Post by: harveymarv on February 06, 2022, 06:47:43 PM
Sign and share if you agree. I'm not naive about the odds of success here - the goal is to send a message of consensus from consumptive conservationists to Commissioner Smith and those that care about votes, and revenue, and Washington's natural resources.
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Pretty sure WDFW hands are tied on the commission
:yeah: This isn't in WDFW hands. It's the governor and the legislature. Never hurts to let them know that the people they are supposed to be representing and working for aren't pleased with their performance though.
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I’m sure she will be tickled.
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Post by: bigtex on February 07, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Post by: Browndawg on February 07, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 07, 2022, 02:40:54 PM
Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Yes, really.
I seriously doubt all 170,000 hunters have seen it yet, or that more than 20% of them ever will. So 1000 signatures on the first full day is significant.
I also seriously doubt Lorna Smith will be inspired to resign no matter how many signatures this gathers. But Kim Thorburn will know her editorial didn't fall on deaf ears.
Of course, to your point, this is all just angry keyboard pounding until someone actually testifies at a meeting. That's where the real impact can be made. But if this petition represents a nod to Kim Thorburn's attempt to get hunters to speak up for themselves, and a small percentage who participate in this and see any reaction at all from the WDFW or council members are inspired to actually get up and DO something about it - will, this is then an unqualified success in my opinion.
Post by: mcrawfordaf on February 07, 2022, 03:09:11 PM
Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Its only been up for 20 hours... but sure lets go right to "your resistance is futile".
Post by: elkrack on February 07, 2022, 04:47:56 PM
Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Wow big Tex coming in hot with fine words of wisdom🙄. So do you think just sitting down and being quite is a better alternative? This state needs change big time
And yes I do understand that this petition probably wont do much but change has to start somewhere
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Post by: emac on February 07, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
Bigtex, you have always been a good contributor to this forum and I do believe you work for the wdfw in some capacity, I can't remember what though if it's a warden or something else. So I suspect you know alot of hunter and fisherman so why don't you help spread the word to people. I know there are alot of hunters and fishermen that don't have social media or check on stuff like this. So word of mouth is the only way. My only social media is this forum so if I wasn't a member here I would of never heard about this.Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Post by: wadu1 on February 07, 2022, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: HillHound on February 07, 2022, 08:01:00 PM
So in your expertise what would then??? We have to do something. Or should we all just poach that way we don’t care what rules they make up or change?? Or sit on the side lines till we can’t hunt at all? Don’t like either one so I’m going to bitch and Moan every time they do us wrong weather it falls on deaf ears or not. Kind of like voting for the president when our votes don’t matter Because the electoral college pics. But we all still vote so we have the right to bitch about whoever gets elected because we didn’t vote for them. But I suppose you didn’t vote for the presidency either because like you said it doesn’t make a difference, right?Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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Post by: saylean on February 07, 2022, 09:51:44 PM
Signed. Do I believe she’ll resign over this? No, but it might help the powers that be or send a strong message that we are following this commission from here on out.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 08, 2022, 06:46:11 AM
Post by: baker5150 on February 08, 2022, 07:23:41 AM
So in your expertise what would then??? We have to do something. Or should we all just poach that way we don’t care what rules they make up or change?? Or sit on the side lines till we can’t hunt at all? Don’t like either one so I’m going to bitch and Moan every time they do us wrong weather it falls on deaf ears or not. Kind of like voting for the president when our votes don’t matter Because the electoral college pics. But we all still vote so we have the right to bitch about whoever gets elected because we didn’t vote for them. But I suppose you didn’t vote for the presidency either because like you said it doesn’t make a difference, right?Getting close to 1000 signatures in a day. That's got to send a message :tup:Really?
WA is averaging around 170,000 hunting licenses sold the past few years. So not even 1% of hunters signed this petition. And on the fishing side WA sells around 650,000-700,000 licenses per year.
I understand and appreciate everyone's enthusiasm in signing the petition, but it's not going to actually do anything.
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We all know these Chang.org petitions don't do anything "stand alone". In fact, I'm not sure the person in question will ever even see it, or give a hoot.
If it gets enough signatures, it could become a tool in a box of evidence that "change" is needed. I would suggest adding the link in an email to my state representative.
However...
If it doesn't get many signatures, it could also prove that not many people want the change. Then used as proof to the contrary of the petition.
What that signature level is, I am not sure. But I would be hesitant to pass along any petitions that don't show an overwhelming result.
I've signed the petition, and added the link in an email to my state rep.
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on February 08, 2022, 09:04:45 AM
Post by: harveymarv on February 08, 2022, 09:46:15 AM
But I also didn't think Koontz would resign, and he did. He was susceptible to the pressure that was applied.
I also thought 2022 spring bear was a goner, but we got a change.org petition with 20,000+ signatures and 6 formal petitions, one of which was voted in and now rule/making/public comment might get us a 2022 season.
If we don't apply pressure and do nothing, I can guarantee Lorna will succeed with her agenda, which I think looks something like this:
Step 1 - Direct WWO for 10 years, try like hell to bring back grizzlies, ramp up wolf, black bear, and cougar populations. Progress wasn't fast enough, so pivoted to:
Step 2 - Run for Jefferson County Commissioner (was defeated)
Step 3 - Infiltrate the WDFW as a commissioner
Step 4 - Eliminate bear hunting. In May she introduced an addendum to add the year to the fall bear WAC, which I believe would have made a yearly commission rule-making/public comment period/commission vote necessary. Her addendum thankfully was shot down. She then succeeded in cancelling the spring bear season, and we've all seen how that is going...
Step 5 - Eliminate cougar hunting
Step 6 - When ungulate populations plummet from overpredation, cancel ungulate hunting.
Step 7 - Move up in government, cancel guns, etc?
There is no magic bullet to stop Lorna or the anti-hunter movement. This petition may just be one more arrow in the quiver, along with public comments, emails to the commission and our senators, petitions like the one from Marie Neumiller et al that might get spring bear back in the book for 2022, etc. If enough arrows are in the quiver, the media writes articles, podcasts, folks get pissed and open wallets to donate to hunting organizations and PAC's, politicians fear the loss of votes and (maybe lawsuits?) etc.. This petition might send a message to the other commission members about where the public stands.
Not everyone can or will send emails or testify in a public meeting. But it's relatively risk free and easy to click a vote button.
I'm still a hunting noob - just started 9 years ago, and I didn't start to get involved/educated about advocacy until spring bear was cancelled for this year (and there's a lot to learn about how things (don't) work in this state. I want my daughters to have opportunity to hunt and spend time in the outdoors with their old man.
Please sign and share - the more folks learn about this, the more likely they are to take effective action.
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on February 08, 2022, 12:45:54 PM
I have no illusions that Lorna will resign; this petition will likely make her dig her heels in. I also don't have any illusions about change.org - they are for profit, and their petitions are double edged swords, but have potential to help our cause here.
But I also didn't think Koontz would resign, and he did. He was susceptible to the pressure that was applied.
I also thought 2022 spring bear was a goner, but we got a change.org petition with 20,000+ signatures and 6 formal petitions, one of which was voted in and now rule/making/public comment might get us a 2022 season.
If we don't apply pressure and do nothing, I can guarantee Lorna will succeed with her agenda, which I think looks something like this:
GREAT POST!
Step 1 - Direct WWO for 10 years, try like hell to bring back grizzlies, ramp up wolf, black bear, and cougar populations. Progress wasn't fast enough, so pivoted to:
Step 2 - Run for Jefferson County Commissioner (was defeated)
Step 3 - Infiltrate the WDFW as a commissioner
Step 4 - Eliminate bear hunting. In May she introduced an addendum to add the year to the fall bear WAC, which I believe would have made a yearly commission rule-making/public comment period/commission vote necessary. Her addendum thankfully was shot down. She then succeeded in cancelling the spring bear season, and we've all seen how that is going...
Step 5 - Eliminate cougar hunting
Step 6 - When ungulate populations plummet from overpredation, cancel ungulate hunting.
Step 7 - Move up in government, cancel guns, etc?
There is no magic bullet to stop Lorna or the anti-hunter movement. This petition may just be one more arrow in the quiver, along with public comments, emails to the commission and our senators, petitions like the one from Marie Neumiller et al that might get spring bear back in the book for 2022, etc. If enough arrows are in the quiver, the media writes articles, podcasts, folks get pissed and open wallets to donate to hunting organizations and PAC's, politicians fear the loss of votes and (maybe lawsuits?) etc.. This petition might send a message to the other commission members about where the public stands.
Not everyone can or will send emails or testify in a public meeting. But it's relatively risk free and easy to click a vote button.
I'm still a hunting noob - just started 9 years ago, and I didn't start to get involved/educated about advocacy until spring bear was cancelled for this year (and there's a lot to learn about how things (don't) work in this state. I want my daughters to have opportunity to hunt and spend time in the outdoors with their old man.
Please sign and share - the more folks learn about this, the more likely they are to take effective action.
Post by: buckfvr on February 08, 2022, 01:32:28 PM
Post by: hunter399 on February 10, 2022, 08:43:36 PM
If/when she sees the petition, she will simply gain the spotlight or a microphone and deploy one of her "victim" cards. Count on it.The white privilege card or what. :chuckle:
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Post by: bracer40 on February 12, 2022, 07:03:48 AM
Signed. Its important everyone here does as well. Very easy.Super easy. The “Howl for Wildlife” petitions are also really easy and quick to sign. Not in your state or you don’t “do that kind of hunting”? Sign it anyway. The antis are coming after all hunting in every state. Starting with predators, hound hunting, etc. Do it for your kids or grandkids future…
Post by: NumaJohn on February 12, 2022, 09:09:27 AM
Thanks for alerting us to this petition.
John
Post by: hunt6226 on February 12, 2022, 09:59:28 AM
Thanks for posting!!
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Post by: GASoline71 on February 14, 2022, 08:21:01 AM
Gary
Post by: dreamingbig on February 14, 2022, 08:44:24 AM
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Post by: Bushcraft on February 14, 2022, 10:22:54 PM
As an aside, he's evidently comfortable calling complete strangers all manner of lovely words and goading them into fighting in grocery store parking lots. What a complete maroon! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: harveymarv on February 16, 2022, 09:56:39 AM
She's very aware of this petition. Her husband Darrell, the current Executive Director of Western Washington Outreach, told me so tonight.
As an aside, he's evidently comfortable calling complete strangers all manner of lovely words and goading them into fighting in grocery store parking lots. What a complete maroon! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
just submitted a public records request for lorna's emails over the last year containing the words "hunt, hunting, or hunter". it's a fishing expedition, and i'ver never submitted a public records request but i'll be sure to post any interesting outcomes on the ol interweb.
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Post by: dreamingbig on February 16, 2022, 09:50:31 PM
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Post by: harveymarv on February 19, 2022, 05:12:58 AM
https://publicinput.com/SpringBearPetition102
also please sign and share the petition demanding Lorna Smith’s resignation; she is one of the roots of the problem!
https://www.change.org/p/lorna-smith-demand-lorna-smith-resign-from-washington-dept-of-fish-and-wildlife-wdfw-commission-d4f70a10-ce34-431a-9e16-43e3d97c5995?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_32290698_en-US%3A3&recruiter=1237191552&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 19, 2022, 07:56:32 AM
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Post by: dreamingbig on February 21, 2022, 07:54:36 AM
This petition supports the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission's decision to halt the Spring Bear Hunt and acts as a reassurance to the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission that an overwhelming number of their stakeholders are against spring bear hunting.
We commend the four commissioners who chose to listen to the majority of their stakeholders and based their decision on ethics and science, not special interests.
Spring bear hunts in Washington are exceptionally cruel since trophy hunters can kill mother bears and cubs, and the season starts as mother bears and cubs are most vulnerable emerging from their dens following hibernation. If trophy hunters kill a mother bear and spare her cubs, they will likely die without their mother present. During springtime, bears search for early spring vegetation, making them easy targets for bear trophy hunters who scout out locations abundant in natural food sources and wait for the hungry bears to arrive. As an umbrella species, bears play a significant role in our forest ecosystems. Many other species rely on their existence. Bears are also responsible for a vital amount of seed dispersal, dispersing more seeds than birds. When bear populations decline, so do the number of plant species found in their ecosystems.
For all of the reasons listed above, we, the undersigned, urge the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission to proceed with a permanent ban on spring bear hunting in their state.
Email the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Commissioners and tell them that you oppose the spring bear hunt.
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Post by: buckfvr on February 21, 2022, 08:27:58 AM
The state of affairs in this country proves somewhere around half the people are incapable of their own thinking and run with the information/false information they are fed on social media.
It works for everything from special agendas to the presidential election. It's a coin toss most of the time but currently seems to be leaning in the favor of the misinformed.
There is a bunch of folks out there with nothing to do but respond to calls for action from special interest groups that are ripe with special agenda misinformation and somehow, they seem to pull the nonthinkers out of the woodwork.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 21, 2022, 08:32:50 AM
Post by: saylean on February 21, 2022, 04:07:22 PM
Here is another way to instantly contact your reps and tell them not to confirm Lorna and others.
Post by: buckfvr on February 21, 2022, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: KNOPHISH on February 21, 2022, 04:59:18 PM
Bears are also responsible for a vital amount of seed dispersal, dispersing more seeds than birds. When bear populations decline, so do the number of plant species found in their ecosystems.
Seeds? Cmon man, Really? Insert swear words :bash:
Post by: Rob on February 21, 2022, 05:16:23 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 21, 2022, 05:55:55 PM
You can’t make up their level of stupid.Bears are also responsible for a vital amount of seed dispersal, dispersing more seeds than birds. When bear populations decline, so do the number of plant species found in their ecosystems.
Seeds? Cmon man, Really? Insert swear words :bash:
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Post by: highcountry_hunter on February 21, 2022, 06:09:09 PM
I think there should be a public comment period as part of the vetting process for any and all potential new commissioners. They need to be publicly identified as part of the process.
Public comment from Washington state residents who have are license purchasing sportsmen.
Post by: duckmen1 on February 21, 2022, 06:34:43 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on February 22, 2022, 09:27:09 PM
This is insanity that we have to even defend ourselves against any of this. :bash:
Gary
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 22, 2022, 10:18:16 PM
Bears are also responsible for a vital amount of seed dispersal, dispersing more seeds than birds. When bear populations decline, so do the number of plant species found in their ecosystems.
Seeds? Cmon man, Really? Insert swear words :bash:
Think about why they say bears disperse seeds, it tugs at the tree huggers and uneducated about how bears help plant species survive. And who wants to not save plants on those circles, plus cuddley cute little bears get to survive while helping all the plants survive better. It’s a win win for all the tree hugging snowflake dumb kesters of the state.🤬