Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2021, 10:23:32 PM
“Both the Hunters Heritage Council and Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation have unanimously endorsed Brian Blake for the Commission. When session starts we will be doing a full court press to bring Lorna Smith for a confirmation vote, where I am 100% confident we will prevail.”
Post by: Hunter4Life on December 20, 2021, 10:41:27 PM
Just got this from the WWC/HHC folks. Was asked to share it here.
“Both the Hunters Heritage Council and Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation have unanimously endorsed Brian Blake for the Commission. When session starts, we will be doing a full court press to bring Lorna Smith for a confirmation vote, where I am 100% confident, we will prevail.”
Both the Hunters Heritage Council and Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation have unanimously endorsed Brian Blake for the Commission position that has been vacated by former Commissioner Fred Koontz. His credentials on the hunting side should be unquestioned. We need a coalition candidate that can unite the consumptive user groups.
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RCW 77.04.040
Commission—Qualifications of members.
Persons eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and * 42.17 RCW.
When Governor Jay Inslee appointed Fred Koontz to the Commission, for the first time in the history of the Commission the commercial fishers did not have a spot on the Commission. Brian Blake knows commercial fishing, and when he was in the legislature, 90% of the commercial fleets were in his legislative districts. The commercial fishers are behind Brian Blake.
Like it or not, remember the mandate of the Commission and the Department
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RCW 77.04.012
Mandate of department and commission.
Wildlife, fish, and shellfish are the property of the state. The commission, director, and the department shall preserve, protect, perpetuate, and manage the wildlife and food fish, game fish, and shellfish in state waters and offshore waters.
The department shall conserve the wildlife and food fish, game fish, and shellfish resources in a manner that does not impair the resource. In a manner consistent with this goal, the department shall seek to maintain the economic well-being and stability of the fishing industry in the state. The department shall promote orderly fisheries and shall enhance and improve recreational and commercial fishing in this state.
Brian Blake is supported by Puget Sound Anglers. He is experienced in fisheries issues. He served on the Pacific States Marine Fisheries Commission and the Hatchery Spending and Project Task Force.
On the hunting side where do I start? He has won every award the Hunters Heritage Council has to give. He was an initial class inductee to the Hunters Heritage Council's Hall of Fame, the Hunters Heritage Council's Highest Honor. This highest honor is given to those, elected officials and non-elected officials alike, who have gone above and beyond to work for hunters’ rights for more than a year, more than a session, but for a career or a lifetime. The people inducted into our “Hall of Fame” are those who have done more than anyone else for the hunting community. This will not be an award given every year, but only when there are individuals deserving of Hunters Heritage Council’s highest award. All the individuals who are inducted have been the ultimate champions of the hunting community. Every hunter owes a debt of gratitude to these fine individuals. Brian Blake has won the Hunters Heritage Council "Legislator of the Year" every year since I have been President. When he was defeated for re-election, the Hunters Heritage Council awarded him a special "championship trophy" for all that he did for hunters in his years in the legislature. He did that and more. He killed things before they even happened. Now we are really feeling the burden of him not chairing the House Nature Resources Committee.
Brian Blake also won Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation's highest honor, it's "Honorary Lifetime Member Award" given to those who have gone above and beyond in “protecting our outdoor heritage.” The Officers, Board of Directors, and members of WWC owe these fine individuals a debt of gratitude for all that they have done to protect our rights as sportsmen and sportswomen. Thank you for all that you have done for us.
The final part of the coalition is the tribes. The tribes are behind Brian Blake.
This is WWC's mantra, strength through unity - a united sportsmen's voice! Sportsmen pledged to protect our outdoor heritage. We need to push this one hard. We have a winner here.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 20, 2021, 10:58:35 PM
Post by: dwils233 on December 20, 2021, 11:07:10 PM
Post by: ipkus on December 20, 2021, 11:11:49 PM
I realize the hunting community needs a champion on this commission, but I can’t support a guy that has such a substantial record against recreational fishing opportunities.
Post by: WWC on December 21, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
Please send a note of support to the Govenor!
https://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/contact/send-gov-inslee-e-message
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 21, 2021, 04:57:01 AM
I took a minute an sent a message of support to the Govenor.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 21, 2021, 06:15:01 AM
I hate to burst everyone’s bubble; Brian Blake has a great track record when it comes to hunting issues and I applaud the work he has done in that arena. If you also own fishing rods and like to fish for anything that also has a commercial fishery, he was your worst enemy during his entire time in the legislature. Blake as a commissioner would an even worse blow to recreational fishing than Don McIsaac has been.
I realize the hunting community needs a champion on this commission, but I can’t support a guy that has such a substantial record against recreational fishing opportunities.
Everyone seems to want to overlook this. Sacrifice fishing for hunting mentality I guess. Or are we better of trying to save what we can now, (hunting) and hope to save fishing later?
Post by: Tbar on December 21, 2021, 06:35:00 AM
I hate to burst everyone’s bubble; Brian Blake has a great track record when it comes to hunting issues and I applaud the work he has done in that arena. If you also own fishing rods and like to fish for anything that also has a commercial fishery, he was your worst enemy during his entire time in the legislature. Blake as a commissioner would an even worse blow to recreational fishing than Don McIsaac has been.Do you think the extreme views being displayed by the two latest appointments will only be reserved to redefine conservation on the terrestrial side? Blake is and will be FAR more centered than anything that's been trending.
I realize the hunting community needs a champion on this commission, but I can’t support a guy that has such a substantial record against recreational fishing opportunities.
Post by: ipkus on December 21, 2021, 07:31:09 AM
Do you think the extreme views being displayed by the two latest appointments will only be reserved to redefine conservation on the terrestrial side? Blake is and will be FAR more centered than anything that's been trending.
When it comes to salmon and ocean fisheries you couldn’t be further from the truth. Blake spent an inordinate amount of his time in the legislature trying to do everything in his power to screw over sport fisherman. There is nothing ‘center’ about that.
Post by: Tbar on December 21, 2021, 08:27:53 AM
I want to revisit how wrong I could be after the discussions that occur in the next few months.Do you think the extreme views being displayed by the two latest appointments will only be reserved to redefine conservation on the terrestrial side? Blake is and will be FAR more centered than anything that's been trending.
When it comes to salmon and ocean fisheries you couldn’t be further from the truth. Blake spent an inordinate amount of his time in the legislature trying to do everything in his power to screw over sport fisherman. There is nothing ‘center’ about that.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 21, 2021, 08:37:39 AM
I'm far from up to speed on fishing issues. When you say "everything in his power to screw sport fisherman", is that a byproduct of pro commercial policies or an actual vendetta against sport anglers. I'm very interested in some elaboration on this.Do you think the extreme views being displayed by the two latest appointments will only be reserved to redefine conservation on the terrestrial side? Blake is and will be FAR more centered than anything that's been trending.
When it comes to salmon and ocean fisheries you couldn’t be further from the truth. Blake spent an inordinate amount of his time in the legislature trying to do everything in his power to screw over sport fisherman. There is nothing ‘center’ about that.
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 21, 2021, 08:47:49 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 21, 2021, 08:52:07 AM
It's a double edged sword on supporting Mr. Blake. I'm still not sure where I stand on it. However, there needs to be someone in the commission to balance out all the anti-hunting sentiment that is already there.
Gary
Post by: Bareback on December 21, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
Places where Blake’s pro commercial tendencies will effect allocations the most , if he still has them, the Columbia, Willipa Bay and Greys Harbor. A shift of allowable ESA encounters would favor the commercial side resulting in shorter rec seasons. It could effect Salish Sea rec fishing for chinook too.
The current status of wild anadromous fish is not good. Fortunately, the current PDO and La Nina year are good for survival rates. But if and when, the PDO shifts, El Nino returns, and possibly the Blob, escapements and fisheries are going to fall of the table.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on December 21, 2021, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: pd on December 21, 2021, 11:21:27 AM
And, he is a hunter.
Brian Blake would be great. If anybody has particular questions, please send me a DM. I would happily respond.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 12:15:03 PM
Post by: baldopepper on December 21, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
Post by: Tbar on December 21, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: Skillet on December 21, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing?
I think it's because he's a known entity, and has a reputation to be reasonable. Looking at the previous appointees from Inslee, that should count for a lot.
Count me out! We don’t need another shill for the commercial fishing industry on the commission. :bdid:
Actually, there are currently zero commercial fishing-oriented members on a commission whose job it is to manage resources for everyone - including commercial interests. I believe the rule of commission composition states it needs to be "balanced," and I think you'd be hard-pressed to justify a commission as balanced without a commercial fishing guy in there.
Added to the fact that Blake is a rational, reasonable pick, he would also be a strong hunting advocate that would occupy a Western Washington seat. I'm sure there is a couple of tenured professors at Evergreen State College that would love to be nominated if his confirmation fails.
Sorry, sat thru north of falcon meetings years ago when the commercial people were fighting to be able to catch the last salmon. Escapment goals meant nothing to them, and they fought hard to get 100 percent of the non tribal share. Can't forgive anyone who was on that side of the table. Hearing that the commercials endorsed him makes me even more skeptical.
Man, that's a pretty harsh take on it, and factually incorrect. Let me fill in a few blanks, correct me if you think I'm wrong-
The commercials have always negotiated for their interests, sure. But I don't know a single fisherman that wants to end his career by catching the last fish. You do realize the fish being negotiated over were what was the model considered the surplus harvestable population, correct? Any salmon fishing plan potentially impacting any ESA-listed fish that comes out of North of Falcon requires an approval by National Marine Fisheries Council. Therefore, all negotiations are for only the harvestable population, and never for the last fish. If commercials didn't catch them, sport or tribal would.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 01:09:08 PM
well not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 21, 2021, 01:19:10 PM
Saying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: Special T on December 21, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
Let's not forget we still have an East side vacancy, and we need to send Smith packing. To those of you whom don't like Blake, who do you recommend? Why? Plenty of sportsmen like to get thier panties in a bunch, but don't have alternatives.
Post by: Sundance on December 21, 2021, 01:31:20 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
Post by: baldopepper on December 21, 2021, 01:41:17 PM
As a commercial guy, I've got a few thoughts -. Perhaps a bit harsh on catching the last fish, but at times it sure seemed that way. I think you summed it up when you said commercials always negotiated for their interests (at the expense of the sports fishermen) As I'm sure you know, escapement goals came down to fairly minor tributaries of all the major river systems. I sat thru one negotiation where the goal was 20 fish and the commercial boys sought a goal of 10 and admitted that at one time that tributary had over 1000+ fish return to it. The math for how that translates to the ultimate fish take quota (as I'm sure you know) is quite complicated but can result in a reduction in the thousands. It also ran very close to esa listing but would keep nets in the water a little longer for another year. Seemed some (and I'll admit not just the commercials) only worried about 1 year at a time.Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing?
I think it's because he's a known entity, and has a reputation to be reasonable. Looking at the previous appointees from Inslee, that should count for a lot.Count me out! We don’t need another shill for the commercial fishing industry on the commission. :bdid:
Actually, there are currently zero commercial fishing-oriented members on a commission whose job it is to manage resources for everyone - including commercial interests. I believe the rule of commission composition states it needs to be "balanced," and I think you'd be hard-pressed to justify a commission as balanced without a commercial fishing guy in there.
Added to the fact that Blake is a rational, reasonable pick, he would also be a strong hunting advocate that would occupy a Western Washington seat. I'm sure there is a couple of tenured professors at Evergreen State College that would love to be nominated if his confirmation fails.Sorry, sat thru north of falcon meetings years ago when the commercial people were fighting to be able to catch the last salmon. Escapment goals meant nothing to them, and they fought hard to get 100 percent of the non tribal share. Can't forgive anyone who was on that side of the table. Hearing that the commercials endorsed him makes me even more skeptical.
Man, that's a pretty harsh take on it, and factually incorrect. Let me fill in a few blanks, correct me if you think I'm wrong-
The commercials have always negotiated for their interests, sure. But I don't know a single fisherman that wants to end his career by catching the last fish. You do realize the fish being negotiated over were what was the model considered the surplus harvestable population, correct? Any salmon fishing plan potentially impacting any ESA-listed fish that comes out of North of Falcon requires an approval by National Marine Fisheries Council. Therefore, all negotiations are for only the harvestable population, and never for the last fish. If commercials didn't catch them, sport or tribal would.
Post by: Special T on December 21, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
And for the record, I agree w special T, I never said I was against Blake, just curious about his background with the tribes and rec fishing. I’d take him over anti hunters, but if he was anti non natives (which I have no evidence to that), I’d have to rethink supporting him.
Like it or not Tribes have a huge influence on fish and game. It is in our best interest to have some one all consumptive users can talk with. I cannot speak intelligently on fish, but fishing is suffering. Plenty of people like to infight over a shrinking resource which helps nobody. I really like Barebacks previous comment. Zero-Zero= you guessed it Zero.
Post by: pickardjw on December 21, 2021, 02:06:23 PM
Is there a recommendation out there for the At-large Eastern WA seat?
Post by: Special T on December 21, 2021, 02:11:44 PM
If Mr. Blake is still in Aberdeen this would be a Grays Harbor county At-large seat leaving the last At-large seat an Eastern WA seat still open I believe...For clarification 3 seats East, West, and 3 at large. The one in eastern Wa is an eastern seat.
Is there a recommendation out there for the At-large Eastern WA seat?
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 02:13:46 PM
Post by: Skillet on December 21, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Perhaps a bit harsh on catching the last fish, but at times it sure seemed that way. I think you summed it up when you said commercials always negotiated for their interests (at the expense of the sports fishermen) As I'm sure you know, escapement goals came down to fairly minor tributaries of all the major river systems. I sat thru one negotiation where the goal was 20 fish and the commercial boys sought a goal of 10 and admitted that at one time that tributary had over 1000+ fish return to it. The math for how that translates to the ultimate fish take quota (as I'm sure you know) is quite complicated but can result in a reduction in the thousands. It also ran very close to esa listing but would keep nets in the water a little longer for another year. Seemed some (and I'll admit not just the commercials) only worried about 1 year at a time.
Thanks for the thoughts, I better understand where you're coming from. "Fish math" only really works at scale, and functionally falls apart when the thresholds get too low.
In reality, the battle over a constantly decreasing resource is exhausting, since it gets more heated and polarizing as opportunity for everyone is lost. I'm for increasing the supply dramatically (ie., hatcheries - no surprise there, I bet!) as I truly believe a rising tide will lift all boats. Except the WFC's boat, I suppose.
Back to the main point, sportsmen can expect Blake to advocate the commercial interests on the commission, and that's fair enough - Washington's commercial fleet is entitled to representation in the commission by rule and reason.
However, they can equally expect him to go to bat for them on the hunting issues. He is a consumptive user champion (be it hunting or fishing), and the hunters of WA desperately need a strong advocate on the commission in an era of Inslee appointees.
Post by: pickardjw on December 21, 2021, 02:17:51 PM
If Mr. Blake is still in Aberdeen this would be a Grays Harbor county At-large seat leaving the last At-large seat an Eastern WA seat still open I believe...For clarification 3 seats East, West, and 3 at large. The one in eastern Wa is an eastern seat.
Is there a recommendation out there for the At-large Eastern WA seat?
Hmm yeah I looked on the Commission Members page and it notes that the vacant seat is “At-large position, eastern Washington”
Post by: pd on December 21, 2021, 02:32:01 PM
I applied for the open position but have chosen to not make a public push. I worked the channels open to me and made calls for recommendations and will see where the chips fall. If I feel like my chances stall out then I will make a move for public support, otherwise I will wait to see what happens.
You can have my vote. :tup:
Post by: Platensek-po on December 21, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
I really don’t want to thread jack but that doesn’t work. If you flip it around then you just agree with the tribes… if you oppose something merely because the tribes are for it, it sounds like you hate the tribes just because they are native and are opposed to anything they have to do with. That sounds racist. I’m not saying you are but you by phrasing things in that way, I’m against the tribes no matter what, you def sound like it. Agreeing with the tribes would just make you pro native but doesn’t make you against anything in particular… any way merry Christmas to you too!
Post by: dwils233 on December 21, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
Is there a recommendation out there for the At-large Eastern WA seat?
Some other regional and national rorgs that sent the letter to the governor's office are compiling a list of names to talk through. I've reached out to HHC through here to see if they have any names as well so we can all compare/contrast lists for E WA
Post by: Special T on December 21, 2021, 03:20:20 PM
Perhaps a bit harsh on catching the last fish, but at times it sure seemed that way. I think you summed it up when you said commercials always negotiated for their interests (at the expense of the sports fishermen) As I'm sure you know, escapement goals came down to fairly minor tributaries of all the major river systems. I sat thru one negotiation where the goal was 20 fish and the commercial boys sought a goal of 10 and admitted that at one time that tributary had over 1000+ fish return to it. The math for how that translates to the ultimate fish take quota (as I'm sure you know) is quite complicated but can result in a reduction in the thousands. It also ran very close to esa listing but would keep nets in the water a little longer for another year. Seemed some (and I'll admit not just the commercials) only worried about 1 year at a time.
Thanks for the thoughts, I better understand where you're coming from. "Fish math" only really works at scale, and functionally falls apart when the thresholds get too low.
In reality, the battle over a constantly decreasing resource is exhausting, since it gets more heated and polarizing as opportunity for everyone is lost. I'm for increasing the supply dramatically (ie., hatcheries - no surprise there, I bet!) as I truly believe a rising tide will lift all boats. Except the WFC's boat, I suppose.
Back to the main point, sportsmen can expect Blake to advocate the commercial interests on the commission, and that's fair enough - Washington's commercial fleet is entitled to representation in the commission by rule and reason.
However, they can equally expect him to go to bat for them on the hunting issues. He is a consumptive user champion (be it hunting or fishing), and the hunters of WA desperately need a strong advocate on the commission in an era of Inslee appointees.
I'm not sure stating Blake represents commercial fishing is appropriate. Bob Kehoe was from the purse seiner group, and that made him specifically representing commercial fishermen. Now Blakes district had commercial fishermen as well as other natural resources derived businesses. To me Blake is well rounded in his experience where as others seem specific in thier experience.
Post by: Westside88 on December 21, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
Personally, I tend to believe rather than user groups fighting over diminishing resources we should put out hatcheries back to work and restore our fish runs. Along with continuing habitat enhancements and protecting troubled stocks ( ideally this would include all user groups)
Post by: TriggerMike on December 21, 2021, 03:35:26 PM
Just got this from the WWC/HHC folks. Was asked to share it here.
“Both the Hunters Heritage Council and Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation have unanimously endorsed Brian Blake for the Commission. When session starts we will be doing a full court press to bring Lorna Smith for a confirmation vote, where I am 100% confident we will prevail.”
I'm a little out of the loop. They're 100% confident that she wont be confirmed?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 21, 2021, 05:31:03 PM
Why any hunter in Washington State would find it advantageous to alienate powerful allies (Tribes) is beyond my comprehension. As TBar notes, if you prefer anti-hunting commissioners and decisions like ending spring bear hunting...well...keep disparaging Tribes and their treaties. :bash:flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 05:47:07 PM
Tbar can note all he wants, that’s not what I said. Show me where I said I’d prefer an anti hunter commissioner? Are the treaties F’d, hell yeah they are, you should know that, that tribe in Lewiston is as bad at taking advantage of the treaties as the yakamas, NOT ALL members, I always have to say that!! Just because I hate the treaties doesn’t mean I hate people for f’s sake, big damn difference. Geesh. I you know damn well the natives pump millions into politicians on the left to push the native agendas!Why any hunter in Washington State would find it advantageous to alienate powerful allies (Tribes) is beyond my comprehension. As TBar notes, if you prefer anti-hunting commissioners and decisions like ending spring bear hunting...well...keep disparaging Tribes and their treaties. :bash:flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 21, 2021, 05:55:40 PM
The treaties are fd??? Huh?? You mean the ones the Gov failed to uphold for decades? Where the natives lost pretty much everything except the right toTbar can note all he wants, that’s not what I said. Show me where I said I’d prefer an anti hunter commissioner? Are the treaties F’d, hell yeah they are, you should know that, that tribe in Lewiston is as bad at taking advantage of the treaties as the yakamas, NOT ALL members, I always have to say that!! Just because I hate the treaties doesn’t mean I hate people for f’s sake, big damn difference. Geesh. I you know damn well the natives pump millions into politicians on the left to push the native agendas!Why any hunter in Washington State would find it advantageous to alienate powerful allies (Tribes) is beyond my comprehension. As TBar notes, if you prefer anti-hunting commissioners and decisions like ending spring bear hunting...well...keep disparaging Tribes and their treaties. :bash:flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Hunt and fish? It wasn’t the natives who killed the wildlife to the point of extinction or polluted and dammed the rivers. The US gov and it’s beneficiaries have gotten a waaaaaaaaay better deal out of the treaties than the tribes did. Sad to see someone so blind to history and actuality. The tribes have a huge investment in keeping those animals around forever and have fought to do so since before hunters and anglers did on this continent. If you are upset that they get 50% of the fish and that it’s a right for them to hunt just remember that they gave up almost all the land for those rights that they couldn’t even utilize for a long time because white hunters had killed all the animals. Heck the makahs still can’t even hunt whales, nor do they get the same amount of fish as they used too either. The population of native Americans in Washington state is 140k. That’s out
Of 7million overall people. Why are they the problem you see?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 21, 2021, 06:04:58 PM
I realize you are not directly advocating anti hunting commissioners...if you connect about 2 dots you should be able to see why your anti tribe/treaty rants get exactly that. At minimum you ought to recognize the influence Tribes have with Inslee to appoint someone better than Koontz or Smith...if HHC, WWC etc. push for a commissioner I think that is something good but not really effective. Having those groups and Tribes pushing for a candidate...that will get Inslee's attention. And I agree with platensek...look at a history book...tell me again how US ratified treaties are so unfair to non-natives.Tbar can note all he wants, that’s not what I said. Show me where I said I’d prefer an anti hunter commissioner? Are the treaties F’d, hell yeah they are, you should know that, that tribe in Lewiston is as bad at taking advantage of the treaties as the yakamas, NOT ALL members, I always have to say that!! Just because I hate the treaties doesn’t mean I hate people for f’s sake, big damn difference. Geesh. I you know damn well the natives pump millions into politicians on the left to push the native agendas!Why any hunter in Washington State would find it advantageous to alienate powerful allies (Tribes) is beyond my comprehension. As TBar notes, if you prefer anti-hunting commissioners and decisions like ending spring bear hunting...well...keep disparaging Tribes and their treaties. :bash:flip it around then, does that make you racist? Throwing the racist word around like the left does 24/7, gives it no substance. Merry ChristmasSaying that you won’t support a politician because tribes do certainly makes you sound racistwell not sure what your acronyms are but because I disagree with most tribal treaties I’m a racist or anti Native American guy? I’d say go, well it’s Christmas so I won’t say that. Just this, the tribes pump millions into politicians that tend to agree w the treaties and run off ones that want equality. Who’s the ones being divisive again?Not a jab here, but, if he is center, then how come the tribes support him? I'm not sure which tribe is actually center in this state, most seem to go left or want the whole thing? When the tribes support a politician, that makes my radar go off.Enjoy your Koontz and Smith type of policy makers in the future. People like you WILL pave the way for their successors to navigate the path they have laid. You are a constant tool of division and are celebrated by ar and anti crowd. Keep it up, HSUS is counting on you and your likes. Not intending to be sarcastic at all just real.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Post by: Bareback on December 21, 2021, 06:07:52 PM
Blake is 102% better than Koontz and Smith, Period!
It’s better to align with the tribes than fight them! If you are familiar with NOF we piggyback them every year for permit approval. IF we fight them, BIA approves their fisheries , without the tribes recs/commercials do not fish!
I hate to say this but, it’s a leftist shi@thole saying, we have to “coexist.” Stop fighting the tribes and try understanding them. Commies and recs need to work together.
Commercials have just as much right to the fish as the recs.
If, by any chance there is a stop to intercept fisheries it will be because of the tribes. Which would benefit Washington significantly!
Just be thankful we now have Blake.
Post by: Platensek-po on December 21, 2021, 07:04:15 PM
The makas could hunt whales if they want, who would stop them? Pollution, you drive by a Rez lately? You guys are blowing this up! My own opinion, the treaties are BS. We are all one people, and we should all play by the same rules, simple. No limits on deer and elk, does that sound responsible? Members breaking their own laws and selling meat, stewards of the land right there. Let’s just agree to disagree but I’m all for man kind being equal so take the racist BS and shove it. Again, Merry Christmas all
The federal government stopped them! Are you really this obtuse?? You want equality but just want to conveniently forget the past. Lol. Again your focus on the tribes “pollution” of the Rez doesn’t even come close to the pollution of rivers by the big cities, big as, and major companies. Heck a company on the put all up dumped 100000 lbs of rubber confetti into the river and was fined a pittance. You are focused on the wrong thing and think even you know why.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 21, 2021, 07:25:43 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 21, 2021, 09:06:53 PM
Post by: dwils233 on December 21, 2021, 09:36:29 PM
Your alternative is probably going to be a whale watcher and bird watcher.
To be fair, Kim Thorburn is a bird watcher and one of our best commissioners...but yeah I don't think we'd get that lucky twice.
Post by: bbarnes on December 21, 2021, 10:22:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 21, 2021, 10:57:29 PM
I respectfully disagree with many of the opinions expressed here concerning Mr. Blake and commercial vs. sports fisheries. I have a lot of direct experience with Mr. Blake, and I can assure you that he is very well versed in the details of fisheries here in Washington (sports, commercial, tribal), and he is an open minded and fair person. I cannot think of a more knowledgeable commissioner. (In particular, he would be much better than recent "industry representatives.")
And, he is a hunter.
Brian Blake would be great. If anybody has particular questions, please send me a DM. I would happily respond.
“Versed in the details”, “open minded” and “knowledgeable” are all political slight of hand comments. Not a one of these gives sport fisherman a clue as to his support of our interests.
This is nothing more than political posturing! :twocents:
I’m open to hearing his stance on everything, as long as it comes from his own mouth!
Post by: huntnnw on December 21, 2021, 11:34:08 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on December 22, 2021, 08:48:54 AM
Glad to see Mr. Blake on here.
Gary
Post by: buckfvr on December 22, 2021, 09:58:53 AM
This being my opinion of course, but also obvious sources for appointees seems to fall heavily into the governors constituent camps. Known entities. He can depend on them to support those who support him. He will not allow a "stonewaller" personality to take up a position on the commission when he knows beforehand that said person wont go with the flow.
Does anyone believe he will appoint a staunch pro hunter ? A true advocate of sports fishermen ? I personally dont think so. The governors commission is so slanted, in my opinion, that I will actually be very surprised if any of the persons hunters/sports fishers support, gets a seat. Also, if they do, I will question their alliance until they prove themselves, if they can. And if they cant ?, well then there was a compromise somewhere along the line.
:twocents:
Post by: pd on December 22, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
I put my focus on who appoints these commissioners, and his history of appointing those he can manipulate. Whether or not Blake or any of the other supposed front runners with support are good for this group or that, is inconsequential because it is so extremely political. Criteria for appointment is so beyond a qualified resume that the actual qualification of a person probably falls to the bottom of the list.
This being my opinion of course, but also obvious sources for appointees seems to fall heavily into the governors constituent camps. Known entities. He can depend on them to support those who support him. He will not allow a "stonewaller" personality to take up a position on the commission when he knows beforehand that said person wont go with the flow.
Does anyone believe he will appoint a staunch pro hunter ? A true advocate of sports fishermen ? I personally dont think so. The governors commission is so slanted, in my opinion, that I will actually be very surprised if any of the persons hunters/sports fishers support, gets a seat. Also, if they do, I will question their alliance until they prove themselves, if they can. And if they cant ?, well then there was a compromise somewhere along the line.
:twocents:
I respectfully disagree with many of the opinions expressed here concerning Mr. Blake and commercial vs. sports fisheries. I have a lot of direct experience with Mr. Blake, and I can assure you that he is very well versed in the details of fisheries here in Washington (sports, commercial, tribal), and he is an open minded and fair person. I cannot think of a more knowledgeable commissioner. (In particular, he would be much better than recent "industry representatives.")
And, he is a hunter.
Brian Blake would be great. If anybody has particular questions, please send me a DM. I would happily respond.
“Versed in the details”, “open minded” and “knowledgeable” are all political slight of hand comments. Not a one of these gives sport fisherman a clue as to his support of our interests.
This is nothing more than political posturing! :twocents:
I’m open to hearing his stance on everything, as long as it comes from his own mouth!
This will be the last time I comment on this issue, as Mr. Blake has already shown his face, and even given his personal phone number for any member here to call him. I can't think of a more transparent way to dispel any misgivings.
Let me offer some analysis of the situation facing the F&G Commission. Remember, it does not operate in a vacuum; this is absolutely a political institution, whose job is to oversee WDFW. Thus, commissioners need to both understand the legislature, the governor, WDFW, to some degree the federal government, and of course tribal/sports/commercial fishing and hunting interests. And, as an added bonus, it would help if the commissioner is a Democrat (sorry, just stating the facts of this state).
I cannot think of another single individual in Washington who meets and exceeds the list of requirements. I challenge anybody here who has had direct interaction with Mr. Blake over the years to argue my point.
Very happy to have heard of his candidacy!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2021, 10:34:15 AM
Post by: baldopepper on December 22, 2021, 10:42:31 AM
I put my focus on who appoints these commissioners, and his history of appointing those he can manipulate. Whether or not Blake or any of the other supposed front runners with support are good for this group or that, is inconsequential because it is so extremely political. Criteria for appointment is so beyond a qualified resume that the actual qualification of a person probably falls to the bottom of the list.very accurate summation. Personally, I don't think Inslee cares one way or another about hunting/fishing. He cares (like most politicians these days) about getting elected. On this issue we have one side, hunters/fishermen who generally not only don't vote for him, but use sites like this to call him names and urge the group to oust him. On the other side we have the anti's and peta type who generally do vote for him and praise most of his work. No question he's going to keep those who got him a third term happy. I don't know Mr. Blake, somewhat suspicious, but if appointed hopefully he'll be a good enough diplomat to at least usher a few wins thru for the hunters and fishermen of the state.
This being my opinion of course, but also obvious sources for appointees seems to fall heavily into the governors constituent camps. Known entities. He can depend on them to support those who support him. He will not allow a "stonewaller" personality to take up a position on the commission when he knows beforehand that said person wont go with the flow.
Does anyone believe he will appoint a staunch pro hunter ? A true advocate of sports fishermen ? I personally dont think so. The governors commission is so slanted, in my opinion, that I will actually be very surprised if any of the persons hunters/sports fishers support, gets a seat. Also, if they do, I will question their alliance until they prove themselves, if they can. And if they cant ?, well then there was a compromise somewhere along the line.
:twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on December 23, 2021, 04:51:13 PM
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Post by: ASHQUACK on December 23, 2021, 06:13:18 PM
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 23, 2021, 06:19:47 PM
Well said.
Post by: storyteller on December 23, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 23, 2021, 07:12:50 PM
Yup lost me right there. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Inslee will love him though ,so you never know how things will work out.
I don't know him myself ,so I'm not gonna rant some rant.
But Wikipedia says demo-crat , politician,forester, those first two don't sound good.
But it don't really matter to me . We just don't want tie votes , that sucks a lot too.
Post by: Westside88 on December 23, 2021, 07:52:30 PM
I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the ring.
I agree with you wholeheartedly Bearpaw. Brian is the one we need on the commission
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2021, 12:37:22 AM
I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Is he voted in by outdoorsmen or appointed by beurocrats?
Post by: JeepWrangler on December 24, 2021, 07:34:12 AM
You can read about the process on the WDFW website.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission (https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission)
Thank you
Post by: Tbar on December 24, 2021, 07:34:54 AM
Appointed, but I'm guessing that was a rhetorical question.I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Is he voted in by outdoorsmen or appointed by beurocrats?
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2021, 07:37:55 AM
By King inslee himself.AppointedI've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Is he voted in by outdoorsmen or appointed by beurocrats?
I'll be in shock and ahh if the King appoints any hunter to the round table.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 24, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 24, 2021, 08:47:31 AM
I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
:yeah:
I echo the gratitude for throwing your hat in the ring.
Post by: dwils233 on December 24, 2021, 09:00:15 AM
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 24, 2021, 09:07:52 AM
The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
Post by: ipkus on December 24, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
We both know why your answer to my question wasn't more specific than "hatcheries and access". So be it.
Look, I will bow out of the conversation. This is a hunting website and I think from that perspective he is a great candidate.
I don't vote for politicians based on their stance on a single issue. The whole package matters. While F&W commissioner is an appointed position, the support a nomination receives can still help push them into the seat.
If you like fishing for species that are also harvested commercially, you've been warned.
Good day.
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2021, 09:40:09 AM
Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Post by: buckfvr on December 24, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
Hi huntnphool,
You can read about the process on the WDFW website.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission (https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission)
Thank you
Nothing you read or hear and only half of what you see certainly applies to wdfw. Again, the huge obstacle is how he is perceived by the governors vetting staff and ultimately he himself, the governor. As necessary as it appears, Im almost sorry hes had to come on here and defend himself by showing/expressing his support of the very crowd the governor obviously disdains. In this process, he may have actually taken a round to the foot.
Post by: Tbar on December 24, 2021, 11:05:24 AM
@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
Said it before. Say it again.@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Democrat ........that says enough for no support from me.
Happy holidays to ya .
Post by: hughjorgan on December 24, 2021, 11:27:13 AM
@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
Post by: buckfvr on December 24, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
Post by: Humptulips on December 24, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.You need a wake up call if you don't think politics plays into this. Brians party affiliation and contacts will probably be his best chance to get appointed and will help him in the Commissions interactions with the Legislature. IMO he is the best of both worlds for us, advocate for sportsmen and savvy insider.
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Post by: bearpaw on December 24, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.You need a wake up call if you don't think politics plays into this. Brians party affiliation and contacts will probably be his best chance to get appointed and will help him in the Commissions interactions with the Legislature. IMO he is the best of both worlds for us, advocate for sportsmen and savvy insider.
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
:yeah: That's exactly right, he was one of the best legislators for hunters in the state, those who think just because he is a democrat that he shouldn't get the position are not being very realistic about the reality of politics in Washington, I think Brian could actually be more influential and more beneficial to hunters as a democrat than a republican could be in the same position! :twocents:
Post by: dwils233 on December 24, 2021, 12:14:52 PM
I know the political role being played out, I'm pretty actively engaged in it. The goal is to jump through the political game to get someone who won't play politics/agenda once seated. The appointment process is political, the seat shouldn't be
Post by: Rainier10 on December 24, 2021, 12:19:01 PM
I don’t mind limiting seasons if that is what is best. I do mind limiting seasons if it’s based on biased opinion.
Post by: Humptulips on December 24, 2021, 01:03:39 PM
To be fair, that is actually what I meant- I was trying to clarify that his Democrat party affiliation at worst shouldn't matter to us, at best we should celebrate it. I meant that we as hunters shouldn't be dissuaded from supporting him because of his party affiliations.Sorry if I misread your post. Sounds like we are on the same page.
I know the political role being played out, I'm pretty actively engaged in it. The goal is to jump through the political game to get someone who won't play politics/agenda once seated. The appointment process is political, the seat shouldn't be
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2021, 01:36:46 PM
Yup Folks like me ,the same folks that voted him out of his seat for a Republican. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
I guess I'm not the only one that's ignorant. I'd say over 50 % of his district must be also.
Good day to you and yours.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 24, 2021, 02:47:50 PM
Here I’ll spell it out for you as far as choices go…Yup Folks like me ,the same folks that voted him out of his seat for a Republican. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
I guess I'm not the only one that's ignorant. I'd say over 50 % of his district must be also.
Good day to you and yours.
This is choice A: On our side we have Mr Blake, a democrat, who has helped hunters in the legislator for a couple decades and helped defeat or put a stop to anti hunting agendas and is backed by the Hunters Heritage Council.
Choice B: An anti hunter pushed and lobbied for by groups like PETA, HSUS, etc and pushes a social agenda, not science based. Then we continue to lose ground on bears and cougars. Then we end up with less deer and elk etc. No matter who is put in that position get it through your mind it is going to be a DEMOCRAT! Which democrat do you want A or B?
It’s not a hard choice to make…
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Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2021, 05:30:23 PM
^^^^^^^^^Here I’ll spell it out for you as far as choices go…Yup Folks like me ,the same folks that voted him out of his seat for a Republican. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
I guess I'm not the only one that's ignorant. I'd say over 50 % of his district must be also.
Good day to you and yours.
This is choice A: On our side we have Mr Blake, a democrat, who has helped hunters in the legislator for a couple decades and helped defeat or put a stop to anti hunting agendas and is backed by the Hunters Heritage Council.
Choice B: An anti hunter pushed and lobbied for by groups like PETA, HSUS, etc and pushes a social agenda, not science based. Then we continue to lose ground on bears and cougars. Then we end up with less deer and elk etc. No matter who is put in that position get it through your mind it is going to be a DEMOCRAT! Which democrat do you want A or B?
It’s not a hard choice to make…
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Maybe hunter399 wants to throw his name into the hat.
Post by: johnbmyersii on December 24, 2021, 05:55:39 PM
Here I’ll spell it out for you as far as choices go…Yup Folks like me ,the same folks that voted him out of his seat for a Republican. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
I guess I'm not the only one that's ignorant. I'd say over 50 % of his district must be also.
Good day to you and yours.
This is choice A: On our side we have Mr Blake, a democrat, who has helped hunters in the legislator for a couple decades and helped defeat or put a stop to anti hunting agendas and is backed by the Hunters Heritage Council.
Choice B: An anti hunter pushed and lobbied for by groups like PETA, HSUS, etc and pushes a social agenda, not science based. Then we continue to lose ground on bears and cougars. Then we end up with less deer and elk etc. No matter who is put in that position get it through your mind it is going to be a DEMOCRAT! Which democrat do you want A or B?
It’s not a hard choice to make…
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:yeah: not all democrats are bad. Plenty of them own guns and hunt. People of all political affiliations need to start ignoring the letter next to their name and listen to what the person actually stands for. There's a few Democrats in this state who are actually good politicians and support us sportsmen, they just happen to be out-shadowed by the same familiar names we all curse here on the daily.
I would feel much better about our state of affairs in this state if there were more people like Brian around willing to put themselves in the public sector to fight hunting and fishing.
Post by: haus on December 25, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
Reading through this thread, I finally realize why we (consumptive users) will never win any battle in this fight. If we can't set aside one perceived issue to help in the long run we lose, badly, every time. It's time to put your opinions aside and back someone that isn't an anti-hunting zealot.
Indeed. This forum and the comments here are reflective of the same things I've heard within my own friends and family group, same things I'd heard at the range or an archery 3d tournament, same things I'd heard along a crowded bank fishing spot. Sport fisherman and hunters, sustainable fisher-persons and hunters, whatever you want to call this "group", it's the most divisive, uncompromising group I've been around. I wish it were different.
Mr. Blake good luck to you sir. I hope you are successfully appointed to the commission.
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2021, 12:10:48 PM
Mr blake would be better then me .^^^^^^^^^Here I’ll spell it out for you as far as choices go…Yup Folks like me ,the same folks that voted him out of his seat for a Republican. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:@hunter399Merry Christmas you all.The simple truth is that his politics are not important in this position.:yeah: x1000!
Does he believe in the north American model of wildlife conservation? Does he understand the mandate and his role within it? That's all that matters, and I think he does appear to be that candidate.
You can either support a candidate like this and tell your conservation orgs to fall in line or we can keep tearing him down and infighting over perceived disagreements. Honestly, that's what we should be relying on the natural resources confirmation for instead of just throwing a fit before he even gets a chance to be appointed
Meanwhile the anti's are probably 10 steps ahead of us. And always will be because of this exact behavior. They are running a marathon and we're too busy arguing about shoes.
Honestly I'm happy he's a D, because this is washington, land of democrats. It may be the only thing that can push him to the finish line :twocents:
I'm gonna stick with the nothing nice to say ,don't say it at all policy till after Christmas at least.
I do agree that Democrat is a good point for inslee.
All Commission seats play into politics at some point or another. If the recent vote that stoped spring bear hunt doesn't show you this. Then it's way over your heads to see the bigger picture.
I've heard that saying at a lot of jobs in my life.
This guy doesn't need this training to do this job position.
Every time I've heard that ,I watch that guy struggle in till he learns it or fails,or gets hurt.
Your weird ramble with lack of content or specifics beyond political party speaks to your ignorance. If you have anything specific to the individual please share, otherwise it would be admirable if you heed your own advice. :twocents:
Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant folks like him on this side of the state. Regardless of political affiliation people from all back grounds hunt and support conservation and we need to support them so we don’t end up with Lorna Smiths and Fred Koontz but that is what we will keep getting as long as folks like hunter399 keep this ignorance going.
:yeah:
I guess I'm not the only one that's ignorant. I'd say over 50 % of his district must be also.
Good day to you and yours.
This is choice A: On our side we have Mr Blake, a democrat, who has helped hunters in the legislator for a couple decades and helped defeat or put a stop to anti hunting agendas and is backed by the Hunters Heritage Council.
Choice B: An anti hunter pushed and lobbied for by groups like PETA, HSUS, etc and pushes a social agenda, not science based. Then we continue to lose ground on bears and cougars. Then we end up with less deer and elk etc. No matter who is put in that position get it through your mind it is going to be a DEMOCRAT! Which democrat do you want A or B?
It’s not a hard choice to make…
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Maybe hunter399 wants to throw his name into the hat.
I'm not sure you guys would like me as a Commission person.
My views do not always have hunter opportunities at the top of the list.
I do wish mr blake Good luck with it.
Sounds as if he has many supporters.
I'm not upset at all if somebody else wants to support him.
You can call me ignorant or all names you want.
I never came out and said don't support him.
Don't get upset and butthurt when I'm not gonna support him.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of politicians in general ,Republican,or Democrat.(For many reasons)
Besides not sure what you guys expect,I'm just a redneck ignorant Republican that spray paints his ballot red every year. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: hughjorgan on December 25, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
The whole point is politics don’t belong on the commission. That is exactly what happened with the vote on spring black bear from Lorna smith and Fred Koontz. Now we have a chance at putting someone on the commission that supports the science and the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. Party affiliations are irrelevant. Support candidates that support science based management or we’ll end up with Lorna Smith’s and Fred Koontz imposing a social agenda to our hunting seasons. These folks don’t think hunting spring bear is ethical because of the timing. Now think about that and apply that to a weapon type or apply it to the timing of the rut for whitetail deer or our elk. What do you think will happen if they apply the same standard to other species? Divided we fall and we all lose BIG.Most Deer and elk general seasons are not aligned with the rut except some bow season.
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There is a reason for that.
If you wanna talk spring bear season with an ignorant Republican ,let's do that.
Although science says it makes no difference if there is a season or not ,harvest is minimum .
Spring bear is purely recreational season,that's where the political part comes into play.
Us hunters are faced with a state that has a very small percentage of hunters,How hunters are perceived plays a huge role in the future of hunting.
Told you guys ,I don't think you would like my point of view on the Commission.
Maybe a pause on spring bear isn't as bad as you think. Let the masses of anti-hunt people calm down a little. Remember as a hunter ,your a minority as in the whole state.
Like said ,what do I know ,just an ignorant Republican.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2021, 01:59:13 PM
The whole point is politics don’t belong on the commission. That is exactly what happened with the vote on spring black bear from Lorna smith and Fred Koontz. Now we have a chance at putting someone on the commission that supports the science and the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. Party affiliations are irrelevant. Support candidates that support science based management or we’ll end up with Lorna Smith’s and Fred Koontz imposing a social agenda to our hunting seasons. These folks don’t think hunting spring bear is ethical because of the timing. Now think about that and apply that to a weapon type or apply it to the timing of the rut for whitetail deer or our elk. What do you think will happen if they apply the same standard to other species? Divided we fall and we all lose BIG.Most Deer and elk general seasons are not aligned with the rut except some bow season.
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There is a reason for that.
If you wanna talk spring bear season with an ignorant Republican ,let's do that.
Although science says it makes no difference if there is a season or not ,harvest is minimum .
Spring bear is purely recreational season,that's where the political part comes into play.
Us hunters are faced with a state that has a very small percentage of hunters,How hunters are perceived plays a huge role in the future of hunting.
Told you guys ,I don't think you would like my point of view on the Commission.
Maybe a pause on spring bear isn't as bad as you think. Let the masses of anti-hunt people calm down a little. Remember as a hunter ,your a minority as in the whole state.
Like said ,what do I know ,just an ignorant Republican.
You give an inch(spring bear 2022), they take a mile(hunting).
If there is a scientific reason to take a year off of spring bear hunting, have at it. If there’s a bunch of people who don’t like hunting voting on emotion, that’s BS and has no place in wildlife management. Politics shouldn’t matter in this stuff period. Science and sound wildlife management is what’s important. Not what color you spray paint you ballot.
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2021, 02:58:29 PM
Like said ,The whole point is politics don’t belong on the commission. That is exactly what happened with the vote on spring black bear from Lorna smith and Fred Koontz. Now we have a chance at putting someone on the commission that supports the science and the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. Party affiliations are irrelevant. Support candidates that support science based management or we’ll end up with Lorna Smith’s and Fred Koontz imposing a social agenda to our hunting seasons. These folks don’t think hunting spring bear is ethical because of the timing. Now think about that and apply that to a weapon type or apply it to the timing of the rut for whitetail deer or our elk. What do you think will happen if they apply the same standard to other species? Divided we fall and we all lose BIG.Most Deer and elk general seasons are not aligned with the rut except some bow season.
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There is a reason for that.
If you wanna talk spring bear season with an ignorant Republican ,let's do that.
Although science says it makes no difference if there is a season or not ,harvest is minimum .
Spring bear is purely recreational season,that's where the political part comes into play.
Us hunters are faced with a state that has a very small percentage of hunters,How hunters are perceived plays a huge role in the future of hunting.
Told you guys ,I don't think you would like my point of view on the Commission.
Maybe a pause on spring bear isn't as bad as you think. Let the masses of anti-hunt people calm down a little. Remember as a hunter ,your a minority as in the whole state.
Like said ,what do I know ,just an ignorant Republican.
You give an inch(spring bear 2022), they take a mile(hunting).
If there is a scientific reason to take a year off of spring bear hunting, have at it. If there’s a bunch of people who don’t like hunting voting on emotion, that’s BS and has no place in wildlife management. Politics shouldn’t matter in this stuff period. Science and sound wildlife management is what’s important. Not what color you spray paint you ballot.
Hunters are not the only people that live in Washington.
Like said
scientificly there is no reason for spring bear to be taken away. Scientificly there is no reason for it to stay. 100 bears harvested,spread out in GMU all over the state is not gonna make a huge difference in fawns or overall harvest.
Do you really want to go with the" science " every time .
Cause science says spring bear hunt is a recreation hunt .Cause it makes no difference in overall harvest or anything ,makes no difference if it's open season,or closed. As far as science goes.I sent my email to the Commission and support to bring back spring bear,that's all you can do.
But at the end of the day if I have to sacrifice spring bear to hunt bears in the fall the next 20 years .So be it.
How do you feel about your comment about putting my name in the hat for wildlife Commission,I'll give you the science your asking for ,but you might not like it.
Just an FYI ,spring bear has nothing to do with my ballot,and I guarantee the dryside of the state has anything to do with spring bear and the emotional decision the Commission made . I think you know which side of this state is more anti-hunting then the other.
Post by: Tbar on December 25, 2021, 03:08:34 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2021, 03:13:05 PM
@hunter399, I urge you to read the mission of the department and then revisit your last few comments.I know there mission ,to give hunters the most opportunities while keeping sustainable population.
Post by: haus on December 25, 2021, 06:27:27 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
I also talked about it on this forum ,and nobody liked the idea, and it became a major player-ammo that the anti-hunters used against us.
Yup that was me ,And I guarantee the subject will come up again. Mainly purposed it ,so maybe we could go OTC spring bear, and fall in line with other states. I had no idea the season would come to a closer. It was shot down by hunters and Commission. Of course the Commission said they where afraid people wouldn't report. Because they want you to report your sow with cubs that got harvested,so they could screw us.
I've tried just as a hunter to purpose rule changes that benefit wildlife or hunters or both.
With that said.....
I do wish MR. Blake luck with this journey.
But also hope he is ready to dance the dance.
Oh and very done with this conversation :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
You guys carry on the support ,or topic of MR Blake.
Without Me :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Igor on December 25, 2021, 08:39:26 PM
Most Deer and elk general seasons are not aligned with the rut except some bow season.
And that's relatively new........it wasn't always that way.
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2021, 10:50:14 PM
The whole point is politics don’t belong on the commission. That is exactly what happened with the vote on spring black bear from Lorna smith and Fred Koontz. Now we have a chance at putting someone on the commission that supports the science and the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. Party affiliations are irrelevant. Support candidates that support science based management or we’ll end up with Lorna Smith’s and Fred Koontz imposing a social agenda to our hunting seasons. These folks don’t think hunting spring bear is ethical because of the timing. Now think about that and apply that to a weapon type or apply it to the timing of the rut for whitetail deer or our elk. What do you think will happen if they apply the same standard to other species? Divided we fall and we all lose BIG.Most Deer and elk general seasons are not aligned with the rut except some bow season.
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There is a reason for that.
If you wanna talk spring bear season with an ignorant Republican ,let's do that.
Although science says it makes no difference if there is a season or not ,harvest is minimum .
Spring bear is purely recreational season,that's where the political part comes into play.
Us hunters are faced with a state that has a very small percentage of hunters,How hunters are perceived plays a huge role in the future of hunting.
Told you guys ,I don't think you would like my point of view on the Commission.
Maybe a pause on spring bear isn't as bad as you think. Let the masses of anti-hunt people calm down a little. Remember as a hunter ,your a minority as in the whole state.
Like said ,what do I know ,just an ignorant Republican.
You give an inch(spring bear 2022), they take a mile(hunting).
If there is a scientific reason to take a year off of spring bear hunting, have at it. If there’s a bunch of people who don’t like hunting voting on emotion, that’s BS and has no place in wildlife management. Politics shouldn’t matter in this stuff period. Science and sound wildlife management is what’s important. Not what color you spray paint you ballot.
Agreed, politics shouldn’t have anything to do with it, but unfortunately it has a lot to do with it!
My concern is we have been told this, and told that. We have been comforted by “words” and talking points for years. Backing someone that gives a good speech, and has a internet friend posts noncommittal talking points, without an actual stance on individual issues, is useless when there is zero accountability!
Bottom line, Mr Blake and his internet buddies can post all the feel good messages they want...and there is not a damn thing anyone on here can do about it if he doesn’t do anything to stand up for sportsman! Once in, an appointed position means he can’t be voted out by his fellow sportsman. He is free to do whatever keeps him in good standing with the rest of the anti hunting/fishing members without fear of removal.
Admittedly I don’t know Mr Blake, but I’m reserving judgement and support until I see something other than noncommittal talking points from him and his buddies. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2021, 11:13:35 PM
Post by: buckfvr on December 26, 2021, 09:23:37 AM
Mr Blake, if you are indeed a Washington State sportsman, than you must surely understand my skepticism in today’s sporting world, especially with a “D” in front of your name. :dunno:
:yeah: And what is the drive behind the desire ? I cant come up with anything but agenda. :twocents:
Post by: buckfvr on December 26, 2021, 09:47:46 AM
Post by: Humptulips on December 26, 2021, 09:49:55 AM
Mr Blake, if you are indeed a Washington State sportsman, than you must surely understand my skepticism in today’s sporting world, especially with a “D” in front of your name. :dunno:I don't want to speak for Brian but there is a huge difference between a SW WA democrat and a Seattle Democrat.
Post by: Tbar on December 26, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on December 28, 2021, 04:50:55 PM
Post by: fireweed on December 30, 2021, 08:07:15 AM
On the other hand, I warned him about the discover pass potentially being needed on general DNR land. He said he would "fight that" but he just let it pass anyway....
Post by: haus on December 31, 2021, 11:34:19 AM
When Brian Blake was a legislator he was really the only person to approach the DNR/WDFW about all the access easements to public land buried in documents. He was my go-to legislator for access issues and when he was voted out, land access lost its main elected advocate.Can explain this "just let it pass anyway comment" what did he do or not do in your perspective to come to that conclusion?
On the other hand, I warned him about the discover pass potentially being needed on general DNR land. He said he would "fight that" but he just let it pass anyway....
Post by: blackdog on December 31, 2021, 01:09:14 PM
Post by: harveymarv on January 01, 2022, 06:12:09 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 01, 2022, 07:43:57 AM
The Discover pass is a regret for many legislators both republicans and democrats.
Are there any plans to do something about it?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 01, 2022, 07:48:52 AM
The Discover pass is a regret for many legislators both republicans and democrats.
Are there any plans to do something about it?
Once they get a money stream in place it doesn’t go away.🤯
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 01, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 01, 2022, 10:33:49 AM
The Discover pass is a regret for many legislators both republicans and democrats.
Are there any plans to do something about it?
I know... But doesnt hurt to ask!
Once they get a money stream in place it doesn’t go away.🤯
Post by: blackdog on January 01, 2022, 11:50:11 AM
Post by: Lucky1 on January 01, 2022, 01:03:49 PM
When Brian Blake was a legislator he was really the only person to approach the DNR/WDFW about all the access easements to public land buried in documents. He was my go-to legislator for access issues and when he was voted out, land access lost its main elected advocate.It wouldn’t hurt to approach Joel McEntire if you have a agenda for public land access. I think he is doing a great job as the new 19th district rep.
On the other hand, I warned him about the discover pass potentially being needed on general DNR land. He said he would "fight that" but he just let it pass anyway....
Post by: Lucky1 on January 01, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
JimmyHoffa, SBR’s and Suppressors were my efforts.What were the results?
Post by: blackdog on January 01, 2022, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 01, 2022, 02:23:40 PM
There's been proposals to eliminate it or change it substantially just about every year. But it goes nowhere. In fact there's already a bill filed for the upcoming session which would eliminate it.The Discover pass is a regret for many legislators both republicans and democrats.
Are there any plans to do something about it?
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Post by: fireweed on January 02, 2022, 09:28:25 AM
I dug up my old emails to Rep. Blake. After I told him I was concerned that hunters/anglers would need a Discover Pass just to use the land he replied, (yes this is a direct cut/paste)When Brian Blake was a legislator he was really the only person to approach the DNR/WDFW about all the access easements to public land buried in documents. He was my go-to legislator for access issues and when he was voted out, land access lost its main elected advocate.Can explain this "just let it pass anyway comment" what did he do or not do in your perspective to come to that conclusion?
On the other hand, I warned him about the discover pass potentially being needed on general DNR land. He said he would "fight that" but he just let it pass anyway....
It will not be required to drive on DNR roads. Licensed Hunters and fishers will still have access to DNR lands.
I was concerned that the DNR was going to use it to require it on all DNR. After the above response I sent this:
Rep. Blake,
I strongly urge you to contact the DNR. I have been following this bill as it moved through the legislature, and I grilled the DNR extensively on this point. But section 3 below says "or operate" and the way they have told me how they are moving forward is not just a parking pass, but to "operating" on 74 blocks of DNR land. I don't see how licensed hunters or fishers will still have access to DNR lands without a Discover pass. Like you, I do not believe this was ever the intent of the legislation. Please, again, contact Mark Mauren personally. I truly hope you are right.
He responded: We’re going to fight about this one! Thanks for sharing these communications.
Then everything unfolded as I warned him: A Discover Pass required to recreate (via vehicle) on DNR land. That is the status to this day. He was the head of the natural resource committee. So he just, ultimately, let the issue drop.
Post by: buckfvr on January 02, 2022, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on January 05, 2022, 01:58:12 PM
I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Having worked with Brian on different issues over the years (mostly firearms, hunting and access related), I agree with Dale's assessment.
Good grief people. Some of the short-sighted absurdities in this thread remind me of why "our" side loses elections and political influence. If a candidate or political appointee (and that's EXACTLY what this position is!) isn't absolutely perfect in every way, shape, and form, then a significant enough percentage of the vote simply chooses to pout and take their ball and go home. Consequence...everyone loses.
Yep...He's a Democrat. He's voted and supported Democrat Party-line nonsense (at least from my Independent Conservative/Republican perspective), but the hunting community will not find a better candidate from the West side of the state that stands an ice cube's chance in hell of Inslee appointing to the Commission.
So, let's stop the short-sighted and foolish bickering and focus on pulling hard in the same direction. The future of hunting in our state depends on it! Please support Brian Blake for Commissioner.
Allen
Post by: Rainier10 on January 05, 2022, 02:15:04 PM
I've had numerous personal conversations with Brian Blake regarding wildlife management during his time in the legislature. I know that he has strongly supported hunters as the previous chairman of the House Natural Resources committee. I cannot think of another person in this state who has nearly the political experience, the lifelong dedication to hunting, and has such a good likelihood of being selected to serve on the commission. IMO - Hunters will be missing a great opportunity if they do not support a Brian Blake commission appointment! :twocents:
Thankyou for throwing your hat in for the position!
Having worked with Brian on different issues over the years (mostly firearms, hunting and access related), I agree with Dale's assessment.
Good grief people. Some of the short-sighted absurdities in this thread remind me of why "our" side loses elections and political influence. If a candidate or political appointee (and that's EXACTLY what this position is!) isn't absolutely perfect in every way, shape, and form, then a significant enough percentage of the vote simply chooses to pout and take their ball and go home. Consequence...everyone loses.
Yep...He's a Democrat. He's voted and supported Democrat Party-line nonsense (at least from my Independent Conservative/Republican perspective), but the hunting community will not find a better candidate from the West side of the state that stands an ice cube's chance in hell of Inslee appointing to the Commission.
So, let's stop the short-sighted and foolish bickering and focus on pulling hard in the same direction. The future of hunting in our state depends on it! Please support Brian Blake for Commissioner.
Allen
Post by: GASoline71 on January 06, 2022, 07:54:59 AM
He has my full support. :)
Gary
Post by: baldopepper on January 06, 2022, 08:25:39 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 06, 2022, 08:30:54 AM
He will be interviewed tonight on Fishhunt northwest streaming on you tube. Looks like you can message in any questions you might haveGot a time ,tonite ,I might watch that.
Post by: baldopepper on January 06, 2022, 09:28:56 AM
Post by: Special T on January 06, 2022, 10:25:21 AM
Also on you tube
Post by: ipkus on January 07, 2022, 08:02:38 AM
Post by: Dave Workman on January 07, 2022, 10:37:09 AM
Brian Blake is solid. I shouldn't need to say anymore than that.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 07, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
What I hope people realize is that nobody is going to see everything the exact same way that they would. Heck I am pissed off at some of the decisions I made in my life that seemed like a good idea at the time. Marrying my bartender in the military tops that list of great decisions that I regret now. :chuckle:
Now back in the military I was getting free drinks and I could move out of the barracks if I got married. Based on that information I got married. Once I had the rest of the information, wife was a crazy whacko that I couldn't stand if I wasn't drunk, I got divorced.
Again hopefully people realize that nobody appointed to the commission is going to see things exactly as they would but as long as they have many of the common interests in mind they are probably a way better option than some of the ones that just voted to eliminate the spring bear season. I think most here would have no problem finding common ground to discuss and agree with Mr. Blake and many hunting and fishing issues. I also think most on here would have a very difficult time finding common ground with Mr. Koontz.
Post by: huntnphool on January 07, 2022, 02:28:35 PM
Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?
Telling isn’t it!!! 8)
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2022, 02:53:26 PM
We removed those posts at the request of a certian HW'r that does not wish to be personally identified.
As we would for anyone else that has been personally identified, either by their own actions or others, and no longer wishes to be.
Post by: Special T on January 07, 2022, 04:16:31 PM
Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?
Telling isn’t it!!! 8)
Your inference is misplaced.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 07, 2022, 04:20:36 PM
:yeah:Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?
Telling isn’t it!!! 8)
Your inference is misplaced.
Post by: HntnFsh on January 07, 2022, 06:09:49 PM
This forum has always maintained a degree of anonymity for its users, the rules prohibit personally identifying members, revealing their employment status, etc.
We removed those posts at the request of a certian HW'r that does not wish to be personally identified.
As we would for anyone else that has been personally identified, either by their own actions or others, and no longer wishes to be.
Rules can be good. But not sure about this time around. The particular member works for us. The public. He lives a very public life. This is about an aspect of his life and job that would also be public. He seemed to have no issues with anything brought up. In fact I believe it was his choice to respond to this thread and reveal his identity. I guess I dont really agree with the action this time around considering the circumstances.
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2022, 06:26:35 PM
This forum has always maintained a degree of anonymity for its users, the rules prohibit personally identifying members, revealing their employment status, etc.
We removed those posts at the request of a certian HW'r that does not wish to be personally identified.
As we would for anyone else that has been personally identified, either by their own actions or others, and no longer wishes to be.
Rules can be good. But not sure about this time around. The particular member works for us. The public. He lives a very public life. This is about an aspect of his life and job that would also be public. He seemed to have no issues with anything brought up. In fact I believe it was his choice to respond to this thread and reveal his identity. I guess I dont really agree with the action this time around considering the circumstances.
Hunting Washington forum is not publicly owned, there is no nexus to government. Your posts and PM's are not subject to FOIA requests.
We have many public servants on here and they too enjoy a degree of anonymity. These rules are in place for good reasons and are not subject to debate.
Post by: dwils233 on January 07, 2022, 07:21:20 PM
Post by: ipkus on January 07, 2022, 07:41:51 PM
This forum has always maintained a degree of anonymity for its users, the rules prohibit personally identifying members, revealing their employment status, etc.
We removed those posts at the request of a certian HW'r that does not wish to be personally identified.
As we would for anyone else that has been personally identified, either by their own actions or others, and no longer wishes to be.
…and that means exactly what, here? Nobody ‘outed’ him, he voluntarily posted?
Tell me how this is different than Bookface and Twizzler deciding what the truth is??
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
Post by: ipkus on January 07, 2022, 07:48:03 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
…and so one of mine went with it? I don’t recall requesting it?
I have no idea as I haven't deleted anything myself but I explicitly trust all of our mods to do the right thing, they are long standing and well vetted.
I have next to zero involvement in these threads nor do I know anyone personally involved. This is a forum rule about privacy and I and other mods take it very seriously.
I believe you're chasing waterfalls here.
Post by: ipkus on January 07, 2022, 08:03:41 PM
Intellectual honesty is one of those things that shouldn’t be on a toggle switch, but it’s not my website.
Carry on.
Post by: Lucky1 on January 07, 2022, 08:30:23 PM
Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?My guess is that, being a experienced politician, Mr Blake removed the posts himself.
Post by: bearpaw on January 08, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?My guess is that, being a experienced politician, Mr Blake removed the posts himself.
Well you are way off base, I am the one who removed the posts and cleaned up that topic!
Post by: Lucky1 on January 08, 2022, 08:58:33 PM
:dunno: Ok. There was something wrong with what he posted?Why has Mr. Blake's posts in this thread been removed?My guess is that, being a experienced politician, Mr Blake removed the posts himself.
Well you are way off base, I am the one who removed the posts and cleaned up that topic!
Post by: GASoline71 on January 09, 2022, 08:35:11 PM
I don't give a rip who does what. Just glad to be here.
Gary
Post by: Lucky1 on January 09, 2022, 08:49:28 PM
One of mine got removed... who cares? :dunno:I am not really bent about it. Just curious. Is that a problem. Am I stirring up trouble by asking simple questions?
I don't give a rip who does what. Just glad to be here.
Gary
Post by: hunter399 on January 09, 2022, 08:56:05 PM
A few of my posts got deleted as well.One of mine got removed... who cares? :dunno:I am not really bent about it. Just curious. Is that a problem. Am I stirring up trouble by asking simple questions?
I don't give a rip who does what. Just glad to be here.
Gary
I'm not taking it to hard . It is what it is.
Post by: Lucky1 on January 09, 2022, 08:59:57 PM
Yep. No problem.A few of my posts got deleted as well.One of mine got removed... who cares? :dunno:I am not really bent about it. Just curious. Is that a problem. Am I stirring up trouble by asking simple questions?
I don't give a rip who does what. Just glad to be here.
Gary
I'm not taking it to hard . It is what it is.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2022, 07:42:00 AM
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Post by: Bushcraft on January 25, 2022, 07:56:11 AM
I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2022, 08:04:20 AM
Unfortunately you are probably right.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2022, 08:07:35 AM
I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2022, 08:27:00 AM
I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
Post by: ipkus on January 25, 2022, 08:44:53 AM
I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Brian Blake would have been an utter disaster for sportfishing, just like he was in the legislature.
Am I happy with how our three new commissioners appear on the surface? Of course not. That doesn't change what I stated above.
Let me ask you a question; Based on the resumes' of the new commissioners, do you really think Brian Blake was getting appointed even if those of us that were not for him hadn't spoke up?
The problem with the commission is Jay Inslee (and his staff). As long as people keep voting ol' Jay into office, our hunting/fishing will continue to circle the drain. Period.
Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
Pile of 💩 ,just like my above comment.I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
I don't trust politicians ,Republican and definitely not a democrat,you can play it up,make it sound like it's my fault all you guys like. The fact is he didn't make inslee cut.
The people he did appoint ,totally political,agenda driven,to fall in line with his supporters. Which is exactly what we should expect. And honestly with all the posts you deleted,even trying to ask brian how he feels on any given topic. How would I even know anything about the guy,besides his voting record as a politician.
Post by: Special T on January 25, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
Pile of 💩 ,just like my above comment.I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
I don't trust politicians ,Republican and definitely not a democrat,you can play it up,make it sound like it's my fault all you guys like. The fact is he didn't make inslee cut.
The people he did appoint ,totally political,agenda driven,to fall in line with his supporters. Which is exactly what we should expect. And honestly with all the posts you deleted,even trying to ask brian how he feels on any given topic. How would I even know anything about the guy,besides his voting record as a politician.
For the record Bearpaw said he was the one that did that.
Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2022, 08:56:41 AM
Pile of 💩 ,just like my above comment.I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
I don't trust politicians ,Republican and definitely not a democrat,you can play it up,make it sound like it's my fault all you guys like. The fact is he didn't make inslee cut.
The people he did appoint ,totally political,agenda driven,to fall in line with his supporters. Which is exactly what we should expect. And honestly with all the posts you deleted,even trying to ask brian how he feels on any given topic. How would I even know anything about the guy,besides his voting record as a politician.
I didn't delete anything.
Post by: buckfvr on January 25, 2022, 09:02:27 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2022, 09:04:51 AM
Maybe not you,I don't really know.Pile of 💩 ,just like my above comment.I'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of 💩 .Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
I don't trust politicians ,Republican and definitely not a democrat,you can play it up,make it sound like it's my fault all you guys like. The fact is he didn't make inslee cut.
The people he did appoint ,totally political,agenda driven,to fall in line with his supporters. Which is exactly what we should expect. And honestly with all the posts you deleted,even trying to ask brian how he feels on any given topic. How would I even know anything about the guy,besides his voting record as a politician.
I didn't delete anything.
If he can't answer questions on a public forum.
I think you know where this is going.
Maybe he can chime in now. So we can all regret inslee decision not to appoint him.
With that said........
The problem is inslee and the people who keep him in office.
Which I give you a 110% that's not me.
Post by: Tbar on January 25, 2022, 09:16:30 AM
I am 100% not surprised about the appointments. I would have been "fall over backwards" surprised had either Weythman and/or Blake been appointed. What I AM surprised about is how many people actually thought they would be appointed. Even though I wished for both of them to be appointed, I think the attention they received completely eliminated them from consideration.I believe there was an opportunity to get one or both on to the commission. Instead the consumptive community stood in its own way. The attacks were vicious on other platforms. Frustrating to watch. Even with these new appointments it will be wise to try to stay the course and maintain a presence. The other groups are present in just about every setting, virtual on in person.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2022, 09:47:14 AM
Well if Brian Blake would have been an utter disaster for sport fishing I guess we will see what the three new appointees do. I assume you believe they will be less of disaster than Mr. Blake.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Brian Blake would have been an utter disaster for sportfishing, just like he was in the legislature.
Am I happy with how our three new commissioners appear on the surface? Of course not. That doesn't change what I stated above.
Let me ask you a question; Based on the resumes' of the new commissioners, do you really think Brian Blake was getting appointed even if those of us that were not for him hadn't spoke up?
The problem with the commission is Jay Inslee (and his staff). As long as people keep voting ol' Jay into office, our hunting/fishing will continue to circle the drain. Period.
Looking at the resumes I would still put Brian at the top of my list compared to those three. How would you rate them 1-4? Would you put Brian 4th on your list of choices?
Do I think Brian had a chance with as little support as he got from hunters? No. Do I think he would have had a better chance with more support from hunters? Yes. Do I think he would have got appointed had there not been backlash from hunters on this forum and other outlets? Maybe but we will never know because as a group we can't rally behind one candidate if they are not 100% perfectly aligned with each of our individual preferences, which of course is impossible.
On the subject of Jay Inslee, he could be voted out if everyone actually voted but far too many think "it doesn't matter, there is nothing I can do, it is what it is, nothing will ever change, don't even try it's pointless".
Post by: bigtex on January 25, 2022, 10:04:35 AM
Instead the consumptive community stood in its own way.Like we always do.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 25, 2022, 10:51:31 AM
Some follow the mantra of past performance is the best predictor of future behavior. On hunting and firearms, I thought he had a good record (better than any of the R's even). But good luck getting the (non-commercial) fishing community behind him due to him be viewed as favoring the Westport fishing mafia over the years. I don't think there's much that can really be done for fish outside of stocking ponds/lakes for trout, but for hunting a few commissioners could have made a huge difference.Instead the consumptive community stood in its own way.Like we always do.
Post by: ipkus on January 25, 2022, 11:45:52 AM
Well if Brian Blake would have been an utter disaster for sport fishing I guess we will see what the three new appointees do. I assume you believe they will be less of disaster than Mr. Blake.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Brian Blake would have been an utter disaster for sportfishing, just like he was in the legislature.
Am I happy with how our three new commissioners appear on the surface? Of course not. That doesn't change what I stated above.
Let me ask you a question; Based on the resumes' of the new commissioners, do you really think Brian Blake was getting appointed even if those of us that were not for him hadn't spoke up?
The problem with the commission is Jay Inslee (and his staff). As long as people keep voting ol' Jay into office, our hunting/fishing will continue to circle the drain. Period.
Looking at the resumes I would still put Brian at the top of my list compared to those three. How would you rate them 1-4? Would you put Brian 4th on your list of choices?
Do I think Brian had a chance with as little support as he got from hunters? No. Do I think he would have had a better chance with more support from hunters? Yes. Do I think he would have got appointed had there not been backlash from hunters on this forum and other outlets? Maybe but we will never know because as a group we can't rally behind one candidate if they are not 100% perfectly aligned with each of our individual preferences, which of course is impossible.
On the subject of Jay Inslee, he could be voted out if everyone actually voted but far too many think "it doesn't matter, there is nothing I can do, it is what it is, nothing will ever change, don't even try it's pointless".
You are missing the point; look who got appointed. Look at ALL of Inslee's appointee's to the commission. Overwhelming support from the hunting community was not going to get Blake on the commission. Inslee is owned by environmental special interest groups and the tribes. And the cherry on top is the guy is an idiot. WDFW and this state in general is screwed until there is change at the top.
Based on Mr. Blake's extensive track record, no they can't be any worse for fisheries than he would have been. And I won't go through the pointless exercise of ranking them, as I don't know enough about the other three to have an opinion other than their resumes spell more trouble for sportsfolks.
It is interesting to watch those of you that are so disappointed in Blake not getting appointed acting like it was going to change how this 9 person commission acts on issues we care about.
THIS IS REALITY ---> Whether you like it or not, the deck is stacked against us and Brian Blake was not going to be enough to change that. Jay Inslee and JT Austin don't like us or anything about us. Kelly Susewind doesn't care about us, either. Many of his upper management and 'special advisors' don't, either. Neither do most of the commissioners. Until there is a change at the top, our boat is going down the Middle Fork of the Salmon with no oars in May.
Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2022, 03:08:16 PM
Maybe not you,I don't really know.Pile ofI'll give ya my opinions.I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Good luck with getting a reasonably minded response. Too many demand perfection in an appointee/candidate and won't support them. Then, they get pissed and even less inclined to participate in the process when the other side wins.
Your assessment of Blake compared to these appointees is spot on. See the applications I posted in the "Inslee Appoints Three New Commissioners" thread.
Here a question for you .
Did you think inslee was gonna give you anybody better than a pile of.Living in a dream land if you thought different.
Since we are talking about politics,inslee is number 1 reason I don't trust a politician. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That doesn't answer the question though, and I think you were one of the guys openly speaking out against Blake.
So how do ya feel about the new appointees?
I don't trust politicians ,Republican and definitely not a democrat,you can play it up,make it sound like it's my fault all you guys like. The fact is he didn't make inslee cut.
The people he did appoint ,totally political,agenda driven,to fall in line with his supporters. Which is exactly what we should expect. And honestly with all the posts you deleted,even trying to ask brian how he feels on any given topic. How would I even know anything about the guy,besides his voting record as a politician.
I didn't delete anything.
If he can't answer questions on a public forum.
I think you know where this is going.
Maybe he can chime in now. So we can all regret inslee decision not to appoint him.
With that said........
The problem is inslee and the people who keep him in office.
Which I give you a 110% that's not me.
I definitely didn’t delete anything.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 25, 2022, 03:33:07 PM
I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?It’s pretty simple. I don’t want anyone that Inslee would appoint.
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Post by: Special T on January 25, 2022, 05:10:59 PM
I personally was a big supporter of Brian Blake as many in this thread were, too bad he didn't get on in my opinion. I would love to hear from those that spoke out against him how happy they are with the three new appointees. There were multiple people in this very thread, some were concerned about his position on hunting and others concerned about his position on fishing. Do you think the new appointees are closer to your position on hunting and fishing than Brian Blake was or even farther away from your position?It’s pretty simple. I don’t want anyone that Inslee would appoint.
First glance I feel like these people are further away from my position but I am really curious to hear what the Brian Blake opposition here thinks.
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Politics is the art of the possible. So in an ideal world I would want a different Govenor for a lot of reason, but guess what. I don't live in fantasy land. BLAKE SHOULD HAVE HAD AT LEAST A CHANCE! IMO not supporting Blake is denying a chance at the possible. Obviously not a big enough chance.
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Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 25, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
I heard that not one person on the commission is an active hunter or fisherman or woman. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? I heard that Inslee purposefully picks folks this way.That’s bogus. Even Koontz went fly fishing.
Post by: Special T on January 25, 2022, 07:04:52 PM
I heard that not one person on the commission is an active hunter or fisherman or woman. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? I heard that Inslee purposefully picks folks this way.
One of the current appointments John has had a hunting Lic and Fishing Lic this info was posted on here in a different thread.
Post by: hughjorgan on January 25, 2022, 07:27:57 PM
I heard that not one person on the commission is an active hunter or fisherman or woman. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? I heard that Inslee purposefully picks folks this way.
One of the current appointments John has had a hunting Lic and Fishing Lic this info was posted on here in a different thread.
The key word in his post was active though….