Post by: robodad on May 05, 2009, 11:20:54 PM
Personally I would like there to be a set amount that the "host" (for lack of a better term) sets for taking you fishing, I know there is some legal issues with guide licenses and crap but I mean an unwritten rule between those of us that do it amongst friends of like $50 for a days worth of fishing from everyone on board, this way there isn't the question and answer session at the end of the day of "Well what do I owe ya ??" and the reply "Well whatever" and one guy puts down $10 and another $40 and you do $50 etc......
It is uncomfortable to have that conversation at the end of a nice day on the water and as the "Host" sometimes I feel like I must have done a crap job finding the fish when no one wants to pony up the money !!
So "Hosts" or "Folks with boats taking out other folks" Give that some thought and maybe tell me I am way off base here or pick a number you can work with and let me know, I love to go fishing with other guys but am always uncomfortable with that part and makes me wonder if I'll be invited back if it wasn't enough or if it is because of the bad luck I bring to the boat after being on it for the day !!! :chuckle:
EDIT: This could be moved to fishing if needed, sorry for posting it here !!!
Post by: road.kill on May 05, 2009, 11:28:36 PM
I dont find myself fishing with new people very often (although I like to, I just have a regular group of guys who I go with) and if they overpay me one time, I will give them a few extra the next time. If they drove and say "I dunno like 5 bucks" then I try to give then a little more. Or lunch on the way back is good to
I definately understand where you are coming from, its the most awkward part of the fishing trip if you dont know the guys very well
Post by: Huntbear on May 05, 2009, 11:41:04 PM
After owning a boat, and not owning one anymore, I fully appreciate the costs, but also appreciate anyone willing to take me out in their's. I bring my own gear, a thermos of hot coffee during cold weather, a 12 pack of sodas in warm weather, and always willing to help wherever I can, launching, trailering, manning the boat if they get a fish on, etc.....
Maybe I do to much, but again, at least they know I appreciated the trip, and them inviting me when they did not have to.
Post by: RustneckNW on May 06, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
Cash is always appreciated, but I'm probably going anyways... so technically the money's already spent. Food is always appreciated too! But my biggest issue is ALWAYS being stuck with the cleanup.
Post by: Mookie on May 06, 2009, 12:32:21 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 06, 2009, 01:06:23 AM
Never had a problem getting invites.
Post by: rasbo on May 06, 2009, 04:25:25 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2009, 06:08:25 AM
As an invitee, I usually pony up a $50 or a $100 (depends on how big of a trip it was)or whatever I think gas was. Some refuse, some about break an arm reaching for the cash.
Two scenerarios from members on here. I invited and took JDB on a scouting mission/coyote hunt. At the end of the day he offered gas money and I said no thanks, and he said he'd drive next time.
Huntnphool took me Sturgeon fishing. I offered him a $100 and he refused it, said keep it, I invited you and I was coming already. Now remember, he provided gear, bait, his boat, his time etc. Now thats a gracious host.
Post by: HawkenBob on May 06, 2009, 06:25:39 AM
We fish the same circut pretty much every year. So we have it to a science. Each person puts in there third at the beginning. Typically just a cash amount in an envelope, like 40 bucks each. When its gone we put in more. I usaually just pay everthing on my debit card. so I add reciepts and take cash.
It works slick. But mostely, my trips are pre planned and if your new to the crew you'll know exactly whats required before you commit...
Post by: agchawk on May 06, 2009, 07:38:13 AM
Usually, if I am the one inviting another on a fishing or hunting trip, I invite without expecting anything in return. After all, I am the one asking them if they want to go. If I am the one being invited, I always offer to at least split gas and vittle costs. If they refuse, I make sure I "leave" or "forget" a little something just so I feel better about the situation...whether or not they wanted anything but companionship in return.
Ya know though....most of my friends and/or the guys that I normally spend time with outdoors follow the "unwritten" rule that no good favor goes unreturned. They will bring stuff regardless or invite me on a seperate trip to repay the gesture.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on May 06, 2009, 08:35:09 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2009, 08:37:13 AM
when i go with someone i hope we need to stop for gas on the way so i can pony up for it, same goes for breakfast or lunch or whatever...given the opportunity i buy...we all gotta eat.
Post by: HawkenBob on May 06, 2009, 08:45:48 AM
Everybody flips for the bill, and the Gamies know it. You dont know how much time goes into busting people guiding for compensation without a licence. And the gamies have to go under cover.
Either that or your best friend gets mad and tells the Gamie you took his money and have no guide licence. They still have to prove it. and they cant.
So dont turn this inta a GF.com thread Paul. I had to un-ignore you just to see what your likely, normal banter was. No surprise, your back on ignore...Lol
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 06, 2009, 08:47:06 AM
Post by: FISHBOY on May 06, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
Post by: robodad on May 06, 2009, 09:16:53 AM
Point is that those of us that get invited to go fishing need to contribute to the fund more and the host needs to communicate with those he/she takes out with them so this part of the trip isn't so uncomfortable. There is no such thing as too much when you have a good time, but there are cheapskates too so that's why I suggest an unwritten rule that we pay $50 upfront to go. Could be less depending in the host but it needs to be said !! :twocents:
Here is how I see it, If we gave $50 per trip (just using $50 as a figure, could be less or more depending) these guys would be much more willing to get the boat wet and wouldn't wonder at the end of the day if the folks he took out are going to help pay !!
Maybe that will make more room for those willing to pony up and eliminate the freeloaders !!
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2009, 09:39:54 AM
i should qualify that by saying if i decide in my own little pea-brained head that you are a freeloader, i simply won't invite you again.
i will also add that it's a lot cheaper for me to take someone fishing now with my driftboat than it was with my bluewater...but money transfers to oar time now...bring your biceps with you on my boat :chuckle:
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 06, 2009, 09:45:25 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on May 06, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
And I agree totally with Jackelope on this, maybe this time did not have the extra cash to contribute. But if at anytime I think they are a freeloader, they do not get asked again and I have had some ask me that i thought was a freeloader, go hey when we going fishing again. I tell them point blank as soon as I empty my tanks and you fill them up..
Post by: cohoho on May 06, 2009, 10:00:30 AM
Post by: rasbo on May 06, 2009, 10:12:19 AM
Post by: robodad on May 06, 2009, 10:13:19 AM
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you can see how you choose, but i won't be asking anybody for or expecting money from anybody that i invite to go fishing in my boat (that i used to own).
If you would have invited me to go fishing with you would you have refused my $50 ??
I respect that you don't want to ask for or expect money from those you take fishing but we as those taking you up on the offer are clueless as to weather or not you want help with the expences so at least mention the fact that you don't want any money for going or at least communicate that you'll accept what ever I have to offer, this is why I mentioned the unwritten rule about giving the host a set amount per trip so no one feels the pressure of "Well are they going to pony up for the bills" or "Crap I wish I knew what he wanted for taking us out fishing" Like it or not these questions plague every fishing trip I go on because I don't want to be thought of as the "freeloader" nor do I want to insult the "host" by offering him/her money if they don't want it. There is nothing worse then offering someone money and having them refuse it, that is just akward and actually disrespectfull IMO
Post by: popeshawnpaul on May 06, 2009, 10:16:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
with my powerboat that i had, if we had to stop to tank up before leaving, maybe through me a 20 or pay the launch fee, bring lunch or pops or something like that...but again thats just me.
as the captain of the mighty lavro driftboat, i can't spend too much time fishing hard because i usually am the guy on the oars, so the offer to row a bit so i can fish would be the exchange for $$ for gas...but unless you know what yer doing, there will be spots where you just won't row the boat.
Post by: robodad on May 06, 2009, 10:40:55 AM
robo--with my current choice of fishing vessel, yes i would refuse $50.00. if we go a long ways to fish then maybe i would take $20.00 for gas money for the truck or lunch or something, but i wouldn't expect it.
with my powerboat that i had, if we had to stop to tank up before leaving, maybe through me a 20 or pay the launch fee, bring lunch or pops or something like that...but again thats just me.
as the captain of the mighty lavro driftboat, i can't spend too much time fishing hard because i usually am the guy on the oars, so the offer to row a bit so i can fish would be the exchange for $$ for gas...but unless you know what yer doing, there will be spots where you just won't row the boat.
Well yeah I agree that everything I am saying is in direct correlation to the type of fishing you are doing of coarse. If it cost's more to do then it should cost more to go !!
Since you posted that you used to own a "bluewater" boat I posed my question in past tence just to make the point. I realize that some of you are willing to take folks out all the time and never ask for or expect a nickle but realistically not all you boat owners are like jackelope and made of money :chuckle:
I'll trade you a trip down one of your rivers for a trip down the Hoh or Bogey, I'm not the most experienced rower but have taken my boat down some streches of the Sol-Duc too so maybe this winter sometime !!! ;) I could use the excersize !!
Post by: klickman on May 06, 2009, 12:47:34 PM
This is on my mind during fishing trips all the time. I am actually on both ends every year. I own my own boat. I also fish out of my friends boats. Unfortunatly they don't really like to out of my boat so I don't really trade trips.
When I fish out of my friend's ocean boat I will either pay for the launch ($45) or give him $40 - $50 for gas. I will also pick up a package of bait. We use his gear for halibut. So I think thats fair and my wife and I get invited back as much as we want.
When I fish with my friend on the lower Kenai we use his power boat. We use our own gear, I provide all the bait and we split the gas. We take turns running the boat also. Been doing this for the last 6 years. His house is like a second home in July. My wife and I are there every weekend.
When I take my own boat (aire raft) I don't ask for but I do expect some sort of help with gas and any other expenses. I really do appreciate it when someone offers to row. I love rowing but sometimes its nice for someone to help with the rowing. When I get stuck rowing for someone and there isn't even an offer to row you'll never get to fish on my boat again. If I wanted to row all day and not fish I'd be a guide, at least I'd get paid to not fish. If you don't know how to row I'll probably decline the offer but at least there is the offer.
If I take someone fishing and he doesn't put up any gas money he won't be asked again. If some one does put in some money thats all I want. Just help out, and show a little appreciation. I fish by my self a lot so I really don't mind not taking someone out because he's a freeloader. I usually take my wife and daughter now so the freeloader factor isn't in play as much as it used to.
If you are the guest on the trip you should split the bill evenly between all including the host. My old landlord took a friend of mine fishing. My friend drove both ways, 4.5 hrs each way, while my old landloard slept. My friend bought all the gas for the truck and boat and he bought all the food and drinks. The only thing my old landlord did was drive the boat. Now that is a bunch of crap.
My two cents
KLICKMAN
Post by: klickman on May 06, 2009, 12:49:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2009, 12:51:08 PM
Post by: klickman on May 06, 2009, 01:02:57 PM
Yep it was easy last year she was just a little ball. This year she wants to run all over the place. It will be totally different.
Klickman
Post by: TeacherMan on May 06, 2009, 01:08:11 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 06, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
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Post by: walt on May 06, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
Post by: klickman on May 06, 2009, 05:16:51 PM
By the way, watch out, you might get nailed for guiding. :chuckle:
No doubt :chuckle:
Post by: Intruder on May 07, 2009, 08:12:12 AM
When the tables are turned I usually throw out 20-30$ or offer to top of the boat. Definitely bring enough barely sodas and goodies for the host.