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Title: MT nonresident tags
Post by: gasman on April 11, 2022, 05:16:41 PM
So was reading an article put out by Eastmans a few weeks ago and it discussed the number of  "nonresident " tags.
MT taps the NR at 10%, but that does not include the other categories like "come home to hunt" etc....
The article stated that their were over 69k NR hunters last year combined (all categories but resident).

Now i have only been to MT twice so far and always hear from residents that their are to many "out of staters" ruining the hubting in the state. Now i have not seen the high hunting pressures yet, both trips we seen very few other hunters (public and private lands) compared to Washington.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 11, 2022, 05:20:00 PM
Its the standard excuse residents use for sucking at hunting and consistently not killing anything. Its the same in every state.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 11, 2022, 06:06:28 PM
The best part about Montana resident hunters is they like their roads.


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 11, 2022, 06:37:44 PM
There’s a reason for that
Big country
Good optics
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: gasman on April 11, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
I could not imagine their complaint, my thoughts are, hunt WA, then come talk to me..... granted we did not see great deer numbers on public land last year, but massive amounts of deer hanging on private property in crop fields. I will bet we seen 1000+ deer in a 10 mile stretch of highway just outside of town in crop fields.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 11, 2022, 09:30:46 PM
It’s fantastic hunting
I’ve been 3 times 3 nice bucks and a nice antelope
This year elk and deer and antelope hopefully 🤞
Last trip took 5 old guys
All had chances on nice deer
Only 1 guy held out
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: huntnnw on April 11, 2022, 10:07:19 PM
I drive thru MT to get to my ID areas and I would see almost nobody on 25 miles of dirt roads. I had to look up the MT regs and see if there was a season in that unit .Sure enough it was open  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: follow maggie on April 12, 2022, 02:42:46 PM
Standard complaint of locals everywhere. It’s just a lot easier to blame something than it is to put in the work. People here in North Dakota make the same excuse/complaint, and when I’m out I literally see no one.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: NumaJohn on April 12, 2022, 02:49:47 PM
As a native Montanan who still hunts in that state, my experience lately has been that if anything is going to "ruin" hunting there, it will be the billionaire New Jersey governor (Gianforte) who far prefers favoring his wealthy cronies to honoring Montana's longstanding hunter heritage for residents and non-residents alike.

And of course the problem with managing elk that are over-objective (by a variety of metrics, including landowners' subjectivity) in GMUs where certain landowners won't cooperate with MT FWP and allow public access to the elk that seek refuge on those private lands. But I'm a broken record to a narrative that has been unfolding in Montana over at least the past three decades...

John
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Stein on April 12, 2022, 02:55:30 PM
If there was one nonresident hunter in Montana, there would be 500 people complaining about it.  If they can't find a NR, they just find someone with a county plate from more than one county away and complain about them invading "their" spots.  Hasn't changed since I was the one complaining in the 90s.

The hotels, gas stations, restaurants, etc..... seem to enjoy having us over though.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: WSU on April 12, 2022, 03:05:50 PM
I saw lots of people last year (my first year) from montana and lots of other states.  I saw maybe 2 people in a week in places you couldn't drive a  vehicle to. 
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Twispriver on April 12, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
I was invited into a long standing established camp in Montana as the only nonresident and have always been made to feel welcome. Once they found out what I pay for tags everyone roots for me to fill them and have been very helpful. Maybe a unique situation but nobody seems to mind me being there (but now I'm starting to wonder if it's just because I bring lots of smoked salmon, homemade pickles, jam and summer sausage).
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: gasman on April 12, 2022, 03:47:09 PM
Last year we were lucky enough to meet a landowner that invited us to shoot all the deer we had tags for, get as many deer off their property as possible, we took 4 deer, 2 bucks and 2 does. And seen an enormous amount of phesant too. Got the invite to come back and hunt any time, deer or phesant  :tup:

If i dont draw A tag, i may just go over with a doe tag or two in my pocket and phesant hunt this year..... I'm their for.meat...
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: idaho guy on April 12, 2022, 07:05:01 PM
If there was one nonresident hunter in Montana, there would be 500 people complaining about it.  If they can't find a NR, they just find someone with a county plate from more than one county away and complain about them invading "their" spots.  Hasn't changed since I was the one complaining in the 90s.

The hotels, gas stations, restaurants, etc..... seem to enjoy having us over though.
   

 :yeah: I still have a lot of family in lincoln county-You should hear them bitch about flatheaders!!  :chuckle: As you probably know lincoln and flathead county are right next to each other and one of those flatheaders may have only driven 5 minutes to hunt or fish in lincoln county. The nerve of those guys crossing that county line to hunt ha ha. I find it entertaining since I was a former flatheader. 1 hunter you don't personally know is WAY too many for a Montanan. Hunting pressure is very subjective   
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 12, 2022, 09:48:15 PM
As a native Montanan who still hunts in that state, my experience lately has been that if anything is going to "ruin" hunting there, it will be the billionaire New Jersey governor (Gianforte) who far prefers favoring his wealthy cronies to honoring Montana's longstanding hunter heritage for residents and non-residents alike.

And of course the problem with managing elk that are over-objective (by a variety of metrics, including landowners' subjectivity) in GMUs where certain landowners won't cooperate with MT FWP and allow public access to the elk that seek refuge on those private lands. But I'm a broken record to a narrative that has been unfolding in Montana over at least the past three decades...

John
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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Tbob on April 14, 2022, 06:59:18 AM
Ive been to MT 3 times now and have never experienced anybody giving me heck for being a NR. I hunt quite a bit of BMA’s and all the ranchers I have met have all been super nice and friendly and even have pointed me in areas where they’ll likely be some deer hiding out. I also love that if I get out of my truck I’ll likely see very few people. I did happen to run into two members from here out there one time though. Lol. Also great guys!!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Stein on April 14, 2022, 07:23:55 AM
I will say the wardens I have ran into in MT have been the most professional and hunter friendly I have seen in the many states I frequent.  I might be lucky in the area I hunt, but they have been incredibly helpful, responsive to any questions and quick to act and fair when it gets western.  The couple times I have reached out I got a call back or return e-mail right away and clear answers.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Shooter4 on April 14, 2022, 07:33:34 AM
Historically past 2 years the draws been today anywhere from 10-1 anticipation is real
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2022, 08:20:26 AM
Says drawing in process now when I check, previously said pending I believe…today could be the day!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Shooter4 on April 14, 2022, 08:29:31 AM
Says drawing in process now when I check, previously said pending I believe…today could be the day!
where do you see this
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2022, 08:31:13 AM
On the fwp page -> look up draw results
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Shooter4 on April 14, 2022, 08:32:51 AM
On the fwp page -> look up draw results
gotcha yeah sure as *censored*
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 08:36:09 AM
Their app isn't working currently. Must be loading all the tags I pulled  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 14, 2022, 09:17:48 AM
You must not know this but WA hunting also sucks because of non resident hunters.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 09:43:24 AM
MyFWP shows draw in progress
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: grundy53 on April 14, 2022, 09:46:19 AM
You can check the back door.
https://myfwp.mt.gov/fwpExtPortal/searchHunters_input.action

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: grundy53 on April 14, 2022, 09:46:40 AM
Looks like I drew with 2 points

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 14, 2022, 09:48:39 AM
Looks like I drew deer with 2 points.  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: SuperX on April 14, 2022, 09:51:38 AM
Big Game Combo... partner and I both drew with 2 points   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: wannabhntr on April 14, 2022, 09:55:38 AM
This is good news. I thought I read somewhere that it didn't take place until June.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
We drew deer and elk plus elk limited entry
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
The spreadsheet for mine says both unsuccessful and successful so I think I need to wait🤞
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Sakko300wsm on April 14, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
Mine still says draw is in process
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 10:12:05 AM
Gotta use the backdoor search at this point.

Madmax i think you're reading it wrong. Only part you need to concern yourself is under "active items held for 2022 license year."
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Shooter4 on April 14, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
I drew 270 for deer
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 10:13:01 AM
The spreadsheet for mine says both unsuccessful and successful so I think I need to wait🤞

open it as a pdf
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2022, 10:13:46 AM
I drew 270 for deer

Did you really? Any deer tag?
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 10:15:27 AM
The spreadsheet for mine says both unsuccessful and successful so I think I need to wait🤞

open it as a pdf

I did
Still says same as excel
Thanks
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
Whats it list under active licenses?
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 10:20:53 AM
General big game combo released General deer general elk so looks like we got it excellent
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 10:23:38 AM
General big game combo released General deer general elk so looks like we got it excellent
nice! Congrats!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: halibut herb on April 14, 2022, 10:24:13 AM
Found this on a different website. Explains what the "released" means. I had the same confusion :)

" I called to talk to someone and they were busy but the recording said that if it says you were successful released it means that you didn’t intially get drawn but the people who entered into limited draw units and didnt get picked released their tags and then you got drawn.

TLDR:If it says you got a released tag you got a tag. "

Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 10:26:34 AM
General big game combo released General deer general elk so looks like we got it excellent
nice! Congrats!
Thanks
Old guys with guns in Montana oh boy👍👍👍👍
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 10:43:07 AM
General big game combo released General deer general elk so looks like we got it excellent
nice! Congrats!
Thanks
Old guys with guns in Montana oh boy👍👍👍👍
Dad and I pulled deer/elk combos so I'm bringing one more old guy with a gun  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: wooltie on April 14, 2022, 10:44:29 AM
we didn't draw big game combo with 1 pref point
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 14, 2022, 10:47:15 AM
Drew combo again 3rd year in a row :hello:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: muleyman on April 14, 2022, 10:48:33 AM
No go for deer combo with 1 point
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 10:54:30 AM
I should add that we went in with zero points to draw our deer/elk
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Colville on April 14, 2022, 10:59:14 AM
Says draw is running?

 Warning: The drawing is in process. Your results will be shown after the drawing is complete
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 14, 2022, 11:02:22 AM
I should add that we went in with zero points to draw our deer/elk
i don't think,a,lot of people knew about the changes
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 11:04:26 AM
I should add that we went in with zero points to draw our deer/elk
i don't think,a,lot of people knew about the changes

agreed. I bet after this year, things will change
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Shooter4 on April 14, 2022, 11:05:59 AM
I should add that we went in with zero points to draw our deer/elk
and you got drawn for quality too? Lol
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 11:08:02 AM
I should add that we went in with zero points to draw our deer/elk
and you got drawn for quality too? Lol

we had 6 bonus points for elk but zero preference points
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Brushbuster on April 14, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Think I was really lucky! I drew the Big Game Combo & my Elk Permit. Wow, my 2022 plans have just been turned upside down!

DRAWINGS:
 No pending license/permit drawings for 2022.
 Successful Drawing Results:
 2022 ELK PERMIT
 - 411-20 was your 1st choice
 - 411-20 was your 1<sup>st</sup> choice
 - 411-20 was your 1<sup>st</sup> choice
 2022 GENERAL - BIG GAME COMBO
 Unsuccessful Drawing Results:
 2022 DEER PERMIT
 - 270-50 was your 1st choice
 - 270-50 was your 1<sup>st</sup> choice
 - 270-50 was your 1<sup>st</sup> choice

Add me to the old farts going list. I'll be 70 this yr. This will be the 2nd time ever for elk in MT.

Good luck everyone hope we get a lot of HW members in MT this yr.  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Is this code for out of luck?  Try again next year?

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 11:11:46 AM
I'll be surprised to see anyone with 1pt draw this year. Deer it should have been physically impossible.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: grundy53 on April 14, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
Says draw is running?

 Warning: The drawing is in process. Your results will be shown after the drawing is complete
You have to use that link I posted earlier

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: grundy53 on April 14, 2022, 11:14:36 AM
Is this code for out of luck?  Try again next year?

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Twispriver on April 14, 2022, 11:26:10 AM
Deer and elk combo for me
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Cougeyes on April 14, 2022, 11:30:26 AM
I'll be surprised to see anyone with 1pt draw this year. Deer it should have been physically impossible.

I drew deer with 1 point as a group with one guy. At least that's what the backdoor results show, i'll confirm once its actually posted on their website. I figured I had little to no chance of drawing.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: mp.hunter on April 14, 2022, 11:32:29 AM
1 PT NOT selected deer


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
Is this code for out of luck?  Try again next year?

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bustedoldman on April 14, 2022, 11:36:57 AM
Drew Deer combo...........
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
I'll be surprised to see anyone with 1pt draw this year. Deer it should have been physically impossible.

I drew deer with 1 point as a group with one guy. At least that's what the backdoor results show, i'll confirm once its actually posted on their website. I figured I had little to no chance of drawing.
and your partner had 1pt?
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: JakeLand on April 14, 2022, 12:05:37 PM
Shows me and 2 buddies drew and 2 buddies didn’t draw we all put in separate
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Fishemdeep3542 on April 14, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
Our party of 3 drew successful with 2 preference points.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: muleycrazy on April 14, 2022, 12:22:46 PM
My buddy and I drew deer combo with one pt. This will be our first trip to Montana for deer. Yahoo!!!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Fishmaker57 on April 14, 2022, 12:24:35 PM
Drew the Big Game Combo!

 :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 12:25:19 PM
General big game combo released General deer general elk so looks like we got it excellent
nice! Congrats!
Thanks
Old guys with guns in Montana oh boy👍👍👍👍

its official   :tup:
Party of 5
Big game combo
selected
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: grundy53 on April 14, 2022, 12:25:27 PM
Official results are posted

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: huntnnw on April 14, 2022, 12:29:16 PM
Opted to go in with 0 points and drew big game combo
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dvolmer on April 14, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Brotherman on April 14, 2022, 12:39:10 PM
Our party of 5 drew Deer Combo with 2 points!!!!  Here we come!!  :rockin:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 12:39:24 PM
Official results are posted

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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 14, 2022, 12:41:38 PM
Drew deer combo.  Had 2 points.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: HillHound on April 14, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Well crap. No luck for my party of three. Now we get to play the alternate list game which is just a crapshoot. Really wish they would put you in as a party on that too. One or two guys ends up drawing a good number and somebody get screwed out of going or somebody has to go by themselves. Man I’m depressed now :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Harbor_hunter on April 14, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
Drew the deer combo  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 12:57:15 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: huntnphool on April 14, 2022, 01:28:17 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.

 Was just going to point that out as well.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Cougeyes on April 14, 2022, 01:34:51 PM
I'll be surprised to see anyone with 1pt draw this year. Deer it should have been physically impossible.

I drew deer with 1 point as a group with one guy. At least that's what the backdoor results show, i'll confirm once its actually posted on their website. I figured I had little to no chance of drawing.
and your partner had 1pt?

Yep, we both had 1 point. I was too cheap to pay another $100 for this year's point so was letting it ride with just the one I bought last summer.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 01:39:53 PM
I'll be surprised to see anyone with 1pt draw this year. Deer it should have been physically impossible.

I drew deer with 1 point as a group with one guy. At least that's what the backdoor results show, i'll confirm once its actually posted on their website. I figured I had little to no chance of drawing.
and your partner had 1pt?

Yep, we both had 1 point. I was too cheap to pay another $100 for this year's point so was letting it ride with just the one I bought last summer.
there must have been a HUGE amount of folks like you that did the same thing then. Congrats on that roll of the dice sir  :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 14, 2022, 01:41:29 PM
Have they drawn any elk permits
Anybody know ?
We put in for both a limited entry elk and deer but it only shows “deer not successful”
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: actionshooter on April 14, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
No luck here with 2 points on the combo...
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: vandeman17 on April 14, 2022, 01:57:50 PM
Have they drawn any elk permits
Anybody know ?
We put in for both a limited entry elk and deer but it only shows “deer not successful”

We drew limited entry elk
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Tbob on April 14, 2022, 02:00:27 PM
I drew my Deer combo with 2 pref points. Was so bummed to not get drawn last year.
     
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: KNOPHISH on April 14, 2022, 02:00:58 PM
Got the combo for party of 4. That’s 2 for the last 3 years and didn’t apply last year. Zero points. I can hear the bugles already.  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: jjhunter on April 14, 2022, 02:12:41 PM
Deer combo for me.   
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: 92xj on April 14, 2022, 02:13:48 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.

Restricted to only hunting the Special permit with a 5 week season, or the landowner permit with the 3 week season? Both in the same unit I take it. 
With the special permit, couldn't he hunt the entire 5 week season on any land he has access too within the special permit unit? 

Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
He can hunt the permit area during the dates for the permit. If there is overlap between the general season area and season dates then I guess technically he could hunt "both" but he would still be hunting within his permit parameters. The way he made it sound is they could hunt the opener and then bleed into the permit season :dunno:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: gee_unit360 on April 14, 2022, 02:31:58 PM
Deer combo  :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: 92xj on April 14, 2022, 02:59:09 PM
He can hunt the permit area during the dates for the permit. If there is overlap between the general season area and season dates then I guess technically he could hunt "both" but he would still be hunting within his permit parameters. The way he made it sound is they could hunt the opener and then bleed into the permit season :dunno:

Oh gotcha.  I was thinking the general season with landowner tag and the special permit opened on the same day and the general/landowner ended 14 days before the end of the special permit.  Both in the same unit. 
Though, I would imagine the landowner tag is not valid anymore and he can only have one valid deer tag in this pocket and the special would trump the landowner.

I think...
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: huntnphool on April 14, 2022, 03:06:10 PM
He can hunt the permit area during the dates for the permit. If there is overlap between the general season area and season dates then I guess technically he could hunt "both" but he would still be hunting within his permit parameters. The way he made it sound is they could hunt the opener and then bleed into the permit season :dunno:

Oh gotcha.  I was thinking the general season with landowner tag and the special permit opened on the same day and the general/landowner ended 14 days before the end of the special permit.  Both in the same unit. 
Though, I would imagine the landowner tag is not valid anymore and he can only have one valid deer tag in this pocket and the special would trump the landowner.

I think...

 With a permit, he can only legally hunt the permit area and season.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 03:06:19 PM
You're correct. Permits trump general tags. Those 400 series permits start the day after General ends. So like this year general is oct 22-nov 13. Permit is nov 14-nov 27. He can ONLY hunt the nov 14-nov special permit. He is not allowed to hunt the general season.  I think that made sense anyways  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: 92xj on April 14, 2022, 03:11:50 PM
You're correct. Permits trump general tags. Those 400 series permits start the day after General ends. So like this year general is oct 22-nov 13. Permit is nov 14-nov 27. He can ONLY hunt the nov 14-nov special permit. He is not allowed to hunt the general season.  I think that made sense anyways  :chuckle:

It does to me, hopefully to him as well  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dvolmer on April 14, 2022, 03:15:37 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.

The permit is for a 400 series unit.  So that limits all of our mule deer hunting for bucks in that unit only.  The ranch we hunt of course is in that exact unit.  But we are even limited further by the landowner license.  We can only hunt the ranch for any and all deer hunting we do in Montana.  We are heading over and hunting the forth week of the season.  That is the first week of our special permit (special permit runs two weeks Nov 14-27).  The general deer season in this unit closes the 13th of November.  But we could hunt the entire 3 weeks of the general season and the next 2 weeks of the special permit season for mule deer bucks.  We are limited in two ways.  We can only hunt the ranch because of the landowner issue and we can only hunt in this unit  (if we had a normal deer tag) for mule deer bucks because we drew a limited entry permit for mule deer bucks.  We drew these late permits 2 years ago when it was the first year they were offered and we saw some great deer and shot some nice bucks.  Here is one that my nephew got just shy of 180.  If I recall he was 176.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: gasman on April 14, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Drew with 0 points, but son in law didnt. Maybe he will put in for B tag  :dunno:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 03:21:42 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.

The permit is for a 400 series unit.  So that limits all of our mule deer hunting for bucks in that unit only.  The ranch we hunt of course is in that exact unit.  But we are even limited further by the landowner license.  We can only hunt the ranch for any and all deer hunting we do in Montana.  We are heading over and hunting the forth week of the season.  That is the first week of our special permit (special permit runs two weeks Nov 14-27).  The general deer season in this unit closes the 13th of November.  But we could hunt the entire 3 weeks of the general season and the next 2 weeks of the special permit season for mule deer bucks.  We are limited in two ways.  We can only hunt the ranch because of the landowner issue and we can only hunt in this unit  (if we had a normal deer tag) for mule deer bucks because we drew a limited entry permit for mule deer bucks.  We drew these late permits 2 years ago when it was the first time they were offered and we saw some great deer and shot some nice bucks.  Here is one that my nephew got.
you CANNOT hunt the 3 weeks of general season but doesn't much matter since you're going the 4th week for your permit. Good luck and shoot straight  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dvolmer on April 14, 2022, 03:24:57 PM
We drew our landowner deer licenses and we also drew our limited entry mule deer buck permits.  Most of Montana has a 5 week general season.  The area we hunt in unit 4 only has a 3 week general season (closes two week early).  With the special permits we will be able to hunt 2 weeks longer like the rest of the state during the peak of the rut.  The landowner licenses only allow that we can hunt on the deeded land of the ranch.  But 12,000 acres should be enough for the 5 of us.  It has been for the last 13 years.  Wasn't until 2 years ago that we started doing the landowner option due to the mass increase of applicants.  Should be a great hunt!  Good Luck to all! Now the wait continues for Wyoming limited entry elk!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news D but like ID, you are restricted to ONLY hunting your permit now.
Ya Carl, I think you might be right after looking at the rules a little bit closer.  I guess Im glad we weren't planning on hunting the general season anyway.  I read it as meaning I couldnt hunt any other unit due to the rule but it looks like you are correct, but once again it wont affect our plans.  They probably after considering the new rule, trying to spread the hunting pressure out.

The permit is for a 400 series unit.  So that limits all of our mule deer hunting for bucks in that unit only.  The ranch we hunt of course is in that exact unit.  But we are even limited further by the landowner license.  We can only hunt the ranch for any and all deer hunting we do in Montana.  We are heading over and hunting the forth week of the season.  That is the first week of our special permit (special permit runs two weeks Nov 14-27).  The general deer season in this unit closes the 13th of November.  But we could hunt the entire 3 weeks of the general season and the next 2 weeks of the special permit season for mule deer bucks.  We are limited in two ways.  We can only hunt the ranch because of the landowner issue and we can only hunt in this unit  (if we had a normal deer tag) for mule deer bucks because we drew a limited entry permit for mule deer bucks.  We drew these late permits 2 years ago when it was the first time they were offered and we saw some great deer and shot some nice bucks.  Here is one that my nephew got.
you CANNOT hunt the 3 weeks of general season but doesn't much matter since you're going the 4th week for your permit. Good luck and shoot straight  :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dvolmer on April 14, 2022, 03:28:58 PM
Ya Karl, I think you might be right after looking at the rules a little bit closer.  I guess Im glad we weren't planning on hunting the general season anyway.  I read it as meaning I couldnt hunt any other unit due to the rule but it looks like you are correct, but once again it wont affect our plans.  They probably after considering the new rule, trying to spread the hunting pressure out. (sorry Karl if I spell your name wrong at times, I have 6 daughters and one son and his name is Carl with a C and not a K.  LOL)
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 14, 2022, 03:36:37 PM
Ya Karl, I think you might be right after looking at the rules a little bit closer.  I guess Im glad we weren't planning on hunting the general season anyway.  I read it as meaning I couldnt hunt any other unit due to the rule but it looks like you are correct, but once again it wont affect our plans.  They probably after considering the new rule, trying to spread the hunting pressure out. (sorry Karl if I spell your name wrong at times, I have 6 daughters and one son and his name is Carl with a C and not a K.  LOL)
  :chuckle: all good. I don't even correct people anymore. My parents are sick SOB's :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bigfish51 on April 14, 2022, 03:40:35 PM
So, both of the groups that I hunt with struck out.  1.6 point average for one group and 1.5 point average for the other.  Dang it!  First time in 12 years that I didn't pull a combo license on the main draw or the re-draw.  Oh well, alternates list, here I come.

Anyone know how MT handles the refunds?  Do they credit back our cards or send a check?

Good luck to all that drew tags.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dvolmer on April 14, 2022, 03:43:01 PM
Ya Karl, I think you might be right after looking at the rules a little bit closer.  I guess Im glad we weren't planning on hunting the general season anyway.  I read it as meaning I couldnt hunt any other unit due to the rule but it looks like you are correct, but once again it wont affect our plans.  They probably after considering the new rule, trying to spread the hunting pressure out. (sorry Karl if I spell your name wrong at times, I have 6 daughters and one son and his name is Carl with a C and not a K.  LOL)
  :chuckle: all good. I don't even correct people anymore. My parents are sick SOB's :chuckle:

Ha ha.  Congratulations on your draw too!  Enjoy that time with your father!  Im glad he drew too!  My father is fading quickly and will be gone in the next month or two.  It will be a blessing for him after a few real hard years now that he is in his upper 80's.  Make those memories while you can.  Looks like a mild winter and a wet spring could give way to some decent Montana hunting this year!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 04:03:34 PM
So, both of the groups that I hunt with struck out.  1.6 point average for one group and 1.5 point average for the other.  Dang it!  First time in 12 years that I didn't pull a combo license on the main draw or the re-draw.  Oh well, alternates list, here I come.

Anyone know how MT handles the refunds?  Do they credit back our cards or send a check?

Good luck to all that drew tags.
They send a check.


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bigfish51 on April 14, 2022, 04:26:05 PM
So, both of the groups that I hunt with struck out.  1.6 point average for one group and 1.5 point average for the other.  Dang it!  First time in 12 years that I didn't pull a combo license on the main draw or the re-draw.  Oh well, alternates list, here I come.

Anyone know how MT handles the refunds?  Do they credit back our cards or send a check?

Good luck to all that drew tags.
They send a check.


10-4, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Craig on April 14, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
No big game combo for me. Time to play the alternate list game.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: idaho guy on April 14, 2022, 04:43:56 PM
Me and my son drew big game combo with zero points. struck out on elk permit. I have nine bonus but he only has 3 and I always apply us together 
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: idaho guy on April 14, 2022, 04:53:06 PM
I drew 270 for deer
 

Wow! thats fantastic-I gave  up on it after a few years and actually looking at the odds  :chuckle: hope you post some post hunt pics 
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Muley Chaser on April 14, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
Deer combo for me with two points. My son and a friend drew deer combo with zero points. Two other friends did not draw with one point.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 14, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
Is HuntWA singlehandedly funding MTFWP?  It seems like a lot are drawing.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Is HuntWA singlehandedly funding MTFWP?  It seems like a lot are drawing.
You have been paying attn to opportunity in this state right?


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: JBar on April 14, 2022, 08:02:19 PM
My group of 4 Drew with 2 points deer combo
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Jimmybelltown on April 14, 2022, 09:08:53 PM
No joy, first time in 12 years did not draw. Plan B time.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: high_hunter on April 14, 2022, 09:15:49 PM
My party of 3 each with a preference point did not draw for deer.  Hopefully next year!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: mburrows on April 14, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
Deer and elk combo for me. Will focus on elk for archery and then mule bucks with the rifle. Going with a buddy for deer but solo for elk, should be a fun year!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2022, 12:14:59 AM
Holy heck… I don’t like the rumors swirling.


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: JakeLand on April 15, 2022, 04:24:21 AM
Holy heck… I don’t like the rumors swirling.


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 15, 2022, 05:04:22 AM
Did anyone draw with one point?   Buddy made mistake of paying $100 to buy a point but I told him with one point your odds are less than with zero points.   Maybe you couldn’t draw with one.  Is it most points or a point squared draw for peference in MT?
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: JakeLand on April 15, 2022, 05:15:48 AM
Did anyone draw with one point?   Buddy made mistake of paying $100 to buy a point but I told him with one point your odds are less than with zero points.   Maybe you couldn’t draw with one.  Is it most points or a point squared draw for peference in MT?
me and my buddy that drew each bought the point the 2 buddies that didn’t buy it didn’t draw
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: JBar on April 15, 2022, 07:22:11 AM
Holy heck… I don’t like the rumors swirling.


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He may be referring to the talk on another forum about a redraw! Something about points weren’t allocated correctly :dunno:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: MADMAX on April 15, 2022, 07:26:56 AM
Hmmm
I did get an email saying they were working on a technical issue
My deer special permit was not selected
but my elk special permits never said selected or not selected on the myFWP website
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Martinhunter on April 15, 2022, 07:32:29 AM
All I know is I'm moving over there in 2 weeks and will officially be a resident Nov. 1st!   :tup:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2022, 07:36:08 AM
I mean, its pretty obvious they screwed something up because my LE apps still say "unsuccessful".  Thats obviously a glitch of some sort  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: deadyote on April 15, 2022, 07:42:25 AM
Did anyone draw with one point?   Buddy made mistake of paying $100 to buy a point but I told him with one point your odds are less than with zero points.   Maybe you couldn’t draw with one.  Is it most points or a point squared draw for peference in MT?
My buddy and I drew deer combo with 1 point.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bigfish51 on April 15, 2022, 08:26:56 AM
Keep in mind that the MT system is set up to do the "turn back my license" draw immediately after the LE permit drawing (we check or don't check the box about turning in your combo should you not draw the LE).  Those who are drawing their combo license with 1 point will (should) see "released" beside the draw results.  This tells you that you you got the combo on the second chance draw.  Still burn up your preference point.  My buddy got his combo license this year on that "released" draw.

Congratulations to all that drew!
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: elkrack on April 15, 2022, 08:28:19 AM
I guess I should’ve bought the preference point I went in with three points and did not get drawn🤨
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2022, 08:30:39 AM
I guess I should’ve bought the preference point I went in with three points and did not get drawn🤨
thats not possible. I'd be calling.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bigfish51 on April 15, 2022, 08:30:50 AM
Ugh!  Not 100% certain, but I think since you didn't buy a preference point, even though you had 3 in the bank, you will lose those points.  Maybe someone has better insight?  That's the way it was explained to me.  I had everyone that was accumulating points put in and buy their points, just so they wouldn't be lost.  Cost some $$, but it is what it is.

I hope that I'm wrong and that you didn't lose the points.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: bigfish51 on April 15, 2022, 08:33:23 AM
If he didn't buy a point, then he would have gone into the 25% pool with "no points option" selected and his "banked" points wouldn't have come into play.  MT system has a bunch of variables to it.  Everyone that I know who had 2 or more points and selected the points option was drawn. 
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Holy heck… I don’t like the rumors swirling.


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He may be referring to the talk on another forum about a redraw! Something about points weren’t allocated correctly :dunno:
Another forum was suggesting MFWP was considering a redraw.  Triggering my PTSD with WA history!


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2022, 09:17:20 AM
I guess I should’ve bought the preference point I went in with three points and did not get drawn
thats not possible. I'd be calling.
Agreed. Sounds not right.


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2022, 09:18:06 AM
All I know is I'm moving over there in 2 weeks and will officially be a resident Nov. 1st!   :tup:
Congrats


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Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: HillHound on April 15, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
I mean, its pretty obvious they screwed something up because my LE apps still say "unsuccessful".  Thats obviously a glitch of some sort  :chuckle:
  :yeah:

 :yeah:
That’s what all of us are hoping that have unsuccessful up anyways. Probably the ones starting the rumor I’m sure, trying to keep hope alive
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: ridgefire on April 15, 2022, 10:55:27 AM
Our group of 4 drew a combo license with zero points. I think this will be the 17th year in a row of elk hunting out of state for me. C'mon Sept.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: idaho guy on April 15, 2022, 11:42:43 AM
I guess I should’ve bought the preference point I went in with three points and did not get drawn🤨
 

If you had 3 points going in you CANT buy another point. The maximum is 3 pp. it’s impossible I think to not draw with 3?  The only way you would lose them is to not apply 2 years in a row. Don’t call as I don’t want them to re/draw  :chuckle:
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: idaho guy on April 15, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
If he didn't buy a point, then he would have gone into the 25% pool with "no points option" selected and his "banked" points wouldn't have come into play.  MT system has a bunch of variables to it.  Everyone that I know who had 2 or more points and selected the points option was drawn.
 

He said he had 3 points going in you can’t buy or have more than 3
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 15, 2022, 12:23:15 PM
If he didn't buy a point, then he would have gone into the 25% pool with "no points option" selected and his "banked" points wouldn't have come into play.  MT system has a bunch of variables to it.  Everyone that I know who had 2 or more points and selected the points option was drawn.
this isn't correct. You enter the draw with your points whether you want to or not. Only way to be in the 0 point pool (25%) is to actually have zero points.
Title: Re: MT nonresident tags
Post by: elkrack on April 15, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
My ignorance to the way Montana apps works is why I didn’t draw. I Only had one point🤦🏻‍♂️
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