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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on February 25, 2022, 05:55:51 PM
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Going in with 13 pts for everything in UTAH, seems like no man land once again. I think I am gonna start cashing out pts and trying to get some good to average hunts because point creep across the west is real and chasing great hunts is all but over.
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This is one of the reasons I’m switching to mostly bird hunting.
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This is one of the reasons I’m switching to mostly bird hunting.
It's not just point creep for me. The "good" hunts are overhyped. I have had the best success on "marginal" hunts.
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This is one of the reasons I’m switching to mostly bird hunting.
It's not just point creep for me. The "good" hunts are overhyped. I have had the best success on "marginal" hunts.
I tend to agree with you. Cost is another big reason for me.
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I'm in
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I'm in for deer and elk.
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This is one of the reasons I’m switching to mostly bird hunting.
It's not just point creep for me. The "good" hunts are overhyped. I have had the best success on "marginal" hunts.
. Wise words
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I am planning to put in. Just waiting a few more days. Your hunting license is good for 365 days & if you time it right you only need to buy a hunting license every other yr. If you get lucky & draw, you will need to have a hunting license for the current yr though.
I think there is a huge bubble of guys with 13 pts. I think that is when they changed the appl process so you could apply for 3 species instead of only one so a bunch of guys jumped in. I'm also in this group for Elk/Antelope. There's always the bonus point draw.
That's my take anyhow. Good luck!
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I am planning to put in. Just waiting a few more days. Your hunting license is good for 365 days & if you time it right you only need to buy a hunting license every other yr. If you get lucky & draw, you will need to have a hunting license for the current yr though.
I think there is a huge bubble of guys with 13 pts. I think that is when they changed the appl process so you could apply for 3 species instead of only one so a bunch of guys jumped in. I'm also in this group for Elk/Antelope. There's always the bonus point draw.
That's my take anyhow. Good luck!
Won’t work this time around. They’re moving the draw to April/May next year.
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I am planning to put in. Just waiting a few more days. Your hunting license is good for 365 days & if you time it right you only need to buy a hunting license every other yr. If you get lucky & draw, you will need to have a hunting license for the current yr though.
I think there is a huge bubble of guys with 13 pts. I think that is when they changed the appl process so you could apply for 3 species instead of only one so a bunch of guys jumped in. I'm also in this group for Elk/Antelope. There's always the bonus point draw.
That's my take anyhow. Good luck!
Won’t work this time around. They’re moving the draw to April/May next year.
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Yep
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I am planning to put in. Just waiting a few more days. Your hunting license is good for 365 days & if you time it right you only need to buy a hunting license every other yr. If you get lucky & draw, you will need to have a hunting license for the current yr though.
I think there is a huge bubble of guys with 13 pts. I think that is when they changed the appl process so you could apply for 3 species instead of only one so a bunch of guys jumped in. I'm also in this group for Elk/Antelope. There's always the bonus point draw.
That's my take anyhow. Good luck!
Won’t work this time around. They’re moving the draw to April/May next year.
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Darn! Looks like I'll need to buy 2 yrs in a row. Then back to my every other yr plan. :tup:
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Getting drawn in Utah is like a lightning strike or maybe a July snow storm in Phoenix. In as well but zero expectations! Utah is a true lotto.
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Getting drawn in Utah is like a lightning strike or maybe a July snow storm in Phoenix. In as well but zero expectations! Utah is a true lotto.
The creep is real. Put in for hunts that take 2 or 3 points less to draw than last year and you might have a chance.
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Anybody think there is a possibility the current state of the economy lessens demand? I mean inflation is off the charts and everybody seemingly has just a little less to spend

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Anybody think there is a possibility the current state of the economy lessens demand? I mean inflation is off the charts and everybody seemingly has just a little less to spend
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Nope, it will probably make some double down as they are thinking the same way you are. The number of hunters is up across the west and point creep will continue this year. Most of us that are applying for these hunts aren't living paycheck to paycheck, so I think it will have little to no impact on the number of people who apply. :twocents:
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:yeah:
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Can you buy points now for Utah?
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I just did my apps today and I believe there was a link for pts only vs Archery, muzz, any weapon options.
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Can you buy points now for Utah?
Yes
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I never swing for the fences in UT hunts. Almost all the elk permits are going to be fantastic hunts unless you are trying to kill 380+ bulls. Im fine hunting lots of elk and a opportunity to kill a 330 or so bull.
Cant draw without applying! I drew book cliffs mule deer with 5 points
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funny, swing for the fences LOL, swinging is still better odds even if there is one awesome bull tag and a random permit with 1 to 750 odds. Still better than 20 pts in Washington. I drew a unit 27 Arizona muzz bull tag with a random odds draw. You can't win if you don't play, but playing is getting really hard these days :)
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Putting in for a LE Elk Unit in Utah with 19 points and the newly posted odds have it down to 25%. The point creep is real. Two years ago the odds were 75% to draw this tag. You have to be smart and play the game. Do the research as there are some sleeper units in Utah that are holding some 320-350 bulls with 13-14 points to draw!
Good luck boys!
Bryant
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Anybody think there is a possibility the current state of the economy lessens demand? I mean inflation is off the charts and everybody seemingly has just a little less to spend
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Anytime the economy goes south apps drop. If I was to bet I would bet apps drop across the west this year.
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Anybody think there is a possibility the current state of the economy lessens demand? I mean inflation is off the charts and everybody seemingly has just a little less to spend
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Anytime the economy goes south apps drop. If I was to bet I would bet apps drop across the west this year.
Has the economy went south? I made more money through the bs COVID stuff last year than I've ever made. With all the free government handouts, I don't think anyone (outside of landlords and business owners) has really been hurt in the pocketbook yet. Give it a few more months for inflation to catch up (should really start to hurt after app season) and I bet people start to feel it. From the guys I know that hunt, everyone seems to be all in even though I hope you're right.
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And MT upped the NR point fee from $50 to $100. This year will be the last I hunt in MT most likely.
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funny, swing for the fences LOL, swinging is still better odds even if there is one awesome bull tag and a random permit with 1 to 750 odds. Still better than 20 pts in Washington. I drew a unit 27 Arizona muzz bull tag with a random odds draw. You can't win if you don't play, but playing is getting really hard these days :)
Ive drawn 3 quality elk tags in WA and none in UT. I have better odds in WA than UT
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Anybody think there is a possibility the current state of the economy lessens demand? I mean inflation is off the charts and everybody seemingly has just a little less to spend
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Anytime the economy goes south apps drop. If I was to bet I would bet apps drop across the west this year.
Has the economy went south? I made more money through the bs COVID stuff last year than I've ever made. With all the free government handouts, I don't think anyone (outside of landlords and business owners) has really been hurt in the pocketbook yet. Give it a few more months for inflation to catch up (should really start to hurt after app season) and I bet people start to feel it. From the guys I know that hunt, everyone seems to be all in even though I hope you're right.
Stock markets are down close to or over 10% so far this year. People aren't going back to jobs they quit because of covid and unemployment benefits have ran out. Read an article the other day that most of the people that haven't returned to work are mostly women and they have no plans of returning back to work. So that's going to cause a lot of family's going from 2 incomes to 1. Gas prices are getting bad and are only going to continue to get worse. BBB sounds like it's dead so no more covid checks coming. And inflation is driving the price of a lot of things up. Maybe it will be a couple more months before people really feel it but I know a few guys that are already not planning to go out of state this year because of what they think gas prices will be by this fall.
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Getting drawn in Utah is like a lightning strike or maybe a July snow storm in Phoenix. In as well but zero expectations! Utah is a true lotto.
It's pretty easy to get drawn in Utah. I've been drawn the last 2 years. You just have to put in for general season deer. 


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What is the last day to buy a point
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Seems like it's getting late, I'd of thought we'd have results by now!
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Seems like it's getting late, I'd of thought we'd have results by now!
you're a month early still
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Seems like it's getting late, I'd of thought we'd have results by now!
you're a month early still
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Seems like it's getting late, I'd of thought we'd have results by now!
you're a month early still
classic :chuckle:
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Anyone have their card hit yet? Really wanted results before finalizing Nevada today.
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Was just down in Utah for a few days staying with a brother who is a very active hunter, gets out and about a lot. Warned that the drought has really changed some areas and really knocked the numbers of big game down in some units. It's bad in the south and central part of the state. He honestly thinks they should have reduced permit numbers more than they did.
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Ok, did he get a charge on his credit card……
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Ok, did he get a charge on his credit card……
no-didn't put in this year. Area we've hunted for years is critically low on deer this year. But nephew who put in says no card hit yet
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Apparently they’re hitting cards now
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Nothing for me yet.
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Just got pending charges for a general season deer tag.
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Late rifle elk for me
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Looks like my dad drew West Desert Vernon Muzzy Buck. He will be 75 years old this hunting season.
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Looks like my dad drew West Desert Vernon Muzzy Buck. He will be 75 years old this hunting season.
Tag I apply for , will be interested in how it turns out
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Looks like my dad drew West Desert Vernon Muzzy Buck. He will be 75 years old this hunting season.
Tag I apply for , will be interested in how it turns out
I will let you know. Good luck on your hunt.
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Just got my email from Utah. "Unsuccessful" all around! Better luck to everyone!
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I struck out too
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Swing and a miss 8)
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Looks like my dad drew West Desert Vernon Muzzy Buck. He will be 75 years old this hunting season.
AWESOME TAG, congrats! Good glassing unit, you will likely do spot and stalk. Lots of deer. Your dad will have fun.
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I cant find my draw results and didnt get any email? when I go to drawing history there is nothing for 2022? I applied and have my receipt and checked my card and got billed. So doesn't look like I was even in draw? Does everyone else's draw history show 2022 apps in there?
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I cant find my draw results and didnt get any email? when I go to drawing history there is nothing for 2022? I applied and have my receipt and checked my card and got billed. So doesn't look like I was even in draw? Does everyone else's draw history show 2022 apps in there?
Same boat here
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Those are not on site. I just got my email. My wife was around 2pm. They may not show until late tonight still
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Crazy. I could see them not showing up if just credit card hits were popping up but if they sent out the emails then by all means they should be showing up? Might be a bug? Redraw? Or they can just give me the bull tag I was hoping for lol
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Just got my unsuccessful email :(
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Emails take awhile to get out to everyone, like this every year. Last 2 years my wife had gotten one hours before me
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Unsuccessful on all....
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Just got mine. No luck for me.
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Nada for the wife and myself.
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Nothing for me.
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We struck out as well.
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Nothing for my dad or I.
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Still haven't received an email. But still have a pending charge so no news is good news.
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Nevermind. It was in my spam folder. Drew a general muzzy deer tag.
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Drawing NR tags is Christmas coming early for hunters! Congrats!! :tup: