Post by: saylean on February 02, 2022, 08:20:24 AM
Follow the link to make comments on spring bear. Get to it. We don’t have a lot of time on this.
You can post as many times as you like. You know the antis will so get to it.
Also, :hello: to wa wildlife first. I know you be watching... :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 02, 2022, 08:23:13 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 02, 2022, 08:39:52 AM
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 02, 2022, 08:53:21 AM
Post by: dyhardhuntr on February 02, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Weatherby92 on February 02, 2022, 09:06:13 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 02, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on February 02, 2022, 09:58:12 AM
Gary
Post by: elkrack on February 02, 2022, 09:59:42 AM
Done and shared.
:yeah:
Post by: Timberstalker on February 02, 2022, 10:08:53 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2022, 10:11:27 AM
Post by: pickardjw on February 02, 2022, 10:15:14 AM
How will that be enforced?
Post by: lewy on February 02, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 02, 2022, 10:27:15 AM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
It won't imo, but, if that language is required to move forward I accept.
Post by: .257mag on February 02, 2022, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 02, 2022, 10:55:34 AM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
It won't imo, but, if that language is required to move forward I accept.
It could if they require an examination of the carcass like with cougar.
Isn't their currently a requirement for spring bears to bring in proof of sex that was added in the the last couple years, very easy for them to just up it to same requirements as cougar.
Post by: Alan K on February 02, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
I suspect it will just result in some wasted bears if someone shoots a bear that turns out to be a milking sow and cannot have the hide checked without looking guilty. The reality is a boar could have killed the cubs the day before. So really, it's unenforceable unless directly observed in the act.
I don't know of anyone that would knowingly shoot a sow with cubs. The reason it's always been "urged not to shoot sows with cubs" rather than "prohibited from" is that WDFW understood there are rare mistakes and they'd rather an animal not lay to waste. Just another aspect the animal rights folks don't understand. The reality is even if a sow with first year cubs were harvested it wouldn't even scratch the population, but that's another topic all together....
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 02, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
It won't imo, but, if that language is required to move forward I accept.
It could if they require an examination of the carcass like with cougar.
Isn't their currently a requirement for spring bears to bring in proof of sex that was added in the the last couple years, very easy for them to just up it to same requirements as cougar.
That would require someone self reporting the error. Or someone else reporting it. They going to give points for bear?
Post by: saylean on February 02, 2022, 11:14:31 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 02, 2022, 11:18:20 AM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
It won't imo, but, if that language is required to move forward I accept.
It could if they require an examination of the carcass like with cougar.
Isn't their currently a requirement for spring bears to bring in proof of sex that was added in the the last couple years, very easy for them to just up it to same requirements as cougar.
That would require someone self reporting the error. Or someone else reporting it. They going to give points for bear?
I would think it would be like anything else, those who aren't going to follow the rules won't, and those that do will.
But are more regulations and/or stipulations as a harvest requirement what is really needed?
All I was saying is, be careful what you are willing to accept just to get what you want, it can come back later and may not be in a good way.
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 11:19:51 AM
Yes and Yes.Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
It won't imo, but, if that language is required to move forward I accept.
It could if they require an examination of the carcass like with cougar.
Isn't their currently a requirement for spring bears to bring in proof of sex that was added in the the last couple years, very easy for them to just up it to same requirements as cougar.
Seen that even though I'm not totally crazy about making a poacher out of someone that makes a "mistake" By taking a female with cubs , I agree it's the writting we need to go forward with the spring bear hunt. It's kinda falls in line with the way the general public view us as hunters.
Just maybe they could make the fine very small,or still allow us as hunters to keep the bear. And just be used as a deterrent to follow the basic rules.
I had a spring bear tag last year,And could of filled it many times on females with cubs. But didn't,cause I seen the writting on the wall. And had a feeling it would be very bad for all future hunts. And I ate tag soup ,and I'm ok with that.
And hope to draw again and maybe redeem myself on a boar.
We have antler restrictions and other laws that are basically the same for other animals.
I know it's not what anybody wants to hear about more regulations. These animal rights people want you to report these females with cubs harvested ,so they can throw it in our faces. I say let's go on with the hunt,do our best,Maybe at some point down the road when WDFW can give better "scientific data on bear numbers and such,rules like these might just put us that much closer to OTC spring bear.
Other states that do have OTC spring bear hunts have similar rules.
Post by: Platensek-po on February 02, 2022, 11:23:27 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 02, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
Thanks Saylean
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
I don't care what rules there is.
We need to support it no matter what,it needs to come back now,or it will be gone for good.
And we don't want that.
Post by: KNOPHISH on February 02, 2022, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on February 02, 2022, 11:54:45 AM
Post by: buckfvr on February 02, 2022, 12:04:25 PM
Post by: salt n sage90 on February 02, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
I thought it was already sort of an unwritten rule here.
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 12:21:14 PM
Im not sure I have every met anyone that knowingly chose to shoot a sow with cubs. Nobody I know relishes the idea of orphaned cubs.:yeah:
I thought it was already sort of an unwritten rule here.
Correct and correct :tup:
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2022, 12:28:16 PM
:yeah: I also added that when we could bait bear it was even easier to target certain bears and much easier to not accidently shoot females with cubs. I told them bait is #1 way to target boars and spring bear hunt is #2. I also told them that people who were uneducated about baiting bears are the same people who want spring bear gone, told them to go with the science and not their hearts.Im not sure I have every met anyone that knowingly chose to shoot a sow with cubs. Nobody I know relishes the idea of orphaned cubs.:yeah:
I thought it was already sort of an unwritten rule here.
Correct and correct :tup:
Post by: RugerRay on February 02, 2022, 12:33:16 PM
Post by: harveymarv on February 02, 2022, 12:33:38 PM
Im not sure I have every met anyone that knowingly chose to shoot a sow with cubs. Nobody I know relishes the idea of orphaned cubs.:yeah:
I thought it was already sort of an unwritten rule here.
Correct and correct :tup:
i believe there is already a written recommendation in the regs not to shoot sows with cubs. nobody does this knowingly. adding that prohibition will serve only to waste the time of agents that are already stretched thin.
lots of good comments are going in. antihunters havent shown up with their form letters yet, but you know they will…
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 02, 2022, 12:39:09 PM
Post by: pickardjw on February 02, 2022, 12:51:21 PM
Post by: nwhunter on February 02, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
Post by: ganghis on February 02, 2022, 03:09:12 PM
Post by: wannabhntr on February 02, 2022, 03:18:13 PM
Post by: saylean on February 02, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
Comment submitted.....Side note.......as a novice bear hunter, is there anyway to tell that you are shooting a lactating sow aside from actually seeing a cub?
Not unless you squeeze some boobies.
Also, you can comment multiple times.
Post by: wannabhntr on February 02, 2022, 03:42:49 PM
Kind of what I thought. Thank you. And I have submitted twice so far.Comment submitted.....Side note.......as a novice bear hunter, is there anyway to tell that you are shooting a lactating sow aside from actually seeing a cub?
Not unless you squeeze some boobies.
Also, you can comment multiple times.
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 03:56:12 PM
You read the paragraph very carefully ,it's says nothing about lactating.Comment submitted.....Side note.......as a novice bear hunter, is there anyway to tell that you are shooting a lactating sow aside from actually seeing a cub?
Not unless you squeeze some boobies.
Also, you can comment multiple times.
WAC 220-415-080, and to add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring. Offspring would be defined as less than one year old or less than 50 pounds.
I was gonna comment a 1000 times ,but for some reason it puts my name by my comment.
So I'm special ed :chuckle:
Or they know I'm a cheater. :chuckle:
Post by: elkrack on February 02, 2022, 05:46:55 PM
:yeah: I also added that when we could bait bear it was even easier to target certain bears and much easier to not accidently shoot females with cubs. I told them bait is #1 way to target boars and spring bear hunt is #2. I also told them that people who were uneducated about baiting bears are the same people who want spring bear gone, told them to go with the science and not their hearts.Im not sure I have every met anyone that knowingly chose to shoot a sow with cubs. Nobody I know relishes the idea of orphaned cubs.:yeah:
I thought it was already sort of an unwritten rule here.
Correct and correct :tup:
Spot on jerry :tup:
Post by: carbide on February 02, 2022, 05:59:06 PM
Post by: 87Ford on February 02, 2022, 06:37:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2022, 06:41:11 PM
Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
This is also there:
"The proposed revisions clearly state that the pelt and head must be unfrozen and that evidence of sex and the head must be attached to the pelt. Further the proposed edits would assist WDFW staff’s implementation of the rule by adding a requirement that a successful hunter schedule an inspection with WDFW staff within 72 hours of the harvest."
Maybe this has already been posted.
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 07:35:26 PM
That just says sex and head.Anyone catch this? Part of the vote is to, "add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring."
How will that be enforced?
This is also there:
"The proposed revisions clearly state that the pelt and head must be unfrozen and that evidence of sex and the head must be attached to the pelt. Further the proposed edits would assist WDFW staff’s implementation of the rule by adding a requirement that a successful hunter schedule an inspection with WDFW staff within 72 hours of the harvest."
Maybe this has already been posted.
Doesn't say teats.
Maybe I'm not a very good Skinner.
Ether way ,doesn't matter sportsmen/woman/hunters ......
Need to get over it and support something together.
Before it disappears forever.
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2022, 10:30:16 PM
Just so it's at the top first thing in the mourning. :chuckle:
Post by: RB on February 02, 2022, 11:10:56 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 03, 2022, 05:25:29 AM
DONE
DONE!!!!!!!!
I don't know why I get so excited to hit the draws and maybe lose.But I'm excited!!!!!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 03, 2022, 05:42:21 AM
Post by: hunter399 on February 03, 2022, 06:48:07 AM
Someone has to beI've been working OT ,just so I can get my licences,and be ready for this crap show.
I'm all in now. Just freaking mud hole deep.
Post by: hunter399 on February 03, 2022, 06:56:03 AM
Just for people hitting it today.
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
Post by: GASoline71 on February 03, 2022, 07:09:40 AM
Gary
Post by: wannabhntr on February 03, 2022, 07:09:59 AM
You are correct. I should have read it closer. Some of the comments mention lactation. That is where I got that from.You read the paragraph very carefully ,it's says nothing about lactating.Comment submitted.....Side note.......as a novice bear hunter, is there anyway to tell that you are shooting a lactating sow aside from actually seeing a cub?
Not unless you squeeze some boobies.
Also, you can comment multiple times.
WAC 220-415-080, and to add a stipulation prohibiting harvest of female black bears with offspring and prohibiting the harvest of offspring. Offspring would be defined as less than one year old or less than 50 pounds.
I was gonna comment a 1000 times ,but for some reason it puts my name by my comment.
So I'm special ed :chuckle:
Or they know I'm a cheater. :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on February 03, 2022, 07:22:07 AM
I just read through a ton of comments over coffee this morning. I did not see one single comment that was against the spring bear hunt! Overwhelming majority of hunters and pro-hunting!
Gary
That is true and good to see, but remember there are other ways to comment that might not be visible there:
Post by: Stein on February 03, 2022, 07:28:00 AM
Post by: pickardjw on February 03, 2022, 10:22:18 AM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear
I did finally find one opposed comment.
I'm confident the food value of Black Bears is somewhere between inconsequential to non-existent. Absent evidence of environmental or human harm, why kill them ?
Post by: Widgeondeke on February 03, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
Post by: doubletall on February 03, 2022, 11:07:16 AM
Post by: GOcougsHunter on February 03, 2022, 12:49:40 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 03, 2022, 12:53:49 PM
I am not a spring bear hunter. However I fully support those who do. I placed my pro bear season comment this morning. This speaks to our community as a whole. Even though it may not be something you participate in, we need to support our entire community by positively banding together with those who do pursue bears in the Spring. The pro spring bear hunting comments on the WDFW site are pouring in by the minute. We are a force and shows what we can do when we work together.:yeah:
They went after spring bear simply because it was "low-hanging fruit", much like hound hunting and baiting. They clearly won't stop there.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 03, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Comment through HowlForWildlife as well. It looks this is an email comment submission so it's a good way to get your voice extra heard!
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear
I did finally find one opposed comment.
I'm confident the food value of Black Bears is somewhere between inconsequential to non-existent. Absent evidence of environmental or human harm, why kill them ?
I followed that comment.
Post by: hunter399 on February 03, 2022, 01:03:55 PM
I'm guessing they don't like bear summer sausage then. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Comment through HowlForWildlife as well. It looks this is an email comment submission so it's a good way to get your voice extra heard!
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear
I did finally find one opposed comment.
I'm confident the food value of Black Bears is somewhere between inconsequential to non-existent. Absent evidence of environmental or human harm, why kill them ?
I followed that comment.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 03, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/feb/03/kim-thorburn-following-existing-laws-would-fix-fis/?fbclid=IwAR3mQnUFQboB7cQ7Bsn_0ZXr0_DsYIogUqhFyBy9EWcmL7Ib_oOOxZ6RKhQ
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 03, 2022, 01:32:48 PM
I'm guessing they don't like bear summer sausage then. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Comment through HowlForWildlife as well. It looks this is an email comment submission so it's a good way to get your voice extra heard!
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear
I did finally find one opposed comment.
I'm confident the food value of Black Bears is somewhere between inconsequential to non-existent. Absent evidence of environmental or human harm, why kill them ?
I followed that comment.
He's never tried it but he's confident he's right and wants you to be confident, too. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on February 03, 2022, 02:32:17 PM
Ya I'm sure we are gonna see some crazy in the comments.I'm guessing they don't like bear summer sausage then. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Comment through HowlForWildlife as well. It looks this is an email comment submission so it's a good way to get your voice extra heard!
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear
I did finally find one opposed comment.
I'm confident the food value of Black Bears is somewhere between inconsequential to non-existent. Absent evidence of environmental or human harm, why kill them ?
I followed that comment.
He's never tried it but he's confident he's right and wants you to be confident, too. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: saylean on February 03, 2022, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: NewHunter24 on February 03, 2022, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on February 04, 2022, 09:18:42 AM
The 2nd opposed comment I've seen. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 04, 2022, 09:27:40 AM
"We’ve already failed at trying to safely hunt bears and it’s time to stop trying. Give them a break. See how many eagles we have now? Stop hunting them. Let Mother Nature take care of the food chain. The balance is in her hands, not ours."I saw that one :chuckle: 🤦♂️
The 2nd opposed comment I've seen. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on February 04, 2022, 09:43:22 AM
Post by: pickardjw on February 04, 2022, 09:46:11 AM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on February 04, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
Deadline to comment: 3/12/22 @ 4:00 p.m.
I find that odd because the Commission hearing is 3/11/22 at 8:00 a.m. Better to comment well before the hearing.
Post by: hunter399 on February 04, 2022, 08:24:03 PM
Done a couple times and emails sent to other hunters I know.Ya that is strange ,comments are done two days before the meeting.🤔
Deadline to comment: 3/12/22 @ 4:00 p.m.
I find that odd because the Commission hearing is 3/11/22 at 8:00 a.m. Better to comment well before the hearing.
Most other times.
Post by: bearpaw on February 06, 2022, 10:03:04 AM
Post by: elkboy on February 06, 2022, 12:54:54 PM
"Hunting seasons that target specific species, for specific objectives, are an important tool in the hands of wildlife managers. Given the currently strong populations of black bear in Washington State, and the current need to enhance the early summer survival of deer fawns and elk calves in a number of herds (which black bears can negatively impact- see Zager and Beecham 2006, among other references), there is no biological reason to oppose carefully planned spring bear hunts. In addition, black bear are a legitimate game animal, given the notable recreational and food value they provide. I urge the Department and the Commission to strongly reconsider their seemingly arbitrary removal of spring bear hunts, a hunting opportunity which has been offered for decades in Washington State without any apparent negative effect on black bear populations."
Post by: duckmen1 on February 06, 2022, 01:41:48 PM
We will all comment but will probably see the Anti effect of our department anyhow. But hopefully they will open there eyes a little. And hope spring bear is reversed to what we have seen for years. Still believe we could do a over the counter hunt in this state and have a positive outcome. They could even seperate a spring bear license from a fall bear license to make the revenue. I would support that.
Still can't believe they are trying to outlaw baiting deer and elk with the already limited restrictions and are using the reasons they are when they have feed stations set through the state. Blows my mind the hypicritical aspect we see on things.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 06, 2022, 07:47:49 PM
Post by: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 08:54:52 AM
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 09:13:16 AM
Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see :bash:Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times. People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out. Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.
Post by: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
I don't see how cussing out the Commission and calling them morons is constructive.
Post by: bracer40 on February 07, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 09:59:57 AM
I have not seen evidence of these vicious attacks, no. That's not to say that they don't exist. Maybe they're smart and keep them out of view of the greater public.Are you serious? "They're smart"? Did you follow the Coyote contest? The op-ed attacks? The questioning of the bear density data? The legislature mandated cougar public safety implementation? All of these were accompanied by many attacks by AR folks.
I don't see how cussing out the Commission and calling them morons is constructive.
IMHO passionate, real sometimes off color articulation of the situation at hand is not all bad. We all have losses to explain and I hate to see the momentum lost because people need to censor their rhetoric to extremes. I also look at the root of the anger and passion, this speaks volumes and I truly believe has a place in compelling the naive majority of this state and beyond who don't hunt or fish but do not oppose. So a mix of well articulated fact based rhetoric with an occasional punch in the gut sits well with me. I can tell you from experience well spoken echo chambers or the constant high road has not proven effective in my walk. Tell your story and hope they listen.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 07, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
Washington Bear-Baiting Act, Initiative 655 (1996 ...
The Washington Bear-Baiting Initiative, also known as Initiative 655, was on the November 5, 1996 ballot in Washington as an Initiative to the People, where it was approved. The measure categorized hunting for black bears with bait and black bears, cougars, bobcats, and lynxes with dogs, as gross misdemeanors.
Post by: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 10:34:30 AM
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons.
If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 11:18:20 AM
Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples.Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count. I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent. I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals. If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted. You seem to be well versed so guide us. You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons.
If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 11:31:53 AM
Post by: Wunderlich33 on February 07, 2022, 11:33:10 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 07, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Post by: emac on February 07, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 07, 2022, 12:34:55 PM
Post by: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 12:56:18 PM
Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples.Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count. I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent. I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals. If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted. You seem to be well versed so guide us. You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons.
If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.
Unsurprisingly, not an effective message if the goal is to change my opinion. No I did not listen to those. If the anti's are cussing Commissioners out and calling them names then good. I only see that as detrimental to their cause. I have yet to see an example of that in writing that can be compared to the one I posted.
I thought the goal was to show support for the Spring Bear season with these comments and potentially sway the opinion of the new Commissioners or the other No votes. But if the goal is to vent anger and frustration and insult the people that we're trying to get on our side then it seems appropriate.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 07, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
It’s a lot different spouting off on the internet vs in person or zoom. :twocents:
Post by: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 01:39:22 PM
As someone who listens to all the commission meetings, almost all comments are respectful.I would agree with this. The attacks on thornburn over the last 2 plus years have been respectfully disrespectful.
It’s a lot different spouting off on the internet vs in person or zoom. :twocents:
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 14, 2022, 08:01:48 PM
Those opposed to the hunt are getting active. Keep posting comments and spreading the word.
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 14, 2022, 08:23:16 PM
Link to public comment page. Figure it doesn’t hurt to post it again.
Post by: HUNT JR on February 15, 2022, 06:45:46 AM
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 15, 2022, 07:14:41 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 15, 2022, 07:43:53 AM
Post by: Grousehunter19 on February 15, 2022, 08:04:57 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 15, 2022, 08:06:37 AM
Post by: hawks33 on February 15, 2022, 08:17:07 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 15, 2022, 08:30:31 AM
It's really sad to see the disconnect between what the antis think of spring bear hunters and hunters in general and what 99% of hunters really are...great folks that truly want a sustainable resource, enjoy time with friends and family in the outdoors, and the opportunity to work your *** off for some food. The comments are truly ignorant. Please comment and support hunting:yeah:
It would be interesting to see if the sentiments expressed by many antis regarding bears (and I saw wolves mentioned, and imagine cats are included) extend to other animals like ungulates, rodents, birds, fish, insects, etc. Somehow I doubt it; it's a strange viewpoint I fail to fully understand.
Bump for link:
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102 (https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102)
Post by: GASoline71 on February 15, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
Just a hunch.
Gary
Post by: Rainier10 on February 15, 2022, 09:06:06 AM
Post by: saylean on February 15, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
This may sound like a stupid question but can you comment more then once?
As many times as you like
Post by: mburrows on February 15, 2022, 09:33:08 AM
Post by: mburrows on February 15, 2022, 09:37:56 AM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
Post by: 7mmfan on February 15, 2022, 09:38:42 AM
"I strongly support the continuation of the spring bear hunt. Washington State has one of the most robust black bear populations in the lower 48 states. The science and data has shown that the frequency of incidental kills of lactating sows with cubs is virtually zero, so is not a reason to hold this hunt up. Our big game species need to be scientifically managed to the benefit of all species, not just the ones we see fit. Managing black bear populations benefits struggling ungulate populations in many of the hunt areas. Man has been a keystone to the natural food chain since we came on the landscape. If we "leave nature alone" we are effectively removing an apex predator from the landscape, the only predator that some of these animals have. The hunt and management of these animals needs to continue."
I see a lot of opposing comments referencing killing cubs and trophy hunting. My next comment will address the food value of bears and that we want strong bear populations to continue to hunt, so killing sows with cubs not only doesn't happen, but makes no sense.
Post by: saylean on February 15, 2022, 09:51:37 AM
855.925.2801 code 6453
Post by: hunter399 on February 15, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Make me very upset.
You can tell most are against all hunting,and have very little to do with the "spring bear hunt" .
Where do they think the money comes from that support wildlife conservation.
I don't stop them from eating there organic round up salad .
Why are they trying to stop me from eating bear meat.
It's so frustrated.
I bet a good portion of these anti-hunters ,don't even live in Washington.
Post by: bornhunter on February 15, 2022, 10:06:18 AM
I agree, we need to step up our commenting. The way the different demographics work is interesting to watch. The anti hunters definitely have a strategy and a coordinated plan of attack. In general it seems that we as hunters fall into a group that feels that once we've commented, our position has been established, and there is no further need to expand on it. The Anti hunting group has figured out that the squeaky wheel gets the attention. They comment over and over and in large amounts. If we aren't careful, they will outnumber us again. We need to take some ques from their playbook and be the squeaky wheel. If we want more opportunity, we need to start making ourselves heard and in overwhelming volumes. I have been guilty of not commenting in the past when I had the opportunity, or only commenting once. I'll be commenting daily until this closes with a well thought out, respectful, fact based comment. I don't know if the comments such as, "I support the hunt", or simply, "support", carry any weight. Here is my comment from earlier today.
"I strongly support the continuation of the spring bear hunt. Washington State has one of the most robust black bear populations in the lower 48 states. The science and data has shown that the frequency of incidental kills of lactating sows with cubs is virtually zero, so is not a reason to hold this hunt up. Our big game species need to be scientifically managed to the benefit of all species, not just the ones we see fit. Managing black bear populations benefits struggling ungulate populations in many of the hunt areas. Man has been a keystone to the natural food chain since we came on the landscape. If we "leave nature alone" we are effectively removing an apex predator from the landscape, the only predator that some of these animals have. The hunt and management of these animals needs to continue."
I see a lot of opposing comments referencing killing cubs and trophy hunting. My next comment will address the food value of bears and that we want strong bear populations to continue to hunt, so killing sows with cubs not only doesn't happen, but makes no sense.
Well done! :tup:
Post by: vandeman17 on February 15, 2022, 10:19:12 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on February 15, 2022, 10:25:09 AM
Just reading the comments ,
Make me very upset.
You can tell most are against all hunting,and have very little to do with the "spring bear hunt" .
Where do they think the money comes from that support wildlife conservation.
I don't stop them from eating there organic round up salad .
Why are they trying to stop me from eating bear meat.
It's so frustrated.
I bet a good portion of these anti-hunters ,don't even live in Washington.
I agree, its really tough to see the kinds of comments that they're throwing out there. The sad thing is they think they are true and won't listen to any science but their own. I must be more sheltered than I thought.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 15, 2022, 10:29:54 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on February 15, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
Whats really sad is I bet a large portion of them, I'd say 95% or better consume animal products of some form. Pot meet kettle.
:yeah: This. When it comes to bears though, there is an enormous segment of the population that believes that bears have no food value, or that as hunters we do not keep the meat. It seems to be an accepted truth. Frankly, I believed that as a kid growing up as well. It took people I knew killing bears and eating the meat to realize what I was missing. Education on the food value is important. The general population despises trophy hunting. Most of them feel that population management is even a thin vail. Tying food value to something makes a big difference.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 15, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
Whats really sad is I bet a large portion of them, I'd say 95% or better consume animal products of some form. Pot meet kettle.
Not to mention even if they don't the most "organic" farming displaces and kills untold numbers of various animal species; then shipping it (and anything), driving to the store to get veggies, living and breathing, etc., etc.
Whole lotta Disney-based ideas regarding wildlife going on there.
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 15, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
Post by: Weatherby92 on February 15, 2022, 03:24:42 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 15, 2022, 03:28:38 PM
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 15, 2022, 03:30:07 PM
I can't find when the comment period ends. Anyone know?
It doesn't say but we shouldn't back down until they announce the date of the commission meeting that they will vote on spring bear
Post by: HillHound on February 15, 2022, 04:14:58 PM
Post by: HillHound on February 15, 2022, 04:17:34 PM
Post by: saylean on February 15, 2022, 10:26:44 PM
Post by: elkrack on February 16, 2022, 12:11:45 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 16, 2022, 12:19:23 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 16, 2022, 06:25:41 AM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 16, 2022, 06:28:53 AM
Proof of residency should be required for a comment to mean anything. Yes I realize some out of state hunters might be helping but the non hunting community will out blitz us any day. Just too many of them.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I agree. With that said, I just added it to another site, that would be a lot of out of state comments. Fight fire with fire.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 16, 2022, 06:35:03 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 16, 2022, 07:19:23 AM
Post by: Skillet on February 16, 2022, 07:33:17 AM
Bears could live exclusively on grass and berries, but they choose to kill and eat their prey to improve their chances of living. Are bears psychotic?
Wolves are well documented to occasionally just kill and not eat their prey. Are wolves psychotic?
Actually, I'm getting a picture here of who the psycho's really are...
Post by: 7mmfan on February 16, 2022, 07:35:49 AM
Post by: Stein on February 16, 2022, 07:36:58 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 16, 2022, 09:21:47 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 16, 2022, 09:48:37 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: saylean on February 16, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
Post by: harveymarv on February 16, 2022, 10:09:38 AM
It’s not about content it’s about volume. They basically count the comment as for, against or other.
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
:yeah:
i comment every day
Post by: 7mmfan on February 16, 2022, 10:11:25 AM
It’s not about content it’s about volume. They basically count the comment as for, against or other.
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
That's good to know. I'll step up the volume a bit.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 16, 2022, 11:25:29 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: cmiller85 on February 16, 2022, 11:47:50 AM
Quote
A sea lion once stole my salmon, right before I got it in the boat. But, it just as easily could have been a bear. Support.
Post by: Twispriver on February 16, 2022, 12:02:28 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on February 16, 2022, 12:03:58 PM
I'd hate to be the intern that was assigned scorekeeping duty :yike:
:chuckle: Hah. No doubt. I'm not sure why they don't just have a little radial button that is For or Against to go with your comment.
Post by: GASoline71 on February 16, 2022, 12:19:42 PM
It’s not about content it’s about volume. They basically count the comment as for, against or other.
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
:yeah:
i comment every day
I do too. I also go through https://www.howlforwildlife.org/ (https://www.howlforwildlife.org/) too... they make it super easy to send an email comment to a lot of issues throughout the country.
Gary
Post by: Stein on February 16, 2022, 02:22:53 PM
I'd hate to be the intern that was assigned scorekeeping duty :yike:
:chuckle: Hah. No doubt. I'm not sure why they don't just have a little radial button that is For or Against to go with your comment.
They are working on fixing that part of their website. Should be done next year. :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on February 16, 2022, 04:33:07 PM
It’s not about content it’s about volume. They basically count the comment as for, against or other.
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
:yeah:
i comment every day
I do too. I also go through howlforwildlife.org (http://howlforwildlife.org) too... they make it super easy to send an email comment to a lot of issues throughout the country.
Gary
Well then, if that's the case let's keep it going. Get your 10 per day minimum!
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102 (https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102)
Post by: Bullkllr on February 16, 2022, 07:24:34 PM
That link does not seem to work for me.It’s not about content it’s about volume. They basically count the comment as for, against or other.
So a simple; I support this rule or I support spring bear hunting is all that’s needed.
:yeah:
i comment every day
I do too. I also go through howlforwildlife.org (http://howlforwildlife.org) too... they make it super easy to send an email comment to a lot of issues throughout the country.
Gary
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear#newmode-embed-43508-45464 (https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw_comments_spring_bear#newmode-embed-43508-45464)
Post by: GASoline71 on February 17, 2022, 07:45:29 AM
That link does not seem to work for me.
Thanks for the heads up. I updated my post. :)
Gary
Post by: hunter399 on February 17, 2022, 08:16:01 AM
But my name always pops up when I comment.
Probably from other surveys,and comment stuff before.
Post by: dreamingbig on February 17, 2022, 09:37:18 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: saylean on February 17, 2022, 12:16:21 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on February 17, 2022, 12:25:10 PM
Post by: johnbmyersii on February 17, 2022, 02:23:22 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 17, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Some times I have an ash-hole . :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I'm gonna comment again ,just to make that guy day even better. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Weatherby92 on February 17, 2022, 02:36:03 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 17, 2022, 03:02:32 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 17, 2022, 03:03:47 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 17, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 17, 2022, 03:41:33 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 17, 2022, 04:06:44 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 17, 2022, 05:05:40 PM
Anyone know or guess what is with the icons next to each comment? I commented 2x fairly quickly and the same icon came up each time. Some kind of identifier?I'm guessing it's your individual tattoo. They will know how many individuals commented.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 18, 2022, 07:09:41 AM
Post by: hunter399 on February 18, 2022, 07:37:39 AM
Well, I feel like this comment page was just set up for all of us to vent and feel better. Unless something is going on here that I can't see, the commissioners made their decision and that is that. I have a hard time believing that my comment made any more effect on the commission than if I had stopped a homeless guy on the sidewalk and told him "I think we should re-open spring bear season." :dunno:Ya i have to agree ,sure seems that way doesn't it.
Post by: Stein on February 18, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
Well, I feel like this comment page was just set up for all of us to vent and feel better. Unless something is going on here that I can't see, the commissioners made their decision and that is that. I have a hard time believing that my comment made any more effect on the commission than if I had stopped a homeless guy on the sidewalk and told him "I think we should re-open spring bear season." :dunno:
Yeah, I think at best it gives them less cover to hide behind. They can't say they are responding to public comments, public sentiment or science. At the end of the day, they have little fear of hunter discontent.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 18, 2022, 08:37:52 AM
Well, I feel like this comment page was just set up for all of us to vent and feel better. Unless something is going on here that I can't see, the commissioners made their decision and that is that. I have a hard time believing that my comment made any more effect on the commission than if I had stopped a homeless guy on the sidewalk and told him "I think we should re-open spring bear season." :dunno:
Yeah, I think at best it gives them less cover to hide behind. They can't say they are responding to public comments, public sentiment or science. At the end of the day, they have little fear of hunter discontent.
Do you feel this is a stronger likelihood with this particular issue, or does that apply to any public input toward wdfw/commission? Not disagreeing, just curious.
Post by: Stein on February 18, 2022, 08:58:20 AM
For this issue, the outpouring of public opinion is much greater than normal and thus harder to ignore. It will be interesting because from what I have seen, there are only a couple of justifiable reasons to oppose it and hopefully WDFW has tightened up their data and record keeping to address that. Beyond that, it's all emotion. If WDFW can tighten up the position that it does not harm the population and is sustainable, I'm not sure where they can go.
The other question is whether that matters. Again, hunters aren't good at coming together in a big enough push to raise heck when nonsense happens.
The trend toward discounting and eventually demonizing the value of shooting animals to eat is underway in Olympia and the Department and this is a trend I'm not sure can be turned around. To me, it seems very different from fish because tons of people eat fish (commercially and recreationally caught) and it's not viable to want to shut it down. The same isn't true with hunting, only hunters and their friends eat deer and elk.
Post by: Twispriver on February 18, 2022, 09:17:52 AM
Post by: buckfvr on February 18, 2022, 10:51:13 AM
This issue may be one of a very few exceptions. I don't think wdfw likes to feel bullied by anyone/organization, and since they did not share (this time), the commission's decision, there may be a small opening for hope.
Post by: Chesapeake on February 19, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
If your going to do multiple comments use different devices for each.
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 19, 2022, 08:37:35 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 19, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
How do you comment without having your full name made public?:yeah: every time I post it shows my full name! :bash:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 19, 2022, 09:11:06 AM
How do you comment without having your full name made public?:yeah: every time I post it shows my full name! :bash:
Did you pick that choice on your first comment? It saves your name and adds it to the rest of your comments.
Post by: Yakirack on February 21, 2022, 08:57:40 AM
How do you comment without having your full name made public?:yeah: every time I post it shows my full name! :bash:
Use a different browser and don't click the link. Just open a different browser and google search for the web page.
At least that worked for me.
Post by: hunter399 on February 21, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
But I know WDFW will send an email to every---body.
No.............
Post by: saylean on February 22, 2022, 10:16:13 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 22, 2022, 10:19:03 AM
Man I'm praying for a draw this year,hoping a lot of people that spring bear is long forgot and don't put in . With short notice and all. I can slip through the cracks.
But I know WDFW will send an email to every---body.
No.............
With no points I like easy odds, but on the other hand a record turnout might make a statement too.
Post by: saylean on February 25, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Post by: Sneaky on February 25, 2022, 12:04:41 PM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
Post by: Rainier10 on February 25, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
Post by: Twispriver on February 25, 2022, 02:05:30 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 25, 2022, 04:03:59 PM
That's why the pelt check rule is nonsense. If sows with cubs of the year are important to count in the spring then they should be just as important to count in August and September. I know it's against the grain but the "science" of this whole business seems a bit lacking to me.
When was the last time Washington Managed anything based on science...? :rolleyes:
Post by: saylean on February 26, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
Post by: saylean on February 28, 2022, 01:36:42 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 28, 2022, 01:53:31 PM
Post by: Tbar on February 28, 2022, 02:06:29 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on February 28, 2022, 02:13:45 PM
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2022, 02:39:18 PM
Post by: high_hunter on February 28, 2022, 02:46:19 PM
-HH
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 28, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
If they revote, one of the no votes is gone and just need one of the two new commissioners to vote yes, or carpenter to change his mind again.
Post by: Platensek-po on February 28, 2022, 03:26:56 PM
Last vote was 4-4.
If they revote, one of the no votes is gone and just need one of the two new commissioners to vote yes, or carpenter to change his mind again.
Isn’t carpenter gone?
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 28, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: Tbar on March 01, 2022, 08:20:50 AM
Is he? I’m a couple months behind listening to meetings.Yes. He has been replaced by Tim Ragen.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/members
Post by: mburrows on March 01, 2022, 10:27:05 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 01, 2022, 10:47:30 AM
To view and submit comments on this proposal, please visit the Spring Black Bear rule making public engagement page.
You may also leave comments by sending an email, either with or without an attachment, to SpringBearPetition102@PublicInput.com or by leaving a voicemail message at 855-925-2801 and entering project code 6453.
Public comments will be accepted until the close of the comment period on March 12, 2022 at 11:59 pm
Post by: saylean on March 02, 2022, 12:24:52 AM
8am This Thursday morning is when you can sign up to speak during the public comment period for March 11th.
It’s imperative you sign up as quickly as possible as the antis will be trying to as well. We need numbers to voice support. Spread the word….8 am this Thursday sign up!
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 02, 2022, 09:08:38 AM
March 11 meeting correct?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 02, 2022, 09:11:58 AM
Which meeting date is for the Spring Black Bear public comment?
March 11 meeting correct?
March 11, 2022 Fish and Wildlife Commission Special Meeting Agenda
Fish and Wildlife Commission
Special Meeting Web Conference
March 11, 2022
8:00 AM - 12:00 PM
PDF Agenda
Via Zoom Web Conference
Watch on TVW
NOTE: Registration for public testimony starts March 3, 2022, at 8:00 A.M.
In order to testify, you must register here at or after that time.
A. Spring Bear Season Setting – Briefing, Public Hearing
Staff will provide the Commission with a briefing on the Spring bear season setting.
Staff Report: Stephanie Simek, PH.D. Carnivore, Furbearer, Game Bird Section Manager, Wildlife Program
Public Hearing – This Item Only
If you do not wish to testify at the meeting, but would still like to provide comment, you can submit them on the Spring Black Bear rule making public engagement page.
You may also leave comments by sending an email, either with or without an attachment, to SpringBearPetition102@PublicInput.com or by leaving a voicemail message at 855-925-2801 and entering project code 6453. Public comments will be accepted until the close of the comment period on March 12, 2022 at 11:59 pm.
*WHERE: This meeting will take place via Zoom. The link for the public to listen and provide comment is (https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83250377713)
To join via phone please choose a number below and then you’ll be prompted to enter the Webinar ID#: 832-5037-7713
1-312-626-6799 or 1-888-475-4499 (Toll Free)
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 02, 2022, 09:21:58 AM
Post by: saylean on March 02, 2022, 03:47:26 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Post by: Bullkllr on March 02, 2022, 07:08:28 PM
Post by: Special T on March 02, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
So, assuming we'll need to have the form filled out, then hit "submit" at 8:00 to have a chance. Sounds about like trying to get a Weyerhaueser permit.
Know that anti hunting forces will be out in force. We need to mobilize and take up as many slots as possible.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 02, 2022, 08:30:29 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 02, 2022, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: saylean on March 02, 2022, 09:08:17 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 02, 2022, 09:57:15 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 03, 2022, 05:18:58 AM
Bought my licence the other day and that includes a bear tag.WDFW better get BUSY cause now I'm expecting a spring bear season .
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 03, 2022, 06:45:57 AM
Do I need to sign up again tomorrow?
NOTE: Registration for public testimony starts March 3, 2022, at 8:00 A.M.
In order to testify, you must register here at or after that time.
Post by: HillHound on March 03, 2022, 07:42:30 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on March 03, 2022, 07:51:03 AM
I got the page all filled out just waiting to hit submit at 8 AM. Hopefully more of us can get in than all these crazy anti-hunters. Hopefully at least a couple hundred of us are doing the same thing I’m doing right now so we have a chance
Me too... Off chance there will be so many the server will probably crash.
Gary
Post by: HillHound on March 03, 2022, 07:52:25 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 03, 2022, 08:00:39 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 03, 2022, 08:01:20 AM
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 03, 2022, 08:06:23 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 03, 2022, 08:24:46 AM
Sign up tomorrow morning to speak at the meeting on the 11th. 8am tomorrow. Follow the link.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Sign up if you can.
Post by: GASoline71 on March 03, 2022, 08:25:16 AM
Gary
Post by: Bullkllr on March 03, 2022, 08:56:57 AM
Sign up tomorrow morning to speak at the meeting on the 11th. 8am tomorrow. Follow the link.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Sign up if you can.
Before "someone else" does!
Post by: Yakirack on March 03, 2022, 10:49:32 AM
Sign up if you can!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 03, 2022, 01:25:51 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 04, 2022, 09:02:11 AM
Anyone tried to sign up today? Curious if there are still spots open.
I'm of the opinion we desperately need to stay on this. The anti's clearly are. Even if you don't buy in 100% to the process, haven't we seen exactly what inactivity gets?
We all need to ask: What happens if we lose spring bear? Which one is the next domino?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 04, 2022, 09:06:52 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 04, 2022, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: saylean on March 04, 2022, 01:09:37 PM
Is it first in first up, or a raffle drawing?
It’s first in first up.
Post by: saylean on March 05, 2022, 10:58:53 AM
Post by: AKBowman on March 06, 2022, 08:46:41 AM
I was wondering if people could provide some basic points/arguments they are including in their comments. For example:
-Referencing Specific data/studies
-in field first person documentation
-timber damage
-conservation dollars
-historical harvest reports comparative to surrounding states
-population/overpopulation of bears
-escape cover/terrain
I know certain groups are watching so knowing we need to keep our cards a bit hidden but I’m looking to compose as strong an argument as possible for this.
Post by: Chesapeake on March 06, 2022, 09:48:47 AM
I would think talk of getting folks out with family to explore the backcountry. Harvesting good protein to feed family, spending time and money in smaller eastern Washington towns, the work and effort it takes to get a spring bear, how most hunters aren’t successful, but still very much enjoy the challenge, ect…
Basically the personal growth and enjoyment stuff they don’t put in a population survey.
Earlier No votes claimed social issues and not fair chase to pursue lethargic bears and orphaned cubs.
Post by: Platensek-po on March 06, 2022, 01:07:15 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 06, 2022, 01:22:19 PM
Antis are posting in force right now. Comment away and show support as this comment period is nearing the end
:yeah:
They are pretty much blowing it up right now.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 06, 2022, 01:55:57 PM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102 (https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102)
Post by: pickardjw on March 06, 2022, 03:29:12 PM
Post by: 87Ford on March 06, 2022, 03:32:05 PM
Post by: TRD1911 on March 06, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 07, 2022, 05:53:20 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on March 07, 2022, 08:44:34 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 07, 2022, 08:51:44 AM
Got a comment in and recruited a few others to do so as well. Bump this to the top.:yeah:
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102 (https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102)
Post by: buckfvr on March 07, 2022, 09:19:15 AM
These guys :bash:
Many of these people are rolling how theyre told to roll and buying into all the lies and deceit. Folks that believe everything theyre told and are incapable of free thought. Theyre too stupid to have a voice and a vote. :twocents:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 07, 2022, 10:42:56 AM
Post by: pickardjw on March 07, 2022, 10:49:49 AM
Post by: salish on March 07, 2022, 11:29:02 AM
Post by: Dysfunctional Vet on March 07, 2022, 11:32:12 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 07, 2022, 11:35:54 AM
I know I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for sorting through this mess.
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102 (https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102)
Post by: Rob on March 07, 2022, 12:22:30 PM
But I must say after reading all the anti-hunters comments, this has to be the dumbest way to for an agency to gauge public opinion to make a policy decision I have seen.
Repetitive comments from the same people, no way to gauge if support is from the local constituency or not, and I am not even going to start on the moronic comments...
Talk about a dumpster fire.
Post by: Special T on March 07, 2022, 12:24:46 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 07, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
To perfectly clear - I fully support everyone on this site logging in and providing supporting comments for Spring bear....
But I must say after reading all the anti-hunters comments, this has to be the dumbest way to for an agency to gauge public opinion to make a policy decision I have seen.
Repetitive comments from the same people, no way to gauge if support is from the local constituency or not, and I am not even going to start on the moronic comments...
Talk about a dumpster fire.
:yeah: Hopefully they cut their on throat with all the ludicrous and offensive tirades. Appears the Anti's have gone Global on us. :dunno: :bash:
Post by: Stein on March 07, 2022, 03:24:31 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 07, 2022, 03:43:13 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 07, 2022, 03:56:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 07, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
Post by: Yakirack on March 07, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
What day do the vote on this?
March 18th I believe.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 07, 2022, 04:55:07 PM
Post by: Rob on March 07, 2022, 06:46:15 PM
I wouldn’t try to discourage anyone from commenting, it is important to get our voices heard. I do think the commissioners already have their minds made up.
Not trying to discourage anyone, as my openi g comment stated. Just commented on how ridiculous this process is.
For the record I commented as well (pro hunt of course)
Post by: Bullkllr on March 07, 2022, 07:05:13 PM
Post by: Tbar on March 07, 2022, 08:01:30 PM
I wouldn’t try to discourage anyone from commenting, it is important to get our voices heard. I do think the commissioners already have their minds made up.Since you seem to know all about the commission, what might their decision be? Please share!
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 07, 2022, 08:07:23 PM
If they vote, I think they will vote to have a season.I wouldn’t try to discourage anyone from commenting, it is important to get our voices heard. I do think the commissioners already have their minds made up.Since you seem to know all about the commission, what might their decision be? Please share!
Post by: Tbar on March 07, 2022, 08:08:14 PM
I hope so! :tup:If they vote, I think they will vote to have a season.I wouldn’t try to discourage anyone from commenting, it is important to get our voices heard. I do think the commissioners already have their minds made up.Since you seem to know all about the commission, what might their decision be? Please share!
Post by: Rob on March 07, 2022, 08:21:58 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 07, 2022, 09:24:05 PM
I hope so too....I hope so! :tup:If they vote, I think they will vote to have a season.I wouldn’t try to discourage anyone from commenting, it is important to get our voices heard. I do think the commissioners already have their minds made up.Since you seem to know all about the commission, what might their decision be? Please share!
I was my WDFW account the other day ,just looking to see if there was a loop hole to buy my permit anyway.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 07, 2022, 09:28:08 PM
There’s no way in hell we get a spring bear season. I got the intel from Shaniqua and she don’t lie.
Post by: AppyMtnBoy on March 08, 2022, 06:11:38 AM
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2022, 07:20:26 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 08, 2022, 08:24:54 AM
Murder? Good grief
:yeah: :bash: I tried to clarify it for them this morning. They don't even understand the meaning of the word. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 08, 2022, 09:50:58 AM
Please stick to the science and not popular opinion. Only 3 % of Washington residents hunt. Asking for public comments then using these numbers of for vs against to justify removing hunting opportunities. Is just a shell game. Numbers don't lie. In the 2021 Spring season just one of 145 bears taken in the 2021 spring bear hunt was shown to be a lactating female. Other studies point to about a 2-percent cub mortality due to hunting.
Hunters are knowledgeable in the quarry they hunt, and have been taught how to distinguish boar from sows. The scientific facts and fish and wildlife department biologist both back the hunt.
Management of our states natural resources should not be be dictated by prioritized emotion over science.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 08, 2022, 10:25:09 AM
:tup:
Post by: Mtnwalker on March 08, 2022, 10:32:50 AM
Post by: Tbar on March 08, 2022, 10:42:49 AM
This was mineGreat comment and welcome back! I'm more than a little worried about the issue and see it as a canary.
Please stick to the science and not popular opinion. Only 3 % of Washington residents hunt. Asking for public comments then using these numbers of for vs against to justify removing hunting opportunities. Is just a shell game. Numbers don't lie. In the 2021 Spring season just one of 145 bears taken in the 2021 spring bear hunt was shown to be a lactating female. Other studies point to about a 2-percent cub mortality due to hunting.
Hunters are knowledgeable in the quarry they hunt, and have been taught how to distinguish boar from sows. The scientific facts and fish and wildlife department biologist both back the hunt.
Management of our states natural resources should not be be dictated by prioritized emotion over science.
Post by: ChasingTurkeys on March 08, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
Post by: tyfghter on March 08, 2022, 02:01:39 PM
This was mine
Please stick to the science and not popular opinion. Only 3 % of Washington residents hunt. Asking for public comments then using these numbers of for vs against to justify removing hunting opportunities. Is just a shell game. Numbers don't lie. In the 2021 Spring season just one of 145 bears taken in the 2021 spring bear hunt was shown to be a lactating female. Other studies point to about a 2-percent cub mortality due to hunting.
Hunters are knowledgeable in the quarry they hunt, and have been taught how to distinguish boar from sows. The scientific facts and fish and wildlife department biologist both back the hunt.
Management of our states natural resources should not be be dictated by prioritized emotion over science.
Great comment! Wish I was this articulate
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 08, 2022, 02:32:23 PM
Keep it up!
Post by: Chesapeake on March 08, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
This was mine
Please stick to the science and not popular opinion. Only 3 % of Washington residents hunt. Asking for public comments then using these numbers of for vs against to justify removing hunting opportunities. Is just a shell game. Numbers don't lie. In the 2021 Spring season just one of 145 bears taken in the 2021 spring bear hunt was shown to be a lactating female. Other studies point to about a 2-percent cub mortality due to hunting.
Hunters are knowledgeable in the quarry they hunt, and have been taught how to distinguish boar from sows. The scientific facts and fish and wildlife department biologist both back the hunt.
Management of our states natural resources should not be be dictated by prioritized emotion over science.
From the Nov. 15 2021 meeting minutes. (took a bit of looking to find)
Response: Hunters are being selective in their harvest and not randomly taking bears. This was
evident through the mandatory harvest inspection during the spring 2021 special permit hunts.
Those data show 46 females harvested, and one was lactating.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 08, 2022, 05:50:52 PM
Post by: saylean on March 08, 2022, 07:31:07 PM
Some supporters are getting a bit frustrated reading the other comments, I think:
You’re welcome.
😂😂
Post by: saylean on March 08, 2022, 07:32:54 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 08, 2022, 07:45:16 PM
Living in rural NE Washington I support the spring bear season. For those who think this is cruel. You should witness what the carnage that a bear does to a newborn deer, elk or range cow.
:hello:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 09, 2022, 06:08:28 AM
Post by: Rob on March 09, 2022, 06:18:46 AM
Here is a Lawsuit to establish Elephants as people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/lawsuit-to-declare-elephant-a-person/
This is how crazy they are, and how they jump to conclusions like "hunting is murder"
Of course this is in NY and I think the average elephant is more human and more intelligent than the average New Yorker.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2022, 06:49:54 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 09, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
Post by: bracer40 on March 09, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 09, 2022, 11:51:04 AM
Post by: Stein on March 09, 2022, 12:47:45 PM
Post by: elkrack on March 09, 2022, 12:56:35 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2022, 12:59:22 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2022, 02:38:50 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2022, 03:00:59 PM
210 instances of the word "murder"
341 instances of the word "trophy"
309 instances of the word "sport"
106 instances of the word "slaughter"
44 instances of people "vehemently" opposed
38 instances of the word "psychopath" (these are real colorful ones)
Post by: TRD1911 on March 09, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 09, 2022, 04:07:47 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on March 09, 2022, 10:05:47 PM
California cougar is a great long term study of this. Used to be hunters hunted and still contractors were needed, and now since 1990 it’s all just contractors and damage permits. But still 200 to 300 California cougars get killed on average each year. The activists didn’t stop any cougars from getting killed, they just stopped joe hunter who wanted to eat them from participating.
Why have hunters pay to hunt when you can just have taxpayers pay contractors to kill them.
But I guess we have to remember these folks also think the government hands out free money and will take care of us all.
Even the commission members ask questions along these lines; is there scientific evidence the spring hunts reduce tree damage, does the population data show the spring hunt isn’t a detriment to the population, ect… All seemingly reasonable questions till you consider these folks have the data right in front of them that shows for decades these hunts have taken place, and each year APHIS and other outfits are brought in to remove hundreds of bears, using dogs, bait, and traps.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on March 09, 2022, 10:18:41 PM
These folks seem completely ignorant to the reality of wildlife management. They think if they stop hunters from hunting the animals get to live free. As if the government won’t just contract out the killing to APHIS and other similar outfits. Even with hunting seasons ongoing they still hire contractors for removal.:yeah:
California cougar is a great long term study of this. Used to be hunters hunted and still contractors were needed, and now since 1990 it’s all just contractors and damage permits. But still 200 to 300 California cougars get killed on average each year. The activists didn’t stop any cougars from getting killed, they just stopped joe hunter who wanted to eat them from participating.
Why have hunters pay to hunt when you can just have taxpayers pay contractors to kill them.
But I guess we have to remember these folks also think the government hands out free money and will take care of us all.
Even the commission members ask questions along these lines; is there scientific evidence the spring hunts reduce tree damage, does the population data show the spring hunt isn’t a detriment to the population, ect… All seemingly reasonable questions till you consider these folks have the data right in front of them that shows for decades these hunts have taken place, and each year APHIS and other outfits are brought in to remove hundreds of bears, using dogs, bait, and traps.
I call them “predator starvationists”. Completely unethical.
Post by: Sneaky on March 10, 2022, 05:13:41 AM
At the rate they are commenting, this is going to look pretty one sided against the hunt if we don't step it up. I must have commented 20 times going back and forth with the same person. He or she was copying the language of my comment and replacing support with oppose. They are clearly stepping it up so we should do the same.
Post by: Chesapeake on March 10, 2022, 06:39:10 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 10, 2022, 06:56:36 AM
I’m still firmly of the opinion the system is set to remove (or at least identify) repeat comments.
I agree. And I don't see how a lot of them can have any merit. I have seen a handful of inappropriate comments/language on the 'Yes' side.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 10, 2022, 07:38:36 AM
I’m still firmly of the opinion the system is set to remove (or at least identify) repeat comments.
I agree. And I don't see how a lot of them can have any merit. I have seen a handful of inappropriate comments/language on the 'Yes' side.
It has to be; otherwise it's simply a ridiculous mess.
Post by: HillHound on March 10, 2022, 07:44:07 AM
Post by: hunter399 on March 10, 2022, 07:46:09 AM
Getting ready to call in as one of the hundred people today on the meeting. If these kind of bad *censored* crazy comments are allowed to be stated on this I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to continue listening once I am done with my portion. Hopefully they have the mute button on hand for when they start slinging names and death threats against all the hunters. But I suppose that will just undermine there position even more if they do go that routeThat meeting is today,are they gonna vote or approve or what is the exact agenda planed for the meeting.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 10, 2022, 07:56:54 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 10, 2022, 08:05:20 AM
Post by: AppyMtnBoy on March 10, 2022, 10:28:12 AM
Post by: pickardjw on March 10, 2022, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: Wphunt on March 10, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
see you tomorrow
Post by: Bullkllr on March 10, 2022, 11:42:49 AM
I looked back a few pages but didn't see it posted here. Did others see or hear the Western Huntsman podcast that commissioner Jim Anderson was on? I think it is a good listen when preparing your comments for tomorrow. Basically Anderson says to focus comments on hunting culture, why hunting is important to you, how hunting is part of you and your family and that kind of thing. The commission has seen the numbers and science. They need to see rational, passionate conservationists that support the spring bear hunt. We need to tell them why this hunt and hunting in general is so important to us. The anti's are attacking something they don't understand and they will make that obvious. Make your position and passion clear in your comments.Good ideas :tup:
see you tomorrow
It was in another thread:https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,269007.0.html (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,269007.0.html)
But here it is: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ)
Post by: Tbar on March 10, 2022, 11:56:18 AM
I'm glad you and saylean don't need want help from volatile guys like me! I am glad some folks are pushing back on the VICIOUS attacks on consumptive use. BTW I also believe you've linked your own examples.Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples.Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count. I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent. I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals. If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted. You seem to be well versed so guide us. You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons.
If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.
Unsurprisingly, not an effective message if the goal is to change my opinion. No I did not listen to those. If the anti's are cussing Commissioners out and calling them names then good. I only see that as detrimental to their cause. I have yet to see an example of that in writing that can be compared to the one I posted.
I thought the goal was to show support for the Spring Bear season with these comments and potentially sway the opinion of the new Commissioners or the other No votes. But if the goal is to vent anger and frustration and insult the people that we're trying to get on our side then it seems appropriate.
Post by: Tbar on March 10, 2022, 11:57:40 AM
I don't care if they can parse out duplicate comments or comments by IP address. I can't stand seeing all the anti comments stack up...I thought they were smart?
Post by: Tbar on March 10, 2022, 12:08:30 PM
@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take. I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal. And have made inroads with the commission. This will be an uphill battle for sure.Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see :bash:Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times. People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out. Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 10, 2022, 01:06:15 PM
I looked back a few pages but didn't see it posted here. Did others see or hear the Western Huntsman podcast that commissioner Jim Anderson was on? I think it is a good listen when preparing your comments for tomorrow. Basically Anderson says to focus comments on hunting culture, why hunting is important to you, how hunting is part of you and your family and that kind of thing. The commission has seen the numbers and science. They need to see rational, passionate conservationists that support the spring bear hunt. We need to tell them why this hunt and hunting in general is so important to us. The anti's are attacking something they don't understand and they will make that obvious. Make your position and passion clear in your comments.Good ideas :tup:
see you tomorrow
It was in another thread:https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,269007.0.html (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,269007.0.html)
But here it is: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ)
The advice from Anderson to those commenting starts around 30:00 btw.
Post by: Chesapeake on March 10, 2022, 03:32:16 PM
@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take. I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal. And have made inroads with the commission. This will be an uphill battle for sure.Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see :bash:Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times. People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out. Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.
Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?
Pretty certain in the context of this conversation AR would be "Animal Rights Activists".
Post by: Tbar on March 10, 2022, 04:53:16 PM
You're a know all so please let me know.@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take. I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal. And have made inroads with the commission. This will be an uphill battle for sure.Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see :bash:Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times. People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out. Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?
Oh, about the "anti's don't make comments like these" part? Like directly calling the Commissioners morons? Which none of the anti comments I posted are doing. They're just verbally abusive comments directed towards hunters. Probably not effective in a similar way though. I presume you think this comment is appropriate and will sway our three new Commissioners to vote in support of the season?
Post by: ganghis on March 10, 2022, 05:52:16 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/was-controversial-spring-black-bear-hunt-could-be-revived-heres-how/
Not entirely one sided (I like that she reports the actual number of lactating sows harvested), but the overall tone seemed to go towards the antis (esp the Koontz interview). Guessing there will be a last minute comment push for the 'anti' side.
Post by: Tbar on March 10, 2022, 06:20:55 PM
Ooof, just saw thisI feel like it could have been much worse especially considering the timing.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/was-controversial-spring-black-bear-hunt-could-be-revived-heres-how/
Not entirely one sided (I like that she reports the actual number of lactating sows harvested), but the overall tone seemed to go towards the antis (esp the Koontz interview). Guessing there will be a last minute comment push for the 'anti' side.
Post by: pickardjw on March 10, 2022, 08:59:37 PM
You're a know all so please let me know.@pickardjw seems you've changed your tune on the approach the AR folks take. I will say it's frustrating when people are in the trenches daily and you castigate with a bit of inexperience and enthusiasm. The AR folks are passionate and brutal. And have made inroads with the commission. This will be an uphill battle for sure.Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see :bash:Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times. People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out. Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state.
Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.Who are "AR" folks and how has "my tune" changed?
Oh, about the "anti's don't make comments like these" part? Like directly calling the Commissioners morons? Which none of the anti comments I posted are doing. They're just verbally abusive comments directed towards hunters. Probably not effective in a similar way though. I presume you think this comment is appropriate and will sway our three new Commissioners to vote in support of the season?
Lol okay. Not gonna feed the troll anymore. Looks like the mods even took down the post with that screenshot because their comment was so inappropriate (and it was made by a "pro-hunter" btw)
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 11, 2022, 04:03:04 AM
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.
Post by: hunter399 on March 11, 2022, 05:38:27 AM
This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.
Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 11, 2022, 06:11:29 AM
This whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.
Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.
I usually buy mine between Christmas and February. Waiting for the spring bear application to show this year. Haven't even bought MS permit applications yet.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 11, 2022, 06:58:33 AM
Do we really want to watch this go down without doing what we can to save it? I've never hunted spring bear; I'm just trying to support those who might. It's another domino, folks; let's not just watch it fall.
I encourage everyone to listen to the podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90aGV3ZXN0ZXJuaHVudHNtYW4ubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M/episode/NjAyNjJlYWYtMmFhZi00MzMwLTkyOGEtZWE0NGFhMWUxNTBi?sa=X&ved=0CAYQkfYCahcKEwiY_bjr_7L2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ)
Post by: Chesapeake on March 11, 2022, 07:32:32 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 11, 2022, 07:53:31 AM
:yeah: Same here. Usually would’ve bought them long ago but still waiting to see what happens with the spring bear applicationThis whole this is the most ridiculous spectacle I’ve ever seen in the fishing and hunting arena. People text-commenting every 2 seconds from across the globe and I venture to guess there are 10-20 thousand people who signed up for public comment. I’m sure somewhere on some chat room in France there is a thread titled “Washington hunters kill thousands of mama bears” or some such.
I am not sure how this will get better.
Oh good God almighty if they say they’re only gonna allow Wild ID holders to publicly comment….you should see the comments on that, let alone the lawsuits.
This is the way of America now and much of the world as well and as I said I don’t know how it will get better.
One can easily see how people/hunters would stop following the regulations on this and some never have when it comes to predators and I won’t publicly state my opinion on that.
I wish you folks all the best but I’m about to check out completely on almost all things “you can make a difference”, not because I don’t care but because of the whole farce.
I’m out.
Ya it's pretty stupid ,these public comment has always been a feel good thing for hunters or anti-hunters to feel like there comment made a difference in a decision that's already been made. My name always pops up when I comment ,so I have commented a few times .But feel it's strange to comment a 1000 times with my name there for every anti-hunter to see.
I do believe they need to work on something to keep the non-resident out of the comments. If you don't live in Washington we definitely don't need those comments.
I gave up on the Commission long time ago ,and although I do like to stay informed,and will send an email to them a once a year or something. For the most part,we are screwed.
I do still give my full support in dollars to WDFW just bought Hunting/Fishing and some of my other permits ,So if you look at it that way .
I'm sure WDFW has noticed a decrease in license sales through this whole spring bear ordeal ,most guys and gals buy early for this hunt.
I usually buy mine between Christmas and February. Waiting for the spring bear application to show this year. Haven't even bought MS permit applications yet.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 08:06:27 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 11, 2022, 09:14:22 AM
Post by: pickardjw on March 11, 2022, 09:25:22 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 11, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 11, 2022, 09:45:54 AM
Post by: Yakirack on March 11, 2022, 09:49:59 AM
I liked the opening comments so far...Beau, Steve... :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 11, 2022, 09:59:30 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 09:59:47 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
Can you guys please post the link?(https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83250377713)
Post by: MtnMuley on March 11, 2022, 10:01:14 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on March 11, 2022, 10:19:21 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 11, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Great comments! :tup:
Post by: Yakirack on March 11, 2022, 10:54:04 AM
:tup:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 11, 2022, 11:05:50 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 11, 2022, 11:08:18 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Wphunt on March 11, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
Commissioner’s Simeks background tells you how her vote is going.She is the bear biologist and supports the hunt.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: dreamingbig on March 11, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: dreamingbig on March 11, 2022, 11:10:43 AM
My bad! I missed the start.Commissioner’s Simeks background tells you how her vote is going.She is the bear biologist and supports the hunt.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 11:11:55 AM
Post by: Weatherby92 on March 11, 2022, 11:13:12 AM
this is more of a thought out loud.
And yes I've commented with this thought process on the petition page.
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 11:27:16 AM
Post by: Wphunt on March 11, 2022, 11:43:35 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 11:44:56 AM
Damn, looks like I won't get to comment. I signed up to comment an hour after they opened registration too. We shouldn't have to say our position when registering.I doubt they will get to me as well.
Post by: Yakirack on March 11, 2022, 11:51:55 AM
What a slap in the face to Stephanie Simek if the commissioners do not trust her data!
She did a solid presentation!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 11:54:00 AM
The Pros far outweigh the cons today.:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
What a slap in the face to Stephanie Simek if the commissioners do not trust her data!
She did a solid presentation!
Post by: HillHound on March 11, 2022, 11:54:22 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 11, 2022, 11:57:14 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 11, 2022, 11:59:37 AM
Same one who said, "And how many are using live animals as bait?"
That's plain made-up
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 12:02:11 PM
Post by: Weatherby92 on March 11, 2022, 12:11:00 PM
Don McIsaac is awesome.
:yeah: He really is.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 11, 2022, 12:12:34 PM
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 11, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 12:18:17 PM
Post by: bullfever on March 11, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
Same. I really hope we're wrong.
Post by: Wunderlich33 on March 11, 2022, 12:22:55 PM
Post by: pickardjw on March 11, 2022, 12:24:14 PM
After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
Post by: Platensek-po on March 11, 2022, 12:27:34 PM
When will we find out about their decision?
Next week is the vote
Post by: Platensek-po on March 11, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 11, 2022, 12:54:22 PM
After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
I believe Lemkuhl asked, "Why do we hunt bears in the spring and not other species?" and he added, "It seems like a double-standard."
I know how I would answer that question, but I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions. It's still possible to get some directed emails in before the cut-off, fwiw.
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 01:00:17 PM
Every species has specific hunting dates based on a multitude of factors and hunting occurs 12 months a year for some species. Why would we think that bear seasons and duck seasons should be the exact same?
Post by: Platensek-po on March 11, 2022, 01:01:04 PM
After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
I believe Lemkuhl asked, "Why do we hunt bears in the spring and not other species?" and he added, "It seems like a double-standard."
I know how I would answer that question, but I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions. It's still possible to get some directed emails in before the cut-off, fwiw.
We hunt plenty of other animals in the spring. Raccoon, rabbit cougar etc are hunted through March. We don’t hunt ungulates in the spring because of how we determine take. Pretty hard to harvest a 3pt buck I’m when it doesn’t have its antlers yet. We also hunt bears in the spring to increase pressure on them and to up the possibility of take. Bears also rut in the spring while ungulates rut in the fall.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 11, 2022, 01:18:01 PM
I have a busy afternoon, but I'll fire off an email tonight to Lehmkuhl and the others using some of those ideas.
I'd encourage others to do the same.
Timothy.Ragen@dfw.wa.gov Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov Barbara.Baker@dfw.wa.gov Melanie.Rowland@dfw.wa.gov Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov Lorna.Smith@dfw.wa.gov John.Lehmkuhl@dfw.wa.gov
Another point I haven't heard a lot about in this process is how if sport harvest has gone up, at the same time the depredation hunt numbers have gone way down since 2019 I believe since the timber companies can no longer use bait/hounds.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 11, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
So the spring bear webinar just ended. I was signed up to speak but you didn't get to me.
I am a master hunter, a hunter education instructor and a large land owner.
I think it is important to note that the spring bear hunt was not voted down at the last meeting. It was left undecided because a tie vote.
I also believe the reason there has been a spring bear hunt in the past is because the population can sustain the hunt. Commissioner Lehmkuhl had asked that question and questioned why we don't hunt other animals in the spring. We don't hunt deer and elk in the spring because their population can't sustain that hunt. Seasons for ungulates get adjusted shorter and longer, permits raised and lowered as the population allows. Since banning baiting in 1996 bear populations have increased allowing more hunting of bears, two tags are now authorized in this state because of the increased number of bears. Taking away the spring bear hunt will just have the population increase again and create more human/bear conflicts. Allowing the spring hunt will help manage the number of bears at a sustainable level that provides recreation while keeping a balanced ecosystem.
I mentioned that I teach hunter education. We have 10-20 students a month, 8 months out of the year take our class where I teach. There are many other classes throughout the state but just at the facility I teach at we teach up to 160 students a year every year. At that class on our field course we discuss at length bear hunting and the importance of taking your time to verify that there are no cubs in the area. Number for safety, you don't want to find yourself in between a mother and her cubs. Number two for the ethics of it. A cub stays with it's mother for two years it is important to not shoot a mother with cubs. Most of our hunters won't be spring bear hunting, they will be hunting August to November and cubs are still dependent on their mothers for that entire season.
It was mentioned in the meeting that spring bear hunting only benefits a very small number of hunters. If you listened to the comments many of the hunters put in for 8 years prior to drawing a permit. That means that there are far more hunters getting benefit out of the spring hunt. It's a hope and a dream for thousands of applicants each year waiting to hear if they are one of the lucky 600 permit winners.
I will say that spring is a great time to see multiple bears and ensure that you are taking a mature boar and not a sow or a sow with cubs. Hunters want to see a healthy sustainable bear population, harvesting a sow with cubs is detrimental to their hunting future.
One should note that more cubs are actually killed by mature boars looking to maintain territory and bring a sow back into heat. As humans continue to encroach on our wild spaces that leaves less habitat for bears. That means bears are left to take out their young or the younger immature bears end up in suburban areas causing human conflict. None of this is good for the bears or a pleasant ending at all.
Our deer and elk populations are hurting do to predation by bears and cougars. I own two square miles of deer and elk winter range. That range becomes spring nursery range for deer and elk. It is sage brush and every spring I end with 5-8 different bears on game camera in that sage brush because that is where the elk are calving. It is decimating the elk herd. Bears need to be kept in check to maintain a healthy sustainable amount of ALL wildlife.
The number one obstacle facing our wildlife populations today is loss of habitat. It is important to manage our game animal numbers so that they don't damage the habitat that is left or cause human conflict.
I strongly urge you to bring back the spring bear season.
Post by: hunter399 on March 11, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
They dragging there feet or what.When will we find out about their decision?
Next week is the vote
This is an ongoing topic that all info should be in.
Make a decision so we can move on ,if we are not bear hunting or what.
Post by: saylean on March 11, 2022, 01:33:11 PM
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2022, 01:53:20 PM
I was kind of thinking Lehmkuhl might be leaning our direction until the statements after the public testimony.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 11, 2022, 02:00:53 PM
same here. His closing comments were strange and definitely have me concerned.After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 02:05:29 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 11, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
In response to his comments about why hunt bears in spring when we don't hunt deer/elk in the spring...well, areas with struggling elk recruitment (blue mountains) spring is a great time for bear season as the spring bear hunts remove large predators at the time elk calves are most vulnerable to bears (late spring and early summer). In this sense, it is one of the very few management tools the Department has to address conservation of another species.same here. His closing comments were strange and definitely have me concerned.After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
Hopefully he can still be reasoned with. I fear when Inslee appointed these 3 it was conditioned on not supporting spring bear hunts. There is no hope for Rowland or Ragen, but I really hope Lehmkuhl can listen and vote with reasoned logic.
Post by: Pac_NW on March 11, 2022, 03:13:00 PM
In response to his comments about why hunt bears in spring when we don't hunt deer/elk in the spring...well, areas with struggling elk recruitment (blue mountains) spring is a great time for bear season as the spring bear hunts remove large predators at the time elk calves are most vulnerable to bears (late spring and early summer). In this sense, it is one of the very few management tools the Department has to address conservation of another species.same here. His closing comments were strange and definitely have me concerned.After hearing Lemkhul(?) speak I'm afraid this is going to be lost...I had hopes he would be the pivotal 5th vote, but I fear after what he said he is going to vote to cancel this hunt.
That was the feeling I got from his final comment as well. Missed some of the post-public input comments but it sounded like there was some information out there that Ragan was requesting that they were going to provide to answer some of his questions on population trends?
Hopefully he can still be reasoned with. I fear when Inslee appointed these 3 it was conditioned on not supporting spring bear hunts. There is no hope for Rowland or Ragen, but I really hope Lehmkuhl can listen and vote with reasoned logic.
He also said we don't hunt any other animals in spring... but I am pretty sure turkey and small game including coyote and cougar are still open. With that said we probably SHOULD be hunting predators during the spring in which our ungulates are susceptible to attack.
Post by: Chesapeake on March 11, 2022, 06:45:41 PM
Plus, for bears that eat fish and carrion as a diet staple in the fall, the meat is better in the spring.
Post by: big buck hunter on March 11, 2022, 10:11:03 PM
I recall some of the very points that prior posters on this thread have made for why we hunt bear in the spring made by the bio's during previous meetings. Hopefully the new members abstain from voting due to a lack of knowledge on the subject. Smith and Baker are No's. Linnville, Anderson and Thorburn are Yes's. I believe McIsaac was a Yes. If he's a Yes and the 3 new members don't vote we got a chance.
Post by: Special T on March 11, 2022, 10:22:02 PM
I belive we are in for a fight. I hope folks are willing to dig deal and stay engaged. The recent comments were a good show of organization and force. We will need to keep up the pressure.
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 11:38:59 PM
Post by: dwtraut7 on March 11, 2022, 11:41:59 PM
I don't think you need too expensive of a crystal ball to predict what way Inslee's appointees are likely to lean. I'm going way out on a limb here assuming he didn't spend a bunch of time worrying about how he can find just the right people to balance all the interests and create a commission that will thoughtfully arrive at mutually beneficial outcomes.
That’s how I felt about it prior to this meeting and certainly felt so after listening.
Post by: Special T on March 12, 2022, 12:38:38 AM
I don't think you need too expensive of a crystal ball to predict what way Inslee's appointees are likely to lean. I'm going way out on a limb here assuming he didn't spend a bunch of time worrying about how he can find just the right people to balance all the interests and create a commission that will thoughtfully arrive at mutually beneficial outcomes.
That’s how I felt about it prior to this meeting and certainly felt so after listening.
I do not disagree, however they are on the commission andntheynget a vote even If We disagree. . Fact. Sportsmen are playing checkers they atenplaying chess. Sportsmen are just starting to figure out thenrukes to the game are not as advertized.
Post by: HillHound on March 12, 2022, 05:26:22 AM
They may have a scientific background, but did anyone actually present data showing that bears are on the decline in the areas proposed for spring hunting? I heard global warming, touchy feely stuff, fairness, ethics, whatever, but any actual data? I only listened to part.Their data was When they park at the trailhead with 40 other cars and go crunching on their granola all they way down the trail reeking of bug spray and new REI gear they aren’t seeing any bears…. And that’s our fault apparently.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 12, 2022, 07:36:33 AM
Listening to other follow up comments, the deck is definitely stacked. Smith was only concerned about the people who didn't get to comment? She might as well have said, "All the pro predator/anti-hunter people from my organization signed up and didn't get to speak". Ragen the "sealion guru" is a lost cause. Rowland is an ESA attorney.
I was also a little dismayed that they shot down the idea of spring bear being a "canary in the coalmine" or domino issue -when to me it clearly is- or that it is likely to ever be reinstated- but I guess that's to be expected. They can't honestly believe this doesn't have anything to do with other hunting now and future. They know exactly what it is, and most will get the result they wanted.
"Welcome to Washington State: where we'd really like to ban hunting- but doing that all at once would get some backlash- and we do like the money the licenses bring in- so we'll just breed so many protected predators that there's nothing left for you to actually hunt" :tung:
Post by: Tbar on March 12, 2022, 08:39:29 AM
Very good points about the direction of the Commission in general and Lehmkuhl in particular. There is no reasonable explanation for anyone with his supposed background to appear so clueless.:yeah:
Listening to other follow up comments, the deck is definitely stacked. Smith was only concerned about the people who didn't get to comment? She might as well have said, "All the pro predator/anti-hunter people from my organization signed up and didn't get to speak". Ragen the "sealion guru" is a lost cause. Rowland is an ESA attorney.
I was also a little dismayed that they shot down the idea of spring bear being a "canary in the coalmine" or domino issue -when to me it clearly is- or that it is likely to ever be reinstated- but I guess that's to be expected. They can't honestly believe this doesn't have anything to do with other hunting now and future. They know exactly what it is, and most will get the result they wanted.
"Welcome to Washington State: where we'd really like to ban hunting- but that would get some backlash- and we do like the money the licenses bring in- so we'll just breed so many protected predators that there's nothing left to actually hunt" :tung:
I believe they say it's not a canary because it's an agenda :bash:. There's no alarm if you want the bird and miners to die. They want to protect large carnivores at all cost "not anti hunting" :bash:. The injection of marine mammal framework was extremely troubling as well. They are flipping the script on scientific management and reaching, mmpa was blanket protection. The agenda will be promoted in the name of science and consumptive users will be largely discounted/disregarded.
Post by: hunter399 on March 12, 2022, 08:51:46 AM
Very good points about the direction of the Commission in general and Lehmkuhl in particular. There is no reasonable explanation for anyone with his supposed background to appear so clueless.That last part there is so funny ,cause it's so true.
Listening to other follow up comments, the deck is definitely stacked. Smith was only concerned about the people who didn't get to comment? She might as well have said, "All the pro predator/anti-hunter people from my organization signed up and didn't get to speak". Ragen the "sealion guru" is a lost cause. Rowland is an ESA attorney.
I was also a little dismayed that they shot down the idea of spring bear being a "canary in the coalmine" or domino issue -when to me it clearly is- or that it is likely to ever be reinstated- but I guess that's to be expected. They can't honestly believe this doesn't have anything to do with other hunting now and future. They know exactly what it is, and most will get the result they wanted.
"Welcome to Washington State: where we'd really like to ban hunting- but that would get some backlash- and we do like the money the licenses bring in- so we'll just breed so many protected predators that there's nothing left to actually hunt" :tung:
It's a crying shame that Fishermen and hunter can't seem to combine our voice. Fishing is where the money pit is.
They sell more fishing licences and make more money ,than hunting licences ,permits,ect.
Them Communist anti-hunters that are commented,they want to end all hunting and has very little to do with spring bear.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 12, 2022, 10:41:27 AM
Exactly, and the commission maintains it's not. Despite the fact that they're caving in to them, if not flat out supporting them.Very good points about the direction of the Commission in general and Lehmkuhl in particular. There is no reasonable explanation for anyone with his supposed background to appear so clueless.That last part there is so funny ,cause it's so true.
Listening to other follow up comments, the deck is definitely stacked. Smith was only concerned about the people who didn't get to comment? She might as well have said, "All the pro predator/anti-hunter people from my organization signed up and didn't get to speak". Ragen the "sealion guru" is a lost cause. Rowland is an ESA attorney.
I was also a little dismayed that they shot down the idea of spring bear being a "canary in the coalmine" or domino issue -when to me it clearly is- or that it is likely to ever be reinstated- but I guess that's to be expected. They can't honestly believe this doesn't have anything to do with other hunting now and future. They know exactly what it is, and most will get the result they wanted.
"Welcome to Washington State: where we'd really like to ban hunting- but that would get some backlash- and we do like the money the licenses bring in- so we'll just breed so many protected predators that there's nothing left to actually hunt" :tung:
It's a crying shame that Fishermen and hunter can't seem to combine our voice. Fishing is where the money pit is.
They sell more fishing licences and make more money ,than hunting licences ,permits,ect.
Them Communist anti-hunters that are commented,they want to end all hunting and has very little to do with spring bear.
All I know is, something needs to change for sportsmen, especially hunters, to have a chance to save anything at all.
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 12, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Post by: Twispriver on March 12, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
Bitte verbieten Sie diese grauenvolle Bärenjagd!!!!!
2 minutes ago
Ich strikt gegen die Frühjahrsbärenjagd
3 minutes ago
Cruel and unnecessary act by heartless evil humans. Stop this disgusting act!!!!
4 minutes ago
Bitte verbietet die Frühjahrsbärenjagd!
Bin dagegen!!!!!!
5 minutes ago
Post by: Bullkllr on March 12, 2022, 02:04:28 PM
Personally I can't even look at those comments anymore :bash:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 12, 2022, 04:31:52 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 12, 2022, 04:37:30 PM
As has been said, that zoom meeting was disgusting.
Post by: Stein on March 12, 2022, 04:38:17 PM
They may have a scientific background, but did anyone actually present data showing that bears are on the decline in the areas proposed for spring hunting? I heard global warming, touchy feely stuff, fairness, ethics, whatever, but any actual data? I only listened to part.Their data was When they park at the trailhead with 40 other cars and go crunching on their granola all they way down the trail reeking of bug spray and new REI gear they aren’t seeing any bears…. And that’s our fault apparently.
I suppose they can see onto private timberland and count bears there too? Too bad nobody mentioned that, put up or shut up. Many of the arguments were basically "we disagree with the state's data and substitute our gut feelings plus climate change." WDFW could have also noted bear populations in the other Pacific states as evidence bears are certainly not on the decline.
But, I don't think any of that actually matters, each commissioner likely heard what they wanted to hear to defend the vote they already decided on long before the testimony or evidence was presented.
Post by: GASoline71 on March 13, 2022, 10:27:21 AM
Lorna Smith is dead set on pandering to her anti-hunting flock. When she wanted it to be clear that there were a lot of people that didn't get to be heard, she was upset because hunters outnumbered her flock by more than 2 to 1. She sure as hell didn't make that same comment back in October when hunters were backdoored by a motion brought forth during a commission meeting that was only to reduce the number of spring bear tags in a couple of units. That meeting was flooded with anti's in the testimony and public comment, because hunters were led astray. But no alarm was raised then that hunters didn't have a "fair shake" in commenting. As I kept score, I also took notice that only 3 of the anti's that testified were not either a paid attorney for, or a paid representative of one of the extreme anti-hunting or extreme animal rights groups. Marie from the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council got cut off in the middle of here excellent testimony, and there was no mention of trying to get her back on. But there was an anti that wasn't able to speak and Lorna Smith made a plea to the chairman to make sure that they were noted and to allow their testimony added to the record via email. All so friggin' lopsided. :bash:
The commissioners still asking for "more science" are using it as a stall tactic. The longer they stall, the more we get past the actual season for spring bear. It's all so damn calculated.
I liked how the WDFW attorney also pretty much put Lorna Smith in her place about her skewed wording of the "We already voted no on this". Tim Ragan's comparison of counting an apex predator in the woods and wilderness to counting slob sea lions laying on the shorelines, docks and rocks was laughable.
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
Post by: Bullkllr on March 13, 2022, 11:03:21 AM
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
This is my big take away from all this also.
Thanks for doing your part. I too was able to speak, fwiw, but this one may be a forgone conclusion. If we want to maintain any of our rights we all need to buckle up and get ready to fight for it. The tactics they used to cancel spring bear have convinced me to pay attention or else.
Post by: Tbar on March 13, 2022, 11:08:48 AM
I was able to speak. Not as eloquently as others, but I was afforded the chance. I was the one that brought up the comparison to "child molesters" that was in the public comment section. The exact moment the clock struck 8am on March 3rd, I already had the form filled out to register and hit the "Send/Apply" button. I ended up being number 31 in line, and I registered within seconds of the 8am start time.Thank you! You did well. I'm more than a little concerned, the pre and post discussion were scary.
Lorna Smith is dead set on pandering to her anti-hunting flock. When she wanted it to be clear that there were a lot of people that didn't get to be heard, she was upset because hunters outnumbered her flock by more than 2 to 1. She sure as hell didn't make that same comment back in October when hunters were backdoored by a motion brought forth during a commission meeting that was only to reduce the number of spring bear tags in a couple of units. That meeting was flooded with anti's in the testimony and public comment, because hunters were led astray. But no alarm was raised then that hunters didn't have a "fair shake" in commenting. As I kept score, I also took notice that only 3 of the anti's that testified were not either a paid attorney for, or a paid representative of one of the extreme anti-hunting or extreme animal rights groups. Marie from the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council got cut off in the middle of here excellent testimony, and there was no mention of trying to get her back on. But there was an anti that wasn't able to speak and Lorna Smith made a plea to the chairman to make sure that they were noted and to allow their testimony added to the record via email. All so friggin' lopsided. :bash:
The commissioners still asking for "more science" are using it as a stall tactic. The longer they stall, the more we get past the actual season for spring bear. It's all so damn calculated.
I liked how the WDFW attorney also pretty much put Lorna Smith in her place about her skewed wording of the "We already voted no on this". Tim Ragan's comparison of counting an apex predator in the woods and wilderness to counting slob sea lions laying on the shorelines, docks and rocks was laughable.
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
Post by: GASoline71 on March 13, 2022, 11:16:32 AM
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
This is my big take away from all this also.
Thanks for doing your part. I too was able to speak, fwiw, but this one may be a forgone conclusion. If we want to maintain any of our rights we all need to buckle up and get ready to fight for it. The tactics they used to cancel spring bear have convinced me to pay attention or else.
I agree 100%. More and more hunters/sportsmen ARE paying attention. The consumptive user base has been awakened more now than ever. Myself... 10 years ago, I couldn't have told you who a single one of the WDFW commissioners were, or who ANY of the biologists were. Now I know them ALL by name, and know their personalities as well. In my 54 years on this planet and being born and raised here, I would have never guessed I'd be this involved in having to protect my right to harvest my own meat.
One thing to note, I have a feeling there are going to be more and more bear hunters afield in the fall after all of this. It's kind of like when one of the members of your favorite bands dies, the band's prior records sell like hotcakes. A wild hunch that, now that bear hunting in WA is in the spotlight, there will be more hunters afield.
The anti's have awakened a sleeping giant. All we need to do, is stay more focused and stay more organized, and stop all the infighting and divisiveness between user groups. :)
Gary
Post by: GASoline71 on March 13, 2022, 11:18:49 AM
Thank you! You did well. I'm more than a little concerned, the pre and post discussion were scary.
Thanks! I was deeply troubled by some of the ludicrous comments and assumptions made by some of the commissioners with a "background" in wildlife. Scary stuff!
Gary
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 13, 2022, 11:33:02 AM
I was able to speak. Not as eloquently as others, but I was afforded the chance. I was the one that brought up the comparison to "child molesters" that was in the public comment section. The exact moment the clock struck 8am on March 3rd, I already had the form filled out to register and hit the "Send/Apply" button. I ended up being number 31 in line, and I registered within seconds of the 8am start time.
Lorna Smith is dead set on pandering to her anti-hunting flock. When she wanted it to be clear that there were a lot of people that didn't get to be heard, she was upset because hunters outnumbered her flock by more than 2 to 1. She sure as hell didn't make that same comment back in October when hunters were backdoored by a motion brought forth during a commission meeting that was only to reduce the number of spring bear tags in a couple of units. That meeting was flooded with anti's in the testimony and public comment, because hunters were led astray. But no alarm was raised then that hunters didn't have a "fair shake" in commenting. As I kept score, I also took notice that only 3 of the anti's that testified were not either a paid attorney for, or a paid representative of one of the extreme anti-hunting or extreme animal rights groups. Marie from the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council got cut off in the middle of here excellent testimony, and there was no mention of trying to get her back on. But there was an anti that wasn't able to speak and Lorna Smith made a plea to the chairman to make sure that they were noted and to allow their testimony added to the record via email. All so friggin' lopsided. :bash:
The commissioners still asking for "more science" are using it as a stall tactic. The longer they stall, the more we get past the actual season for spring bear. It's all so damn calculated.
I liked how the WDFW attorney also pretty much put Lorna Smith in her place about her skewed wording of the "We already voted no on this". Tim Ragan's comparison of counting an apex predator in the woods and wilderness to counting slob sea lions laying on the shorelines, docks and rocks was laughable.
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
Did you catch Melanie Rowland's expression and body language when these comments were made?
Post by: Seabass on March 13, 2022, 11:39:04 AM
Post by: GASoline71 on March 13, 2022, 11:47:41 AM
I was able to speak. Not as eloquently as others, but I was afforded the chance. I was the one that brought up the comparison to "child molesters" that was in the public comment section. The exact moment the clock struck 8am on March 3rd, I already had the form filled out to register and hit the "Send/Apply" button. I ended up being number 31 in line, and I registered within seconds of the 8am start time.
Did you catch Melanie Rowland's expression and body language when these comments were made?
I did! So did my wife!
Gary
Post by: saylean on March 13, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
There may be another action item on this, this week, from howl. I’ll update if it happens.
Keep up this fight, regardless. And when I say fight I mean for the overall hunting and fishing community not just this issue.
Post by: GASoline71 on March 13, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
The state biologist who presented the evidence in favor of spring bear hunting should be insulted by some of the commissioners lack of belief in her work.
There may be another action item on this, this week, from howl. I’ll update if it happens.
Keep up this fight, regardless. And when I say fight I mean for the overall hunting and fishing community not just this issue.
Stephanie Simek has been undermined by certain members of the commission at every single meeting she is a part of. I don't know how she or Eric Gardner can sit there with a straight face and not pull their hair out...
Gary
Post by: Bullkllr on March 13, 2022, 12:21:37 PM
This is going to be a marathon boys and girls. We cannot let up and sit back on our haunches thinking we are done. It's going to be like this all year every year from here on out. As long as there are Lorna Smith's, Barbara Bakers, and "sea lion experts" on the commission... we have to keep at it.
Gary
This is my big take away from all this also.
Thanks for doing your part. I too was able to speak, fwiw, but this one may be a forgone conclusion. If we want to maintain any of our rights we all need to buckle up and get ready to fight for it. The tactics they used to cancel spring bear have convinced me to pay attention or else.
I agree 100%. More and more hunters/sportsmen ARE paying attention. The consumptive user base has been awakened more now than ever. Myself... 10 years ago, I couldn't have told you who a single one of the WDFW commissioners were, or who ANY of the biologists were. Now I know them ALL by name, and know their personalities as well. In my 54 years on this planet and being born and raised here, I would have never guessed I'd be this involved in having to protect my right to harvest my own meat.
One thing to note, I have a feeling there are going to be more and more bear hunters afield in the fall after all of this. It's kind of like when one of the members of your favorite bands dies, the band's prior records sell like hotcakes. A wild hunch that, now that bear hunting in WA is in the spotlight, there will be more hunters afield.
The anti's have awakened a sleeping giant. All we need to do, is stay more focused and stay more organized, and stop all the infighting and divisiveness between user groups. :)
Gary
I think that's an actual obligation at this point ;)
Post by: idahohuntr on March 13, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: Landowner on March 13, 2022, 06:20:18 PM
Flood him with emails this week. I suggest keeping the emails short and respectful---but let him know that the ongoing Blue Mountain elk calf mortality study confirms that bears (and cougars) are destroying the elk population. Of the 125 elk calves that were collared last Spring, only 9 are alive as of yesterday.
His email address: John.Lehmkuhl@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: Stein on March 13, 2022, 06:59:14 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 13, 2022, 07:31:01 PM
Good points and great effort by many on here. Thinking a bit since Fridays meeting...I'd like to find a way to shift to offense as playing defense at every meeting is getting old. We need to come up with proposals and things that will force the antis to spend time and energy fighting us so they have less time to keep chipping away at our rights. Bird watching fees? Making hunter harrassment a felony? I dont know...just something that would piss them off and we just push it endlessly so the commission doesnt have any time to figure out which hunt to take away next.
. :yeah: Really good idea. I would like to see that on the national level! Definitely need to go on offense as a hunting community
Post by: Chesapeake on March 13, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
The WDFW push to have spring bear not be a season by season vote seems like a good move, but scary as well. We could end up with it open for years or closed for years.
We live in an unfavorable state for pushing conservative value based legislation. We just plod on hopping the liberals don’t strip too many more of our freedoms.
Post by: harveymarv on March 13, 2022, 08:44:48 PM
Post by: saylean on March 14, 2022, 01:10:08 PM
Rumor has it they are now taking public comment from 8-9am this Saturday for spring bear.
If you can, follow the link and sign up! I think we had too many pro hunters the last time and certain commissioners didn’t like it.
Post by: duckmen1 on March 14, 2022, 01:18:52 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 14, 2022, 01:19:49 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Rumor has it they are now taking public comment from 8-9am this Saturday for spring bear.
If you can, follow the link and sign up! I think we had too many pro hunters the last time and certain commissioners didn’t like it.
Does that mean sign-up is opening at 8:00 am Thursday or now?
It would be nice if every commentor was pro-spring bear.
Fwiw, open public input is listed as Agenda Item #2 (Friday, 3/18, 8:45am) and Agenda Item #13 (Saturday, 3/19, 8:00am).
The spring bear decision is on the agenda for 9:30, Saturday; right before the Blue Mtns. elk herd presentation and assessment. :bash:
Post by: saylean on March 14, 2022, 02:17:01 PM
Post by: Stein on March 14, 2022, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: The100Road on March 14, 2022, 03:15:35 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Rumor has it they are now taking public comment from 8-9am this Saturday for spring bear.
If you can, follow the link and sign up! I think we had too many pro hunters the last time and certain commissioners didn’t like it.
Just signed up.
They mention a few times the question “why don’t we hunt any other animal in the spring” so whoever gets to speak, let’s make sure we answer that question. Thanks!
Post by: Stein on March 14, 2022, 03:24:07 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Rumor has it they are now taking public comment from 8-9am this Saturday for spring bear.
If you can, follow the link and sign up! I think we had too many pro hunters the last time and certain commissioners didn’t like it.
Just signed up.
They mention a few times the question “why don’t we hunt any other animal in the spring” so whoever gets to speak, let’s make sure we answer that question. Thanks!
We also regularly pursue animals during "breeding season" as was questioned (ignoring spring isn't breeding season for black bears although that should probably be brought up as well). Elk, deer, turkey, salmon, probably a bunch of other ones.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 14, 2022, 04:20:46 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/public-testimony
Rumor has it they are now taking public comment from 8-9am this Saturday for spring bear.
If you can, follow the link and sign up! I think we had too many pro hunters the last time and certain commissioners didn’t like it.
Get signed up!
Open public input are agenda items 2, 13
Post by: Tbar on March 16, 2022, 07:35:27 AM
AR comments continue.
Post by: Tbar on March 16, 2022, 07:45:16 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 16, 2022, 07:54:03 AM
Post by: Rob on March 16, 2022, 08:19:28 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 16, 2022, 08:47:24 AM
@Alan K have Jason S. or Megan weighed in on this? I feel like it would be of interest?@Alan K
Post by: GASoline71 on March 16, 2022, 08:54:22 AM
Alas, I won't be able to testify this weekend. I hope some of you guys and gals are able to!
Gary
Post by: vandeman17 on March 16, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on March 16, 2022, 09:55:33 AM
The PRA is funded by tax on guns, ammo, and archery equipment. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45667.pdf.
How do the anti-hunters think the PRA "funds conservation?" We fund the PRA, thus, we fund conservation. The lunacy is deep.
Post by: Tbar on March 16, 2022, 10:01:36 AM
Comments are now closed. At least it was when I just tried to access the comment section.Didn't the chair say they would take comments until the decision? :dunno:
Alas, I won't be able to testify this weekend. I hope some of you guys and gals are able to!
Gary
Post by: GASoline71 on March 16, 2022, 10:35:58 AM
Comments are now closed. At least it was when I just tried to access the comment section.Didn't the chair say they would take comments until the decision? :dunno:
Alas, I won't be able to testify this weekend. I hope some of you guys and gals are able to!
Gary
Pretty sure she did. So it appears the anti's have enough comments now to appease the anti-hunting commissioners. >:(
Gary
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 16, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
I would rather gouge my eye out with a dull stick than read 908 pages of comments...
:yeah: I'll be your martyr. I have speed read thru over 40%, pausing at a few of the more diabolical comments of the opposition. I am encouraged by the number of comments from all over the USA. We might not have gone global like the opposition, but supporters have heard and responded in force. :tup: :tup:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 16, 2022, 11:16:31 AM
Comments are now closed. At least it was when I just tried to access the comment section.Didn't the chair say they would take comments until the decision? :dunno:
Alas, I won't be able to testify this weekend. I hope some of you guys and gals are able to!
Gary
Pretty sure she did. So it appears the anti's have enough comments now to appease the anti-hunting commissioners. >:(
Gary
>:( >:( Was that a challenge for a count? :dunno: ;)
Post by: Rob on March 16, 2022, 12:00:46 PM
I would rather gouge my eye out with a dull stick than read 908 pages of comments...
:yeah: I'll be your martyr. I have speed read thru over 40%, pausing at a few of the more diabolical comments of the opposition. I am encouraged by the number of comments from all over the USA. We might not have gone global like the opposition, but supporters have heard and responded in force. :tup: :tup:
Nice!
Post by: Bullkllr on March 16, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
Comments are now closed. At least it was when I just tried to access the comment section.
Alas, I won't be able to testify this weekend. I hope some of you guys and gals are able to!
Gary
It's been closed since the 12th or whenever they said it would close. Maybe they're still accepting/reading emailed comments. :dunno:
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on March 18, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
Holy cow... I'm about to speak...
I've railed them up.... they didnt like me talking about Spring Bear...
If you arent on an listening today, I'll give some back story. I signed up for commenting and Saturday was all full. I made it clear I was going to talk about the spring bear. The comment period started early. I was on and got to speak second. There wasnt a confirmation email that I was actually going to get to speak. Before the comment period Chair Linville had said the Bear Comment period was over and it seamed like they didnt want to hear anymore comments on it. But I had my script written and respectfully told them what I like to do in the spring and how they should vote to re-instate the spring bear hunt. After one of the persons asked if they were going to allow comments. Then another stepped in saying they didnt but its awkward to cut mic's. Another talked about a meeting on 3/11 where 60/250 people got to speak and was wondering if the other 190 where in que. On and on but then Molly Linville stepped up and said "I am the Acting Chair and I am going to allow it because we have plenty of time."
Shall see tomorrow.
Post by: HillHound on March 18, 2022, 08:57:26 AM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on March 18, 2022, 09:13:14 AM
I’m sure that was Lorna Smith speaking up. She really wants to make sure all of her anti-hunting organizations get a chance to speak. Man that lady needs to be gone. If everyone hasn’t gone on and sign the petition to get her off the commission you need to do this now. She is definitely among the worst on the commission although there are several others that are right up there with her. She’s 100% against all hunting And you can tell by the sound of her voice and the look in her eyes that she has a severe hatred for WDFW biologist who are doing their job and saying this hunt is more than sustainable
Smith was actually pretty quite it was McIsaac I believe.
Right now the comments are 3-3 for and against spring bear that I've heard so far. I'm at work doing other things so my count might be off. Really appreciated one commenter stepping up an apologizing for "hunters" that have acted out and that it wasn't right and is not how we all feel.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on March 18, 2022, 09:14:24 AM
Post by: Platensek-po on March 18, 2022, 09:27:26 AM
There are links to the PowerPoint by simek about spring bear. It has a very very basic page about the comments for and against. Just has the points nothing about numbers. It does look like they are strongly recommending a season. I will be pleasantly surprised if this passes. I’m signed up to comment tomorrow but I don’t think it matters at this point.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 18, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Post by: ganghis on March 18, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2022/17-19mar-fwc-agenda
There are links to the PowerPoint by simek about spring bear. It has a very very basic page about the comments for and against. Just has the points nothing about numbers. It does look like they are strongly recommending a season. I will be pleasantly surprised if this passes. I’m signed up to comment tomorrow but I don’t think it matters at this point.
500 comments by one person - that's some dedication! ;D
Post by: Bullkllr on March 18, 2022, 11:30:14 AM
Comment period ended 30min early because there was no one else to speak... we missed an opportunity :bash:
I had hoped we see a little more sustained enthusiasm...
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 18, 2022, 12:23:35 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 18, 2022, 12:27:55 PM
Is the vote still tomorrow morning at 0930?
as far as I know, yes
Post by: trophyhunt on March 18, 2022, 12:28:50 PM
On a Saturday?? that seems oddIs the vote still tomorrow morning at 0930?
as far as I know, yes
Post by: Bullkllr on March 18, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
A lot of things about the Commission/Commissioners seem odd.On a Saturday?? that seems oddIs the vote still tomorrow morning at 0930?
as far as I know, yes
Post by: trophyhunt on March 18, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 18, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
Ya I thought Commission meeting was on Thursdays,now there on Fridays. Now Saturday I guess.A lot of things about the Commission/Commissioners seem odd.On a Saturday?? that seems oddIs the vote still tomorrow morning at 0930?
as far as I know, yes
Post by: saylean on March 18, 2022, 02:40:42 PM
Ya I thought Commission meeting was on Thursdays,now there on Fridays. Now Saturday I guess.A lot of things about the Commission/Commissioners seem odd.On a Saturday?? that seems oddIs the vote still tomorrow morning at 0930?
as far as I know, yes
The agenda was listed for all three days. I signed up to speak tomorrow, hopefully I’ll get on.
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 18, 2022, 03:31:36 PM
Post by: raydog on March 18, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
I shouldn’t be, but I’m optimistic for tomorrow
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/filings/2022/Spring%20Black%20Bear%20Rule%20Making%20Petition_Comments_Thru_3_12_2022.pdf
Post by: Chesapeake on March 18, 2022, 08:11:37 PM
Looks like someone made a bot that just repeated the same entry over and over. Or some video gammer sat there pushing buttons for several hours a day for several days, sometimes over periods of 24 hours straight.
Post by: hunter399 on March 18, 2022, 08:20:05 PM
I see it as a negative for hunters. Clear abuse of the public comment system.Maybe someone is sitting on 8 or 10 points for the draw.
Looks like someone made a bot that just repeated the same entry over and over. Or some video gammer sat there pushing buttons for several hours a day for several days, sometimes over periods of 24 hours straight.
I'd comment 500 times if that was the case. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: saylean on March 18, 2022, 08:29:30 PM
Fully support spring bear hunting 😂😜👏
And actually if any of you have missed it, howlforwildlife.org made emails so all you had to do was fill in your name and email, that form letter went out. Good for them.
Here’s to hoping for tomorrow.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 04:52:57 AM
Post by: Shooter4 on March 19, 2022, 07:32:07 AM
Post by: saylean on March 19, 2022, 07:43:07 AM
What times this vote starting930 ish
Post by: Shooter4 on March 19, 2022, 07:46:01 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 19, 2022, 07:57:53 AM
Scroll down to the end of the article and read his quotes. Hopefully he’s just throwing how his vote is going to be. But his comments lean towards a no vote I think
Post by: snake on March 19, 2022, 08:08:59 AM
Post by: 87Ford on March 19, 2022, 08:14:54 AM
when will the final decision on a season be made.9:30am this morning
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 08:16:24 AM
Post by: HUNT JR on March 19, 2022, 08:17:50 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:34:03 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 08:34:53 AM
Is there a zoom link to the meeting today?
Tv https://tvw.org/video/washington-fish-and-wildlife-commission-2022031222/?eventID=2022031222 (https://tvw.org/video/washington-fish-and-wildlife-commission-2022031222/?eventID=2022031222)
Zoom https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83531225011 (https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83531225011)
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:35:45 AM
Is there a zoom link to the meeting today?
Zoom link in here.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2022/17-19mar-fwc-agenda
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:38:42 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
Post by: emac on March 19, 2022, 08:49:41 AM
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 08:54:02 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:54:48 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 08:55:59 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
Kim thornburn up against Barbara baker for Chair.
Thorburn is awesome. Does she have a chance?
Post by: idahohuntr on March 19, 2022, 08:57:58 AM
I'm not feeling good about today. Hope I'm wrong.Yea...Lehmkuhl nominating Baker doesn't bode well.
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 19, 2022, 08:58:14 AM
But I don't think the numbers are in her favor with Lehmkuhl nominating Baker.
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 09:00:42 AM
:yeah:I'm not feeling good about today. Hope I'm wrong.Yea...Lehmkuhl nominating Baker doesn't bode well.
Swing vote gone!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 09:01:47 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 09:12:56 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 19, 2022, 09:15:16 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 09:32:27 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: wannabhntr on March 19, 2022, 09:47:24 AM
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 09:48:38 AM
Wow.......a commissioner that just found out yesterday that we have a spring turkey hunt. What in the actual &^$*
No chit, someone needs to give her a ride to the train station.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 09:51:08 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2022, 09:51:44 AM
Post by: HUNT JR on March 19, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 09:52:46 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Can’t seem to log on, have to keep an eye on this thread. When do they vote?
Voting now. 2y. 3n
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 09:53:37 AM
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 09:53:42 AM
I saw plenty of anti hunting repeat comments from the same few people.How'd your approach go? Probably didn't matter but you helped divide further.
Fully support spring bear hunting 😂😜👏
And actually if any of you have missed it, howlforwildlife.org made emails so all you had to do was fill in your name and email, that form letter went out. Good for them.
Here’s to hoping for tomorrow.
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 19, 2022, 09:54:40 AM
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 09:55:46 AM
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 09:57:41 AM
McIsaac nailed it. It was decided
:yeah:
Post by: Grousehunter19 on March 19, 2022, 09:59:02 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
:yeah: :yeah:McIsaac nailed it. It was decided
:yeah:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 10:19:28 AM
Post by: dmoua on March 19, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 10:21:28 AM
Just a reminder for everyone to kill two bears every fall. Our commission is a joke.
:yeah:
I like how some of them keep pointing out that they're not anti-hunting.
Yeah, right!
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2022, 10:22:13 AM
Post by: HUNT JR on March 19, 2022, 10:25:31 AM
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 10:27:30 AM
McIssac is working on an amendment that may potentially give us some life. He wants to renew the year in the WAC and then make a mandatory test for Sows with Cubs. He also is reducing permits from outside the Blue Mountain units. The season he proposes is May 7-June 15.
:yeah: Unfortunately, I don't think he is going to sway the nays.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 10:28:38 AM
I must have been watching something delayed, didn’t see the vote??? Did the vote happen?
Each have indicated their vote as they spoke. Not official vote
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 10:30:37 AM
McIssac is working on an amendment that may potentially give us some life. He wants to renew the year in the WAC and then make a mandatory test for Sows with Cubs. He also is reducing permits from outside the Blue Mountain units. The season he proposes is May 7-June 15.
:yeah: Unfortunately, I don't think he is going to sway the nays.
Furthermore proving certain commissioner's minds were made up before any discussion day 1.
Post by: HUNT JR on March 19, 2022, 10:33:09 AM
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 10:39:19 AM
Maybe it is false hope, but I think he is attempting to sway Lehmkuhl and I am hopeful it works.
No dice.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Maybe it is false hope, but I think he is attempting to sway Lehmkuhl and I am hopeful it works.
No dice.
Just confused him even more.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 10:42:09 AM
WOW, we're in trouble.
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 10:43:08 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 19, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
Just a reminder for everyone to kill two bears every fall. Our commission is a joke.:yeah:
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
So, Lemmie has no idea of bear density or GMU size.
WOW, we're in trouble.
That's an understatement!!!
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 10:46:06 AM
So, Lemmie has no idea of bear density or GMU size.
WOW, we're in trouble.
:yeah: And he is supposedly a lifelong hunter. The department staff seems baffled by the ignorance of the commissioners.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 10:48:44 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 10:49:25 AM
Sad day folks. Not just for the former spring bear season, but for the power this commission just proved they have.
:yeah:
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 10:50:48 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 10:51:41 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 10:52:15 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2022, 10:54:09 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 10:55:24 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 19, 2022, 10:55:58 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 10:57:35 AM
This is just blood boiling. I appreciate the minority of commissioners who fought the good fight and some of the wdfw staff who pushed back on some of the stupidity.:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: buckfvr on March 19, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
Post by: hunter399 on March 19, 2022, 10:59:25 AM
Wanted thorburn for chair too.
I say nay to the Commission,what a freaking joke.
Well it's pretty strait forward ,that dang inslee screwed us over again.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 11:03:47 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 11:09:19 AM
Let’s stop all OIL permits until we can get more data and just let nature run it’s course until then.
While we focus on that let’s pause all hunting until we can get some more dsta there also.
Post by: emac on March 19, 2022, 11:09:40 AM
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: harveymarv on March 19, 2022, 11:13:06 AM
Post by: Okano-gun on March 19, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 19, 2022, 11:17:32 AM
Those five can now run the table.:yeah:
Let’s stop all OIL permits until we can get more data and just let nature run it’s course until then.
While we focus on that let’s pause all hunting until we can get some more dsta there also.
That clown lehmkuhl tried to say he's a hunter and this doesn't mean he wont support a future season...but this will be the new playbook. When WDFW can't provide a life history on every single animal they will just cite uncertainty or not enough data and cancel the hunt...one by one. :bash:
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 19, 2022, 11:18:13 AM
Those five can now run the table.
Let’s stop all OIL permits until we can get more data and just let nature run it’s course until then.
While we focus on that let’s pause all hunting until we can get some more dsta there also.
Just remember this is the time to throw tons of money at the wdfw buying your chances to support this state.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
It is now blatantly obvious that some of the commissioners are not qualified to sit on the commission. Not knowing GMU size? "I just learned of a spring turkey hunt yesterday" write your legislators 3 of them still haven't been confirmed by the senate.And if you don’t know don’t rock the boat. Lean on the wdfw staff to help you learn. Don’t halt a hunt so you can get up to speed.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
It is now blatantly obvious that some of the commissioners are not qualified to sit on the commission. Not knowing GMU size? "I just learned of a spring turkey hunt yesterday" write your legislators 3 of them still haven't been confirmed by the senate.
Which 3 haven't been confirmed yet? Lemmie, Ragen, and?
Post by: hughjorgan on March 19, 2022, 11:27:57 AM
It is now blatantly obvious that some of the commissioners are not qualified to sit on the commission. Not knowing GMU size? "I just learned of a spring turkey hunt yesterday" write your legislators 3 of them still haven't been confirmed by the senate.
Which 3 haven't been confirmed yet? Lemmie, Ragen, and?
Probably Lorna smith
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 19, 2022, 11:30:44 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 11:38:56 AM
It is now blatantly obvious that some of the commissioners are not qualified to sit on the commission. Not knowing GMU size? "I just learned of a spring turkey hunt yesterday" write your legislators 3 of them still haven't been confirmed by the senate.
Which 3 haven't been confirmed yet? Lemmie, Ragen, and?
Probably Lorna smith
Anderson still isn't confirmed. :dunno: Ran out of time. :bash:
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 19, 2022, 11:54:51 AM
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 11:56:57 AM
Had nothing to do with time.It is now blatantly obvious that some of the commissioners are not qualified to sit on the commission. Not knowing GMU size? "I just learned of a spring turkey hunt yesterday" write your legislators 3 of them still haven't been confirmed by the senate.
Which 3 haven't been confirmed yet? Lemmie, Ragen, and?
Probably Lorna smith
Anderson still isn't confirmed. :dunno: Ran out of time. :bash:
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 11:59:41 AM
It’s a long shot but I guess we need to flood the Senate with DO NOT CONFIRM these pos commissioners.They will all get confirmed, except Anderson. :bash:
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 19, 2022, 12:00:12 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 12:20:34 PM
OIL tags will be on the chopping block before you know it.Already are! Did you hear the discussion yesterday?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 12:28:06 PM
OIL tags will be on the chopping block before you know it.Already are! Did you hear the discussion yesterday?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Forgot about sheep.
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 12:34:26 PM
And goats.OIL tags will be on the chopping block before you know it.Already are! Did you hear the discussion yesterday?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Forgot about sheep.
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 19, 2022, 12:35:33 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Tbar on March 19, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
I didn’t hear yesterday what did I miss?Lots of talk about limiting our eliminating hunting. Piece by piece, refusal to accept reasoning or history.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: saylean on March 19, 2022, 12:46:14 PM
Keep vocal and aware. Thank those who voted yes. They’ll be coming for the final nail in the coffin in June and likely fall bear.
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 19, 2022, 12:49:23 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Rainier10 on March 19, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
Another month and they approve fall seasons wonder what they will not approve then.I haven’t even paid attention to the other hunts and permits for this year. They kept us busy with this. I’m sure something else is brewing.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 19, 2022, 01:30:52 PM
Post by: HillHound on March 19, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 01:37:50 PM
Another month and they approve fall seasons wonder what they will not approve then.I haven’t even paid attention to the other hunts and permits for this year. They kept us busy with this. I’m sure something else is brewing.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Just walked out and got my mail. My 2022 licenses and permit apps. :rolleyes: >:( >:(
Post by: CaNINE on March 19, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 19, 2022, 02:04:44 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 19, 2022, 02:05:50 PM
What is an “OIL” tag? I’ve seen it referenced on this website a lot.
Once In Lifetime so Moose, sheep and goat
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 19, 2022, 02:08:04 PM
What is an “OIL” tag? I’ve seen it referenced on this website a lot.
Once In Lifetime so Moose, sheep and goat
Gotcha, thank you Sir.
Post by: Chesapeake on March 19, 2022, 02:18:30 PM
And the stuff on Howl about the commissioner appointments is outdated by a fair margin.
We need to figure out how to push for a commission that isn’t filthy with animal rights activists.
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 03:48:44 PM
Second bear tag will be next to go. Then they will work on complete elimination of fall bear or start reducing the length of the season and the GMU's that it is open. All the while, reducing cougar quotas and shortening that season as well. Pretty soon the predators will take such a toll on the deer and elk that they will have to reduce/eliminate many of those seasons. When that happens they will hold up the very science that they don't believe today as the reason that we need to reduce or eliminate the seasons. They will rave about the work that the WDFW biologists have done to show that the herds are too small to support hunting. They get their way and have no blood on their hands.:yeah: Well put.
Post by: Okano-gun on March 19, 2022, 03:58:26 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 19, 2022, 05:02:35 PM
Post by: HillHound on March 19, 2022, 05:13:30 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 19, 2022, 05:19:30 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 19, 2022, 05:21:37 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2022, 05:25:55 PM
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 05:40:28 PM
I think we should just get used to being criminals, in July if we carry a magazine that carry’s more than 10 rounds we can be arrested. I’m ok with not going along with this bs, I just hope our law enforcement looks the other way and don’t act like storm troopers. Spring bear is something that I hope happens one way or another!
I don't believe it will be illegal to carry one that you owned prior to the new law going into effect. This is strictly a supply side law, which makes it even more useless and pointless.
Post by: Mfowl on March 19, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
How many total spring bear points in the system? State took a lot of cash from sportsmen that they probably need to give back :twocents:
Or let those points be transferred to another category.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 19, 2022, 05:47:48 PM
thats the zero cost easy way out though. I want my money back!How many total spring bear points in the system? State took a lot of cash from sportsmen that they probably need to give back :twocents:
Or let those points be transferred to another category.
Post by: Timberstalker on March 19, 2022, 06:33:49 PM
Post by: Torrent50 on March 19, 2022, 06:43:37 PM
At the end of the day, let's remember what Commie Rowland said today. This is all because of climate change. If we would all just quit driving gas guzzlers and embrace the green revolution we would be saved................
:bash:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 07:12:34 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on March 19, 2022, 07:20:54 PM
How many total spring bear points in the system? State took a lot of cash from sportsmen that they probably need to give back :twocents:
Go look, and maybe you’ll find there are no spring bear points. Maybe not even a category to have the points in.
Post by: saylean on March 19, 2022, 07:28:47 PM
Post by: HillHound on March 19, 2022, 07:34:29 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 19, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
How many total spring bear points in the system? State took a lot of cash from sportsmen that they probably need to give back :twocents:
Go look, and maybe you’ll find there are no spring bear points. Maybe not even a category to have the points in.
:yike: :yike: :yeah: I got categories with zero points. Spring bear isn't one of them. :bash: :bash:
Post by: Bullkllr on March 19, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
I hope the Commies understand the gravity of that no vote. Hunters and anglers have lost a lot over the years. But nearly all of that has been in the name of conservation because of low numbers. This is the first time in my recollection that an entire season was cancelled when conservation was clearly not the driver (hounds/bait and the ongoing cougar mis-management come to mind perhaps as the closest- and part of that was not a Commission decision).
Man this has screwed my whole day. I’m so pissed. Not even as much just for spring bear, but because their reasoning could effectively end all hunting in Washington.
This spells out my biggest concern. The next issue, or the next after that could easily go the same way; cancelled because it doesn't fit the Commies personal agendas. My trust-level for any balanced or honest decisions is in the negatives.
With this single vote they have proven to be:
biased
uninformed
uninterested in becoming informed prior to a momentous decision
willing to call out the best science available as not good enough
willing to ignore department recommendations
unwilling to compromise when several contentious concerns were 'fixed"
disingenuous in public statements................................I'm sure there's more to add to the list
Post by: hunter399 on March 19, 2022, 08:00:26 PM
Do not let hunter opportunities slip away.
When I say that toward spring bear.
I mean not too long ago WDFW shifted this hunt,giving hound permits to the lumber company. Which was smeared all over the news. Creating this crowd of people that have been against any harvest of spring bear.
Reducing permit numbers for a number of years,and turning this hunt more recreational instead of tree damage.
Now you have a Commission that sides with this "crowd".
We all know this is not about bear numbers or population.
Spring bear harvest is not even a drop in the bucket, WDFW has told our Commission this.
This might even help keep our second bear tags.
Cause this will lead to more people amped up for fall harvest. If we keep harvest of fall bear up,or slightly above average. It's shows stabil population.
When you see hunts that hounds,access is gone,predator hunts turned into permit hunts,bait stations,
Alternative manage other than hunters . SPEAK UP.
One other I've noticed......
This "crowd" has only been onto this topic with the Commission. Speakers for the other meetings has been pretty slow. I take that as a sign that we can still have a word in toward other Hunts.
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 19, 2022, 08:05:24 PM
This could be the start of a reduction in cougar opportunities as well. They haven't reached the cougar quota in some of the Northeast gmu's for the last couple of years. Could be a very easy reason to say that the resource is reduced and would be a good time to close the units.
After listening to the commission today. You should be able to go to any viewing station and observe the states animals.
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 19, 2022, 08:13:49 PM
I'm one of the lucky ones that drew and had my first successful hunt last year. Wondering if any of the special permit apps I just received will be able to be used. :dunno: :( The whole thing is beyond frustrating. :bash: :bash:
Same boat as you. I shot mine the afternoon of June 14th 2021. My dad jokes that I probably killed the last spring bear ever in WA state.
Post by: hunter399 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:49 PM
Just looked and the mystery of bear points has disappeared. There isn't even a category.You didn't know, they been trying to turn late season cougar into a permit season. It was proposed a few years ago ,by the Department. And dropped and not favored by hunters.
This could be the start of a reduction in cougar opportunities as well. They haven't reached the cougar quota in some of the Northeast gmu's for the last couple of years. Could be a very easy reason to say that the resource is reduced and would be a good time to close the units.
After listening to the commission today. You should be able to go to any viewing station and observe the states animals.
Post by: Special T on March 19, 2022, 08:30:23 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 19, 2022, 08:48:44 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 19, 2022, 08:49:09 PM
:yeah:I think we should just get used to being criminals, in July if we carry a magazine that carry’s more than 10 rounds we can be arrested. I’m ok with not going along with this bs, I just hope our law enforcement looks the other way and don’t act like storm troopers. Spring bear is something that I hope happens one way or another!
I don't believe it will be illegal to carry one that you owned prior to the new law going into effect. This is strictly a supply side law, which makes it even more useless and pointless.
The new law does not effect possession.
Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Post by: MADMAX on March 19, 2022, 08:51:31 PM
Yet
Post by: BUTTER on March 19, 2022, 10:20:34 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 19, 2022, 10:32:32 PM
QUIT VOTING BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
But I didn’t like Trump/Culp…etc
How do you like not hunting/freedom.🤔
Post by: JakeLand on March 19, 2022, 11:06:20 PM
It sounds like they are coming after our blacktail seasons next. What a sad state of affairs.huh ?
Post by: HillHound on March 19, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Post by: cem3434 on March 19, 2022, 11:55:39 PM
It sounds like they are coming after our blacktail seasons next. What a sad state of affairs.huh ?
I was referring to a comment made by one of the commissioners regarding not having a lot of scientific data on blacktails or an accurate count of their population. Basically the same logic they used to abolish the spring bear season, which I believe was just the first domino to fall and would not be surprised if they go after something else in the near future.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 20, 2022, 08:37:39 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 20, 2022, 08:52:20 AM
https://wawildlifefirst.org/wa-fish-wildlife-commission-rejects-rule-to-set-permanent-spring-bear-hunt/ (https://wawildlifefirst.org/wa-fish-wildlife-commission-rejects-rule-to-set-permanent-spring-bear-hunt/)
It's actually a decent summary with the usually rhetoric and lies thrown in.
Some excerpts:
"Commissioners cite scientific deficiencies and the need for a values-based discussion"
“We are grateful for the Commission’s thoughtful consideration of this issue,” said Samantha Bruegger, executive director for Washington Wildlife First. “By voting no on this proposal, five Commissioners cast a vote in favor of science, transparency, and accountability, and showed that the Commission will no longer simply act as a mindless rubber stamp for Department proposals."
"Bruegger said it was “preposterous” to assert that that Saturday’s vote was the first step in a “slippery slope” toward ending hunting in the state, calling this accusation “fear-mongering.”"
YEAH, RIGHT!
“What we hope is that this vote will be a ‘slippery slope’ toward greater accountability and transparency in our state’s wildlife management,” she said. “We also hope this will be the start of more involvement in wildlife management by the larger community, because Washington’s fish and wildlife belongs to all of us, and we are all responsible for its conservation.”
NOT COMFORTING.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 20, 2022, 09:04:43 AM
Sportsmen are going ro need to remain Uber vigilant. Join Howl for Wildlife and get active. Having the first 20 speakers on every comment period is no necessary
While I agree you are right, I also 100% think the nah saying commissioners had a predetermined vote they were going to make regardless if 99% of the comments backed having the spring bear season. :twocents:
Post by: Cougartail on March 20, 2022, 09:14:54 AM
Not a good starting point for sportsmen in our State.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 20, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
yup, all those comments for the hunt didn’t mean chit! The Anti hunting commisioners wouldn’t care if 100% of the comments were in support of the hunt, they are radicals, it’s their way now.Sportsmen are going ro need to remain Uber vigilant. Join Howl for Wildlife and get active. Having the first 20 speakers on every comment period is no necessary
While I agree you are right, I also 100% think the nah saying commissioners had a predetermined vote they were going to make regardless if 99% of the comments backed having the spring bear season. :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 20, 2022, 09:18:53 AM
Probably 1/3 of the people on this site vote for those who will kill hunting and gun ownership.:yeah: I for one would love to see some of them own up to their votes!! Are they waking up at all???!!!!
Not a good starting point for sportsmen in our State.
Post by: KFhunter on March 20, 2022, 09:21:33 AM
yup, all those comments for the hunt didn’t mean chit! The Anti hunting commisioners wouldn’t care if 100% of the comments were in support of the hunt, they are radicals, it’s their way now.Sportsmen are going ro need to remain Uber vigilant. Join Howl for Wildlife and get active. Having the first 20 speakers on every comment period is no necessary
While I agree you are right, I also 100% think the nah saying commissioners had a predetermined vote they were going to make regardless if 99% of the comments backed having the spring bear season. :twocents:
:yeah:
The only way to change it is a new governor. Inslee is using these corrupt commission members to pander to special interest groups. I can see Thornburn resigning soon.
The objectivity of the commission is lost
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 20, 2022, 09:24:13 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 20, 2022, 09:26:24 AM
Sportsmen are going ro need to remain Uber vigilant. Join Howl for Wildlife and get active. Having the first 20 speakers on every comment period is no necessary
While I agree you are right, I also 100% think the nah saying commissioners had a predetermined vote they were going to make regardless if 99% of the comments backed having the spring bear season. :twocents:
Not wrong on this one, but there will be other issues coming up that will be much less publicly contentious. The worst that can happen from choosing to participate is some personal satisfaction for standing up, rather than just watching it happen.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 20, 2022, 09:31:28 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on March 20, 2022, 10:32:28 PM
Kim called it at the beginning of last year. If she bails, we’ll be that much worse off.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 21, 2022, 09:00:10 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 21, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
All the known Dems on this site that regularly post are awfully quiet when it comes to posting on this thread... :bash: :bash:
Maybe just maybe now they’ll see the damage they have done to the hunting in this state along with everything else the liberals are throwing down our throats. But I doubt it, stupidity runs high in liberals.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 21, 2022, 09:09:11 AM
It won't take them long to make the argument that cubs are dependent on mothers for up to two years so having a fall hunt 3 months after the old spring hunt that was cancelled to keep cubs from being orphaned is just as bad so we need to get rid of that fall hunt as well.
:bash:
It was so frustrating to listen to commissioners who don't understand hunting and hunters knowledge of only taking boars make judgements on how to best move forward and completely throw out what actual hunters and wildlife biologists have to say.
It was clear in that meeting that they had already decided how they were going to vote. They thanked everyone for their input, said they disagreed and had absolutely no facts to back up their reasoning for disagreeing.
The information they said they were using was incorrect. They are unaware of other hunts that take place in the spring, they are unaware that sows with cubs aren't targeted, they are unaware of what a GMU is, it blows my mind that they are allowed to make decisions about this stuff.
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.
Post by: Tbar on March 21, 2022, 09:13:26 AM
On the drive in this morning KIRO radio said that the commission had ruled to not have a spring bear hunt in an effort to keep cubs from being orphaned and that the fall hunt would still be allowed.I really felt like the refusal to recuse ones self even while showing blatant ignorance was very telling of their integrity.
It won't take them long to make the argument that cubs are dependent on mothers for up to two years so having a fall hunt 3 months after the old spring hunt that was cancelled to keep cubs from being orphaned is just as bad so we need to get rid of that fall hunt as well.
:bash:
It was so frustrating to listen to commissioners who don't understand hunting and hunters knowledge of only taking boars make judgements on how to best move forward and completely throw out what actual hunters and wildlife biologists have to say.
It was clear in that meeting that they had already decided how they were going to vote. They thanked everyone for their input, said they disagreed and had absolutely no facts to back up their reasoning for disagreeing.
The information they said they were using was incorrect. They are unaware of other hunts that take place in the spring, they are unaware that sows with cubs aren't targeted, they are unaware of what a GMU is, it blows my mind that they are allowed to make decisions about this stuff.
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.
Post by: Stein on March 21, 2022, 09:26:14 AM
The thought of sustainable use of natural resources is quickly evaporating. The preservation mindset is to simply minimize human's impact on the landscape as if we were evil aliens with no place outside the city walls.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 21, 2022, 09:36:14 AM
:yeah:On the drive in this morning KIRO radio said that the commission had ruled to not have a spring bear hunt in an effort to keep cubs from being orphaned and that the fall hunt would still be allowed.I really felt like the refusal to recuse ones self even while showing blatant ignorance was very telling of their integrity.
It won't take them long to make the argument that cubs are dependent on mothers for up to two years so having a fall hunt 3 months after the old spring hunt that was cancelled to keep cubs from being orphaned is just as bad so we need to get rid of that fall hunt as well.
:bash:
It was so frustrating to listen to commissioners who don't understand hunting and hunters knowledge of only taking boars make judgements on how to best move forward and completely throw out what actual hunters and wildlife biologists have to say.
It was clear in that meeting that they had already decided how they were going to vote. They thanked everyone for their input, said they disagreed and had absolutely no facts to back up their reasoning for disagreeing.
The information they said they were using was incorrect. They are unaware of other hunts that take place in the spring, they are unaware that sows with cubs aren't targeted, they are unaware of what a GMU is, it blows my mind that they are allowed to make decisions about this stuff.
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.
I don't feel like everything should pause while new members of the commission get up to speed on how the process works. Stand down or go with the flow until you are up to speed and then make a decision versus making an uninformed decision.
Excuses/facts
cubs are orphaned in the spring/out of 145 bears harvested only one was lactating
state bear density isn't high enough/we aren't talking statewide, we are talking a few specific GMU's
no other hunts are allowed in the spring/turkey season is allowed in the spring
we shouldn't be hunting bears when they are breeding/we have all kinds of hunts during breeding season
hikers want to see more bears when hiking/problem bears are removed from populated and high traffic human areas
fall hunting is better time to harvest bears so cubs don't get orphaned/cubs are still dependent on mothers 3 months after the spring season
game management plan should be based on different data/game management plan is based on best data available
bear harvest has increased too much recently/the bear population has increased
All excuses to stop the season and all facts presented by the game department showing why the season should happen.
Unbelievable.
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 21, 2022, 10:00:49 AM
See where this is going.... >:(
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2022, 10:05:17 AM
Thank you for contacting the Washington department of Fish and Wildlife. Your correspondence was forwarded to the Wildlife Program for a response.
At this time Spring bear is suspended for a single season. Your points will remain in the Spring Bear category for future hunts.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360) 902-2515
Post by: salt n sage90 on March 21, 2022, 10:15:58 AM
My response from WDFW regarding their plans for my accumulated points
Thank you for contacting the Washington department of Fish and Wildlife. Your correspondence was forwarded to the Wildlife Program for a response.
At this time Spring bear is suspended for a single season. Your points will remain in the Spring Bear category for future hunts.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360) 902-2515
Thats almost laughable.
Better chance of a spring unicorn or jackelope hunt popping up.
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2022, 10:20:54 AM
That was to the director
Post by: Rainier10 on March 21, 2022, 10:39:33 AM
The reasons they claimed to be the driving factors justifying their voting stance can be and could be applied to all big game....Exactly. None of their reasons are science or management based. They can easily make the same baseless argument for all hunting and it won't matter what facts you have to counter with. It will be the same as this weekend. I believe it was Lorna Smith who basically said "We really appreciate all the hard work the biologists and WDFW staff put into this but we want to go a different direction. We certainly don't mean any disrespect. You did your job well and put together some great information but we just don't agree. It is the job of the WDFW to do the work, provide direction and it is the job of the commission to do what we think is best." I'm not sure I have that word for word but couldn't believe what I was hearing. I am glad it was recorded. I hope they go back and listen to their own logic. Morale at WDFW has to be broken at this point.
See where this is going.... >:(
Brian Blake made some great comments Sunday about how they needed to follow the game management plan for this cycle or else they would lose the hunting publics trust. I think that is exactly what they did.
Post by: buckfvr on March 21, 2022, 10:46:57 AM
Post by: dwtraut7 on March 21, 2022, 10:48:11 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 21, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.:yeah: And, as stated in the other thread, the very first thing we should all do is thank them for their work, efforts, support of science, and general sanity! If any of them bail we're in a world of hurt.
Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov
Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov
James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: bearpaw on March 21, 2022, 01:51:37 PM
All the known Dems on this site that regularly post are awfully quiet when it comes to posting on this thread... :bash: :bash:
They are responsible for keeping Inslee in office and they know it! Anyone who supports the "D" party in WA has brought this upon us all! :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2022, 02:03:25 PM
Post by: bigtex on March 21, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
What are we headed towards in the future with this commission?A bunch of PhDs in resource sciences who largely oppose hunting and fishing. If you know a PhD who supports hunting/fishing tell them to apply! I think you could easily say that even those individuals who were appointed to the commission in Inslee's first term (such as Dave Graybill) wouldn't make it on under this current regime.
Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Post by: ghosthunter on March 21, 2022, 02:16:43 PM
What are we headed towards in the future with this commission?
The move in this state is to get rid of hunting. Every season. Any small hunts will be picked off first. Turkey may be next. Special permits, it’s all on the chopping block.We need a good organization to challenge them. I would gladly donate to such a group but the current groups don’t have the juice.
We need a no holds barred group for hunting in general.
Post by: bigtex on March 21, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
All you need to do is look at the timeline for California.What are we headed towards in the future with this commission?
The move in this state is to get rid of hunting. Every season. Any small hunts will be picked off first. Turkey may be next. Special permits, it’s all on the chopping block.We need a good organization to challenge them. I would gladly donate to such a group but the current groups don’t have the juice.
We need a no holds barred group for hunting in general.
-Cougar hunting banned via voter initiative in the 90s
-Recreational for profit trapping banned several years ago.
-Trapping of bobcats banned shortly thereafter
-Then all trapping banned
-Now bobcat hunting is on hold until a statewide bobcat survey can be completed.
The difference between WA and CA is that all of the above was passed in the state legislature or via voter initiative, not by their Commission.
A bill was circulated last year to ban bear hunting, it was rescinded. Now there's a petition before the CA Fish and Game Commission to halt bear hunting until a study can be done to determine if hunting is hurting the population.
It's simple you come in small and knick off the less used seasons (bobcat, spring bear, etc.) until you get to the most popular seasons.
Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Post by: baldopepper on March 21, 2022, 04:10:55 PM
Well I'm a moderate D. I don't like what I'm seeing anymore than the R's do.. Difference is some of us try to work, so to speak, from the inside. First off, I don't really think Inslee cares one way or another about hunting, he just cares about getting reelected and keeping the D's in power. On one side he had the vocal hunters out there who call him names and vow to never vote for him or a Democrat. On the other side he has the vocal anti hunters who praise him and vow to always vote to keep the D's in control. Not hard to guess who he panders to. Believe it or not, there are a lot of us D's who are very pro hunting rights and feel the only way to get change is to push those pro hunting d's to the forefront. Let's face it, this state Is a Democrat stronghold and only getting more so. Hunting rights are very low on the rung for why most people in this state choose a candidate, in fact a heavy percentage vote mostly along party lines. Guess what I'm saying is we're better off backing candidates who support us, and can win a statewide vote, than we are sticking with party lines and backing a looser. There are democrats out there who do support hunting rights, in fact probably more that do than don't. We just need to support them when they run for office in this state. This ain't Idaho.All the known Dems on this site that regularly post are awfully quiet when it comes to posting on this thread... :bash: :bash:
They are responsible for keeping Inslee in office and they know it! Anyone who supports the "D" party in WA has brought this upon us all! :twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on March 21, 2022, 04:19:28 PM
How sad
You’d never know it opening day of modern firearms
Washington by the numbers
- Percent of residents with paid hunting licenses: 2.3%
- Total paid hunting license holders: 174,660
- Total hunting license, tags, permits and stamps: 685,780
- Gross cost of all hunting licenses: $17,068,229
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2022, 04:53:17 PM
My response from WDFW regarding their plans for my accumulated points
Thank you for contacting the Washington department of Fish and Wildlife. Your correspondence was forwarded to the Wildlife Program for a response.
At this time Spring bear is suspended for a single season. Your points will remain in the Spring Bear category for future hunts.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360) 902-2515
Thats almost laughable.
Better chance of a spring unicorn or jackelope hunt popping up.
Here's tbe follow up:
Thank you for contacting the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife.
When a hunt series is inactive, the points for that category are hidden on customer’s profiles. Due to the spring bear hunt being a hot topic, our tech team has unhidden the bear points on profiles, so you will still see them reflected. The points are not removed from anyone’s account, just hidden.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at 360.902.2464.
Thank You,
Alyssa
WDFW Licensing Division
Customer Service Specialist 2
360.902.2464
Website: wdfw.wa.gov
Post by: snake on March 21, 2022, 05:36:42 PM
Post by: baldopepper on March 21, 2022, 05:55:46 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.You are 100% wrong! Kind of thinking that keeps the divide so wide. Far more moderate democrats and moderate republicans than the far left and far right loud mouths that seem to catch all the attention.
Post by: Rainier10 on March 21, 2022, 06:05:08 PM
Sent an email to all four and already received a personal reply back from commissioner Anderson. :tup:Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.:yeah: And, as stated in the other thread, the very first thing we should all do is thank them for their work, efforts, support of science, and general sanity! If any of them bail we're in a world of hurt.
Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov
Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov
James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: idaho guy on March 21, 2022, 06:14:15 PM
Well I'm a moderate D. I don't like what I'm seeing anymore than the R's do.. Difference is some of us try to work, so to speak, from the inside. First off, I don't really think Inslee cares one way or another about hunting, he just cares about getting reelected and keeping the D's in power. On one side he had the vocal hunters out there who call him names and vow to never vote for him or a Democrat. On the other side he has the vocal anti hunters who praise him and vow to always vote to keep the D's in control. Not hard to guess who he panders to. Believe it or not, there are a lot of us D's who are very pro hunting rights and feel the only way to get change is to push those pro hunting d's to the forefront. Let's face it, this state Is a Democrat stronghold and only getting more so. Hunting rights are very low on the rung for why most people in this state choose a candidate, in fact a heavy percentage vote mostly along party lines. Guess what I'm saying is we're better off backing candidates who support us, and can win a statewide vote, than we are sticking with party lines and backing a looser. There are democrats out there who do support hunting rights, in fact probably more that do than don't. We just need to support them when they run for office in this state. This ain't Idaho.All the known Dems on this site that regularly post are awfully quiet when it comes to posting on this thread... :bash: :bash:
They are responsible for keeping Inslee in office and they know it! Anyone who supports the "D" party in WA has brought this upon us all! :twocents:
Did you vote for Inslee? I understand your idea and it could make sense but did you vote for Inslee? I just watch the politics from across the border in Idaho but it amazes me that he continues to get elected. If you voted for Inslee your idea makes no sense and you would be part of the problem and responsible for the loss of hunting opportunities.
Post by: 87Ford on March 21, 2022, 06:26:00 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.:yeah:
Post by: baldopepper on March 21, 2022, 06:28:21 PM
I ,like many others, am not a one issue voter. Hunting rights , while important to me, are not the single issue determing how I vote. This past election, like others, was an election where I took issue with many stances both candidates took.I try to weigh those issues and vote accordingly, rarely entirely happy with the choices yes, I did vote for Inslee. Voted the first time in 1968, had to be 21 to vote, and hate to say it , but have voted against someone more often than I've voted for someone. Hope to see someday a candidate that I truly 100% agreed with. Not holding out hope.Well I'm a moderate D. I don't like what I'm seeing anymore than the R's do.. Difference is some of us try to work, so to speak, from the inside. First off, I don't really think Inslee cares one way or another about hunting, he just cares about getting reelected and keeping the D's in power. On one side he had the vocal hunters out there who call him names and vow to never vote for him or a Democrat. On the other side he has the vocal anti hunters who praise him and vow to always vote to keep the D's in control. Not hard to guess who he panders to. Believe it or not, there are a lot of us D's who are very pro hunting rights and feel the only way to get change is to push those pro hunting d's to the forefront. Let's face it, this state Is a Democrat stronghold and only getting more so. Hunting rights are very low on the rung for why most people in this state choose a candidate, in fact a heavy percentage vote mostly along party lines. Guess what I'm saying is we're better off backing candidates who support us, and can win a statewide vote, than we are sticking with party lines and backing a looser. There are democrats out there who do support hunting rights, in fact probably more that do than don't. We just need to support them when they run for office in this state. This ain't Idaho.All the known Dems on this site that regularly post are awfully quiet when it comes to posting on this thread... :bash: :bash:
They are responsible for keeping Inslee in office and they know it! Anyone who supports the "D" party in WA has brought this upon us all! :twocents:
Did you vote for Inslee? I understand your idea and it could make sense but did you vote for Inslee? I just watch the politics from across the border in Idaho but it amazes me that he continues to get elected. If you voted for Inslee your idea makes no sense and you would be part of the problem and responsible for the loss of hunting opportunities.
Post by: cem3434 on March 21, 2022, 06:31:43 PM
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.:yeah: And, as stated in the other thread, the very first thing we should all do is thank them for their work, efforts, support of science, and general sanity! If any of them bail we're in a world of hurt.
Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov
Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov
James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov
Done, thanks for posting their emails up.
Post by: hughjorgan on March 21, 2022, 07:00:45 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.You are 100% wrong! Kind of thinking that keeps the divide so wide. Far more moderate democrats and moderate republicans than the far left and far right loud mouths that seem to catch all the attention.
You are 100 percent correct baldopepper, the moderates from the left and the right are in charge and are making a mess of things
Post by: Igor on March 21, 2022, 07:16:51 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.You are 100% wrong! Kind of thinking that keeps the divide so wide. Far more moderate democrats and moderate republicans than the far left and far right loud mouths that seem to catch all the attention.
You are 100 percent correct baldopepper, the moderates from the left and the right are in charge and are making a mess of things
Yep..........the "moderates" will just compromise and compromise, until there is nothing left to compromise............
Post by: hughjorgan on March 21, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.You are 100% wrong! Kind of thinking that keeps the divide so wide. Far more moderate democrats and moderate republicans than the far left and far right loud mouths that seem to catch all the attention.
You are 100 percent correct baldopepper, the moderates from the left and the right are in charge and are making a mess of things
Yep..........the "moderates" will just compromise and compromise, until there is nothing left to compromise............
My post should of read the FAR left and right, moderates are what we need
Post by: Torrent50 on March 21, 2022, 07:43:12 PM
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.:yeah: And, as stated in the other thread, the very first thing we should all do is thank them for their work, efforts, support of science, and general sanity! If any of them bail we're in a world of hurt.
Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov
Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov
James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov
I emailed all the commissioners today. Thanking these 4 and expressing my concerns with the other 5. I got a response from Commissioner Baker already and have a meeting set up with her in a couple of weeks. It will be a good time to express my concerns and hear her point of view first hand in a less official setting. Hoping it goes well.
Post by: dreamingbig on March 21, 2022, 07:46:02 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2022, 07:47:05 PM
This is 2022 not 1990. There is NO such thing as a moderate democrat.You are 100% wrong! Kind of thinking that keeps the divide so wide. Far more moderate democrats and moderate republicans than the far left and far right loud mouths that seem to catch all the attention.
You are 100 percent correct baldopepper, the moderates from the left and the right are in charge and are making a mess of things
Yep..........the "moderates" will just compromise and compromise, until there is nothing left to compromise............
My post should of read the FAR left and right, moderates are what we need
Trump is a moderate, many on the far right became anti-Trumpers
Post by: Torrent50 on March 21, 2022, 07:53:08 PM
Aren’t we losing 2 more of the remaining 4 commissioners at years end? 2023 will be a 7-2 vote in favor of antihunting…. Inslee has had the power to squash hunting as we have known it. What seasons will be around in 2024?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I believe they can stay on for more than their two year period. Not exactly sure how that works, but some have been there for more than two years. I would imagine that if they said they wanted to continue for another two year term it would be unlikely that they would be replaced. That would make it too obvious. They can keep things just like they are and have the majority and still keep the illusion that the commission is balanced.
Post by: emac on March 21, 2022, 07:59:01 PM
I thought it was a 6 year term.Aren’t we losing 2 more of the remaining 4 commissioners at years end? 2023 will be a 7-2 vote in favor of antihunting…. Inslee has had the power to squash hunting as we have known it. What seasons will be around in 2024?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I believe they can stay on for more than their two year period. Not exactly sure how that works, but some have been there for more than two years. I would imagine that if they said they wanted to continue for another two year term it would be unlikely that they would be replaced. That would make it too obvious. They can keep things just like they are and have the majority and still keep the illusion that the commission is balanced.
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: Bullkllr on March 21, 2022, 08:09:48 PM
Thornburn, McIssac, Anderson and Linville all get it. They sounded frustrated that new commissioners would come on board and change the direction of the commission without getting themselves informed on the issues.:yeah: And, as stated in the other thread, the very first thing we should all do is thank them for their work, efforts, support of science, and general sanity! If any of them bail we're in a world of hurt.
Donald.Mcisaac@dfw.wa.gov
Kim.Thorburn@dfw.wa.gov
Molly.Linville@dfw.wa.gov
James.Anderson@dfw.wa.gov
I emailed all the commissioners today. Thanking these 4 and expressing my concerns with the other 5. I got a response from Commissioner Baker already and have a meeting set up with her in a couple of weeks. It will be a good time to express my concerns and hear her point of view first hand in a less official setting. Hoping it goes well.
Thanks for doing that. It will be interesting indeed to see how that goes.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 21, 2022, 08:20:24 PM
Aren’t we losing 2 more of the remaining 4 commissioners at years end? 2023 will be a 7-2 vote in favor of antihunting…. Inslee has had the power to squash hunting as we have known it. What seasons will be around in 2024?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It doesn't exactly endear him to me or anything, but we need to keep in mind Inslee appointed Commissioners Anderson, McIsaac, Thorburn, and Linville as well as the other 5. Lehmkuhl I believe may prove to be a reasonable and moderate commissioner. He was very close to a "yes" on the spring bear vote. So there may be hope.
I know Washington Wildlife First has been pushing very hard for their candidates- and other groups likely as well. I'll give them credit- they are organized, motivated, and know how to work the political system in their favor. There is absolutely no reason hunters and fishers can't do the same. We simply need to get more people involved and engaged toward common goals. Hunters may be only ~3%, but the number of truly "antis" is small as well. Most of the public who doesn't hunt support hunting for food. And fisherpeople outnumber hunters hugely. There's a lot of power behind all those voices singing a common tune. If we sit back and watch it happen, or wait for others to do it for us, I think the writing is on the wall to support those fears.
Post by: Torrent50 on March 21, 2022, 08:39:03 PM
I thought it was a 6 year term.Aren’t we losing 2 more of the remaining 4 commissioners at years end? 2023 will be a 7-2 vote in favor of antihunting…. Inslee has had the power to squash hunting as we have known it. What seasons will be around in 2024?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I believe they can stay on for more than their two year period. Not exactly sure how that works, but some have been there for more than two years. I would imagine that if they said they wanted to continue for another two year term it would be unlikely that they would be replaced. That would make it too obvious. They can keep things just like they are and have the majority and still keep the illusion that the commission is balanced.
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
You are correct. Don't know what I was thinking. Just not sure if there are term limits or not.
Post by: HooknoseHunter on March 22, 2022, 06:56:51 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 22, 2022, 07:41:15 AM
I’m completely floored by some of the commentary on this thread. You have people confessing to the ultimate sin of voting FOR Jay Inslee and then you have other people AGREEING with that same person!!!!! What in the heck is going on out west there boys???
It's the world we live in. :dunno: :rolleyes: >:(
Post by: GWP on March 22, 2022, 07:58:44 AM
It gets to be quite the ‘push pull’ come voting time between Unions, Hunting and Fishing groups, Police, Humanitarian, AARP, Investment Groups and Planning Commissions to figure out whom to vote for.
‘The lesser of two evils’ seems to be the norm for voting these days, not to mention if they ‘actually’ do what they said during the campaign.
No, I did not vote for Inslee, just to be clear.
Post by: Igor on March 22, 2022, 07:58:51 AM
I’m completely floored by some of the commentary on this thread. You have people confessing to the ultimate sin of voting FOR Jay Inslee and then you have other people AGREEING with that same person!!!!! What in the heck is going on out west there boys???
I just think that they believe all of the promises and crapola that the liberals throw at them.....fixing all of the "systemic" problems in our society, free this, free that......a new nanny state.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 08, 2022, 12:55:12 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/refocus-fish-and-wildlife-mandate-on-conservation/
Post by: Platensek-po on April 08, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
Koontz had an article in the seattle times opinion section today.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/refocus-fish-and-wildlife-mandate-on-conservation/
Pretty aweful
Post by: JakeLand on April 09, 2022, 10:51:18 PM
no ! pretty pathetic!Koontz had an article in the seattle times opinion section today.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/refocus-fish-and-wildlife-mandate-on-conservation/
Pretty aweful