New Rifle/Caliber debate

[Karl Blanchard]

If you're recoil sensitive a 28 is a terrible choice UNLESS you spin a brake on there.

Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 7rm. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets  ) but north of 160 its just no contest.

Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag.  I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly. 

[Dan-o]

If you're recoil sensitive a 28 is a terrible choice UNLESS you spin a brake on there.

Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 28. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets  ) but north of 160 its just no contest.

Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag.  I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly.

I disagree.

In my experience, the 28 does not run away from the 28.
Actually, the 28 very precisely tracks the 28, all things being equal.

[Taco280AI]

The older and more experienced I get, the more I subscribe to KISS. A 280AI is all the long range I need and often hunting I've found most shots can be <500 or >1000 but not much in between, usually due to terrain and LOS.

[Karl Blanchard]

If you're recoil sensitive a 28 is a terrible choice UNLESS you spin a brake on there.

Hunt Jr is correct on the 7 vs 28. The 28 is just flat out a bigger gas tank. Ive got thousands of rounds between the two calibers in multiple rifles of both flavor and the 28 just runs away from the 28. Maybe with small 140-150 (no experience with baby bullets  ) but north of 160 its just no contest.

Out of curiosity a few years ago I did an experiment with 180 eldm and 195 berger eol's in same length barrels that happened to come out of the same run of barrels. Same powder jug, same box of primers. The 28 was 200fps+ over the 7 mag.  I absolutely love both calibers. The 28 is a bit of a throat burner so if you decide to go that route, shoot accordingly.

I disagree.

In my experience, the 28 does not run away from the 28.
Actually, the 28 very precisely tracks the 28, all things being equal.

PFFFF!!!! You obviously don't understand ballistics sir!  Read the internet sometime why don't ya!




 

[hunter399]

Two words......
Case capacity....
It all depends ,are you chasing speed,bc,sectional density,all that.
Case capacity is king ,just my 

It's like the 7 mag ,I don't want anything with higher recoil.
It's what I can shoot accurate. Or less ,I hunt with a few different calibers. 7mag is as big as I go though.

[Karl Blanchard]

The older and more experienced I get, the more I subscribe to KISS. A 280AI is all the long range I need and often hunting I've found most shots can be <500 or >1000 but not much in between, usually due to terrain and LOS.

280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.

[b23]

If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm    it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.

I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.

[jjness11]

 280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.
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Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.

[Karl Blanchard]

280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.

Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.
[/quote] oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time  I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though 

[D-Rock425]

If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm    it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.

I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.

wish I would've waiting a little longer Ang got the 6.8 western over my 270wsm just for ammo purposes.

[jjness11]

If I had to buy a rifle and factory ammo today 12/16/2021 I'd get a 6.8 western aka a slightly slower 7 wsm    it is based simply on the fact that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I go to our horrible cabelas here in Yakima there is a shelf full of 6.8 ammo on the shelf. Just yesterday they had 14 boxes. Find ammo, then worry about the rifle.

I was at Sportsman's last night and they probably had as much 6.8 Western as they did all others combined.

wish I would've waiting a little longer Ang got the 6.8 western over my 270wsm just for ammo purposes.

Its like I tell my wife, I only need "one more" rifle!  There's always room for one more!

[elkrack]

280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.

Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.

oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time  I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though 
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Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread

[KFhunter]

I'm diggin the 6.8 western, often its the only ammo I see in this category on the shelves

[b23]

280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.

Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.

oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time  I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though 

Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread
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Karl may have had other issues I don't know but my experience with Nosler brass is it's soft and loses primer pockets relatively easily.  It's weird because back in the day it was said that Norma made Nosler's brass and even though Norma brass has never been nearly as tough with regard to holding primer pockets as Lapua brass the Norma brass I use in my 7mm Blaser mag seems to be holding up well.

[elkrack]

280ai is a fantastic round and with Peterson making brass for it now, its a big contender in the .284 category. I'm rebarreling a rem LA in 280ai for my daughters "big girl" rifle.

Had no idea that Peterson was making brass. Been running Nosler in mine since I got it, but I may switch over now! Thought a lot about having a new one built so I can get a faster twist. My mountain ascent struggles a little with the heavier bullets.

oh yeah! I mean....you can't actually find any of it, but they have made it at some point in time  I hold my nose when I have to buy nosler brass. Quality is only slightly better than hornady but somehow they feel its worth 4x what its actually worth. Beats fire forming though 

Purely out of curiosity how are you gauging the quality of brass? Weight of each individual piece, density? I’ve always just looked at noslers prices and figured it’s quality stuff. Maybe this should be a different thread

Karl may have had other issues I don't know but my experience with Nosler brass is it's soft and loses primer pockets relatively easily.  It's weird because back in the day it was said that Norma made Nosler's brass and even though Norma brass has never been nearly as tough with regard to holding primer pockets as Lapua brass the Norma brass I use in my 7mm Blaser mag seems to be holding up well.
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