Post by: logola512c on February 05, 2022, 11:21:20 PM
Post by: Caseyd on February 05, 2022, 11:45:20 PM
https://amp.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article258031348.html
Post by: logola512c on February 05, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on February 06, 2022, 06:37:04 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 06, 2022, 07:37:21 AM
Post by: JBar on February 06, 2022, 07:41:14 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on February 06, 2022, 08:52:57 AM
Never understood how that is legal, it would be like China buying a parcel of land here. and having it become sovereign Chinese soil.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 06, 2022, 08:59:12 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 06, 2022, 09:12:27 AM
Post by: fly-by on February 06, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on February 06, 2022, 10:39:04 AM
I say good for them especially if it was originally supposed to be part of their reservation. They probably think it sucks they had to buy it back.
Probably didnt hurt to bad buying it back with others money from a business only they can run.
Post by: bigtex on February 06, 2022, 05:18:32 PM
It's not the best place to hunt, or even an average one, but it's the closest piece of property to seattle that isn't crawling with hikers.It was a pretty good place to hunt up until about 10-15 years ago. Now even the rabbit and grouse hunting is poor.
Sad, for many of those of us "older" guys who grew up in King County this was the local hunting hot spot. I know quite a few guys who get permits just so they can still hunt and fish in the same place they did with their dad 50 or more years ago.
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Post by: Katmai Guy on February 06, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Post by: logola512c on February 06, 2022, 08:44:06 PM
I say good for them especially if it was originally supposed to be part of their reservation. They probably think it sucks they had to buy it back.
I agree. I don't begrudge them at all. They're just buying what was basically given to the timber companies for free way back in the day and that they're now selling for a fortune.
Post by: stw on February 07, 2022, 02:42:38 AM
Post by: bigtex on February 07, 2022, 04:32:49 AM
The 12,000 acres they bought is the tolt river watershed.No its not. It's the land directly north of the watershed. The watershed is still owned by the City of Seattle.
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Post by: wags on February 07, 2022, 10:08:31 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2022, 12:35:34 AM
Post by: HillHound on February 08, 2022, 12:50:26 AM
:DOH: Have you all not been watching “Yellowstone”? :rolleyes:Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that
Post by: stw on February 08, 2022, 05:00:00 AM
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Post by: bigtex on February 08, 2022, 05:48:11 AM
I live in north bend everything is saying thisIt's the "watershed" just like the Kent Valley is in the Green River "watershed". The actual "Tolt River Watershed" that is owned by the City of Seattle is still owned by the city and is closed to public access.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 08, 2022, 06:38:34 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 08, 2022, 06:49:05 AM
It's not closed to the natives for hunting, logging and such. Not a rant, just saying.I live in north bend everything is saying thisIt's the "watershed" just like the Kent Valley is in the Green River "watershed". The actual "Tolt River Watershed" that is owned by the City of Seattle is still owned by the city and is closed to public access.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 10, 2022, 06:41:12 AM
Post by: logger on February 10, 2022, 12:45:12 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on February 10, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
I say good for them especially if it was originally supposed to be part of their reservation. They probably think it sucks they had to buy it back.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 10, 2022, 01:29:12 PM
I say good for them especially if it was originally supposed to be part of their reservation. They probably think it sucks they had to buy it back.
Agreed. It was promised to them 90 years ago and never given. Good on them getting it back.
Post by: TriggerMike on October 03, 2024, 11:37:45 AM
Post by: stw on October 03, 2024, 04:42:49 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on October 03, 2024, 05:48:40 PM
Tulalip bought itSource? Not saying I dont believe you but would like to learn more. I wonder if that will piss the Snoqualmies off.
Post by: stw on October 03, 2024, 07:53:39 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 03, 2024, 09:03:16 PM
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Post by: jamesjett on October 03, 2024, 09:06:26 PM
Big money in timber and once the Muckleshoots bought the White River and other former Hancock pieces the other tribes got in on the timber frenzy.
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Yep! Just came out of there tonight. I noticed the gate up last Monday but no signs but it is clearly marked now. I have been hunting that area that will be closed since the late 80’s. They sold the best part in my opinion….
Post by: TriggerMike on October 03, 2024, 09:18:05 PM
Big money in timber and once the Muckleshoots bought the White River and other former Hancock pieces the other tribes got in on the timber frenzy.What do you think. They ever gonna let us access it and hunt it again or are non tribal members SOL now?
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Post by: bigtex on October 03, 2024, 09:19:19 PM
End of the day I get it, it's a private company/owner and they manage it for the timber and the $, and we're lucky to be allowed to recreate on the land. But boy it sure would be nice if the DNR would buy the land instead and be able to keep it somewhat accessible.Big money in timber and once the Muckleshoots bought the White River and other former Hancock pieces the other tribes got in on the timber frenzy.
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Yep! Just came out of there tonight. I noticed the gate up last Monday but no signs but it is clearly marked now. I have been hunting that area that will be closed since the late 80’s. They sold the best part in my opinion….
My young nephew shot his first few deer in this area, he'll never see that area again.
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Post by: bigtex on October 03, 2024, 09:20:09 PM
Highly doubt it.Big money in timber and once the Muckleshoots bought the White River and other former Hancock pieces the other tribes got in on the timber frenzy.What do you think. They ever gonna let us access it and hunt it again or are non tribal members SOL now?
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Post by: TriggerMike on October 03, 2024, 09:29:44 PM
Was good while it lasted. Hopefully the DNR doesn't sell the Marckworth to them because they're trying to buy that as well. I wonder if their goal is to buy the whole tree farm? Wouldn't be surprised if Callaghan Lake area or Hancock Lake area were next. I could see them trying to buy the whole east side of the farm.Highly doubt it.Big money in timber and once the Muckleshoots bought the White River and other former Hancock pieces the other tribes got in on the timber frenzy.What do you think. They ever gonna let us access it and hunt it again or are non tribal members SOL now?
Sad to see it for us old guys. Literally can't access areas we spent decades in.
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Post by: Whitefoot on October 04, 2024, 08:13:32 AM
I can see this becoming a bigger issue as time goes on. Just imagine something like Weyco selling the Vail tree farm to the Nisqually tribe and converting it over to reservation :yike:
Never understood how that is legal, it would be like China buying a parcel of land here. and having it become sovereign Chinese soil.
Post by: logola512c on October 04, 2024, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: jamesjett on October 04, 2024, 12:32:58 PM
I saw the sale sign when I was in there yesterday also. I totally understand why the tribes are buying the land, and I say good for them, but as a Seattle-based hunter, that timber property is about the only day-hunt game in town and it is getting smaller, chunk by chunk... I'm gonna lose my honey hole for bears also. There's a spot in that land that is being sold that I've shot 5 bears in the last 6 years. Kinda the definition of a good spot...
We must share the same honey hole....lol.
Post by: logola512c on October 04, 2024, 05:48:49 PM
I saw the sale sign when I was in there yesterday also. I totally understand why the tribes are buying the land, and I say good for them, but as a Seattle-based hunter, that timber property is about the only day-hunt game in town and it is getting smaller, chunk by chunk... I'm gonna lose my honey hole for bears also. There's a spot in that land that is being sold that I've shot 5 bears in the last 6 years. Kinda the definition of a good spot...
We must share the same honey hole....lol.
Most folks weren't willing to drive up there for whatever reason, but there were quite a few bears up that way...
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 04, 2024, 05:52:40 PM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on October 04, 2024, 06:30:30 PM
I'm assuming that as long as the casino money keeps flowing this will be an on-going thing. Tribes will eventually own most of the large tracts of private timberland in the state.Didnt everyone Watch Yellowstone, exactly the Plan The Tribes will simply buy up all of the open land then close it off and use other peaples money
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 04, 2024, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: Special T on October 04, 2024, 10:29:57 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 05, 2024, 05:37:15 AM
Perhaps they will stack up cougars like the Muckleshoot have on thier land. At least tribes can do predator managementSnoqualmie doesn't have treaty hunting rights, at least as of now.
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Post by: JakeLand on October 05, 2024, 05:56:22 AM
Well they are not the only tribe that has bought up chunks of old Weyerhauser/ Campbell,/Skykomish resources property. The Tulips have purchased a couple big chunks had the USFS put up a gate to end drive in access. Sign of things to come I fear.ya ancestor berry picking area , ya right that gate and sign is Bull$hat
Post by: Special T on October 05, 2024, 08:42:24 AM
.Perhaps they will stack up cougars like the Muckleshoot have on thier land. At least tribes can do predator managementSnoqualmie doesn't have treaty hunting rights, at least as of now.
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It's my understanding that tribes that own land that they extend reservation rights to don't need those treaty rights. The Kalispell tribe occasionally runs hounds on thier red and It's only 3k acres.
Post by: bigtex on October 05, 2024, 09:03:09 AM
It really comes down to letter of the law vs practicality..Perhaps they will stack up cougars like the Muckleshoot have on thier land. At least tribes can do predator managementSnoqualmie doesn't have treaty hunting rights, at least as of now.
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It's my understanding that tribes that own land that they extend reservation rights to don't need those treaty rights. The Kalispell tribe occasionally runs hounds on thier red and It's only 3k acres.
The timber lands these tribes buy aren't part of the actual reservations until they petition the BIA, and as far as I know none have done so. So technically they would have to follow treaty rights when hunting on these non-Reservation lands.
Now for the Snoqualmie's they don't have treaty rights, but are currently suing the state to get them.
Now is WDFW going to go patrol tribally owned land to ensure tribal members are following state law and not a (currently) void tribal hunting regs? Doubt it.
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Post by: jackelope on October 05, 2024, 03:57:32 PM
Quit going to the casinos, and other businesses and they won’t have the money to buy the land.
Haven’t been to a casino in years and won’t anytime soon.
Post by: bigtex on October 06, 2024, 09:06:38 AM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on October 06, 2024, 09:27:02 AM
Big money in land and timber. Access permits barely cover road maintenance.
Rayonier is unloading a ton of land as well. All my old Pope and Talbot spots will mostly be private in a year or two...if they already aren't.
Dwindling opportunities seems to the norm.
Post by: Moe the Sleaze on October 06, 2024, 11:31:24 AM
I never realized this was a thing on NATIONAL FOREST land.
Post by: HntnFsh on October 07, 2024, 05:47:36 AM
Quit going to the casinos, and other businesses and they won’t have the money to buy the land.
Haven’t been to a casino in years and won’t anytime soon.
Thats ok the government is always there to give them huge chunks of our money to help make up for those of us that dont frequent the Casinos!
Post by: bigtex on October 10, 2024, 04:00:03 PM
All,
For over a century the citizens of King County and elsewhere have had access to lands known as the Snoqualmie Tree Farm (also known as the Snoqualmie Forest.) Which was formerly a single large block of approximately 100,000 acres of timberland on the eastside of the Snoqualmie Valley stretching from just outside of North Bend all the way north into Snohomish County.
For almost a century these lands were owned by Weyerhaeuser which essentially allowed unfettered public access into the property. In the 1990s due to a rise of crime and other issues on the property Weyerhaeuser closed the access gates and required an access permit/pass to enter the property. Many families who accessed the property for decades prior continued to purchase the permit so they could fish, hike, hunt, mountain bike, and just explore the amazing forest just outside civilization. In the early 2000s Weyerhaeuser sold the property to Hancock which again continued with it’s own access permit/pass. Through the years prices went up, but so did the quantity of permits sold as the property became more and more known for it’s mountain biking and fishing opportunities.
Several years ago, Hancock sold the property to Campbell Global which now owns the property. Campbell Global instituted its own access permit/pass very similar to what previous owners utilized. In 2022 Campbell Global sold approximately 12,000 acres of the tree farm to the Snoqualmie Tribe signifying the largest land sale the Snoqualmie Tree Farm had seen in over 60 years. Now just this week I have been informed that Campbell Global has sold a similar sized parcel to another entity, essentially reducing the size of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm by 25% in just two years.
Now you may be asking what’s the big deal. As I previously mentioned, the public has had access to the Snoqualmie Tree Farm for essentially a century. For decades the property was wide open to public use, and for the past 30 or so years the property has been accessible via a permit. The Snoqualmie Tribe has already informed the public they have no plans to let the public access the property they purchased, and it appears the purchaser of the recent acquisition has similar plans to not let the public access the property. While I certainly understand these properties are private property and the owners can permit whatever access they want, I wish Campbell Global and community leaders would realize that the breaking up of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm means the public has less access a large forest just outside their doorstep.
When I informed my 85-year-old father of the recent land sale he began to cry, a scene I had only ever seen after the passing of his wife (my mother.) But when you understand what this property means to him, you’ll begin to understand why he got so emotional. He has memories as far back as the late 1940s fishing with his father and grandfather along the North Fork of the Tolt River in the tree farm, that area is now owned by the Snoqualmie Tribe. He has memories of hiking and hunting south of Bengston Lake, that area was just sold by Campbell Global. He has memories of hunting and spending summers bouncing around logging roads in the tree farm for every year he has been alive. Now that he knows he is near the end of his life he realizes going to the tree farm is like a walk down memory lane, except now many of those areas he is unable to access due to recent land sales. He can no longer go to the spot where he fished the NF of the Tolt River with his father and grandfather, he can no longer go see where he hiked and hunted near Bengston Lake. Now he’s limited to purchasing an access pass to the roughly 75% of the tree farm that is still owned by Campbell Global driving north, and stopping at a newly erected gate. Those areas are still there, he’s just not allowed to access it.
So again, why am I writing this? The reason is simple, to hopefully get the community involved and realize we are just a few more land sales away from losing access to the Snoqualmie Tree Farm for potentially ever. If you think I am blowing this out of proportion, I simply want to inform you of what happened to the White River Tree Farm along the King-Pierce County line along Highway 410.
For nearly 100 years the property was owned by Weyerhaeuser and sold to Hancock at nearly the same time the Snoqualmie Tree Farm was sold to Hancock. Much like the Snoqualmie Tree Farm, the White River Tree Farm had unfettered access for decades, until an access pass/permit system was instituted in the 1990s which Hancock continued.
In 2013 the Muckleshoot Indian Tribe (MIT) purchased the entire 105,000 acres White River Tree Farm and continued to allow public access under a permit system ran by Hancock. However, over the past decade the MIT began to reduce areas within the tree farm which were open to the public via the applicable access pass. Finally, in 2024 the MIT ceased issuing access permits/passes to the White River Tree Farm, locking out the public from 105,000 acres of land in Southern King and Northern Pierce counties.
Now some may say that they heard King County had purchased the Snoqualmie and/or White River Tree Farms, that’s partially correct. King County simply purchased the development rights for most of these properties, meaning these properties will essentially stay forest land forever, however they continued to be owned by other private/tribal entities. But what’s a forest if you can’t even step into it? Not even a National Park has that sort of protection! These areas will continue to be working timberlands, clearcut every few decades, just don’t think of stepping a onto foot onto the property!
So what can we do? In a perfect world, the State of Washington (Department of Natural Resources) could purchase the land, but with such a large forest I know that is doubtful. I truly think the best option is just trying to maintain that timberland owners need to let the public access the lands in some way or form. These lands will undoubtedly change hands again, hopefully whoever Campbell Global sells it to will let the public continue to access the beauty of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm.
Post by: TriggerMike on October 10, 2024, 04:51:11 PM
I was forwarded this email. It was sent out to elected officials in King County and statewide.Thanks for sharing. I'm not holding my breath tho. The bleeding heart Seattle liberals will always take the side of the Tribes who they see as having been horribly wronged by the always evil white man.
All,
For over a century the citizens of King County and elsewhere have had access to lands known as the Snoqualmie Tree Farm (also known as the Snoqualmie Forest.) Which was formerly a single large block of approximately 100,000 acres of timberland on the eastside of the Snoqualmie Valley stretching from just outside of North Bend all the way north into Snohomish County.
For almost a century these lands were owned by Weyerhaeuser which essentially allowed unfettered public access into the property. In the 1990s due to a rise of crime and other issues on the property Weyerhaeuser closed the access gates and required an access permit/pass to enter the property. Many families who accessed the property for decades prior continued to purchase the permit so they could fish, hike, hunt, mountain bike, and just explore the amazing forest just outside civilization. In the early 2000s Weyerhaeuser sold the property to Hancock which again continued with it’s own access permit/pass. Through the years prices went up, but so did the quantity of permits sold as the property became more and more known for it’s mountain biking and fishing opportunities.
Several years ago, Hancock sold the property to Campbell Global which now owns the property. Campbell Global instituted its own access permit/pass very similar to what previous owners utilized. In 2022 Campbell Global sold approximately 12,000 acres of the tree farm to the Snoqualmie Tribe signifying the largest land sale the Snoqualmie Tree Farm had seen in over 60 years. Now just this week I have been informed that Campbell Global has sold a similar sized parcel to another entity, essentially reducing the size of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm by 25% in just two years.
Now you may be asking what’s the big deal. As I previously mentioned, the public has had access to the Snoqualmie Tree Farm for essentially a century. For decades the property was wide open to public use, and for the past 30 or so years the property has been accessible via a permit. The Snoqualmie Tribe has already informed the public they have no plans to let the public access the property they purchased, and it appears the purchaser of the recent acquisition has similar plans to not let the public access the property. While I certainly understand these properties are private property and the owners can permit whatever access they want, I wish Campbell Global and community leaders would realize that the breaking up of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm means the public has less access a large forest just outside their doorstep.
When I informed my 85-year-old father of the recent land sale he began to cry, a scene I had only ever seen after the passing of his wife (my mother.) But when you understand what this property means to him, you’ll begin to understand why he got so emotional. He has memories as far back as the late 1940s fishing with his father and grandfather along the North Fork of the Tolt River in the tree farm, that area is now owned by the Snoqualmie Tribe. He has memories of hiking and hunting south of Bengston Lake, that area was just sold by Campbell Global. He has memories of hunting and spending summers bouncing around logging roads in the tree farm for every year he has been alive. Now that he knows he is near the end of his life he realizes going to the tree farm is like a walk down memory lane, except now many of those areas he is unable to access due to recent land sales. He can no longer go to the spot where he fished the NF of the Tolt River with his father and grandfather, he can no longer go see where he hiked and hunted near Bengston Lake. Now he’s limited to purchasing an access pass to the roughly 75% of the tree farm that is still owned by Campbell Global driving north, and stopping at a newly erected gate. Those areas are still there, he’s just not allowed to access it.
So again, why am I writing this? The reason is simple, to hopefully get the community involved and realize we are just a few more land sales away from losing access to the Snoqualmie Tree Farm for potentially ever. If you think I am blowing this out of proportion, I simply want to inform you of what happened to the White River Tree Farm along the King-Pierce County line along Highway 410.
For nearly 100 years the property was owned by Weyerhaeuser and sold to Hancock at nearly the same time the Snoqualmie Tree Farm was sold to Hancock. Much like the Snoqualmie Tree Farm, the White River Tree Farm had unfettered access for decades, until an access pass/permit system was instituted in the 1990s which Hancock continued.
In 2013 the Muckleshoot Indian Tribe (MIT) purchased the entire 105,000 acres White River Tree Farm and continued to allow public access under a permit system ran by Hancock. However, over the past decade the MIT began to reduce areas within the tree farm which were open to the public via the applicable access pass. Finally, in 2024 the MIT ceased issuing access permits/passes to the White River Tree Farm, locking out the public from 105,000 acres of land in Southern King and Northern Pierce counties.
Now some may say that they heard King County had purchased the Snoqualmie and/or White River Tree Farms, that’s partially correct. King County simply purchased the development rights for most of these properties, meaning these properties will essentially stay forest land forever, however they continued to be owned by other private/tribal entities. But what’s a forest if you can’t even step into it? Not even a National Park has that sort of protection! These areas will continue to be working timberlands, clearcut every few decades, just don’t think of stepping a onto foot onto the property!
So what can we do? In a perfect world, the State of Washington (Department of Natural Resources) could purchase the land, but with such a large forest I know that is doubtful. I truly think the best option is just trying to maintain that timberland owners need to let the public access the lands in some way or form. These lands will undoubtedly change hands again, hopefully whoever Campbell Global sells it to will let the public continue to access the beauty of the Snoqualmie Tree Farm.
Post by: Whitefoot on October 24, 2024, 03:16:33 PM
What shall they do with out you. lolQuit going to the casinos, and other businesses and they won’t have the money to buy the land.
Haven’t been to a casino in years and won’t anytime soon.