Post by: meatwhack on December 02, 2021, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: jstone on December 02, 2021, 05:38:59 PM
Post by: HooknoseHunter on December 02, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 02, 2021, 05:43:14 PM
Post by: elkboy on December 02, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2021, 06:51:44 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
:yeah:
Terrible!!! :bash: :bash:
Perchance did the article mention a recipe? (Asking for a friend)
Post by: hunter399 on December 02, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Is I'm kinda surprised it took this long.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 02, 2021, 06:59:27 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.lol, smoke a pack a day!!!
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
Post by: Taco280AI on December 02, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2021, 07:01:20 PM
My G.A.S ran out, my tank is dry.
Wildlife management is no longer affected by hunters doing the right thing.
Post by: bigdub257 on December 02, 2021, 07:08:09 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
So you think "hunters" were responsible for this?
Post by: hunter399 on December 02, 2021, 07:08:42 PM
A few weeks ago I'd have been right there with elkboy, but our commission pulled the rug out from under us all, disregarded science, disregarded WDFW's hard work, disregarded the truth, and even disregarded the law....and banned spring bear at the behest of their .org loyalties, orgs whose members have been spiking trees and breaking laws for decades.Yup that pretty much sums it up.
My G.A.S ran out, my tank is dry.
Wildlife management is no longer affected by hunters doing the right thing.
Post by: elkboy on December 02, 2021, 07:14:45 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
So you think "hunters" were responsible for this?
I should have been more clear- it was more the statements above endorsing the poisoning that would erode public confidence. You're right, we don't know who is responsible or their specific motives.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 02, 2021, 07:17:18 PM
A few weeks ago I'd have been right there with elkboy, but our commission pulled the rug out from under us all, disregarded science, disregarded WDFW's hard work, disregarded the truth, and even disregarded the law....and banned spring bear at the behest of their .org loyalties, orgs whose members have been spiking trees and breaking laws for decades.
My G.A.S ran out, my tank is dry.
Wildlife management is no longer affected by hunters doing the right thing.
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: hughjorgan on December 02, 2021, 07:28:07 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 02, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
I think you were very clear with a statement “explicit cheering of illegal action”.Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
So you think "hunters" were responsible for this?
I should have been more clear- it was more the statements above endorsing the poisoning that would erode public confidence. You're right, we don't know who is responsible or their specific motives.
:dunno: I didn’t quite see it that way.
It would be like saying some people’s comments expose the tightness of their skinny pants. Kinda confusing, but I think it’s all in fun and you kinda assumed.
Did I forget to mention wolves should not be here and it’s eroded public confidence
Post by: Taco280AI on December 02, 2021, 07:38:14 PM
Post by: elkboy on December 02, 2021, 07:47:22 PM
My reaction to this had more to do with illegal poisoning, and the hunting community's response to it, than with frustration over wildlife management.
And I do hear you guys, including the spring bear decision KF mentioned. If the commission went against the best available science, and I haven't read up much on the spring bear issue yet, then I agree 100% that's a problem. I understand the frustration and anger over legitimate concerns. My response to anger and frustration, though, could never include the use of poisons on wildlife, or condoning it, or cheering it.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2021, 07:49:57 PM
An m44 cyanide dispenser is pretty dang quick.
Antifreeze not so much, I wouldn't wish that on any creature.
There are humane options for poison.
Do not interpret this post as an endorsement or advocating for such.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 02, 2021, 07:54:21 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 02, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
I also remember my family members about lost their outfitting business in Montana before they allowed hunting the worthless canines. Not much sympathy here.
Post by: Meathunter06 on December 02, 2021, 09:03:19 PM
What ever it takes!:yeah:
Post by: Seabass on December 02, 2021, 09:17:31 PM
A few weeks ago I'd have been right there with elkboy, but our commission pulled the rug out from under us all, disregarded science, disregarded WDFW's hard work, disregarded the truth, and even disregarded the law....and banned spring bear at the behest of their .org loyalties, orgs whose members have been spiking trees and breaking laws for decades.
My G.A.S ran out, my tank is dry.
Wildlife management is no longer affected by hunters doing the right thing.
ROGER THAT!
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 03, 2021, 08:02:39 AM
For every action there is a reaction.
Some like the reaction/some don't.
I think it balances things out.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2021, 08:26:31 AM
Post by: Colville on December 03, 2021, 08:43:19 AM
The trouble with peoples responses is that the tradition of treating law as inviolate has been predicated on the legitimacy of both the process and intent of the law. Do the people in WA and OR feel that game management is transparent and legitimate? There's actual intent in the west to diminish hunting and to do so through predator recruitment (among other things). It's part of a larger position that fewer hunters creates fewer gun rights proponents. Wolves aren't inherently good or bad. The people who have forced them on you and who have ruined hunting in some areas, they are not doing game management. They are doing people management. One can argue that bad law should be changed with good law, understood. But when a house is on fire, you'll always see folks make a bucket brigade rather than just hope FPD will be around soon. I'm not going to risk my livelihood and well-being with wolf civil disobedience, but I can't possibly fail to understand why others will.
Post by: timberfaller on December 03, 2021, 09:02:42 AM
IF you were ever around and involved in the PNW "Water War" you'd understand. There were two things that came to bare against the farmers/ranchers. One, government didn't believe in underground recharge and Two, predation was not a problem(salmon listing battle).
NOW, when simple common sense doesn't come to play in a biologist mind or government agency YOU are going to get SCREWED by them!!
There was a "reason" the ole timers dealt with the "wolf" in the ways and why they did. AKA: common sense!
Just another example of our "educational system" failing to teach! They've done a bag up job at indoctrination though!!
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
Post by: gramps on December 03, 2021, 09:59:35 AM
Not a smart move at all
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 10:12:03 AM
Oh I didn't need a recipe, I used to carry a pesticide license so I know plenty of things that would work. Milo strychnine for killing gophers would do just fine.
Can you even get that anymore? I got a couple fields ate up with gophers and sesrched around for pellets and a gopher planter.
Post by: birddogdad on December 03, 2021, 10:15:59 AM
Oh I didn't need a recipe, I used to carry a pesticide license so I know plenty of things that would work. Milo strychnine for killing gophers would do just fine.
Can you even get that anymore? I got a couple fields ate up with gophers and sesrched around for pellets and a gopher planter.
there was a greens keeper i saw once......
Post by: SuperX on December 03, 2021, 10:48:54 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 03, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
+1 who knows what else died on account of this poison. Hopefully no one's petsSad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
:yeah:
Terrible!!! :bash: :bash:
Perchance did the article mention a recipe? (Asking for a friend)
Post by: meatwhack on December 03, 2021, 10:52:56 AM
Unfortunately, this is impossible to stop. I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often. I think some forget that it is only the good will of the hunting community makes this whole wolf experiment possible. I don't like to imagine the scenario where this good will is lost
I’d bet it has happened more often than people realize. In this instance it just happened to be a pack that was collared so it didn’t fly under the radar.
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 11:08:40 AM
These actions led to Stevens County getting their own large carnivore person, Jeff Flood, and now Klickitat county is doing it over there.
More counties are going to follow suit.
WDFW is in a political quagmire, stalled, they cannot do their job.
Post by: timberfaller on December 03, 2021, 11:30:06 AM
Post by: Hilltop123 on December 03, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
Gross mismanagement was always going to lead to public intolerance, look how far WDFW has fallen in public trust, especially when they call a wolf depredation on cattle an angry badger, a coyote, domestic dogs, or coyotes.."game wardens" had to freaking call Olympia to get approval to call it a wolf attack even when the calf was still alive, its arse eaten out, and the pack howling 100 yards away.
These actions led to Stevens County getting their own large carnivore person, Jeff Flood, and now Klickitat county is doing it over there.
More counties are going to follow suit.
WDFW is in a political quagmire, stalled, they cannot do their job.
"Gross mismanagement"? I think it's being managed just the way WDFW wants it managed.
Post by: logola512c on December 03, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
They spike trees, block logging, remove cattle from range lands, block mining, block predator management...just for starters. They're blocking all consumptive use of forest lands. They attack what "we" do from all angles, and now they're sitting on the commission.
We've lost, its a forgone conclusion that hunting in western blue states is slowly going away, it's just a matter of time.
Western red states are reducing nonresident tags because of us not hunting here at home.
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 11:52:35 AM
I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.
When citizens are ignored, blamed, defamed, and financially hurt without remedy you will see abandonment of the law. While we dont have to accept this lawbreaking, acknowledgement isnt approval. The Anti Hunting forces wont treat sportsmen better if/we condemn these actions. they will just use them against us. Make no mistake the "Middle Ground" is sportsmen continually capitulating until our sport is gone, or so reduced that it cannot influence the general public sentiment.
Post by: Tinmaniac on December 03, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense,this group wants to go to war.murica right?Funny how short the distance is between the ghetto and the double wide
Post by: KFhunter on December 03, 2021, 11:54:54 AM
It'll be used against us weither or not we condone, or disavow it. It matters not.
Post by: SuperX on December 03, 2021, 12:01:28 PM
Well put.I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.
When citizens are ignored, blamed, defamed, and financially hurt without remedy you will see abandonment of the law. While we dont have to accept this lawbreaking, acknowledgement isnt approval. The Anti Hunting forces wont treat sportsmen better if/we condemn these actions. they will just use them against us. Make no mistake the "Middle Ground" is sportsmen continually capitulating until our sport is gone, or so reduced that it cannot influence the general public sentiment.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 03, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense,this group wants to go to war.murica right?Funny how short the distance is between the ghetto and the double wide
The wolf issue is contentious because the introduction of them into the GYA was done illegally without the proper wildlife impacts being studied, without adequate medical treatment to ensure the wolves that were released wouldn't spread disease, and false testimony to Congress regarding all of these topics. The spread of the Canadian wolves has decimated ungulate herds in the areas where they have been allowed to flourish. Cattle business have been particularly hard-hit because the wolves haven't been restricted to remote and wilderness areas, often propagating in populated areas, and preying on easy food - cattle, sheep, pets, and soon, little people. Some, whose families, livelihoods, and traditions have been threatened have chosen to fight these predators with means just as legal as those which were used to introduce them. In other words, illegal means. I don't condone poaching and I certainly understand how a rancher looking at the decimation of his calves might take controlling them into his own hands. The WA state wolf plan was specifically designed to make it next to impossible to meet conditions for further management. OR is similar. And now, with the wildlife commission infested with animal rights organization members, it's doubtful they'll ever be managed, whether or not they meet the "lofty" plan guidelines. I understand that those negatively affective have decided that enough is enough and they must take actions to protect that which they value into their own hands.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2021, 12:15:30 PM
Oh I didn't need a recipe, I used to carry a pesticide license so I know plenty of things that would work. Milo strychnine for killing gophers would do just fine.
Can you even get that anymore? I got a couple fields ate up with gophers and searched around for pellets and a gopher planter.
Yeah you could a few years ago but you have to sign paperwork and agree to only place it underground, not on the surface and you have to tell them what field your using it in. It comes in plain white paper feed bags and has a small inconspicuous label on it.
Post by: hunter399 on December 03, 2021, 12:24:21 PM
Sometimes good people have to do bad things to make things right.
It's just a saying ,it's not my personal view.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 03, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense,this group wants to go to war.murica right?Funny how short the distance is between the ghetto and the double wide
300+ posts and not one that brought anything substantive to the thread.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 03, 2021, 01:18:32 PM
Post by: Crunchy on December 03, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
Post by: idaho guy on December 03, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise. Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves. Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor. They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to. They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units? Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees? Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW??? Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.
When citizens are ignored, blamed, defamed, and financially hurt without remedy you will see abandonment of the law. While we dont have to accept this lawbreaking, acknowledgement isnt approval. The Anti Hunting forces wont treat sportsmen better if/we condemn these actions. they will just use them against us. Make no mistake the "Middle Ground" is sportsmen continually capitulating until our sport is gone, or so reduced that it cannot influence the general public sentiment.
:yeah: Kinda like how this country was formed. Taxation without representation. Hunters are paying ALL the bills for wildlife in blue states but have no say in wildlife management
Post by: birddogdad on December 03, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
Post by: logola512c on December 03, 2021, 03:31:43 PM
wonder how many elk this will save.. just sayin... i see "estimates" of 16-22 per year per wolf....
I've heard that a pack of 10 wolves eats the equivalent of 120 elk per year. Again, I don't disagree with the fact that wolves are/could decimate the ungulates. But the wolves are just being wolves. I disagree with folks condoning others taking action into their own hands that happens to be illegal. That's just not the way organized and civil society is supposed to work. This has been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the various perspectives.
Post by: buckfvr on December 03, 2021, 03:41:43 PM
Good on whoever offed the wolves and may many more follow. The whole wolf thing is another example of agenda driven organized civil society forcing their agenda on others despite history and science.
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
wonder how many elk this will save.. just sayin... i see "estimates" of 16-22 per year per wolf....
I've heard that a pack of 10 wolves eats the equivalent of 120 elk per year. Again, I don't disagree with the fact that wolves are/could decimate the ungulates. But the wolves are just being wolves. I disagree with folks condoning others taking action into their own hands that happens to be illegal. That's just not the way organized and civil society is supposed to work. This has been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the various perspectives.
A civilized society is the polite code for know your place and station plebs.
If those whom are effected most dont have a vested interest to work inside the system, will just work out side of it. Not only hoesd history give us plenty of examples within wildlife, but history in general.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 03, 2021, 03:56:07 PM
wonder how many elk this will save.. just sayin... i see "estimates" of 16-22 per year per wolf....
I've heard that a pack of 10 wolves eats the equivalent of 120 elk per year. Again, I don't disagree with the fact that wolves are/could decimate the ungulates. But the wolves are just being wolves. I disagree with folks condoning others taking action into their own hands that happens to be illegal. That's just not the way organized and civil society is supposed to work. This has been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the various perspectives.
You mean an organized and civil society that lets people loot and burn businesses, injure police and cause millions in damage without repercussion under the guise of "free speech"?
Post by: buckfvr on December 03, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Post by: logola512c on December 03, 2021, 04:14:34 PM
wonder how many elk this will save.. just sayin... i see "estimates" of 16-22 per year per wolf....
I've heard that a pack of 10 wolves eats the equivalent of 120 elk per year. Again, I don't disagree with the fact that wolves are/could decimate the ungulates. But the wolves are just being wolves. I disagree with folks condoning others taking action into their own hands that happens to be illegal. That's just not the way organized and civil society is supposed to work. This has been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the various perspectives.
You mean an organized and civil society that lets people loot and burn businesses, injure police and cause millions in damage without repercussion under the guise of "free speech"?
Pretty sure looting and burning businesses breaks a law or two. Pretty sure I have a problem with folks that are looting and burning businesses also. Look at that, you are in agreement with someone that lives in Seattle... Cheers
Post by: Igor on December 03, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
Seattle and many of those who live there are the glowing example of whats wrong with this country. Organized and civil society that it is. Once you folks have seattle squared away, then by all means come back and tackle the right and wrong of wolves.
Seattle folks have a chance at "getting squared away" this coming Tuesday. There is a special election to decide whether to recall Kshama Sawant from Seattle's District 3 city council seat. Any bets ??
Post by: logola512c on December 03, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
Seattle and many of those who live there are the glowing example of whats wrong with this country. Organized and civil society that it is. Once you folks have seattle squared away, then by all means come back and tackle the right and wrong of wolves.
I'm pretty sure we agree, despite my residing in Seattle, about the underlying principle that wolves need to be managed. Not sure what me living in Seattle has to do with anything else, other than that I have to drive a lot farther than just about everyone else on this board to fish/scout/hunt/recreate in the outdoors. Contrary to what some might think, not all Seattleites think the same, and not all folks outside of Seattle are the same. Again, I appreciate the dialogue and disparate viewpoints.
Post by: meatwhack on December 03, 2021, 04:23:48 PM
Post by: logola512c on December 03, 2021, 04:24:29 PM
Seattle and many of those who live there are the glowing example of whats wrong with this country. Organized and civil society that it is. Once you folks have seattle squared away, then by all means come back and tackle the right and wrong of wolves.
Seattle folks have a chance at "getting squared away" this coming Tuesday. There is a special election to decide whether to recall Kshama Sawant from Seattle's District 3 city council seat. Any bets ??
I wish it was a city-wide vote, but it is not. So I can't vote in it.
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2021, 04:32:05 PM
The saddest part about this situation is that if someone is convicted of this they will be absolutely hung while the mobs of looters and rioters walk freely and are actually encouraged by our government and media. This country is in absolutely pathetic shape.
Have any of the rewards offered in WA ever been collected on?
Post by: bearpaw on December 03, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
The saddest part about this situation is that if someone is convicted of this they will be absolutely hung while the mobs of looters and rioters walk freely and are actually encouraged by our government and media. This country is in absolutely pathetic shape.
Have any of the rewards offered in WA ever been collected on?
Several years ago a conviction was made for an illegal wolf kill, I don't know if whomever reported it got any reward?
Post by: Seabass on December 03, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
The saddest part about this situation is that if someone is convicted of this they will be absolutely hung while the mobs of looters and rioters walk freely and are actually encouraged by our government and media. This country is in absolutely pathetic shape.
The West and East edges of our country are in pathetic shape. Everything in between is still pretty awesome. Unfortunately the population of our country lives in those edges.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2021, 09:24:17 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 03, 2021, 09:28:59 PM
Here's a link to some available online.
https://www.solutionsstores.com/gopher-bait-50-strychnine
Post by: huntnphool on December 03, 2021, 09:29:34 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
It’s unfortunate it’s come to this, but I’ve learned over my many years that there is no compromise on the left. People are figuring it out, it’s not limited to the issue anymore either. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on December 03, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
Seattle and many of those who live there are the glowing example of whats wrong with this country. Organized and civil society that it is. Once you folks have seattle squared away, then by all means come back and tackle the right and wrong of wolves.
Seattle folks have a chance at "getting squared away" this coming Tuesday. There is a special election to decide whether to recall Kshama Sawant from Seattle's District 3 city council seat. Any bets ??
Lmao :chuckle:
Post by: chukarchaser on December 05, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on December 05, 2021, 06:44:23 PM
100% spot on. there is no compromise. problem with most conservatives/republicans is were told we have to keep the higher standard, take the higher road. well, look where that has left us. weve been 'turning the other cheek' for so long that it almost appears weve forgotten how to fight. people always think fighting is like boxing, clean and organized. at some point, were gonna have to realize the real stuff happens in the trenches. its a nasty way to go about it, but thats the truth. keep being told to stay the higher moral and do it the 'right' way, well be legislated right out or broke to the point where its an impossible climb out of the hole weve allowed talking heads to bury us inSad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
It’s unfortunate it’s come to this, but I’ve learned over my many years that there is no compromise on the left. People are figuring it out, it’s not limited to the issue anymore either. :twocents:
Post by: LDennis24 on December 05, 2021, 06:49:55 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 05, 2021, 07:28:26 PM
That might be the post of the year in my book. If I was smart enough to put as my signature below where I post I would lol.
Post by: nwhunter on December 05, 2021, 08:46:24 PM
Post by: Doublelunger on December 05, 2021, 08:50:02 PM
Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
:yeah:
Terrible!!! :bash: :bash:
Perchance did the article mention a recipe? (Asking for a friend)
This comment *censored*
(Some tongue in cheek comments probably don't need to be censored, and negative comments on this issue are understandable, but advising what to use as poison and where to buy it probably should not be on this forum, please refrain from that!)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 05, 2021, 09:31:32 PM
100% spot on. there is no compromise. problem with most conservatives/republicans is were told we have to keep the higher standard, take the higher road. well, look where that has left us. weve been 'turning the other cheek' for so long that it almost appears weve forgotten how to fight. people always think fighting is like boxing, clean and organized. at some point, were gonna have to realize the real stuff happens in the trenches. its a nasty way to go about it, but thats the truth. keep being told to stay the higher moral and do it the 'right' way, well be legislated right out or broke to the point where its an impossible climb out of the hole weve allowed talking heads to bury us inSad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
It’s unfortunate it’s come to this, but I’ve learned over my many years that there is no compromise on the left. People are figuring it out, it’s not limited to the issue anymore either. :twocents:
Yep.👍
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 05, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
:tup:100% spot on. there is no compromise. problem with most conservatives/republicans is were told we have to keep the higher standard, take the higher road. well, look where that has left us. weve been 'turning the other cheek' for so long that it almost appears weve forgotten how to fight. people always think fighting is like boxing, clean and organized. at some point, were gonna have to realize the real stuff happens in the trenches. its a nasty way to go about it, but thats the truth. keep being told to stay the higher moral and do it the 'right' way, well be legislated right out or broke to the point where its an impossible climb out of the hole weve allowed talking heads to bury us inSad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death. The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.
I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this. Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.
It’s unfortunate it’s come to this, but I’ve learned over my many years that there is no compromise on the left. People are figuring it out, it’s not limited to the issue anymore either. :twocents:
Yep.👍
Post by: Jingles on December 06, 2021, 05:42:50 AM
1. The act will fiel sentiment against hunters even if hunters had nothing to do with it.
2. This would of been a pack that would of served nicely for capturing and relocating to the areas so adamant on protecting the beast (Portland, Seattle, etc)
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 06, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Two reasons the poisoning of the wolves is unfortunate.
1. The act will fiel sentiment against hunters even if hunters had nothing to do with it.
2. This would of been a pack that would of served nicely for capturing and relocating to the areas so adamant on protecting the beast (Portland, Seattle, etc)
They can still relocate them. They could feed the animals in the tent zoo? Oh wait they have poison in them......
Post by: LDennis24 on December 06, 2021, 08:47:06 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 06, 2021, 09:00:58 AM
Do any of you use mouse poison? Or Roundup in your driveway? What's the difference? It's poisoning living breathing organisms. Again, what's the difference? The Province of Alberta still poisons wolves regularly with strychnine to reduce their population to help out caribou. A couple hundred a year last I knew. What makes poisoning mice ok but not wolves?
Not me, I wouldn't want my dogs getting into poisoned mouse carcasses or the bait itself.
Same with wolf poison, wouldn't want martin or wolverine getting into it.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 06, 2021, 09:02:57 AM
Do any of you use mouse poison? Or Roundup in your driveway? What's the difference? It's poisoning living breathing organisms. Again, what's the difference? The Province of Alberta still poisons wolves regularly with strychnine to reduce their population to help out caribou. A couple hundred a year last I knew. What makes poisoning mice ok but not wolves?Because men have turned sensational....it’s a generation thing. We poisoned the heck out of them back in the day for a reason. No one cared about the feelers of the anti’s
back then. Society has changed and some on here have morphed along with the change. Bottom line is wolves suck and don’t fit in to the food chain. We are the top carnivore now.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 06, 2021, 09:06:09 AM
Do any of you use mouse poison? Or Roundup in your driveway? What's the difference? It's poisoning living breathing organisms. Again, what's the difference? The Province of Alberta still poisons wolves regularly with strychnine to reduce their population to help out caribou. A couple hundred a year last I knew. What makes poisoning mice ok but not wolves?I do because it is legal. I do have concerns that rodents leaving my bait boxes around my cabin will be eaten by raptors and I am assuming eating rodents that are dying from poison is not good for the raptors.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 06, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
They need to learn to fear humans.
Post by: KFhunter on December 06, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
Never gonna happen.
SSS is going to do more harm than good, poisin killing unintended animals, not enough could be shot to make a dent, and they'd crucify you and destroy your life. The risk isn't worth a couple dead wolves that would quickly backfill.
Washington is screwed.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 06, 2021, 10:25:33 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2021, 09:14:42 PM
Gross mismanagement was always going to lead to public intolerance, look how far WDFW has fallen in public trust, especially when they call a wolf depredation on cattle an angry badger, a coyote, domestic dogs, or coyotes.."game wardens" had to freaking call Olympia to get approval to call it a wolf attack even when the calf was still alive, its arse eaten out, and the pack howling 100 yards away.
These actions led to Stevens County getting their own large carnivore person, Jeff Flood, and now Klickitat county is doing it over there.
More counties are going to follow suit.
WDFW is in a political quagmire, stalled, they cannot do their job.
"Gross mismanagement"? I think it's being managed just the way WDFW wants it managed.
:yeah:
Bringing the wolves in was Never about balancing the ecosystem, it was about destroying the balance. And as many have seen the wolves have and are doing a fine job of it. Remember the Rockholm documentary on the Yellowstone elk herd? How many sick elk were slaughtered by the wolves in five years?
Oregon and WA came out with first wolf pack in 70 years on the very same day, imagine the coordination for that line of BS.
Livestock producers etc. figured out along time ago, ways to protect their livestock instead of wasting more livestock by calling the fraud department.
Anyone who wants to complain about the way wolves die, should place their anger 'sad feelings' at those who brought the wolves in and then refuse to manage them.. :twocents:
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PM
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Post by: ironhead14 on December 27, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
Post by: haus on December 27, 2021, 01:32:55 PM
Post by: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 27, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AM
It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
Post by: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
Post by: wolfbait on December 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Post by: haus on December 31, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Post by: wolfbait on January 01, 2022, 10:01:49 PM
Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?
Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...
Post by: Special T on January 01, 2022, 10:29:19 PM
Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?
Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...
Its a sales pitch. NC is a non profit so my guess is that some kind of compromise can be meet. Say i have land worth 100k that needs selling at an estate sale. I can accept 50K cash and take the rest as a 501c3 donation. NC has the time and ability to extract full price from the feds where as an individual gets a quicker sale and a tax deduction as opposed to paying more. That is how I would structure it if i was playing a numbers game. It may be even more profitable than that depending on conditions of sale.
Post by: idaho guy on January 02, 2022, 11:17:22 AM
Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?
Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...
Its a sales pitch. NC is a non profit so my guess is that some kind of compromise can be meet. Say i have land worth 100k that needs selling at an estate sale. I can accept 50K cash and take the rest as a 501c3 donation. NC has the time and ability to extract full price from the feds where as an individual gets a quicker sale and a tax deduction as opposed to paying more. That is how I would structure it if i was playing a numbers game. It may be even more profitable than that depending on conditions of sale.
:yeah: Good explanation of one of the big reasons special T 👍
Post by: wolfbait on January 02, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge.
Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.
The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabs
https://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/
BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancy
https://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?
Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...
Its a sales pitch. NC is a non profit so my guess is that some kind of compromise can be meet. Say i have land worth 100k that needs selling at an estate sale. I can accept 50K cash and take the rest as a 501c3 donation. NC has the time and ability to extract full price from the feds where as an individual gets a quicker sale and a tax deduction as opposed to paying more. That is how I would structure it if i was playing a numbers game. It may be even more profitable than that depending on conditions of sale.
:yeah: Good explanation of one of the big reasons special T 👍
https://newswithviews.com/your_govt/your_government52.htm
https://newswithviews.com/Shaw/michael.htm
http://www.rangemagazine.com/archives/tnc/archive/tnc/tnc-sp-03a.pdf
Post by: HighlandLofts on January 05, 2022, 02:36:58 AM
Should be in another thread by itself.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 05, 2022, 06:01:52 AM
Post by: wolfbait on January 05, 2022, 09:24:08 AM
Thread Drift
:yeah: Done drifting, hope drift didn't hurt anyone... ;)
Post by: chukarchaser on January 11, 2022, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 11, 2022, 07:38:10 PM
Capital Press is reporting a wolf shot sometime around 1/8 in this same general area. It was a collared two year old female.:tup: good deal!!
Post by: idaho guy on January 11, 2022, 08:33:07 PM
Capital Press is reporting a wolf shot sometime around 1/8 in this same general area. It was a collared two year old female.:tup: good deal!!
Sounds like some locals are implementing a sensible management plan
Post by: HighlandLofts on January 16, 2022, 07:11:17 AM