Post by: fireweed on January 10, 2022, 10:45:12 AM
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring". It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place! Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.
It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts". Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me.
Here's the quote:
"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large." (with no citation to 'prove it')
https://wdfw.wa.gov/licenses/environmental/sepa/open-comments
Post by: hunter399 on January 10, 2022, 10:56:36 AM
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.
Post by: Griiz on January 10, 2022, 11:14:50 AM
I just got a sneak peek at the new draft 10 year WDFW recreation plan. I review alot of these things and this one is just AWFUL. The whole purpose seems to be to limit recreation in all forms, everywhere. It uses the words tribe/tribal 55 times and hunter/angler/recreationist/hiker/horse a grand total of 38 times as a group!
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring". It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place! Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.
It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts". Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me.
Here's the quote:
"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large." (with no citation to 'prove it')
Slowly taking away opportunities and freedoms in society. Just a matter of time until high character law abiding citizens become criminals as they say enough is enough and just do what they want and screw the state and its ludicrous rules.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 10, 2022, 11:20:28 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 10, 2022, 11:25:04 AM
Here's the quote:
"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large." (with no citation to 'prove it')
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Anyway we can find the author/s of this piece ? Can we see the plan as its written ? Needs to be a vehicle posted up for comments so we can flood the source of this bs.
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
Seen these the other day for sale.
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.
You should be looking for no-sex boots :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on January 10, 2022, 11:30:01 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 10, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
True that,true that...... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Seen these the other day for sale.
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.
You should be looking for no-sex boots :chuckle:
Post by: Wphunt on January 10, 2022, 01:06:18 PM
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
I have met black people who claim they have faced some sort of discrimination in the field. Nothing extreme just some idiots calling them Ni***** when they were fishing in the same spot. That sucks and shouldn't happen, but to be fair I would bet most of us have been discriminated by another while hunting or fishing. I know people here have experienced it from anti hunters. Heck I have had someone shoot over my head a dozen or so times while I was fishing in front of the guys house. I was legal but this guy didn't want me there. I left and chose not to get too upset.
I think most people in the "woke" crowd don't know what diversity is. "Diversity" is often used as a term to mean "everyone should think like me". Sure diversity is gay, black, gender fluid, birdwatching and trail running. But diversity is also people who think different than you and have different values. Diversity is also trapping, four wheeling, hunting and fishing. We can't let them forget that.
I guess what I am saying is that as long as sportsmen (or sportsthem lol) stay involved and continue to be the most passionate parties at the table we should be OK.
The quote basically says that public land is as racist as everywhere else in society. If you know some history or have travelled much you would know modern America is a f@&* of a lot less racist than any other time or place in the history fo the world.
I would like to read it myself, sounds like another reason to write a few emails and get on a commission meeting.
Post by: HillHound on January 10, 2022, 01:15:40 PM
Winner winner! That’s what I have said all along. If you change enough rules and make enough stupid laws you can make anybody a criminal.I just got a sneak peek at the new draft 10 year WDFW recreation plan. I review alot of these things and this one is just AWFUL. The whole purpose seems to be to limit recreation in all forms, everywhere. It uses the words tribe/tribal 55 times and hunter/angler/recreationist/hiker/horse a grand total of 38 times as a group!
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring". It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place! Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.
It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts". Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me.
Here's the quote:
"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large." (with no citation to 'prove it')
Slowly taking away opportunities and freedoms in society. Just a matter of time until high character law abiding citizens become criminals as they say enough is enough and just do what they want and screw the state and its ludicrous rules.
Post by: HillHound on January 10, 2022, 01:18:01 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 10, 2022, 01:22:00 PM
Wake up people and become their problem.
Post by: Special T on January 10, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
:twocents:
Post by: JeepWrangler on January 10, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
Post by: fireweed on January 10, 2022, 02:36:33 PM
Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Post by: optic2 on January 10, 2022, 06:10:36 PM
Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
They can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2022, 06:23:40 PM
Enforcing permits is about as easy as it gets. See a guy, got a permit? No. Ok here's your ticketThey can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Finding out who dumped the trash or dumped the car can be difficult.
Post by: Platensek-po on January 10, 2022, 06:35:59 PM
I would agree buuuut… I run quite a fewmpermitted rivers in Oregon and IDaho and always see people out there with no permits. In order to catch guys without permits there has to be someone there checking them. It’s doesn’t happen very often outside the busiest weekends. I also see people with campfires during burn bans in the NF every year. It will be so Smokey out you can’t see very well and 80degrees at night and guys will have huge camp fires in camp. Never seen them get tickets either.Enforcing permits is about as easy as it gets. See a guy, got a permit? No. Ok here's your ticketThey can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Finding out who dumped the trash or dumped the car can be difficult.
Post by: Wphunt on January 10, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
I would agree buuuut… I run quite a fewmpermitted rivers in Oregon and IDaho and always see people out there with no permits. In order to catch guys without permits there has to be someone there checking them. It’s doesn’t happen very often outside the busiest weekends. I also see people with campfires during burn bans in the NF every year. It will be so Smokey out you can’t see very well and 80degrees at night and guys will have huge camp fires in camp. Never seen them get tickets either.Enforcing permits is about as easy as it gets. See a guy, got a permit? No. Ok here's your ticketThey can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Finding out who dumped the trash or dumped the car can be difficult.
True, enforcement is an issue. I have to imagine this is mostly targeting boat ramps, but probably anything wdfw owns. They will probably come up with some automated internet reservation system with your license plate number for parking. If the officers show up and check that day and you don't have a reservation, you'll get a ticket. Probably sold inside as a revenue source for them, Im sure parking won't be free.
Post by: Platensek-po on January 10, 2022, 10:01:05 PM
I would agree buuuut… I run quite a fewmpermitted rivers in Oregon and IDaho and always see people out there with no permits. In order to catch guys without permits there has to be someone there checking them. It’s doesn’t happen very often outside the busiest weekends. I also see people with campfires during burn bans in the NF every year. It will be so Smokey out you can’t see very well and 80degrees at night and guys will have huge camp fires in camp. Never seen them get tickets either.Enforcing permits is about as easy as it gets. See a guy, got a permit? No. Ok here's your ticketThey can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Finding out who dumped the trash or dumped the car can be difficult.
True, enforcement is an issue. I have to imagine this is mostly targeting boat ramps, but probably anything wdfw owns. They will probably come up with some automated internet reservation system with your license plate number for parking. If the officers show up and check that day and you don't have a reservation, you'll get a ticket. Probably sold inside as a revenue source for them, Im sure parking won't be free.
Actually parking isn’t free now. It’s just that they include the parking pass with any permit you buy.
Post by: Broomd on January 10, 2022, 10:20:29 PM
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 07:46:15 AM
https://nwtreatytribes.org/how-does-the-recreation-boom-affect-treaty-resources/#:~:text=The%20Tulalip%20Tribes%E2%80%99%20report%20is%20part%20of%20an,elk%2C%20deer%2C%20black%20bears%2C%20mountain%20goats%20and%20birds.
Post by: elkboy on January 11, 2022, 08:23:44 AM
Post by: Fishmaker57 on January 11, 2022, 09:12:26 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/conservation_policy2fkreview.pdf
Post by: Platensek-po on January 11, 2022, 09:34:09 AM
Heres a link to the report WDFW is using to base many of these decisions on. Some parts of the tribal plan were essentially "cut and pasted" into the WDFW plan.
https://nwtreatytribes.org/how-does-the-recreation-boom-affect-treaty-resources/#:~:text=The%20Tulalip%20Tribes%E2%80%99%20report%20is%20part%20of%20an,elk%2C%20deer%2C%20black%20bears%2C%20mountain%20goats%20and%20birds.
I mean this isn’t a plan or report. It’s an op Ed. There is literally 0 information just anecdotal accounts from 2 people. One of whom admits to not participating since the 90s. Not that I disagree that our woods are crowded especially in the vicinity of Seattle (Shocking!!) but that’s all it is.
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 10:04:42 AM
Heres a link to the report WDFW is using to base many of these decisions on. Some parts of the tribal plan were essentially "cut and pasted" into the WDFW plan.
https://nwtreatytribes.org/how-does-the-recreation-boom-affect-treaty-resources/#:~:text=The%20Tulalip%20Tribes%E2%80%99%20report%20is%20part%20of%20an,elk%2C%20deer%2C%20black%20bears%2C%20mountain%20goats%20and%20birds.
I mean this isn’t a plan or report. It’s an op Ed. There is literally 0 information just anecdotal accounts from 2 people. One of whom admits to not participating since the 90s. Not that I disagree that our woods are crowded especially in the vicinity of Seattle (Shocking!!) but that’s all it is.
You have to click on the imbedded link RECENT REPORT paragraph two in the article to see the Tulalip plan.
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 11:19:48 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-01/draft_plan_2022_draft_wdfw_recreation_strategy.pdf
and here:
https://wdfw.wa.gov/licenses/environmental/sepa/open-comments
Post by: Wphunt on January 11, 2022, 11:20:52 AM
I would agree buuuut… I run quite a fewmpermitted rivers in Oregon and IDaho and always see people out there with no permits. In order to catch guys without permits there has to be someone there checking them. It’s doesn’t happen very often outside the busiest weekends. I also see people with campfires during burn bans in the NF every year. It will be so Smokey out you can’t see very well and 80degrees at night and guys will have huge camp fires in camp. Never seen them get tickets either.Enforcing permits is about as easy as it gets. See a guy, got a permit? No. Ok here's your ticketThey can't even keep losers from dumping trash and abandoning cars on DNR land. How are they going to enforce permits.Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
Finding out who dumped the trash or dumped the car can be difficult.
True, enforcement is an issue. I have to imagine this is mostly targeting boat ramps, but probably anything wdfw owns. They will probably come up with some automated internet reservation system with your license plate number for parking. If the officers show up and check that day and you don't have a reservation, you'll get a ticket. Probably sold inside as a revenue source for them, Im sure parking won't be free.
Actually parking isn’t free now. It’s just that they include the parking pass with any permit you buy.
I know, I’m saying they will likely make you pay per day or at least some kind of reservation or administrative fee.
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 11:43:39 AM
dispersed camping across all WDFW
shed collecting
pack goats
dogs
drones
streamside use
and (YES THIS IS IN THERE) walking, horseback riding, or any non-permitted use of an old road!
In consultation with tribes and other government partners, all informal roads and trails should be closed or designated for public use and the use of undesignated routes made illegal except for permitted dispersed uses. WDFW will propose a rule for designating routes and prohibiting the creation or use of
undesignated roads and trails except for permitted use.
Post by: Wphunt on January 11, 2022, 11:49:08 AM
Finally Found it on the WDFW website in SEPA center
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-01/draft_plan_2022_draft_wdfw_recreation_strategy.pdf
and here:
https://wdfw.wa.gov/licenses/environmental/sepa/open-comments
Thanks for digging this up.
The biggest thing I see in there that is a major threat is the Undesignated Roads and Trails Rule on page 29-30. Making people stay on authorized trails and roads could make hunting and/or scouting unlawful. I'm all for preventing people from developing new bike trails all over the woods but making it illegal to be off the trail is just wrong and discriminating to many users. This is a big issue to make noise on IMO.
Post by: pickardjw on January 11, 2022, 11:50:01 AM
Here's a few things they want to make illegal in some fashion:
dispersed camping across all WDFW
shed collecting
pack goats
dogs
drones
streamside use
and (YES THIS IS IN THERE) walking, horseback riding, or any non-permitted use of an old road!
In consultation with tribes and other government partners, all informal roads and trails should be closed or designated for public use and the use of undesignated routes made illegal except for permitted dispersed uses. WDFW will propose a rule for designating routes and prohibiting the creation or use of
undesignated roads and trails except for permitted use.
Wow, I'm still reading. Haven't gotten to that section yet but that doesn't seem compatible with the RCW that THEY list at the start of the report!
WDFW is mandated to “maximize fishing, hunting, and outdoor recreational opportunities compatible with healthy and diverse fish and wildlife populations” (R.C.W. 77.04.055)
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 12:10:17 PM
Here's a few things they want to make illegal in some fashion:
dispersed camping across all WDFW
shed collecting
pack goats
dogs
drones
streamside use
and (YES THIS IS IN THERE) walking, horseback riding, or any non-permitted use of an old road!
In consultation with tribes and other government partners, all informal roads and trails should be closed or designated for public use and the use of undesignated routes made illegal except for permitted dispersed uses. WDFW will propose a rule for designating routes and prohibiting the creation or use of
undesignated roads and trails except for permitted use.
Wow, I'm still reading. Haven't gotten to that section yet but that doesn't seem compatible with the RCW that THEY list at the start of the report!
WDFW is mandated to “maximize fishing, hunting, and outdoor recreational opportunities compatible with healthy and diverse fish and wildlife populations” (R.C.W. 77.04.055)
The plan doesn't even suggest following the current RCW's or following STATE LAWs in its direction. It will either change them or ignore them. Here's how the new policy reads:
Goal: Plan to accommodate outdoor recreation where it is compatible with conservation and other
management priorities.
Not even accommodate outdoor recreation, but just "Plan to" do it at some point......
Post by: fireweed on January 11, 2022, 12:26:49 PM
With their new idea, to open anything to camping they have to have a "plan" for it, go through a whole process, then implement it. I've been pushing to get legal camping to a large westside wildlife area that you must walk to for YEARS. It has in the originalofficial Wildlife area plan, an action item to plan to plan for camping. Years have passed, but no plan to plan, no meeting, no nothing, still no camping. All the while the state legislature says it is ok to camp on WDFW land. The wildlife area plan was updated with a plan to plan for camping still in place and NO progress. Once they close dispersed camping, it will be closed FOREVER folks. And then the DNR will follow, and then the USFS.
Oh, and at the same time, the homeless have a right to camp there! This plan doesn't even acknowledge the homeless living on public land, or even use the word homeless once. All camping is therefore recreational camping, and all damage recreational damage.
Post by: Wphunt on January 11, 2022, 02:32:55 PM
Post by: wags on January 11, 2022, 11:15:08 PM
Another HUGE issue is making camping illegal across the board on WDFW land. This is a Closed unless specifically open rule. For this they need to change state law (open unless specifically closed). The WDFW has veto power over the legislature already: they just post no camping signs everywhere. Almost all WDFW land on the west side is open to camping by the legislature, but closed by some local agency person with a staple gun.Just tell them your wife kicked you out and you are homeless. They will leave you alone for months.
With their new idea, to open anything to camping they have to have a "plan" for it, go through a whole process, then implement it. I've been pushing to get legal camping to a large westside wildlife area that you must walk to for YEARS. It has in the originalofficial Wildlife area plan, an action item to plan to plan for camping. Years have passed, but no plan to plan, no meeting, no nothing, still no camping. All the while the state legislature says it is ok to camp on WDFW land. The wildlife area plan was updated with a plan to plan for camping still in place and NO progress. Once they close dispersed camping, it will be closed FOREVER folks. And then the DNR will follow, and then the USFS.
Oh, and at the same time, the homeless have a right to camp there! This plan doesn't even acknowledge the homeless living on public land, or even use the word homeless once. All camping is therefore recreational camping, and all damage recreational damage.
Post by: wags on January 11, 2022, 11:18:18 PM
Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
I have met black people who claim they have faced some sort of discrimination in the field. Nothing extreme just some idiots calling them Ni***** when they were fishing in the same spot. That sucks and shouldn't happen, but to be fair I would bet most of us have been discriminated by another while hunting or fishing. I know people here have experienced it from anti hunters. Heck I have had someone shoot over my head a dozen or so times while I was fishing in front of the guys house. I was legal but this guy didn't want me there. I left and chose not to get too upset.
I think most people in the "woke" crowd don't know what diversity is. "Diversity" is often used as a term to mean "everyone should think like me". Sure diversity is gay, black, gender fluid, birdwatching and trail running. But diversity is also people who think different than you and have different values. Diversity is also trapping, four wheeling, hunting and fishing. We can't let them forget that.
I guess what I am saying is that as long as sportsmen (or sportsthem lol) stay involved and continue to be the most passionate parties at the table we should be OK.
The quote basically says that public land is as racist as everywhere else in society. If you know some history or have travelled much you would know modern America is a f@&* of a lot less racist than any other time or place in the history fo the world.
I would like to read it myself, sounds like another reason to write a few emails and get on a commission meeting.
Dude, you are dreaming!
Post by: Lady Grouse hunter on January 12, 2022, 01:16:12 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2022, 06:07:50 AM
I try to be as diverse as possible,But gender fluid ......nopePublic lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.
There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.
I have met black people who claim they have faced some sort of discrimination in the field. Nothing extreme just some idiots calling them Ni***** when they were fishing in the same spot. That sucks and shouldn't happen, but to be fair I would bet most of us have been discriminated by another while hunting or fishing. I know people here have experienced it from anti hunters. Heck I have had someone shoot over my head a dozen or so times while I was fishing in front of the guys house. I was legal but this guy didn't want me there. I left and chose not to get too upset.
I think most people in the "woke" crowd don't know what diversity is. "Diversity" is often used as a term to mean "everyone should think like me". Sure diversity is gay, black, gender fluid, birdwatching and trail running. But diversity is also people who think different than you and have different values. Diversity is also trapping, four wheeling, hunting and fishing. We can't let them forget that.
I guess what I am saying is that as long as sportsmen (or sportsthem lol) stay involved and continue to be the most passionate parties at the table we should be OK.
The quote basically says that public land is as racist as everywhere else in society. If you know some history or have travelled much you would know modern America is a f@&* of a lot less racist than any other time or place in the history fo the world.
I would like to read it myself, sounds like another reason to write a few emails and get on a commission meeting.
Dude, you are dreaming!
That's where I draw the line in the sand ,no gender fluids around me.Not checking the fluids,don't wanna see or hear the fluids in the men's bathroom. Them fluids can stay with whatever gender there calling themselves today.
Post by: fowl smacker on January 12, 2022, 06:51:41 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 12, 2022, 07:14:13 AM
This is about as dumb as it gets. I've never once been in the woods and wondered if the person who just drove by me or the person glassing that draw identified as a male/female/black/blue/yellow or whatever. Sportsmen are sportsmen, why do they gotta make everything racist/sexist?Cause that's the best way to divide and concur.
Post by: Rob on January 12, 2022, 07:23:38 AM
Post by: Rob on January 12, 2022, 07:24:33 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/02293
Post by: fireweed on January 13, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Post by: fireweed on January 24, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Post by: Chesterdog on January 24, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 24, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
This is about as dumb as it gets. I've never once been in the woods and wondered if the person who just drove by me or the person glassing that draw identified as a male/female/black/blue/yellow or whatever. Sportsmen are sportsmen, why do they gotta make everything racist/sexist?Cause that's the best way to divide and concur.
When you yourself are racist/sexist, you naturally assume everyone else is as well.