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Title: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: GWP on January 24, 2022, 08:28:48 PM: Just read about a study from WSU that a chemical in tires is killing Coho. Here we go!

https://www.washington.edu/news/2020/12/03/tire-related-chemical-largely-responsible-for-adult-coho-salmon-deaths-in-urban-streams/

Sorry if this was already posted.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: jstone on January 24, 2022, 08:33:41 PM: Just like the paper vs plastic
They didn’t want to cut trees down for paper bags. So they went to plastic?? Better for the environment right? Nope
Stopped using round rock tires for rubber now we will be going back to rock tires.

Make up your minds
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Platensek-po on January 24, 2022, 08:55:49 PM: Maybe having cities with millions of people and salmon just aren’t compatible. Of course a company dumps hundreds of tons of ground up tires into the puyallup and gets a minor slap on the wrist but you driving your car to work is the problem. maybe they should tear down all the homes bordering streams and rivers too so that we can recreate the natural habitats.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: RB on January 24, 2022, 09:57:53 PM: Know what else kills Coho? My gaff hook when I bonk it on the head :chuckle:
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: metlhead on January 25, 2022, 05:57:29 AM: A waste of resource time to lay blame on something minor we cannot control, all the while avoiding the known factors that we wont control.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Bareback on January 25, 2022, 06:28:32 AM: We can save a lot of money by not doing researches/studies like this anymore. Just throw a blanket statement out there, “human presence kills salmon!”
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Stein on January 25, 2022, 06:51:27 AM: This came up a while back and the runoff from Seatac runways was noted to be linked to a specific stream or two. From my understanding it has to be pretty direct and concentrated to be an issue.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Oldguy on January 25, 2022, 07:51:31 AM: There is a small intermittent stream in my neighborhood in a rural area behind my property that has yearly returns of Coho. A lot of the stream route is in roadside ditches so they should all be dead according to the UW. Kind of like the WDFW counting a released fish as a mortality when you get interviewed by the volunteer fish checkers.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Special T on January 25, 2022, 08:50:12 AM: Quote from: Platensek-po on January 24, 2022, 08:55:49 PM
Maybe having cities with millions of people and salmon just aren’t compatible. Of course a company dumps hundreds of tons of ground up tires into the puyallup and gets a minor slap on the wrist but you driving your car to work is the problem. maybe they should tear down all the homes bordering streams and rivers too so that we can recreate the natural habitats.

What was the name of the company? I know of one suck place in that area because they had Mike Rowe on for Dirty Jobs.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Special T on January 25, 2022, 09:05:50 AM: Tire compounds have changed over time, like most products. You know what I didn't hear in the article? When did this compound become standard in production? I actually think tires of today don't last as long as they used to due to Ozone and weathering conditions. I will also add that it is extremely hard to get a tire mounted or a flat fixed that is 10 years old. Is it possible that a correlation exists between the adoption of this compound, and manufacturing and legal requirements to reduce the usable age of tires? I think so, but the author of this article didn't dive too deep for the story.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 25, 2022, 09:17:42 AM: So, I have to stop throwing my tires into salmon streams now? I suppose next they're going to say that dumping my washing machine in the woods is bad for the ungulates. Where is liberty anymore?
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 25, 2022, 09:48:19 AM: Quote from: Special T on January 25, 2022, 09:05:50 AM
Tire compounds have changed over time, like most products. You know what I didn't hear in the article? When did this compound become standard in production? I actually think tires of today don't last as long as they used to due to Ozone and weathering conditions. I will also add that it is extremely hard to get a tire mounted or a flat fixed that is 10 years old. Is it possible that a correlation exists between the adoption of this compound, and manufacturing and legal requirements to reduce the usable age of tires? I think so, but the author of this article didn't dive too deep for the story.
I've read before that electric vehicles produce a little over twice the amount of ozone than gas vehicles.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Platensek-po on January 25, 2022, 09:58:27 AM: Quote from: Special T on January 25, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: Platensek-po on January 24, 2022, 08:55:49 PM
Maybe having cities with millions of people and salmon just aren’t compatible. Of course a company dumps hundreds of tons of ground up tires into the puyallup and gets a minor slap on the wrist but you driving your car to work is the problem. maybe they should tear down all the homes bordering streams and rivers too so that we can recreate the natural habitats.

What was the name of the company? I know of one suck place in that area because they had Mike Rowe on for Dirty Jobs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.king5.com/amp/article/news/local/power-company-fined-more-than-for-polluting-puyallup-river/281-8c8353fb-7d5f-4b4f-9321-80808ef21501

Electron Hydro, the dam company. They ended up cleaning 13000lbs of ground up rubber from the banks. Who knows how much more is still in there. Fined half a million.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: HntnFsh on January 27, 2022, 06:23:07 AM: What he did was wrong and he should and is suffering repurcussions. Way more than a slap on the wrist. Look at the latest charges against him. Looking at prison time. And how many hundreds of thousands in fines?

But you really sensationalized that story with the comments "Hundreds of tons of ground up tires" And "slap on the wrist." It also wasnt ground up tires. It was artificial turf made from ground up tires. Please report accurately if your going to report the news. When I went to school. 13000 pounds didnt add up to hundreds of tons. More like 6.5 tons. Pretty sure they also removed a lot of what was put in there.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: elkboy on January 27, 2022, 07:05:12 AM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on January 25, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
So, I have to stop throwing my tires into salmon streams now? I suppose next they're going to say that dumping my washing machine in the woods is bad for the ungulates. Where is liberty anymore?

:yeah:

The depths of injustice to which we are now being tyrannically subjected... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 27, 2022, 08:19:19 AM: There is a renewed push (hasn’t really stopped) to bring back salmon. This type of nonsense will be used. Inslee now thinks he cal legislate salmon back. They have convinced the public salmon are all dying. The truth is wdfw has been forced to cut hatchery production almost 50% in the last 15 years. They want everyone pointing the finger and staying divided.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Stein on January 27, 2022, 08:32:16 AM: Salmon are a version of the spotted owl for some, use it to drive whatever you wanted to do before you heard about salmon. Use the ESA like a hammer.

I'm all for salmon recovery. Tires are a problem for sure in some areas, but I personally don't believe it's widespread. For one stream it might be the top reason, for another it's not top 100.

That's one of the big problems is that we tend to offer up one size fits all solutions when the problem is much more complex.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: 2MANY on January 27, 2022, 08:54:52 AM: Over harvest driven by man's greed is the problem.

The end.
Title: Re: Car Tires Kill Coho
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 31, 2022, 02:17:46 PM: They figured out car tires kill coho awhile ago. No one is doing anything about it, they are to busy trying to change the weather.