Post by: Falcon on January 29, 2022, 08:28:00 AM
After a 2 year hiatus, we are back in business at the Murano Hotel in Tacoma on March 12.
We have sold out every year in the past, and I don’t think this year will be any different. This event helps raise money for the conservation of bighorn sheep in Washington, and other Western sates. Check out the venue and please sign up early for this fun and fantastic event.
Log on to washingtonwsf.org for tickets
Post by: time2hunt on January 29, 2022, 08:36:38 AM
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Post by: HillHound on January 29, 2022, 08:46:07 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 29, 2022, 09:21:41 AM
Post by: Falcon on January 29, 2022, 09:42:04 AM
On the same line as the masks do you know of any vaccine requirements? Thought it was funny while waiting to fly out last week the cheesecake factory wouldn’t let you in without proof of vaccine or negative Covid test but you could go across the parking lot and eat anywhere you want at the food court in the mall no questions asked
This is a Pierce Count event, and is under 500 people. No current mask requirements while in the venue eating or drinking which will in most cases be all the time. No vaccine requirement either. I believe the Murano employee and serving staff will be masked up, and it will be a personal decision on attendees while in our venue whether to mask or not.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 29, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
Post by: Falcon on January 29, 2022, 09:44:53 AM
Is there a list of auction items? I looked but didn’t find it.
We are late on this and should have something out soon. I can tell you we are a great list of guns,hunting and fishing trips, gear, etc.
Post by: time2hunt on January 29, 2022, 09:46:38 AM
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Post by: Falcon on January 29, 2022, 09:48:46 AM
Thank you for the update Falcon see you all there
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You are welcome. Thanks for your support :tup:
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2022, 10:01:16 AM
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Post by: Falcon on February 16, 2022, 07:24:57 AM
Banquet count is over 325 people. We max out at 450.
Keep em coming 👊💥👊
Post by: 3boys on February 16, 2022, 04:59:33 PM
Post by: Falcon on February 16, 2022, 08:52:34 PM
I'm in!
Oh boy. The Falcon and 3 boys, aka my younger brother = good times :tup:
Post by: Falcon on February 21, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Post by: Call em in on February 21, 2022, 10:19:49 PM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Do you have a list of the auction and raffle items available yet?
Thank you.
Post by: Falcon on February 23, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 23, 2022, 07:45:38 PM
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on February 25, 2022, 11:45:03 PM
Post by: scree on February 27, 2022, 11:01:57 PM
Sorry it took so long getting up but we were/are working hard to have a great line up and I wanted to have it dialed in before we published it.
Our raffle/ games line up is on fire this year too (I just got done working an OT shift just to buy more tickets :chuckle:)
Post by: starbailey on February 28, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 28, 2022, 11:27:36 AM
Post by: JustinC on February 28, 2022, 11:45:47 AM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Exactly how many sheep have we "put on the mountain"? I've been to a bunch of the WA banquets and I don't think I've seen a single sheep released in WA. I've seen the staff and big donors win sheep hunts multiple times though.....
Post by: trophyhunt on February 28, 2022, 12:23:03 PM
Selling raffle tickets online :oI don't think that is what he meant, I know they can't legally and I'm sure WSF knows as well. I don't see a link to the raffle items, those are in person only, if you aren't in the room when the ticket is pulled, they draw another.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 28, 2022, 12:31:30 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 28, 2022, 12:54:19 PM
Tickets to the banquet guys. The only tickets that have been discussed and the whole reason for this thread lol 🤦♂️
Misunderstood. My apologies.
GH
Post by: Falcon on February 28, 2022, 07:03:08 PM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Exactly how many sheep have we "put on the mountain"? I've been to a bunch of the WA banquets and I don't think I've seen a single sheep released in WA. I've seen the staff and big donors win sheep hunts multiple times though.....
Putting sheep on the mtn. Maybe I can phrase it this way.
A few projects that have helped sheep simply survive:
1. Mount Hull burn project to help increase grazeable habitat.
2. Funds to research a cure for Movi disease for multiple herds in our state.
3. We are partnering with the game department to repair the fence on for hw 97 to reduce sheep road kill.
4. Transplanting sheep in the Blue Mountains to repopulate a struggling herd.
5 Working with the Forest Service to keep domestic animals off of forest service sheep territory to reduce Movi in wild sheep.
6. Lobbying with several groups to transplant sheep into the Pasayten Wilderness.
Their are more projects, but this is a idea of where we try to put our recourses.
Looking forward to another great event. If you attend, hit me up for a beer. Would love to meet ya :tup:
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Post by: huntnphool on February 28, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Exactly how many sheep have we "put on the mountain"?
Chelan Butte is a good example. ;)
Post by: MtnMuley on February 28, 2022, 10:18:22 PM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Exactly how many sheep have we "put on the mountain"?
Chelan Butte is a good example. ;)
The WSF put those sheep on the mountain? Wasn't that WDFW transplanting them from the Clemans years back? The only sheep I know of getting put on any mountain from WA were the 20 we gave to Utah a couple years ago from the Butte. I'd rather have those 20 back to possibly establish or help one of the many struggling herds here in WA. :dunno:
Post by: ramslam on March 01, 2022, 08:39:51 AM
We definitely need to do a better job of telling our story. We appreciate everyone's support as we know you have lots of options where to spend your hard earned money. Below is a condensed version of our funded projects over the last 3-4 years and as a result, some things are listed multiple times as we sponsor it each year.
We have also been a big financial supporter of the Endowed Chair in Wild Sheep Research at WSU. With the retirement of Dr. Besser and the hiring process that has taken a couple years to replace him, you wont see that on this list. There is a new person in that position now and we look forward to supporting that program once it gets rolling again.
We are also engaged in domestic sheep/goat grazing on federal lands which has been painfully, painfully slow. Yes, we've met face to face with the Martinez family.
We are also engaged in domestic sheep/goat on state lands near bighorn sheep.
We are also funding in a private lands outreach program (now in year 3 and based in Asotin County) in partnership with ID WSF, OR WSF, WDFW, ODFW & IDFG.
Asotin County Conservation – Domestic Sheep/Goat Outreach - 14,000.00
USFS - MT Hull Habitat Project - 50,000.00
BTI Native Seeds - Red Apple Fire Seed Rehab - 4,995.59
Vectronic Aerospace - BB Collars - 10,481.00
WSF - Sturgeon Case - 1,000.00
Montana CSI - Bison Range Project - 5,400.00
Tahltan Guides Assoc. - BC Stone Research - 20,000.00
Asotin County Conservation - Domestic Sheep/Goat Outreach - 15,000.00
L&M Enterprise and Fencing - 97A BHS Fence Repair - 2,500.00
Tahltan Guides Assoc. - BC Stone Research - 20,000.00
Asotin County Conservation - Back in Black Butte Project - 15,000.00
WSF - 2021 FDB Water Hauling - 5,000.00
Wenatchee Fence - 97A BHS Fence Repair - 893.03
Wenatchee Fence - SAR BHS Fence - 7,000.00
WSF - Sheep Show Sponsorship - 1,000.00
National Bighorn Sheep Center - Kids Bighorn Camp - 1,300.00
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 941.99
WSF - <1 & 1 more for 4 sponsorship - 4,000.00
WSF - Sheep Show pledge - 2,500.00
WSF - C&A Summit Sponsorship - 2,000.00
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 488.78
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 1,603.92
WSF - <1 & 1 more for 4 sponsorship - 2,500.00
Post by: Tbar on March 01, 2022, 09:06:53 AM
We really should use the phrase "Putting & Keeping Wild Sheep on the Mountain" and it is correct, we are not moving a lot of sheep right now. The last out-of-state transplant we participated in was the rockies moved from the MT Bison Range to the Tucannon and to Sullivan Lake. I'm thinking that was 5-6 years ago?Interesting to say the least. With the capitalistic nature of the management do you care to share what the Pennsylvania hunter paid you for putting and keeping that sheep on the mountain? Is there, in your opinion, a conflict of interest? It's something that I do need to be better educated on so any help is appreciated. Transparency always is a foundation of trust and you personally benefit financially from both availability as well as trophy size (guide fees, finders fee, bonus/ tips) correct?
We definitely need to do a better job of telling our story. We appreciate everyone's support as we know you have lots of options where to spend your hard earned money. Below is a condensed version of our funded projects over the last 3-4 years and as a result, some things are listed multiple times as we sponsor it each year.
We have also been a big financial supporter of the Endowed Chair in Wild Sheep Research at WSU. With the retirement of Dr. Besser and the hiring process that has taken a couple years to replace him, you wont see that on this list. There is a new person in that position now and we look forward to supporting that program once it gets rolling again.
We are also engaged in domestic sheep/goat grazing on federal lands which has been painfully, painfully slow. Yes, we've met face to face with the Martinez family.
We are also engaged in domestic sheep/goat on state lands near bighorn sheep.
We are also funding in a private lands outreach program (now in year 3 and based in Asotin County) in partnership with ID WSF, OR WSF, WDFW, ODFW & IDFG.
Asotin County Conservation – Domestic Sheep/Goat Outreach - 14,000.00
USFS - MT Hull Habitat Project - 50,000.00
BTI Native Seeds - Red Apple Fire Seed Rehab - 4,995.59
Vectronic Aerospace - BB Collars - 10,481.00
WSF - Sturgeon Case - 1,000.00
Montana CSI - Bison Range Project - 5,400.00
Tahltan Guides Assoc. - BC Stone Research - 20,000.00
Asotin County Conservation - Domestic Sheep/Goat Outreach - 15,000.00
L&M Enterprise and Fencing - 97A BHS Fence Repair - 2,500.00
Tahltan Guides Assoc. - BC Stone Research - 20,000.00
Asotin County Conservation - Back in Black Butte Project - 15,000.00
WSF - 2021 FDB Water Hauling - 5,000.00
Wenatchee Fence - 97A BHS Fence Repair - 893.03
Wenatchee Fence - SAR BHS Fence - 7,000.00
WSF - Sheep Show Sponsorship - 1,000.00
National Bighorn Sheep Center - Kids Bighorn Camp - 1,300.00
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 941.99
WSF - <1 & 1 more for 4 sponsorship - 4,000.00
WSF - Sheep Show pledge - 2,500.00
WSF - C&A Summit Sponsorship - 2,000.00
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 488.78
Chapter & Affiliate Summit - 1,603.92
WSF - <1 & 1 more for 4 sponsorship - 2,500.00
Post by: huntnphool on March 01, 2022, 11:12:38 AM
Good evening.
Just off a WSF conference call. Our event count is right at 400. We will max out soon at 450. If you've never attended this event, now is your chance. There will be plenty of silent and raffle items, along with a tasty dinner put on by the Murano staff. The end goal is put more sheep on the mountain.
Go to www.washingtonwsf.org to buy tickets.
See you there :tup:
Exactly how many sheep have we "put on the mountain"?
Chelan Butte is a good example. ;)
The WSF put those sheep on the mountain? Wasn't that WDFW transplanting them from the Clemans years back? The only sheep I know of getting put on any mountain from WA were the 20 we gave to Utah a couple years ago from the Butte. I'd rather have those 20 back to possibly establish or help one of the many struggling herds here in WA. :dunno:
I don’t recall seeing anybody specify “who” put the sheep in those places, and I agree with Falcons comment “The end goal is to put more sheep on the mountain”. I’m well aware how, where and when the sheep were relocated from Clemens to the Butte. :tup:
Post by: Timberstalker on March 01, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
Post by: lhrbull on March 02, 2022, 03:52:38 AM
Post by: scree on March 02, 2022, 06:58:23 AM
Summer before last we (WA WSF and National WSF) met with the permit holder to see if we could negotiate a buy out of those permits. The short answer is they were not interested in selling.
There is currently a lawsuit against the FS over those grazing permits. Who knows how that will go but I'm hopeful; there have been similar lawsuits in ID and CO (I believe) that did cause the removal and or conversion of grazing permits and have positive results for wild sheep.
I understand why WDFW won't put sheep back in there, they don't want the same thing to happen again but what I don't understand is how/why the FS can be so resistant to following a congressional mandate to follow best practices (separation of domestic sheep/goats) especially when the FS own data shows that those grazing allotments pose such a high risk to our central WA bighorns.
It is super frustrating; in the meantime every time I drive through there I just get angry.
Starting last fall, OR WSF and WA WSF have had a couple of meetings with managers of FS Region 6 (which we both fall under). It seems that at least this group of managers is willing to talk about the problem (though the problem still persists). Previous managers wouldn't even return my calls.
Post by: nwhunter on March 02, 2022, 10:46:02 AM
Post by: ramslam on March 02, 2022, 10:55:04 AM
Post by: Tbar on March 02, 2022, 11:13:25 AM
If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.
Post by: Brute on March 02, 2022, 11:17:01 AM
We really should use the phrase "Putting & Keeping Wild Sheep on the Mountain" and it is correct, we are not moving a lot of sheep right now. The last out-of-state transplant we participated in was the rockies moved from the MT Bison Range to the Tucannon and to Sullivan Lake. I'm thinking that was 5-6 years ago
That's unfortunate for getting the sheep from the NBR.
As that is about the time they lost most of their sheep to a disease.
Post by: nwhunter on March 02, 2022, 11:53:37 AM
If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.
If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.
No I don't know the answer to that not really in my wheelhouse.. I do have a good friend in New Mexico that is probably that states premier sheep outfitter and is an officer on their wild sheep board and I don't think that has anything to do with why he books most of the auction and raffle tag hunters for sheep. Its because he is good at what he does and he gets clients wanting big sheep just like most other businesses your reputation and record gets you more customers.. Maybe a big part of the issue is that sadly Washington only has one Rocky tag which sucks for all of us wanting a tag. Maybe if the natives didn't kill a couple a year in the SE there could be more tags and I believe wws has been active in addressing that but its a never ending battle.. I can't speak for ramslam but I know he has had a life long commitment to sheep especially those in his backyard and knows them well and has been involved in many harvests so I would say that has much more to do with being involved in hunts than being on any board but thats just my personal opinion. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory guy if I don't like something I just don't participate or else I jump in and try and make a change..
Post by: trophyhunt on March 02, 2022, 12:11:01 PM
Not much of a conspiracy guy??? I call BS on that, I seen you in the bigfoot thread!! :chuckle: See ya next week scott!If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.
No I don't know the answer to that not really in my wheelhouse.. I do have a good friend in New Mexico that is probably that states premier sheep outfitter and is an officer on their wild sheep board and I don't think that has anything to do with why he books most of the auction and raffle tag hunters for sheep. Its because he is good at what he does and he gets clients wanting big sheep just like most other businesses your reputation and record gets you more customers.. Maybe a big part of the issue is that sadly Washington only has one Rocky tag which sucks for all of us wanting a tag. Maybe if the natives didn't kill a couple a year in the SE there could be more tags and I believe wws has been active in addressing that but its a never ending battle.. I can't speak for ramslam but I know he has had a life long commitment to sheep especially those in his backyard and knows them well and has been involved in many harvests so I would say that has much more to do with being involved in hunts than being on any board but thats just my personal opinion. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory guy if I don't like something I just don't participate or else I jump in and try and make a change..
Post by: nwhunter on March 02, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
Not much of a conspiracy guy??? I call BS on that, I seen you in the bigfoot thread!! :chuckle: See ya next week scott!If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess that's up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..Fair assessments. Do you know of any other ngo that board members benefit financially from the ONLY harvested subspecies they help conserve? On public land? Over many years? I would question any critter org where this is going on. There is no question that people volunteer for what they are passionate about but sheep management in Washington disproportionately benefits the "in" crowd and elite. It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.
No I don't know the answer to that not really in my wheelhouse.. I do have a good friend in New Mexico that is probably that states premier sheep outfitter and is an officer on their wild sheep board and I don't think that has anything to do with why he books most of the auction and raffle tag hunters for sheep. Its because he is good at what he does and he gets clients wanting big sheep just like most other businesses your reputation and record gets you more customers.. Maybe a big part of the issue is that sadly Washington only has one Rocky tag which sucks for all of us wanting a tag. Maybe if the natives didn't kill a couple a year in the SE there could be more tags and I believe wws has been active in addressing that but its a never ending battle.. I can't speak for ramslam but I know he has had a life long commitment to sheep especially those in his backyard and knows them well and has been involved in many harvests so I would say that has much more to do with being involved in hunts than being on any board but thats just my personal opinion. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory guy if I don't like something I just don't participate or else I jump in and try and make a change..
Well I do live in Bigfoot country....haha. Yep see you next weekend... Bottom line we are all on the same team.. Hunters...
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2022, 11:11:18 PM
If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess thats up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..
How is this any different than the fishing industry, guides and commercials, getting on boards and advocating for their paychecks? :rolleyes:
Post by: Tbar on March 03, 2022, 12:33:03 AM
Where is there one fish? That the board is the sole financial beneficiary? :rolleyes:If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess thats up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..
How is this any different than the fishing industry, guides and commercials, getting on boards and advocating for their paychecks? :rolleyes:
Post by: idahohuntr on March 03, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.I agree funds generally go to a good cause from ANY of the state auction tags, but I have this same question and I am not convinced that the average sportsman actually benefits from these auction revenues.
I honestly don't know that auction tags will be around much longer in WA anyway. Get this issue in front of the current commission and I'm betting all auction tags go away in a hurry. With all the uptick in these citizen petitions lately I'm betting somebody is already working on one and I have a pretty good guess where lorna and her friends are going to vote.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 03, 2022, 09:38:00 AM
It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.I agree funds generally go to a good cause from ANY of the state auction tags, but I have this same question and I am not convinced that the average sportsman actually benefits from these auction revenues.
I honestly don't know that auction tags will be around much longer in WA anyway. Get this issue in front of the current commission and I'm betting all auction tags go away in a hurry. With all the uptick in these citizen petitions lately I'm betting somebody is already working on one and I have a pretty good guess where lorna and her friends are going to vote.
So you're saying WDFW is going to turn down that kind of big money for 1 animal per specie? I certainly don't see that happening anytime soon. :twocents:
Post by: idahohuntr on March 03, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
I think if you listened to a commission meeting and heard from Lorna and her friends you would be very surprised. :tup:It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.I agree funds generally go to a good cause from ANY of the state auction tags, but I have this same question and I am not convinced that the average sportsman actually benefits from these auction revenues.
I honestly don't know that auction tags will be around much longer in WA anyway. Get this issue in front of the current commission and I'm betting all auction tags go away in a hurry. With all the uptick in these citizen petitions lately I'm betting somebody is already working on one and I have a pretty good guess where lorna and her friends are going to vote.
So you're saying WDFW is going to turn down that kind of big money for 1 animal per specie? I certainly don't see that happening anytime soon. :twocents:
Post by: Stein on March 03, 2022, 10:23:27 AM
Post by: nwhunter on March 03, 2022, 04:04:18 PM
Where is there one fish? That the board is the sole financial beneficiary? :rolleyes:If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess thats up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..
How is this any different than the fishing industry, guides and commercials, getting on boards and advocating for their paychecks? :rolleyes:
I would disagree that the board is the sole beneficiary of the Rocky raffle. WWS gets a percentage of the total tickets sold I believe and they do all the marketing and wdfw gets the rest to spend on the sheep which benefits all of us want to be sheep hunters I would think. Then whomever wins the raffle gets to pick from a couple of outfitters if they decide to go with a guide to hunt their ram. Sure the money guys get the tag most of the time but not always. Atleast its a raffle and not an auction tag so we all have a chance.. Last year there was a Rocky wenaha draw tag and hopefully there will be one this year so there is actually two finally..
Post by: trophyhunt on March 03, 2022, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 03, 2022, 07:03:16 PM
I think if you listened to a commission meeting and heard from Lorna and her friends you would be very surprised. :tup:It's not to say that the funds generated do not go back to conservation but is this the only tool to generate revenue? Proviso or directed funds if necessary? If the species are imperiled what is the road map to successful management? As it stands now there are many questions and few answers other than comments on pack goats. IMHO that's like plugging a single hole in a sieve and claiming actions when the end result is unaltered.Transparency is a foundation of trust and the lack of answer from @ramslam is clear. This is as unique of a conflict of interest situation as I've ever witnessed. Add in some previous raffle questions and it becomes more concerning. I'm sure there will be ample time to discuss in the future.I agree funds generally go to a good cause from ANY of the state auction tags, but I have this same question and I am not convinced that the average sportsman actually benefits from these auction revenues.
I honestly don't know that auction tags will be around much longer in WA anyway. Get this issue in front of the current commission and I'm betting all auction tags go away in a hurry. With all the uptick in these citizen petitions lately I'm betting somebody is already working on one and I have a pretty good guess where lorna and her friends are going to vote.
So you're saying WDFW is going to turn down that kind of big money for 1 animal per specie? I certainly don't see that happening anytime soon. :twocents:
I have and I agree with you on what Lorna would do. I'm not sure she'll be the deciding factor on that thankfully.
Post by: huntnphool on March 03, 2022, 11:49:40 PM
Where is there one fish? That the board is the sole financial beneficiary? :rolleyes:If you look at the people involved with most all of these volunteer driven groups involving wildlife, whether its sheep, mule deer, mt goats or elk , many if not most of the board members are either outfitters or avid hunter in all the states. Can it be viewed as a conflict of interest ? I guess thats up to each person and how you choose to view it . Having been on many volunteer groups and boards I do know that almost everyone that involves themselves in any of these volunteer positions have a personal reason for it otherwise why the heck would anyone volunteer their time, effort and usually personal money to the cause..? I am glad we have people to volunteer for these organizations that have a love for the animals because otherwise we could get board members like we have on the WDFW wildlife commission that have an agenda that is 180 from what we as hunters want with their personal desires to protect predators. I am sure there is room for volunteers on the WWS board as with any volunteer committee there is never enough help. I don't understand everything about where the money goes and money to all the other organizations either but I do support the efforts of volunteers doing a job I don't have time to do so I will go to the banquet next week and support them and wild sheep and I am betting many of these questions will be answered there..
How is this any different than the fishing industry, guides and commercials, getting on boards and advocating for their paychecks? :rolleyes:
Wow, you are seriously twisted right now!
Are auction tag winners required to hire a guide?…no different than fisherman! :chuckle:
Post by: CaNINE on March 13, 2022, 06:59:26 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 13, 2022, 08:45:31 AM
Post by: time2hunt on March 13, 2022, 02:50:44 PM
. Would love to see this venue moved over to the East side of the mountain I think Wenatchee would be perfect. As for the wild and rude surprise in the elevator that’s a whole different story lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: lhrbull on March 13, 2022, 03:38:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 13, 2022, 03:40:03 PM
Yeah, and the food was pretty good! $55 for the moose tag!! I think there are a lot of people with money out there, all the auctions went for big money! Couple coolers went for around $3,000!! I bet we raised a ton last night! Was great to see all the peeps I don’t get to see enough! Fun night.
Heck $55 I could afford that!!! :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 13, 2022, 04:48:12 PM
lol, oops! Fixed it.Yeah, and the food was pretty good! $55 for the moose tag!! I think there are a lot of people with money out there, all the auctions went for big money! Couple coolers went for around $3,000!! I bet we raised a ton last night! Was great to see all the peeps I don’t get to see enough! Fun night.
Heck $55 I could afford that!!! :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 13, 2022, 04:49:07 PM
yakima would be centrally locatednooooo, stay on the wet/commie side!
Post by: jackelope on March 13, 2022, 05:15:57 PM
I would have gone $60!! if you didn’t fix it.lol, oops! Fixed it.Yeah, and the food was pretty good! $55 for the moose tag!! I think there are a lot of people with money out there, all the auctions went for big money! Couple coolers went for around $3,000!! I bet we raised a ton last night! Was great to see all the peeps I don’t get to see enough! Fun night.
Heck $55 I could afford that!!! :chuckle:
Post by: Tbar on March 13, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
Post by: cem3434 on March 13, 2022, 06:43:30 PM
Very interesting night. Had some great conversations, venue was way too small for the crowd. Probably left with far more questions than answers.
Please expand on what was interesting and what questions you have that weren't answered. You have been pretty outspoken, but making statements like your last comment about having more questions than answers does nothing in my opinion to move the conversation forward.
I think most of us feel like we are trying to help put more and keep sheep on the mountain. Do some guys with deep pockets win and buy some high priced items? Yes. Does all of the money go to the sheep? No. Do a lot of other animals and use groups benefit from our donations? Yes. Will most of us ever get to hunt sheep in our lives? No.
Lots of questions with simple answers, but at least we are trying to do something versus just chastising others on the internet. Just look at the list of projects in the program that our money has helped with over the years and then you will see why many of us are passionate about supporting the sheep foundation.
Post by: Tbar on March 13, 2022, 08:25:53 PM
Post by: nwhunter on March 13, 2022, 09:16:22 PM
Out of respect to a couple of folks I'll probably not get too deep. There is a real conflict of interest within the amin. There is a lack of transparency and the commitment to conservation of sheep vs growing record book sheep is definitely debatable. As for just chastising others on the internet, please bring a resume of volunteering over a lifetime and we can compare. Not saying I give the most but I absolutely have given many thousands of hours volunteering as well as a commitment to conservation. As with others, volunteering comes at an expense and the rewards are often intangible. On a side note I was happy to see the moose tag end on the right side of the room and wish him luck.Since you were in the same room with the two guys you apparently have an issue with did you even approach them and have a conversation about your issues. I’m sure they would have taken time to chat in between everything else they were doing to make the banquet happen..I would have bought you a beer and chatted but no idea who you are tbar 🤷🏽♂️It was nice to have an in person banquet again and good to see so many people that are on the same side…As far as the moose tag the guy who got it is a good buddy of mine and spent hard earned dollars to get that and he should get a great bull.. not sure who the other bidders were but assume they were good guys as well just hoping to get to hunt big shiras moose…
Post by: Tbar on March 13, 2022, 09:52:50 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 14, 2022, 06:31:51 AM
Didn't get to talk with ya Scott, it was great to be at the show again in person! All those involved put on a good show, lots of work was done. Tbar, I haven't read every page on this thread, but I have this sense you dislike the foundation? Why were you there then? If I'm wrong, then I apologize but if you have some animosity about something, what is it exactly? Is there a real example you have of fishy stuff going on?Out of respect to a couple of folks I'll probably not get too deep. There is a real conflict of interest within the amin. There is a lack of transparency and the commitment to conservation of sheep vs growing record book sheep is definitely debatable. As for just chastising others on the internet, please bring a resume of volunteering over a lifetime and we can compare. Not saying I give the most but I absolutely have given many thousands of hours volunteering as well as a commitment to conservation. As with others, volunteering comes at an expense and the rewards are often intangible. On a side note I was happy to see the moose tag end on the right side of the room and wish him luck.Since you were in the same room with the two guys you apparently have an issue with did you even approach them and have a conversation about your issues. I’m sure they would have taken time to chat in between everything else they were doing to make the banquet happen..I would have bought you a beer and chatted but no idea who you are tbar 🤷🏽♂️It was nice to have an in person banquet again and good to see so many people that are on the same side…As far as the moose tag the guy who got it is a good buddy of mine and spent hard earned dollars to get that and he should get a great bull.. not sure who the other bidders were but assume they were good guys as well just hoping to get to hunt big shiras moose…
Post by: Tbar on March 14, 2022, 08:38:34 AM
Post by: nwhunter on March 14, 2022, 09:48:31 AM
I'm a visual person and have been asked to check out the show by both members and attendees. You always learn more by being somewhere. It was a great party with lots of like minded people. The venue was too small for the crowd, they ran the food line through the tables. The food was okay if you like commercial grade rib and Atlantic salmon. The biggest beneficiary was the venue. I've never minded spending money on a party. If you want to get into commitment to conservation, other conservation minded NGO's and conflicts of interests with Bailey and landrus we can go there. When it comes to sheep conservation and putting and keeping more sheep on the mountain the WWSF probably would be 3rd or 4th in Washington state while having the most means of any .org. They like many critter orgs often won't always do what's right to the species they represent because of who tabled the idea or who it might offend. It's all a balance and not always about the sheep as the message and mission would lead you to believe. They knew I was there and had many opportunities to engage but like previously stated they were very busy.
Well after going two years with no in person events for groups like this they could have served hot dogs and had us stand out in the rain in line and I wouldn't get on here and complain .. I'm a volunteer on many fronts, heck I get to coach peewee basketball tonight of all thing, and I know that no matter the cause theres no way to make everyone happy. Whatever your issue is with the wa wild sheep guys is don't let it taint the efforts behind putting on a banquet for a good cause and getting everyone togethor for a night that looked like everyone enjoyed... I'm done commenting here.....
Post by: starbailey on March 14, 2022, 01:48:15 PM
Post by: starbailey on March 14, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Post by: Falcon on March 14, 2022, 07:38:34 PM
It was an honor having the new & old state record rocky rams in the display.
Thanks Brian for sponsoring the entire ram display. I had a great time checking in rams and talking with the members bringing them in. Very proud to be involved with our WSF chapter. Some hard working guys and gals who have the same common goal. To work hand in hand with all of our partners to keep Washington moving forward with sustainable bighorn sheep management.
Post by: 10mmg on March 14, 2022, 10:08:45 PM
See ya all next year.