Post by: mburrows on February 15, 2022, 07:16:39 PM
This is due to such an influx of new applicants into the draw and fact 75% of tags go to preference point holders and 25% of tags go to people without preference points. If the 25% went unfilled, they went back into the preference point pool.
I think is what its saying is they project far fewer people with zero preference points to apply than people with preference points.
Also the cost of a preference point went up to $100 from $50.
Post by: jjhunter on February 15, 2022, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: mburrows on February 15, 2022, 07:34:26 PM
This is all based on last years applicant numbers but still, interesting and not awesome for a guy with one preference such as myself.
Post by: jstone on February 15, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 15, 2022, 08:12:01 PM
Post by: jjhunter on February 15, 2022, 08:18:51 PM
New this year also is you will lose your PP if you go consecutive years without applying. Previously you could buy points for 2 years without applying.
I don’t think that’s new….I lost mine a couple years ago when I didn’t apply?
Post by: nwhunter on February 15, 2022, 08:48:07 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 15, 2022, 09:23:00 PM
prior to this year you would lose them on year 3. So you could buy two but if you didn't apply on year 3 you lost them.New this year also is you will lose your PP if you go consecutive years without applying. Previously you could buy points for 2 years without applying.
I don’t think that’s new….I lost mine a couple years ago when I didn’t apply?
Post by: Dan-o on February 15, 2022, 09:53:19 PM
Am I really better off than the guys with 1 PP?
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2022, 07:50:30 AM
The big question this year is will everyone not buy points because of these odds? Will people not buy points because they are now $100? What effect will the line jumping by guided folks have on the tag pool? Let's not forget the volume of guys going into the draw with 2pts this year. 🤔
Post by: jjhunter on February 16, 2022, 08:21:19 AM
prior to this year you would lose them on year 3. So you could buy two but if you didn't apply on year 3 you lost them.New this year also is you will lose your PP if you go consecutive years without applying. Previously you could buy points for 2 years without applying.
I don’t think that’s new….I lost mine a couple years ago when I didn’t apply?
Ok, that makes sense! I was pissed off! :chuckle:
Post by: vandeman17 on February 16, 2022, 08:37:16 AM
As hunts numbers show, there was a ton of 1 point applicants. We know MT allocates 75% of tags to the folks with the highest points and 25% of tags to the no point folks. Since most folks bought a point apparently, the odds ended up being better in the 25% tag pool.
The big question this year is will everyone not buy points because of these odds? Will people not buy points because they are now $100? What effect will the line jumping by guided folks have on the tag pool? Let's not forget the volume of guys going into the draw with 2pts this year. 🤔
I think it all adds up to less people drawing this year, especially those without an outfitter. Might see more local hunting pressure here in WA for all those that don't draw other states
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
I feel you there. I did it in WY many years ago. Still hurts to this day 😪prior to this year you would lose them on year 3. So you could buy two but if you didn't apply on year 3 you lost them.New this year also is you will lose your PP if you go consecutive years without applying. Previously you could buy points for 2 years without applying.
I don’t think that’s new….I lost mine a couple years ago when I didn’t apply?
Ok, that makes sense! I was pissed off! :chuckle:
Post by: jamesfromseattle on February 16, 2022, 09:36:50 AM
My understanding is that in Montana you can buy preference points the same year you apply. So if someone currently has one point (such as myself) they can buy another point and then put in for the 2022 drawing with 2 points? I.e. there are very good odds if you are only planning on hunting every other year.
And if you currently have 0 points, you can opt for the 0 points pool or the 1 point pool?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2022, 10:19:40 AM
Please forgive my elementary question, but I'm a little confused about how to count the number of preference points for the general licenses.you are correct.
My understanding is that in Montana you can buy preference points the same year you apply. So if someone currently has one point (such as myself) they can buy another point and then put in for the 2022 drawing with 2 points? I.e. there are very good odds if you are only planning on hunting every other year.
And if you currently have 0 points, you can opt for the 0 points pool or the 1 point pool?
Post by: Stein on February 16, 2022, 10:54:02 AM
I think it's going to backfire on them, less revenue when people stop buying the points.
There are other changes as well, most increasing costs which isn't a surprise.
Post by: cougfan79 on February 16, 2022, 12:36:07 PM
If I can once again purchase a preference point at the time of application then I feel a little better because I currently have 1. Was this a change under the new rules also, I thought they took away that option a while back and made you purchase said preference points July-Sept?
Aaron
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2022, 12:51:35 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 16, 2022, 01:43:57 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2022, 01:55:07 PM
Can you purchase a point when applying and another after July 1?no. Only 1 per license year.