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Title: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 08:36:49 PM
I am not the deepest person in the politics side of things of WDFW.
I want to make something known that has been passed along to me that is very important information that the right people can use to make our voice heard and we each have a voice. So, let's do all we can while we can before our rights are gone.

I learned today for a highly reliable source that Koontz and Smith while sitting on the commission and voting our hunts away have NOT BEEN CONFIRMED. They can still be taken off the commission by not being confirmed. I was asked to share this info with the community.

That means we still have a chance to get them out and fill the seats with someone other than anti hunters who will not listen to the science and trust that their own bio's can make the right decisions and listen to the science and fact's other then political goals.

In the confirmation process that has not happened yet. There is a few people that can help to make sure this does not happen to my understanding.

Senator Kevin Van De Wege from Sequim is one of these people. His email is kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov.

Please take the time to write him in regard to Koontz and Smith and ask that he stop the confirmation of these two and ask that he gets people that have our wildlife and are rights on their mind. Also ask that he put effort into filling the last seat that would have kept our spring bear hunts from being taken away. This seat to my understanding is an eastern Washington seat. It would greatly help our chances to keep our rights moving forward so that these ties that ignore science and lock things up so we can't have our season don't happen.

I hope you can all take a minute and fight for our future. This blow is just one of many to comes if we don't stand up to this!
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Stein on December 08, 2021, 08:51:17 PM
Doesn't the governor appoint members?  I'm more than willing to do my part, but if they get ousted they will either be replaced with the same or worse and then the clock restarts.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 08:57:17 PM
Yes, from my understanding he appoints them but does not have full power to confirm. So, My understanding is it's like a probation period and they can end up not being confirmed and then replaced. People with pollical goals and ones that won't listen to science and make our hunts start disappearing is to me bad news. This is also why the last seat needs to be filled so that these ties dont happen. 
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: MADMAX on December 08, 2021, 09:06:40 PM
Worth an email I’d say
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Special T on December 08, 2021, 09:18:05 PM
Van De Wege has been the HSUS state senator of the year several times. Henis not our friend. Imo i would write the whole Senate Natural Resources Committee. :twocents:
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 09:22:13 PM
Even better. Don’t know who all gets to help confirm but the more buzz we make the better. I was told he was one of the ones to contact.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: DeerThug on December 08, 2021, 09:39:46 PM
I usually stay on the side lines but I am so sick of this stuff. 
Email sent to Van De Wick as well as Senator King.

Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
That is my thoughts as well. To many of us stand on the sideline. Together we are a loud voice is we can band together.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: nwhunter on December 09, 2021, 07:58:29 AM
Thanks for the info. I sent Kevin an email with no hope it will make a difference but we have to try. Kevin may be from the peninsula but from what I see that he supports he may as well be from Seattle.. LIkes to add more wilderness and park and probly wants that full of wolves and bears too. Definitely time to band together and somehow get a voice for us on the wildlife commission. If I wasn't moving to Idaho to get away from this stupidity I would try and get on there.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 09, 2021, 09:14:52 AM
I’ve sent emails to the commission and dimslee and will to Kevin van. But here’s a thought I haven’t seen discussed. Do the commissioners apply for positions and is there a pool of apps? Can we see who is in the pool and write in he gov to add some favorable seats? If there is 1 empty seat and these 2 nitwits aren’t confirmed that’s 3 positions to sway votes. I know gov will fill with his people but we can apply more pressure.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2021, 09:22:34 AM
Has anyone actually received a response to their emails? I sure haven't  :dunno:
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: raydog on December 09, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
Has anyone actually received a response to their emails? I sure haven't  :dunno:

I haven’t received any word back yet.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 09, 2021, 10:07:03 AM
Along with emailing Kevin as stated above I would urge everyone to send an email or make a call to their State Senator.  Right after the vote I emailed the commission first, but then emailed my elected officials (State Senators and Representatives).  I did receive a response from the Senator from my district that he would be sure to Vote against the confirmation of the Smith and Koontz if/when the time came.  I would encourage all to do the same.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/)

https://app.leg.wa.gov/MemberEmail/ (https://app.leg.wa.gov/MemberEmail/)
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: KNOPHISH on December 09, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
I got this acknowledgment from commission.

Good Morning,
Thank you for your comments. They have been forwarded to the Commission.
 
If you would like to listen to the meeting and view the materials surrounding the Spring Bear decision please see the meeting dates of October 21-23, November 15 and November 19 linked below.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021
 
Have a great day,
Nikki
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2021, 10:26:43 AM
I got this acknowledgment from commission.

Good Morning,
Thank you for your comments. They have been forwarded to the Commission.
 
If you would like to listen to the meeting and view the materials surrounding the Spring Bear decision please see the meeting dates of October 21-23, November 15 and November 19 linked below.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021
 
Have a great day,
Nikki
I think we all got that one  :chuckle: thanks Nikki 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: baldopepper on December 09, 2021, 10:39:12 AM
I don't know if anyone on here has tried, but it used to be, and I think still is, quite easy to make an appointment and go see your representative's in person. Years ago I was quite active in lobbying for changes in our salmon regulations and had no problem making an appointment and discussing the issues in person with my reps. I do know that one immediately pulled out letters he'd received from sports fishermen calling him names and one even threatening him. Certainly didn't help our cause, but he listened to our spill anyway. If you're serious, might try getting an appointment and talking live, harder to brush you off than it is to brush off an email.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Torrent50 on December 09, 2021, 10:50:04 AM
Has anyone actually received a response to their emails? I sure haven't  :dunno:

I received a call from one of my reps office on Tuesday.  I posted info on what he said in the other two spring bear threads.  I will keep emailing and expand my list of recipients as well.  Time to be a squeaky wheel and not just say "what will be will be."
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: baldopepper on December 09, 2021, 11:23:30 AM
Trying to think of an organization that specifically represents the interests of Washington hunters.  One that has a fair amount of members and speaks political language (translation: makes campaign contributions and sways it's members to vote one way or another).  That's what it takes to get anything accomplished. I can sure think of several anti hunting groups that know how to talk politics. Until we get organized and quit spending most of our time arguing amongst ourselves we're just a disorganized  bunch of complainers who are easily disregarded.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2021, 11:26:06 AM
Trying to think of an organization that specifically represents the interests of Washington hunters.  One that has a fair amount of members and speaks political language (translation: makes campaign contributions and sways it's members to vote one way or another).  That's what it takes to get anything accomplished. I can sure think of several anti hunting groups that know how to talk politics. Until we get organized and quit spending most of our time arguing amongst ourselves we're just a disorganized  bunch of complainers who are easily disregarded.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,266604.msg3617544/topicseen.html#new
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
One of our members here is in the running firnthe eastern WA seat. His name is Rylan and believe he goes by HDD or something like that here. He is going to be speaking TONIGHT  on hunt fish northwest broadcast. He is the one we want on the commission! Let's get behind him, and push as hard as we can to get him there. Not sure if we can post links here but I know of Facebook they are doing a live broadcast tonight with Rylan.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
One of our members here is in the running firnthe eastern WA seat. His name is Rylan and believe he goes by HDD or something like that here. He is going to be speaking TONIGHT  on hunt fish northwest broadcast. He is the one we want on the commission! Let's get behind him, and push as hard as we can to get him there. Not sure if we can post links here but I know of Facebook they are doing a live broadcast tonight with Rylan.
fill us in. Why is Rylan our guy? Do you happen to know what time he is gonna be on tonight?
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 01:54:20 PM
I believe the show starts at 6pm. Rylan is an avid hunter, fisherman and very versed in legal issues. He's a young attorney who is intelligent and passionate about Washington wildlife and fisheries!
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 01:56:07 PM
Here's the fbook page.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
I also am hearing that radio guy Tom Nelson is looking for a spearhead group to create a recall petition to remove the last two commissioners. But can not confirm whether or not he has found any help. He was on the Dori Monson show the other day talking about the spring bear thing.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 09, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
I believe the show starts at 6pm. Rylan is an avid hunter, fisherman and very versed in legal issues. He's a young attorney who is intelligent and passionate about Washington wildlife and fisheries!
great to hear. Never thought I'd say this but I like that he's a lawyer  :chuckle: unfortunately the future of our passion will be decided in the courtroom and we will need people who understand how that works because I sure has heck don't.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 02:09:37 PM
I believe the show starts at 6pm. Rylan is an avid hunter, fisherman and very versed in legal issues. He's a young attorney who is intelligent and passionate about Washington wildlife and fisheries!
great to hear. Never thought I'd say this but I like that he's a lawyer  :chuckle: unfortunately the future of our passion will be decided in the courtroom and we will need people who understand how that works because I sure has heck don't.

I will add that he's NOT your typical attorney. This coming from a guy who is retired LEO and never ever in a million years thought he'd be friends with one. He's become a truly great friend through the years.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 09, 2021, 02:12:04 PM
Sounds very promising.  May be good for all of us to officially recommend him.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant (https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant)
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 09, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
One of our members here is in the running firnthe eastern WA seat. His name is Rylan and believe he goes by HDD or something like that here. He is going to be speaking TONIGHT  on hunt fish northwest broadcast. He is the one we want on the commission! Let's get behind him, and push as hard as we can to get him there. Not sure if we can post links here but I know of Facebook they are doing a live broadcast tonight with Rylan.

MM - thanks for the support! Like most of you, I find the direction of fish and wildlife management in WA concerning. I'm just trying to do something to help right the ship. I'm more than happy to talk issues, positions, or just shoot the breeze if anyone is interested.

Rylan W.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 09, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Thanks for popping in here. Here you go guys. Access to someone who is in the running for a very important position in the future of WDFW.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: raydog on December 10, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
One of our members here is in the running firnthe eastern WA seat. His name is Rylan and believe he goes by HDD or something like that here. He is going to be speaking TONIGHT  on hunt fish northwest broadcast. He is the one we want on the commission! Let's get behind him, and push as hard as we can to get him there. Not sure if we can post links here but I know of Facebook they are doing a live broadcast tonight with Rylan.


MM - thanks for the support! Like most of you, I find the direction of fish and wildlife management in WA concerning. I'm just trying to do something to help right the ship. I'm more than happy to talk issues, positions, or just shoot the breeze if anyone is interested.

Rylan W.

Is there anything that we can help you with Rylan? I’m just an average outdoorsman who is tired of losing rights after rights, but if there’s some we can do I’d like to know.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: brokentrail on December 10, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Yep, I'm with @raydog.  I will do anything I can to assist but other than donating money and sending emails that probably don't get read, I'm unsure of how best to help.
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on December 10, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Sounds very promising.  May be good for all of us to officially recommend him.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant (https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant)

We need some more info from @HereDuckyDucky so we can fill his name in...
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Special T on December 10, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
39 min mark has Rylan on talking goes till 56 min I think

Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 10, 2021, 12:03:28 PM
Sounds very promising.  May be good for all of us to officially recommend him.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant (https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant)

We need some more info from @HereDuckyDucky so we can fill his name in...

Let me know what you need.

Rylan
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on December 10, 2021, 12:10:02 PM
Sounds very promising.  May be good for all of us to officially recommend him.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant (https://www.governor.wa.gov/boards-commissions/boards-commissions/recommend-applicant)

We need some more info from @HereDuckyDucky so we can fill his name in...

Let me know what you need.

Rylan
Do you have a letter template? Or some specific info we should include here? Can go simple obviously or post nothing it appears.
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I (we) can obviously fill this spot out
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Would need your first/last name, and email for this part at a minimum
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Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 10, 2021, 12:22:59 PM
In terms of required applicant information:

Rylan Weythman
rylan.weythman@foster.com
Pateros, WA

In terms of what folks write in the box (or letter), I think that's really up to them. These kinds of messages are more impactful when they come uniquely from the author. If having a conversation would be helpful in putting those thoughts together, message me, and I'll get you my phone number.

Thanks for the continued interest and support.

Rylan
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2021, 10:01:06 PM
I'm in, you sounded very good on the show.  Really liked what you said. 
Title: Re: Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
Just heard from a solid source Koontz RESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THIS IS HUGE AND A HUGE WIN FOR US SPORTSMAN AND WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OUR VOICE IS BEING HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Stein on December 13, 2021, 11:37:06 AM
It's only a move in the right direction if his replacement is better.  Nothing saying it can't go from bad to worse unfortunately.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
Anything in the right direction is positive and that's the way I am looking at it.

Sure, beats the negative trend that's been happening even if it's a small step. True that the bigger positive of "will the next one be better" is still is out there it's to be determined.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 13, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
 :tup:   


has anyone that wrote Senator Kevin Van De Wege gotten a response?   I have not
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 13, 2021, 01:05:42 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.   
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: raydog on December 13, 2021, 03:58:25 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.

Is there any other candidates aside from rylan that we know of? Rylan is the only person I’m aware of that is going to try and make a positive change...
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: andersonjk4 on December 13, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.

Is there any other candidates aside from rylan that we know of? Rylan is the only person I’m aware of that is going to try and make a positive change...

Not that I'm aware of.  Hopefully someone with some credentials will step up and apply and we can all back them. 
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Todd_ID on December 13, 2021, 05:36:26 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.

Is there any other candidates aside from rylan that we know of? Rylan is the only person I’m aware of that is going to try and make a positive change...

Not that I'm aware of.  Hopefully someone with some credentials will step up and apply and we can all back them.

I've applied three separate times and have never received as much as a phone call from the gatekeeper in return. One application was explainable for not needing a response since a Commissioner was appointed in that same application pool from Asotin County thus rendering me ineligible. I have a current application submitted again with no feedback. Obviously the selection process is as much of a mystery to me as it is to many on here. Todd Johnston, Clarkston, WA.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: Scrotus on December 13, 2021, 07:06:04 PM
We have to keep the pressure on by bombarding with emails…….it works. And yes, it will never end.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: emac on December 13, 2021, 07:13:07 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.

Is there any other candidates aside from rylan that we know of? Rylan is the only person I’m aware of that is going to try and make a positive change...

Not that I'm aware of.  Hopefully someone with some credentials will step up and apply and we can all back them.

I've applied three separate times and have never received as much as a phone call from the gatekeeper in return. One application was explainable for not needing a response since a Commissioner was appointed in that same application pool from Asotin County thus rendering me ineligible. I have a current application submitted again with no feedback. Obviously the selection process is as much of a mystery to me as it is to many on here. Todd Johnston, Clarkston, WA.
I don't know Todd personally but one of my good friends hunts with him often.  And from what I know Todd hunts a ton and would be a great person to support if there was a way to support someone.  Thanks for trying again Todd.

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Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2021, 07:18:38 PM
Wish they would get back to you Todd!!! You would be excellent for that position and a huge benefit to sportsman.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 13, 2021, 07:49:24 PM
It would be really good for us (hunters) to back a qualified candidate(s) and really push hard to get them appointed as a replacement.

Is there any other candidates aside from rylan that we know of? Rylan is the only person I’m aware of that is going to try and make a positive change...

Not that I'm aware of.  Hopefully someone with some credentials will step up and apply and we can all back them.

I've applied three separate times and have never received as much as a phone call from the gatekeeper in return. One application was explainable for not needing a response since a Commissioner was appointed in that same application pool from Asotin County thus rendering me ineligible. I have a current application submitted again with no feedback. Obviously the selection process is as much of a mystery to me as it is to many on here. Todd Johnston, Clarkston, WA.



Find this interesting especially after listening to Duane at FishHuntNW  with what has been happening or not happening??? I'm with Carp WE need to do more before all is gone.....
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: raydog on December 14, 2021, 10:35:40 AM
Sent a bunch of emails out and comments last night. Will do it all again tonight. Petition was closing in on 19k last time I looked.
Title: Re: "UPDATE READ" Let's make a hard line in the sand/stand up for our rights!!!!
Post by: buckfvr on December 15, 2021, 11:00:52 AM
My biggest concern isnt his qualifications, rather that some of the current commissioners who are mere extensions of the governors agenda, will view him as an adversary.  With his qualifications being as they are, colleague he may be, but adversary will cancel that out.  So in my way of thinking, it will boil down to how he is perceived by other commissioners who hold huge sway as governor representatives of his constituency.   :twocents:
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