Post by: buggy on December 15, 2021, 01:45:02 PM
My criteria,
Relatively easy to find factory ammo (I don't reload.... yet)
Manageable recoil (I want to shoot more than a few rounds before my shoulder is done)
Enough energy to knock down an elk without too much sweat
Budget $2000 (hopefully including glass but could stretch it a bit if needed)
I'm just barely diving into this and haven't made any firm decisions yet so all thoughts and opinions are welcome! I want to learn!
Post by: elkrack on December 15, 2021, 01:59:24 PM
Post by: buggy on December 15, 2021, 02:14:20 PM
Post by: headshot5 on December 15, 2021, 02:54:42 PM
You need to get a weight in mind for your fully outfitted rifle, mostly for using it to hunt (lighter being easier to carry). Heavier is usually easier to shoot at long range. Decide if you are okay with a brake or not. A brake would open you up to a host of magnum rifles while still allowing you to manage recoil.
I'd probably start with a scope that will get you to 1000 yards first. Something like the Nightforce, or Zeiss, or Leupold. I know there are a bunch of other options but those are 3 prominent ones that have models that have repeatable turrets that track.
You also haven't mentioned if you are building a gun or buying a factory one.
Post by: huntnphool on December 15, 2021, 03:00:11 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 15, 2021, 03:02:15 PM
7mm Rem Mag :tup:
Tikka 7mm rem mag, throw a VX5HD on it. Get solid rings and a rail.
Post by: Reidus on December 15, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
6.5 creedmoor
6.8 Western
300 PRC
6.5 PRC
28 Nosler
etc.
A lot of the standard calibers were never designed to shoot heavy bullets and many of the factory rifles don't have a fast enough twist to stabilize the long heavy bullets.
If you reload that can give you a lot more options.
Post by: HUNT JR on December 15, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 15, 2021, 03:10:44 PM
I shoot a 28 nosler. I shoot the hornady precision hunter and they shoot 1/2 minute in the Christensen I use. I think as far as long range shooting in the .284 that it is hard to beat. It shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag which gives you more margin for error. I have struggled to find ammo for it this year though. I think you could go with a browning xbolt or a tikka veil with a quality scope that tracks accurately (Zeiss v4) and have a rifle more than capable of 1000 yard shooting.
284 win shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag?
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 15, 2021, 03:15:17 PM
7mm Rem Mag :tup:
He said manageable recoil beyond a couple rounds :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on December 15, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
It's going to be tough to get a 1,000 year elk rifle with moderate recoil. If you want to target shoot at 1,000 and shoot elk at 600, much more realistic otherwise you're going to need a pretty good cannon to hold energy that far out.
For a true 1,000 yard elk gun I would probably go with the boring 300 win mag, perfect combo of power at range, reasonable drop and very good factory ammo choices.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 15, 2021, 03:23:19 PM
7mm Rem Mag :tup:
He said manageable recoil beyond a couple rounds :chuckle:
I shot my rifle 25 rounds the other day at the range fire forming brass, my shoulder was quivering after but I still got it done 😂…on the heavy end of a hunting rifle though
Post by: buckfvr on December 15, 2021, 03:32:03 PM
Quality ammo is expensive and to shoot a lot and get to 1k, you will want a comfortable moderate recoil caliber. I would look at non belted 7mms or the 6.5s. Those will be easy shooters especially with a brake.
Post by: buggy on December 15, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
With your stipulations I'd say a 270 or a 30-06 (ammo on the shelf). A 280 or 280 AI if you plan on getting into handloading soon.
You need to get a weight in mind for your fully outfitted rifle, mostly for using it to hunt (lighter being easier to carry). Heavier is usually easier to shoot at long range. Decide if you are okay with a brake or not. A brake would open you up to a host of magnum rifles while still allowing you to manage recoil.
I'd probably start with a scope that will get you to 1000 yards first. Something like the Nightforce, or Zeiss, or Leupold. I know there are a bunch of other options but those are 3 prominent ones that have models that have repeatable turrets that track.
You also haven't mentioned if you are building a gun or buying a factory one.
I am not opposed to a break.
I was thinking a factory one but building one sounds fun too. I've just never done it so it would be a learning experience in itself.
Post by: buggy on December 15, 2021, 03:39:28 PM
I'm a huge 30-06 fan, but it's no 1,000 yard elk caliber for sure unless you have lots of spin available on the old turret.
It's going to be tough to get a 1,000 year elk rifle with moderate recoil. If you want to target shoot at 1,000 and shoot elk at 600, much more realistic otherwise you're going to need a pretty good cannon to hold energy that far out.
For a true 1,000 yard elk gun I would probably go with the boring 300 win mag, perfect combo of power at range, reasonable drop and very good factory ammo choices.
You nailed it. I want to shoot targets at 1000 and elk at 600 or less.
Post by: buggy on December 15, 2021, 03:44:39 PM
Full disclosure, I do have a 30-06, 300 wsm, 6.5 CM that I could tinker with but I'm trying to justify buying a new gun so don't be logical and tell me to use what I already have. :chuckle:
Post by: spoonman on December 15, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
6.5rpm
6.5-300
7mag
26 Nosler
28 Nosler
And I’m sure plenty more will be great rounds to shoot to a 1000 yards and enough to harvest animals to 500-600. Spend more on your glass! Most of those calibers mentioned come in Browning, Savage, Tikka, and others. $2000 is tight for good glass and a decent rifle. Good glass starts at $1200 or so and up. So maybe a SHV on a Tikka or Xbolt would be a good setup. Get a brake if you don’t like recoil. I have a Xbolt long range in 300wm and a SHV on top and it’s a half moa setup for a bit over $2000.
Post by: GWP on December 15, 2021, 04:11:00 PM
Well, first I would suggest taking what you have, setting it up good, and see if your skill level is up to a K gun. If you have a capable 1 MOA and shoot 3 MOA at 100 yards, you may reconsider and just make what you have better.
If you just want to spread holes all over a target at 1K or want to be able to state you HAVE a 1K shooter, then never mind and go for it.
I have seen this a LOT over the last 50 years. Long range guns are cool, but they don’t have to be a ‘one off’ or expensive, but they are cool to have. The main part to shooting accurately is to shoot a LOT and work on your breathing skills. Most guns by themselves are pretty accurate once you find a load they like.
One of the most accurate guns I have ever owned is an old military 7X57 with the original barrel, trigger and a miss matched stock it was bedded to. Probably not worth $300. On par in accuracy to any of the three custom ones I have had built.
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 15, 2021, 04:52:30 PM
I have a 7stw, 338 RUM, 280AI, all custom and I handload for all of the above. Each has it's sweet spot I really like how heavy I can load the 338RUM and it's a sweet shooter but it's a little over the top for deer. It's taken 3 elk out to 600 with zero hesitation. I've also shot a couple of mule deer with it. It is however a bugger to find factory ammo or brass.
7 stw shines for deer it's a long range flat shooter but like it's cousin 280 AI it's limited in bullet weight to 175grn. It flat out smacks deer.
280 AI I've only shot it a little bit (new gun), but I really like it's performance so far. I simply need to shoot it more.
The 6.5 I have is a factory Tikka and it shoots right outta the box. I bought it as a pinker to punch paper with. Never planned on hunting with it but, I have loaned it to 2 youth and a female hunter because of the low recoil and each has taken deer to 350 with it and all one shot kills.
I guess what I'm saying is there really isn't a one stop shop for what you're trying to do. If I had only one in my safe it'd be the 7stw.
Post by: HUNT JR on December 15, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
I shoot a 28 nosler. I shoot the hornady precision hunter and they shoot 1/2 minute in the Christensen I use. I think as far as long range shooting in the .284 that it is hard to beat. It shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag which gives you more margin for error. I have struggled to find ammo for it this year though. I think you could go with a browning xbolt or a tikka veil with a quality scope that tracks accurately (Zeiss v4) and have a rifle more than capable of 1000 yard shooting.
284 win shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag?
I meant it to read that out of the .284 options, the 28 nosler is a great option that is flatter shooting than a rem mag.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 15, 2021, 04:56:40 PM
I shoot a 28 nosler. I shoot the hornady precision hunter and they shoot 1/2 minute in the Christensen I use. I think as far as long range shooting in the .284 that it is hard to beat. It shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag which gives you more margin for error. I have struggled to find ammo for it this year though. I think you could go with a browning xbolt or a tikka veil with a quality scope that tracks accurately (Zeiss v4) and have a rifle more than capable of 1000 yard shooting.
284 win shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag?
I meant it to read that out of the .284 options, the 28 nosler is a great option that is flatter shooting than a rem mag.
Hardly flatter shooting though. You get like 100fps more with 10 grains more powder. So it’s up to the shooter if that’s worth it
Post by: jasnt on December 15, 2021, 07:12:20 PM
Post by: jjness11 on December 15, 2021, 08:33:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 16, 2021, 02:36:37 AM
7mm Rem Mag :tup:
He said manageable recoil beyond a couple rounds :chuckle:
I’m bald, without a man bun! The recoil has never been a issue, all my trophy’s have been one shot!
7mmRM has always worked for me. :twocents:
YMMV
Post by: hunter399 on December 16, 2021, 05:41:30 AM
I second the 7 mag.7mm Rem Mag :tup:
He said manageable recoil beyond a couple rounds :chuckle:
I’m bald, without a man bun! The recoil has never been a issue, all my trophy’s have been one shot!
7mmRM has always worked for me. :twocents:
YMMV
Recoil not that bad.
I hand load ......so all that balistic you see on the back of a factory ammo is pretty weak ,and way under powered.
140/150 grain pushed to the max ,gets that bullet moving.
The very best thing about 7 mag is since I've been using it a few years now.
NO BLOOD TRAIL cause it dumps them in the dirt.
I have yet to see a deer I shot with plow dirt more than 10 feet.
I'm currently using 150 grain ,but also my go to is 160 grain.
Just out my head,150 grain bullet is pretty dang close to 3200 fps ,that puts some smack down within 500 yards.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 16, 2021, 06:38:18 AM
7mm Rem Mag :tup:
He said manageable recoil beyond a couple rounds :chuckle:
I’m bald, without a man bun! The recoil has never been a issue, all my trophy’s have been one shot!
7mmRM has always worked for me. :twocents:
YMMV
Shaved head here...and a beard :chuckle:
Lots of years behind a 7mag. Lots of dead animals... guaranteed to work just fine...but bad shoulders, and I like to shoot allot. 30-40 rounds thru a 7mag is not a fun range day. Kick that up to a 100 when developing a range card for a grand and it just sucked.
Got a 6.5prc last year. The things a dream to shoot. Way less recoil, quicker follow ups,etc...It'll run neck and neck with the mag ballistically. And it's one shot killed everything I've hit this year.
7mag is a safe queen now...the PRC gets to have all the fun.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 07:29:11 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 16, 2021, 07:45:06 AM
If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm :chuckle: it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.Back the the "old days"
Which is still true today, that's how they fazed out old calibers. Make a ton of ammo for the new stuff.
We sell more rifles that way.
I'm not saying the 6.8 is bad or good.
I'm just saying be careful cause that's how they play us like a fiddle.
Post by: kselkhunter on December 16, 2021, 07:51:37 AM
If going factory ammo make sure you find a large enough stock and buy it if it's in same lot code. Or make the decision to reload and start gathering up components. It would suck to pick a cartridge for your new rifle and be waiting 6 months to a year to get ammo.
There are far too many cartridges available to try to influence a direction for you. On the recoil topic, stock design also comes into play. New rifle with effective recoil pad. I recently picked up an old used Mauser 98 in 25-06. Beautiful but heavy wood stock, total weight with scope is 9.5lbs. Shooting 120gr partitions that little sucker kicks more than you'd think. That old rubber recoil pad is past it's prime and needs replacing, and the stock design could be better. I shoot my 8lb 35 Whelen with 250gr Partitions, and it thumps but the new recoil pad I put on it makes a huge huge difference (no brakes on any of my rifles). There are various ways to manage recoil.
To the Opps desire of shooting to 1000 at paper and 600 yards at animals with factory ammo, before I started reloading I bought a new X-bolt Long Range in 7mmRM and topped it with a Swarovski Z5 5-25x52 scope and had custom turrets made for factory ammo (and later for my hand loads) specific to the Nosler 168gr ABLR factory ammo. I bought up 15 boxes of that ammo at that time of rifle purchase (yeah, good luck finding that much today) I regularly practiced out to 600 yards and that rifle was surprisingly accurate with that factory ammo. Recoil was not bad at all. I really like the X-Bolts for a factory rifle. But pick a cartridge that is more available at the time you go to purchase the rifle and buy as many boxes in the same lot code as available....
Good luck with your decision.
Post by: HUNT JR on December 16, 2021, 07:56:31 AM
I shoot a 28 nosler. I shoot the hornady precision hunter and they shoot 1/2 minute in the Christensen I use. I think as far as long range shooting in the .284 that it is hard to beat. It shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag which gives you more margin for error. I have struggled to find ammo for it this year though. I think you could go with a browning xbolt or a tikka veil with a quality scope that tracks accurately (Zeiss v4) and have a rifle more than capable of 1000 yard shooting.
284 win shoots a lot flatter than a 7mm rem mag?
I meant it to read that out of the .284 options, the 28 nosler is a great option that is flatter shooting than a rem mag.
Hardly flatter shooting though. You get like 100fps more with 10 grains more powder. So it’s up to the shooter if that’s worth it
Where are you seeing only 100 fps slower? My 7mm rem mag handloads (at or just over max load) are roughly 230 FPS slower than my factory 28 nosler shooting the same 162 gr eldx bullet. I would argue by handloading I could make that gap 300fps if I wanted.
To the original question I think the 28 nosler is the better choice performance wise and would be what I would shoot. With a muzzle break on my rifle, it shoots easy and recoil hasn't been an issue.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 08:12:21 AM
Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 7rm. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets :chuckle:) but north of 160 its just no contest.
Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag. I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly.
Post by: Dan-o on December 16, 2021, 08:25:41 AM
If you're recoil sensitive a 28 is a terrible choice UNLESS you spin a brake on there.
Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 28. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets :chuckle:) but north of 160 its just no contest.
Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag. I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly.
I disagree.
In my experience, the 28 does not run away from the 28.
Actually, the 28 very precisely tracks the 28, all things being equal.
Post by: Taco280AI on December 16, 2021, 08:26:20 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 08:38:24 AM
PFFFF!!!! You obviously don't understand ballistics sir! Read the internet sometime why don't ya!If you're recoil sensitive a 28 is a terrible choice UNLESS you spin a brake on there.
Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 28. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets :chuckle:) but north of 160 its just no contest.
Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag. I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly.
I disagree.
In my experience, the 28 does not run away from the 28.
Actually, the 28 very precisely tracks the 28, all things being equal.
:chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on December 16, 2021, 08:38:49 AM
Case capacity....
It all depends ,are you chasing speed,bc,sectional density,all that.
Case capacity is king ,just my :twocents:
It's like the 7 mag ,I don't want anything with higher recoil.
It's what I can shoot accurate. Or less ,I hunt with a few different calibers. 7mag is as big as I go though.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 08:40:57 AM
The older and more experienced I get, the more I subscribe to KISS. A 280AI is all the long range I need and often hunting I've found most shots can be <500 or >1000 but not much in between, usually due to terrain and LOS.280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
Post by: b23 on December 16, 2021, 08:52:59 AM
If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm :chuckle: it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.
I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.
Post by: jjness11 on December 16, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
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Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 09:25:14 AM
280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
[/quote] oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time :chuckle: I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 16, 2021, 09:34:11 AM
wish I would've waiting a little longer Ang got the 6.8 western over my 270wsm just for ammo purposes.If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm :chuckle: it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.
I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.
Post by: jjness11 on December 16, 2021, 09:36:16 AM
wish I would've waiting a little longer Ang got the 6.8 western over my 270wsm just for ammo purposes.If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm :chuckle: it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.
I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.
Its like I tell my wife, I only need "one more" rifle! :chuckle: There's always room for one more!
Post by: elkrack on December 16, 2021, 09:37:50 AM
oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time :chuckle: I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though :chuckle:280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
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Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
Post by: b23 on December 16, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time :chuckle: I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though :chuckle:280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread
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Karl may have had other issues I don't know but my experience with Nosler brass is it's soft and loses primer pockets relatively easily. It's weird because back in the day it was said that Norma made Nosler's brass and even though Norma brass has never been nearly as tough with regard to holding primer pockets as Lapua brass the Norma brass I use in my 7mm Blaser mag seems to be holding up well.
Post by: elkrack on December 16, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Karl may have had other issues I don't know but my experience with Nosler brass is it's soft and loses primer pockets relatively easily. It's weird because back in the day it was said that Norma made Nosler's brass and even though Norma brass has never been nearly as tough with regard to holding primer pockets as Lapua brass the Norma brass I use in my 7mm Blaser mag seems to be holding up well.oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time :chuckle: I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though :chuckle:280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread
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Gotcha! Thank you :tup:
Post by: jjness11 on December 16, 2021, 10:12:47 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
Current example is a 250pc bag of peterson 28 nosler brass. 1.8gr weight variance between all 250 pieces.
Last batch of nosler 280ai brass (50ct) 14gr variance.
200pc of lapua 6.5x284 (2 different lots) .8gr of weight variance.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 16, 2021, 10:28:26 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 16, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
Just stopped at cabelas looking for case lube.....see a ton of it on Westside as well.
Post by: buggy on December 16, 2021, 11:23:29 AM
Regarding all of the recoil comments, my main reasoning is that I need to practice a lot to improve my ability. I realize that when shooting an animal it doesn't really matter. (I don't think I've ever felt recoil when shooting an animal) My 300 WSM is a Sako 85 Finnlite so it is great to carry but brutal to shoot. So I'm not opposed to some recoil as long as it's less than what I have. I realize I'll have to sacrifice some weight to achieve this.
Post by: b23 on December 16, 2021, 12:07:32 PM
Post by: buggy on December 16, 2021, 01:43:59 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 16, 2021, 01:58:54 PM
Reading through all of the comments it appears there is a 7mm camp and a 28 nosler camp so naturally I search google and this video popped up. I thought the energy difference was interesting. I don't think this settles any debates but was still cool to see.I watch his channel too.
He isn't to bad on explaining it all.
But if we talk factory or handloader
Doesn't matter 28 nosler is gonna put a beating to the ol 7 mag.
Case capacity is king .
With that said.
I have used h1000 reloading 7 mag before.
Not sure why he didn't use the same powder for both.
But it wouldn't matter cause capacity wins the day.
Same length barrel would of gave the 28 even more of an edge in the video too.
Post by: buggy on December 16, 2021, 02:12:42 PM
Reading through all of the comments it appears there is a 7mm camp and a 28 nosler camp so naturally I search google and this video popped up. I thought the energy difference was interesting. I don't think this settles any debates but was still cool to see.I watch his channel too.
He isn't to bad on explaining it all.
But if we talk factory or handloader
Doesn't matter 28 nosler is gonna put a beating to the ol 7 mag.
Case capacity is king .
With that said.
I have used h1000 reloading 7 mag before.
Not sure why he didn't use the same powder for both.
But it wouldn't matter cause capacity wins the day.
Same length barrel would of gave the 28 even more of an edge in the video too.
I agree that the comparison could have been better but it makes it pretty clear to a novice like me that 170 lbs of energy is actually a lot. I never would have suspected that.
Post by: Stein on December 16, 2021, 04:13:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 17, 2021, 10:30:01 AM
Just stopped at cabelas looking for case lube.....
And there is the other reason the 6mm Creedmoor interests me! :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on December 17, 2021, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: M_ray on December 17, 2021, 11:34:50 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2021, 11:39:27 AM
You just need to lighten that wsm up M. The 7wsm is everything the 6.8 western wants to be. Definitely one of my favorite .284's! Its a shame the industry never got behind it with factory ammo and quality brass options.
Post by: M_ray on December 17, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
That video was a poor representation of what the actual potentials are either.
You just need to lighten that wsm up M. The 7wsm is everything the 6.8 western wants to be. Definitely one of my favorite .284's! Its a shame the industry never got behind it with factory ammo and quality brass options.
:tup: I hear ya but I dont want to touch a thing on that 7wsm cause its sooooo acurate. I can loose a pound and a half if I want to loose the bi-pod and strap but I was lucky I had the bi-pod this year. Also lucky for me I have a pile of brass and h-1000 for the wsm.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
How many pm's have you gotten about selling your h1000 since you posted your last comment? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on December 17, 2021, 12:38:03 PM
Don't blame you there. Never mess with a fine shootin iron lol.
How many pics have you gotten about selling your h1000 since you posted your last comment? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: Thought that might be a bad move right after I posted!!! I should have a disclaimer as not to get anyone's hopes up but I'm not selling any h-1000. Im looking at how I can use it in 3 different rifles and a friend wants some load development for his 7mm so I'm going to need some for him as well.
Post by: jasnt on December 17, 2021, 02:12:38 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 17, 2021, 02:58:39 PM
Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 17, 2021, 03:05:57 PM
Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
I had ten pounds and sold 5 to my friend for cost. What a guy
Post by: b23 on December 17, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
I had ten pounds and sold 5 to my friend for cost. What a guy
I had 16lbs and sold it all to jasnt for cost. I think he's going to name one of his kids after me now. :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on December 17, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
I did pick up 2lb at a place .Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
I had ten pounds and sold 5 to my friend for cost. What a guy
I had 16lbs and sold it all to jasnt for cost. I think he's going to name one of his kids after me now. :chuckle:
But I'm not at liberty to say where.
But it's pretty rare to say the least.
I've already worked up some other loads with hybrid v100
But I have my old h1000 loads in my data log on my reloading desk.
Will say I wish nosler would quit making 338 bullets and make more common bullets.
Post by: M_ray on December 17, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
I did pick up 2lb at a place .Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
I had ten pounds and sold 5 to my friend for cost. What a guy
I had 16lbs and sold it all to jasnt for cost. I think he's going to name one of his kids after me now. :chuckle:
But I'm not at liberty to say where.
But it's pretty rare to say the least.
I've already worked up some other loads with hybrid v100
But I have my old h1000 loads in my data log on my reloading desk.
Will say I wish nosler would quit making 338 bullets and make more common bullets.
How did the v100 work for ya? although I'm into double digits on the H-1000 so it may be awhile before I need to think about
Post by: hunter399 on December 17, 2021, 04:12:52 PM
It worked pretty dang good really.I did pick up 2lb at a place .Did I hear h1000That stuff is the gold bar of powder.
I had ten pounds and sold 5 to my friend for cost. What a guy
I had 16lbs and sold it all to jasnt for cost. I think he's going to name one of his kids after me now. :chuckle:
But I'm not at liberty to say where.
But it's pretty rare to say the least.
I've already worked up some other loads with hybrid v100
But I have my old h1000 loads in my data log on my reloading desk.
Will say I wish nosler would quit making 338 bullets and make more common bullets.
How did the v100 work for ya? although I'm into double digits on the H-1000 so it may be awhile before I need to think about
I have no problem hunting with it.
I'm not really a long range hunter anyway.
Groups ,I got it to group just as good.
Just like any other powder, had to get the right bullet and powder charge. Seating depth,to hit the right barrel harmonics .
Basically I believe any powder\ bullet/ combo will work,
But then hitting the speed you want the bullet to go with good groups is the tricky part.
Post by: jasnt on December 17, 2021, 06:26:01 PM
My hero lol
Post by: Limhangerslayer on December 17, 2021, 07:49:44 PM
my main gun is a 28 nosler, but I have a 7wsm for tighter quarter deer hunting. Love them both, you could say I’m a.284 fan!That video was a poor representation of what the actual potentials are either.
You just need to lighten that wsm up M. The 7wsm is everything the 6.8 western wants to be. Definitely one of my favorite .284's! Its a shame the industry never got behind it with factory ammo and quality brass options.
:tup: I hear ya but I dont want to touch a thing on that 7wsm cause its sooooo acurate. I can loose a pound and a half if I want to loose the bi-pod and strap but I was lucky I had the bi-pod this year. Also lucky for me I have a pile of brass and h-1000 for the wsm.
Post by: chukarchaser on December 18, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 18, 2021, 04:50:55 PM
Not to hijack the thread but for those with a 280AI do you have any feeding issues?
Never had an issue
Post by: jjness11 on December 18, 2021, 07:58:55 PM
Not to hijack the thread but for those with a 280AI do you have any feeding issues?
Never had an issue
Same here. Not a single issue with mine.
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 19, 2021, 04:14:26 AM
Not to hijack the thread but for those with a 280AI do you have any feeding issues?
Zero issues with mine either
Post by: crabcreekhunter on December 19, 2021, 08:52:47 AM
Post by: chukarchaser on December 21, 2021, 07:13:52 PM