two in the fall or a cougar. You also will no longer going to have skin in the game. How likely are you to stay engaged in what’s happening if you aren’t keeping some skin in the game.
They’ve made it easy to attend these meetings via zoom, sportsman need to get more active and engaged.
Lots of guys are upset about losing opportunity but how many guys are going to kill some bears in the fall. You can still make a sizable difference in the predator population but most guys aren’t going to do anything about it.
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2021, 02:28:08 PM
Sadly. I'd love to see it go back to fish and game, pandering to hunters and fishing.
Post by: hughjorgan on November 25, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
One zoom meeting was deliberately set during peak hunting season to purposefully disenfranchise hunters, and they set their vote based upon that, they loaded up that meeting with anti's while hiding it from prohunting, they totally ignored all the earlier comments submitted to public record.
These were illegal shenanigans being pulled here
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 02:55:40 PM
I'm not so sure they did, 1000's of hunters filled out the public comments and did their part during the public comment period.What were the total comments? How many hunters? All info should have been in the staff report but I didn't catch it.
One zoom meeting was deliberately set during peak hunting season to purposefully disenfranchise hunters, and they set their vote based upon that, they loaded up that meeting with anti's while hiding it from prohunting, they totally ignored all the earlier comments submitted to public record.
These were illegal shenanigans being pulled here
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
I'm not so sure they did, 1000's of hunters filled out the public comments and did their part during the public comment period.What were the total comments? How many hunters? All info should have been in the staff report but I didn't catch it.
One zoom meeting was deliberately set during peak hunting season to purposefully disenfranchise hunters, and they set their vote based upon that, they loaded up that meeting with anti's while hiding it from prohunting, they totally ignored all the earlier comments submitted to public record.
These were illegal shenanigans being pulled here
They also extended the comment time line so the anti-hunter could bash it with there BS. The department never sent an email to us hunters letting us know they extended it.
And if you erased your browser history ,you could comment a million times if you want. Which is probably what the antihunters did.
That's why there comment BS need attention also.
Your name
Address
Wild id:
Something proving your a Washington resident.
We don't need help from other states having a voice in Washington game management.
I know many of you don't want to blame the department and they did or do support hunters on the spring bear hunt.
But at the end of the day,they don't have there @$!# together.
Like a simple trail cam setup to catch bears activities.
Like every 10,0000 square miles ,how long does it take a bear to hit bait,how many bears hit bait in 30 days, x amount of bears per x amount of square mile times a huge area to give a rough population .
They did there bear counts like they do there deer counts ,like crap and us hunters will pay the price.
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2021, 03:44:35 PM
It reads like a battle of the .orgs and HW'rs
BHA made a strong showing, kudos to those folks :tup: :tup:
maybe HW'rs need a code so we can virtually fist bump one another for comments :tup:
This vid has a lot of scrolling, it would take way too long to go through each comment
Post by: hunter399 on November 25, 2021, 03:58:40 PM
:yeah:I watched about half your vid.
It reads like a battle of the .orgs and HW'rs
BHA made a strong showing, kudos to those folks :tup: :tup:
maybe HW'rs need a code so we can virtually fist bump one another for comments :tup:
This vid has a lot of scrolling, it would take way too long to go through each comment
Looks like about 50% of those comments don't want any hunting let alone a spring bear hunt.
The anti's really stepped there game up.
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 04:19:44 PM
:yeah:In the staff report they usually give a summary of comments for and against and an individual summary of aligned comments.
It reads like a battle of the .orgs and HW'rs
BHA made a strong showing, kudos to those folks :tup: :tup:
maybe HW'rs need a code so we can virtually fist bump one another for comments :tup:
This vid has a lot of scrolling, it would take way too long to go through each comment
Post by: KFhunter on November 25, 2021, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 04:42:39 PM
I could not find that, it seems totally ignored.I just watched it again. You are correct, totally disregarded the staff report. They made a mockery of entire process as well as parliamentary procedures. I guess only verbal comments matter. I'll dig for the staff report mostly out of curiosity. I'm not sure I've ever seen such public disregard for staff advisors, much less the advisory committee (gmac).
Post by: jackelope on November 25, 2021, 07:43:36 PM
I could not find that, it seems totally ignored.I just watched it again. You are correct, totally disregarded the staff report. They made a mockery of entire process as well as parliamentary procedures. I guess only verbal comments matter. I'll dig for the staff report mostly out of curiosity. I'm not sure I've ever seen such public disregard for staff advisors, much less the advisory committee (gmac).
Is there a way to use any of this against them? Send it up the flagpole somehow? Parliamentary procedure is a thing and it’s a thing for a reason. If they ignored it, it seems there’d be validity in questioning the whole process.
I have crappy cell service and can’t get the video to play where I’m at.
Post by: Seabass on November 25, 2021, 07:57:11 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2021, 07:58:16 PM
I don't believe so. It will probably result with more training individually but I don't think it can reverse a decision.I could not find that, it seems totally ignored.I just watched it again. You are correct, totally disregarded the staff report. They made a mockery of entire process as well as parliamentary procedures. I guess only verbal comments matter. I'll dig for the staff report mostly out of curiosity. I'm not sure I've ever seen such public disregard for staff advisors, much less the advisory committee (gmac).
Is there a way to use any of this against them? Send it up the flagpole somehow? Parliamentary procedure is a thing and it’s a thing for a reason. If they ignored it, it seems there’d be validity in questioning the whole process.
I have crappy cell service and can’t get the video to play where I’m at.
Post by: dreamingbig on November 25, 2021, 07:58:17 PM
I am done throwing good money after bad. They are listening to those that don’t buy tags right now. Why should we have too to still have a voice?https://m.facebook.com/groups/875337566494224/?ref=group_browse
Please join this group and take it seriously. There's no reason we can't boycott this state while still voicing our opinion. Washington obviously cares about special interest greenie groups more than hunter's, conservation and actual science, but above that they care about revenue. In my opinion, the only way we see change is if we hit them in the wallet.
Not buying tags is just what Lorna smith and Fred koontz want. That for sure guarantees your not going kill a bear or two in the fall or a cougar. You also will no longer going to have skin in the game. How likely are you to stay engaged in what’s happening if you aren’t keeping some skin in the game.
They’ve made it easy to attend these meetings via zoom, sportsman need to get more active and engaged.
Lots of guys are upset about losing opportunity but how many guys are going to kill some bears in the fall. You can still make a sizable difference in the predator population but most guys aren’t going to do anything about it.
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Post by: dreamingbig on November 25, 2021, 07:59:36 PM
I don’t think Jay is going to care.I could not find that, it seems totally ignored.I just watched it again. You are correct, totally disregarded the staff report. They made a mockery of entire process as well as parliamentary procedures. I guess only verbal comments matter. I'll dig for the staff report mostly out of curiosity. I'm not sure I've ever seen such public disregard for staff advisors, much less the advisory committee (gmac).
Is there a way to use any of this against them? Send it up the flagpole somehow? Parliamentary procedure is a thing and it’s a thing for a reason. If they ignored it, it seems there’d be validity in questioning the whole process.
I have crappy cell service and can’t get the video to play where I’m at.
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Post by: hughjorgan on November 25, 2021, 08:11:10 PM
Personally I think that mentality is playing right into their hand. The more guys that refuse to buy licenses is going to give people like Lorna Smith numbers that show hunting is a dying past time in WA and they’ll just keep pushing the envelope to take more and more.I am done throwing good money after bad. They are listening to those that don’t buy tags right now. Why should we have too to still have a voice?https://m.facebook.com/groups/875337566494224/?ref=group_browse
Please join this group and take it seriously. There's no reason we can't boycott this state while still voicing our opinion. Washington obviously cares about special interest greenie groups more than hunter's, conservation and actual science, but above that they care about revenue. In my opinion, the only way we see change is if we hit them in the wallet.
Not buying tags is just what Lorna smith and Fred koontz want. That for sure guarantees your not going kill a bear or two in the fall or a cougar. You also will no longer going to have skin in the game. How likely are you to stay engaged in what’s happening if you aren’t keeping some skin in the game.
They’ve made it easy to attend these meetings via zoom, sportsman need to get more active and engaged.
Lots of guys are upset about losing opportunity but how many guys are going to kill some bears in the fall. You can still make a sizable difference in the predator population but most guys aren’t going to do anything about it.
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I don’t blame anyone for going out of state to hunt. I do it. The hunting and management in other states is obviously better. But I am not going to quit on Washington. The pendulum will swing back the other way. It just takes time.
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Post by: dreamingbig on November 25, 2021, 08:14:26 PM
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Post by: andersonjk4 on December 02, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
Don’t know what to say? Here is a great quote I saw from Brian Lynn in an article on Northwest Sportsmans Mag.
“It’s a sad day for wildlife management when appointed game commissioners allow a vocal minority using nothing but emotion to overrule and cancel the state’s own trained wildlife biologists using accepted scientific principles and methods,”
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2021, 08:32:53 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Post by: Wphunt on December 02, 2021, 08:36:42 PM
Registration link for the meeting
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Post by: Seabass on December 02, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
Everytime you hear the word "science" take a big shot of whiskey
Is there enough whiskey around to get through the whole meeting :chuckle:
Post by: Seabass on December 02, 2021, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 08:40:26 AM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on December 03, 2021, 09:07:36 AM
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 09:30:25 AM
Well said "Marc Alberts"
some great testimony a couple of which have given Smith and Koontz the business.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 03, 2021, 09:36:05 AM
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 09:39:54 AM
Well, how do you guys feel about it? Any changes coming? Couldn’t listen in this AM
nothing will change as a result of talking with the commission, but its a good show of support
Post by: Wphunt on December 03, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 03, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
Good show on the meeting. Thanks everyone, probably no changes but they have heard plenty from the hunting community.
:yeah:
Post by: pickardjw on December 03, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
Post by: 10heiau on December 03, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Listening to the public comments felt energizing for me. I would love to see more organization and engagement at this level going into the future to preserve our hunting heritage. I am eager to contribute individually.
One last thought regarding our efforts to organize as hunters and lobby in favor of the North American model: Tino Villaluz's testimony sparked a thought in my mind that non tribal organizations could team up and coordinate efforts with tribal organizations to lobby for conservation and wildlife management favorable to ALL consumptive users. I'm interested to hear if anyone else had this same thought.
Post by: saylean on December 03, 2021, 11:15:26 AM
Good Job Saylean
Thanks. Sorry my voice is going out…nice to get called out by Smith, we need to keep up the pressure
Post by: pickardjw on December 03, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 12:45:00 PM
Regarding future organization around these types of things, I know this forum has an advocacy sub-forum but from my experience it gets overlooked in favor of some of the more popular and active sub forums. It would great if there was a way to alert users to things like public comment periods, commission meetings, etc. like a banner alert. I'm no web designer so I don't know how difficult / possible that would be but just an idea.
@bearpaw
I'm not sure what options would be available.
Maybe the solution isn't in the forum software, but a mass email list and certain people who could mass email or text important messages to forum members, and not spam it.
Post by: bearpaw on December 03, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Regarding future organization around these types of things, I know this forum has an advocacy sub-forum but from my experience it gets overlooked in favor of some of the more popular and active sub forums. It would great if there was a way to alert users to things like public comment periods, commission meetings, etc. like a banner alert. I'm no web designer so I don't know how difficult / possible that would be but just an idea.
@bearpaw
I'm not sure what options would be available
The moderator who used to take care of the advocacy board moved to Idaho. We need a new moderator for that board, that person could prepare and send alerts.
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 03, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
Regarding future organization around these types of things, I know this forum has an advocacy sub-forum but from my experience it gets overlooked in favor of some of the more popular and active sub forums. It would great if there was a way to alert users to things like public comment periods, commission meetings, etc. like a banner alert. I'm no web designer so I don't know how difficult / possible that would be but just an idea.
@bearpaw
I'm not sure what options would be available
The moderator who used to take care of the advocacy board moved to Idaho. We need a new moderator for that board, that person could prepare and send alerts.
Anyone interested in joining the mod team primarily for this purpose should send me a pm?
Post by: 85yota on December 03, 2021, 05:41:38 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 05:44:53 PM
Regarding future organization around these types of things, I know this forum has an advocacy sub-forum but from my experience it gets overlooked in favor of some of the more popular and active sub forums. It would great if there was a way to alert users to things like public comment periods, commission meetings, etc. like a banner alert. I'm no web designer so I don't know how difficult / possible that would be but just an idea.
@bearpaw
I'm not sure what options would be available
The moderator who used to take care of the advocacy board moved to Idaho. We need a new moderator for that board, that person could prepare and send alerts.
Anyone interested in joining the mod team primarily for this purpose should send me a pm?
Be nice to get someone that can go to yhese meetings
Post by: dreamingbig on December 07, 2021, 10:40:00 AM
He had the right idea!Regarding future organization around these types of things, I know this forum has an advocacy sub-forum but from my experience it gets overlooked in favor of some of the more popular and active sub forums. It would great if there was a way to alert users to things like public comment periods, commission meetings, etc. like a banner alert. I'm no web designer so I don't know how difficult / possible that would be but just an idea.
@bearpaw
I'm not sure what options would be available
The moderator who used to take care of the advocacy board moved to Idaho. We need a new moderator for that board, that person could prepare and send alerts.
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