Post by: PHunter on April 13, 2022, 07:37:09 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 13, 2022, 09:12:08 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2022, 10:02:17 AM
Post by: dvolmer on April 13, 2022, 01:14:42 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 13, 2022, 01:15:52 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 13, 2022, 01:20:22 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2022/7-9april2022-fwc-agenda
All permit numbers are in the links at the above webpage.
Post by: RobinHoodlum on April 13, 2022, 01:39:07 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 13, 2022, 02:17:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2022, 02:29:33 PM
My stupid Iphone thinks those numbers to look at the link are phone numbers, it want to call and not pull up the content! :bash:
Click on "Summary sheet"
Post by: hughjorgan on April 13, 2022, 02:31:09 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/10.%2020220407%20Deer%20general%20seasons_DecisionSS.pdf
Elk
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/11.%2020220408%20Elk%20general%20seasonsSS.pdf
Post by: johnbmyersii on April 13, 2022, 03:48:23 PM
Deer
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/10.%2020220407%20Deer%20general%20seasons_DecisionSS.pdf
Elk
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/11.%2020220408%20Elk%20general%20seasonsSS.pdf
wow....they cut permits for almost all the eastside quality elk hunts by 50%
Post by: mcrawfordaf on April 13, 2022, 04:17:30 PM
"(c) A person may not use the aid of a dog to take, chase, harm or
harass big game. The use of one blood-trailing dog controlled by leash
during lawful hunting hours within 72 hours of shooting a big game
animal, except bear and cougar, is allowed to track wounded big game
and aid in recovery. "
So this was an amendment correct? We can now use a dog to track large game?
Post by: Stein on April 13, 2022, 04:21:22 PM
Deer
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/10.%2020220407%20Deer%20general%20seasons_DecisionSS.pdf
Elk
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/11.%2020220408%20Elk%20general%20seasonsSS.pdf
wow....they cut permits for almost all the eastside quality elk hunts by 50%
Nothing new there...
You can come over to this side and get an incentive limper permit though.
Post by: GWP on April 13, 2022, 04:36:22 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/14.%2020220404%20Weapons%20SS_0.pdf (https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/14.%2020220404%20Weapons%20SS_0.pdf)
"(c) A person may not use the aid of a dog to take, chase, harm or
harass big game. The use of one blood-trailing dog controlled by leash
during lawful hunting hours within 72 hours of shooting a big game
animal, except bear and cougar, is allowed to track wounded big game
and aid in recovery. "
So this was an amendment correct? We can now use a dog to track large game?
That was what I got out of it. I am all for it. Sometimes there is not a great blood trail, and you may stop looking 20’ too soon.
Post by: jstone on April 13, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
What is going on here.????!!!
Post by: dreamingbig on April 13, 2022, 08:57:29 PM
Man this state is just getting worse and worse.!! :bash: :bash:Uh… the governor!?!
What is going on here.????!!!
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 14, 2022, 05:28:25 AM
Post by: HillHound on April 14, 2022, 09:26:29 AM
Uh, the commission.Yes definitely the commission, who is appointed and hand selected by the governor
Post by: Stein on April 14, 2022, 10:09:21 AM
Uh, the commission.Yes definitely the commission, who is appointed and hand selected by the governor
Who also appoints the WDFW director. Hopefully he can write another great intro to the hunting regs book that totally ignores the insane downward trajectory of permits and continued trend toward annual reductions in opportunity.
Post by: buckfvr on April 14, 2022, 10:10:37 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on April 14, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
Man this state is just getting worse and worse.!! :bash: :bash:That Bi@# Jay Inslee and his new Anti-Hunting group WDFW, that’s what’s wrong! We cannot sit around and be screwed over any longer, we need a new entity to manage our resources.
What is going on here.????!!!
Post by: GASoline71 on April 14, 2022, 11:07:24 AM
Gary
Post by: Special T on April 14, 2022, 11:45:33 AM
Uh, the commission.Yes definitely the commission, who is appointed and hand selected by the governor
Who also appoints the WDFW director. Hopefully he can write another great intro to the hunting regs book that totally ignores the insane downward trajectory of permits and continued trend toward annual reductions in opportunity.
I want to state for the record that despite my many criticisms , Kelly Susewind is the best director in my memory. 20 ish years.
You want a real bag of dog crap... just think what this comission would hire if they had the chance! I have Several criticisms of Susewind, but when I realize how trapped he is I realize he has done as much as he can for us. We really need to stay active and engaged. Hopefully many of you/us have done something positive. Join Howl, SCI or Washingtonians...got your local archery, trap or Sportsmen club to get engaged.
If the collective "We" don't pull our head out of our ass and get acti e and organized we are done. It's 4th quarter and we are down by 9
Post by: dreamingbig on April 14, 2022, 12:16:42 PM
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Post by: teanawayslayer on April 14, 2022, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: Special T on April 14, 2022, 12:33:32 PM
I get the we need to do something but how we get a democratic governor elected that cares about hunting? Anybody have ideas? Any good candidates?
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Perhaps Brian Blake will run... if he does I'd have to vote for a half reasonable democrat instead of Republicans that can't seem to be grounded.
Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2022, 12:38:36 PM
I vote for anybody other than inslee, and I mean ANYBODY.I get the we need to do something but how we get a democratic governor elected that cares about hunting? Anybody have ideas? Any good candidates?
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Perhaps Brian Blake will run... if he does I'd have to vote for a half reasonable democrat instead of Republicans that can't seem to be grounded.
Post by: Stein on April 14, 2022, 01:22:02 PM
Post by: mcrawfordaf on April 14, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
Post by: Special T on April 14, 2022, 01:59:10 PM
What we need is a Blue Dog to run, it's the only hope in this state I'm afraid. After the Rossi election it became pretty clear that there is little chance of anyone with an R next to their name winning.
The only other person that could fit that bill is past state senator Dean Takko, but I'm less versed in positions outside of hunting. I do know that Blake was well respected by the republicans on the natural resources comittie.
Post by: time2hunt on April 14, 2022, 06:11:01 PM
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Post by: Pinetar on April 14, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
I’m going to apologize in advance. *censored* our governor and *censored* our commission!!! I’m already in for this year but it will be my last in this state!I will take that bet :chuckle:
Post by: Houndhunter on April 14, 2022, 06:58:37 PM
What we need is a Blue Dog to run, it's the only hope in this state I'm afraid. After the Rossi election it became pretty clear that there is little chance of anyone with an R next to their name winning.
The only other person that could fit that bill is past state senator Dean Takko, but I'm less versed in positions outside of hunting. I do know that Blake was well respected by the republicans on the natural resources comittie.
Dean Takko would be a great candidate as far as democrats go. He's a big time hunter.
Post by: TriggerMike on April 15, 2022, 10:24:14 AM
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: kirkl on April 15, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:The two or three years of only giving out 20 cow tags brought the herd back to objective lol. He did say they did a good flyover in february so maybe they havent done that in a couple years prior? who knows.
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 15, 2022, 10:40:13 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2022, 11:30:15 AM
So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Post by: elkchaser54 on April 17, 2022, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2022, 10:54:56 AM
So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible. I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
Post by: Tbar on April 17, 2022, 12:40:37 PM
Do you have any info or just throwing out a theory? What are the ratios? Is there a concern? Are they below 12?So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Post by: Stein on April 17, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: Tbar on April 17, 2022, 12:49:09 PM
Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
Post by: Tbar on April 17, 2022, 12:51:40 PM
WDFW survey in 2021 had the bull ratio at 25% in the Blues. Like many things WDFW, we get to guess at the motives as transparency isn't warranted.All of the measurables in the blues signify a collapse. The commission has shown both a willingness and seeming desire for this.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 17, 2022, 02:40:49 PM
I don’t think it was justified. I have zero rationale for why they did it…. My guess was low bull to cow ratio. Why else would they slash bull permits when herd is approaching objective again?Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
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Post by: Stein on April 17, 2022, 02:44:46 PM
WDFW survey in 2021 had the bull ratio at 25% in the Blues. Like many things WDFW, we get to guess at the motives as transparency isn't warranted.All of the measurables in the blues signify a collapse. The commission has shown both a willingness and seeming desire for this.
Hard to argue that, numbers crashing and they increase cow tags. Probably lots of local politics at play, but again, we get to guess. Their own total abundance numbers show fewer elk than at least back to 2005. Yearly calf numbers crashing too.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 17, 2022, 05:40:26 PM
Wdfw is just realizing they can offer less and still make a bunch of money.
Post by: elkchaser54 on April 17, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
Post by: emac on April 17, 2022, 08:09:49 PM
I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area. Not elk they are vastly different .The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great. Numbers are down as the eye test shows
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Post by: bigdub257 on April 17, 2022, 09:15:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with bull to cow ratios in the central herds... actually probably the best I've seen in years....
Wdfw is just realizing they can offer less and still make a bunch of money.
Maybe they decided to factor in (wild guess) the (unknown) bull harvest by other user groups. :dunno:
Post by: Tbar on April 17, 2022, 10:33:51 PM
Your guess is as good as any I think, maybe better since you have quite a bit of knowledge of the central herd. I just don't know why you always throw little jabs without representation. I have heard nothing to justify anything but a return to normal at objective type of management. Personally I'm always in favor of a more conservative approach in regards to the factory. I'd rather they increased bull harvest not cows. There's usually more moving parts like ag concerns or :dunno:. There are a bunch of red flags here that do not make the department look competent. I hope I'm missing something like a crazy low spike escapement or lack of bulls overall but one would think this type of information is easy shared and understood.I don’t think it was justified. I have zero rationale for why they did it…. My guess was low bull to cow ratio. Why else would they slash bull permits when herd is approaching objective again?Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
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Post by: huntnphool on April 17, 2022, 11:56:17 PM
I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area. Not elk they are vastly different .The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great. Numbers are down as the eye test shows
Numbers are down vs when?
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 18, 2022, 06:49:14 AM
they have a standard of around 12-16 bulls per 100 cows in the Yakima herd, and supposedly with their count that’s what they are hovering at. I had a lengthy conversation the other day about this with the biologist. Predators and native harvest were 2 big factors. And because the latter of the 2 can make $4-500 dollars on a set of antlers connected to the skull the branch bulls have a price on their head. Then they turn the rest into jerky and pepperoni to sell they now have a business. He tried to change the numbers with the higher ups not having it. So be ready. Unless something changes it’s going to be like this for the foreseeable future.Your guess is as good as any I think, maybe better since you have quite a bit of knowledge of the central herd. I just don't know why you always throw little jabs without representation. I have heard nothing to justify anything but a return to normal at objective type of management. Personally I'm always in favor of a more conservative approach in regards to the factory. I'd rather they increased bull harvest not cows. There's usually more moving parts like ag concerns or :dunno:. There are a bunch of red flags here that do not make the department look competent. I hope I'm missing something like a crazy low spike escapement or lack of bulls overall but one would think this type of information is easy shared and understood.I don’t think it was justified. I have zero rationale for why they did it…. My guess was low bull to cow ratio. Why else would they slash bull permits when herd is approaching objective again?Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2022, 07:25:48 AM
exactly why the WDFW should go to any bull in that area, sacrifice the elk to force a few to actually manage! Hard to sell bull heads when there are none!they have a standard of around 12-16 bulls per 100 cows in the Yakima herd, and supposedly with their count that’s what they are hovering at. I had a lengthy conversation the other day about this with the biologist. Predators and native harvest were 2 big factors. And because the latter of the 2 can make $4-500 dollars on a set of antlers connected to the skull the branch bulls have a price on their head. Then they turn the rest into jerky and pepperoni to sell they now have a business. He tried to change the numbers with the higher ups not having it. So be ready. Unless something changes it’s going to be like this for the foreseeable future.Your guess is as good as any I think, maybe better since you have quite a bit of knowledge of the central herd. I just don't know why you always throw little jabs without representation. I have heard nothing to justify anything but a return to normal at objective type of management. Personally I'm always in favor of a more conservative approach in regards to the factory. I'd rather they increased bull harvest not cows. There's usually more moving parts like ag concerns or :dunno:. There are a bunch of red flags here that do not make the department look competent. I hope I'm missing something like a crazy low spike escapement or lack of bulls overall but one would think this type of information is easy shared and understood.I don’t think it was justified. I have zero rationale for why they did it…. My guess was low bull to cow ratio. Why else would they slash bull permits when herd is approaching objective again?Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on April 18, 2022, 07:29:18 AM
For reference 110 bulls where killed in district 8 last year on special permits.... that's all the quality 300 gmus...
Gets me all giddy just thinking about the opportunity.... :rolleyes:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 18, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
he suggested that and was shot down at the last 3 year rule setting.exactly why the WDFW should go to any bull in that area, sacrifice the elk to force a few to actually manage! Hard to sell bull heads when there are none!they have a standard of around 12-16 bulls per 100 cows in the Yakima herd, and supposedly with their count that’s what they are hovering at. I had a lengthy conversation the other day about this with the biologist. Predators and native harvest were 2 big factors. And because the latter of the 2 can make $4-500 dollars on a set of antlers connected to the skull the branch bulls have a price on their head. Then they turn the rest into jerky and pepperoni to sell they now have a business. He tried to change the numbers with the higher ups not having it. So be ready. Unless something changes it’s going to be like this for the foreseeable future.Your guess is as good as any I think, maybe better since you have quite a bit of knowledge of the central herd. I just don't know why you always throw little jabs without representation. I have heard nothing to justify anything but a return to normal at objective type of management. Personally I'm always in favor of a more conservative approach in regards to the factory. I'd rather they increased bull harvest not cows. There's usually more moving parts like ag concerns or :dunno:. There are a bunch of red flags here that do not make the department look competent. I hope I'm missing something like a crazy low spike escapement or lack of bulls overall but one would think this type of information is easy shared and understood.I don’t think it was justified. I have zero rationale for why they did it…. My guess was low bull to cow ratio. Why else would they slash bull permits when herd is approaching objective again?Without knowing more than I witnessed at the feed lots, I see zero representation for this move. :dunno: This is a reduction coming off of a 90+% reduction! It screams naive or a lack of due diligence. With it being above objective ( :dunno:) there was probably some flexibility to have a considerable bump in bull hunt but without clarity it leaves users guessing. The entirety does not sit well.So they're now saying the Yakima elk herd is at or slightly above objective :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:Shooting bulls is “trophy hunting”! Duh!
They increased cow tags in the Yakima units but decreased the bull permits. What could possibly be responsible for bull numbers to decrease while cows increase :bash: :bash: :bash:
But to be serious, it makes no sense. The 25% reduction in quality archery elk tags was not addressed at the meetings. Not sure what WDFW is driving at other than perhaps knowing a lot of bulls are being taken by other user groups so hoping to get bull to cow ratio back inline?
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Has to be. (http://Like everything WDFW, there is as little transparency as possible.) I can't think of any reason to do this other than the bull/cow ratio is incredibly bad.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2022, 08:07:31 AM
Post by: Stein on April 18, 2022, 08:21:04 AM
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2022, 09:44:34 AM
Looks like they did. Unfortunately.Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation? Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle. Also did Bernie make that proposal or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2022, 09:54:50 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 18, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
Is there any publicly available information on tribal harvest. Is it accurately tracked.
According to wdfw licensed hunter's average 5000 elk statewide per year and 3000 bulls. Give or take a couple hundred on both numbers.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2022, 10:09:36 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 18, 2022, 10:21:43 AM
do you think it’s several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd? If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.Looks like they did. Unfortunately.Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation? Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle. Also did Bernie make that proposal or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2022, 10:29:18 AM
Post by: Stein on April 18, 2022, 10:39:15 AM
Looks like they did. Unfortunately.Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation? Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle. Also did Bernie make that proposal or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
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The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is dedicated to preserving, protecting, and perpetuating the state’s fish, wildlife, and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
Hard to say they are doing that with the herd in question, that's the issue in my mind. They aren't preserving and protecting and are not providing a sustainable recreational opportunity as clearly evidenced by their population estimates and tag allocations.
Post by: Tbar on April 19, 2022, 08:11:04 AM
The management scheme is one chosen by the state to provide opportunities and quality so I would look at the aggregate numbers. I'm also still curious if Bernie said/ proposed something or if my memories are correct and it was read too the commission as rooted in public input. Also where is the communication breakdown to the justification? It was pretty clear that they "found" part of the herd.do you think it’s several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd? If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.Looks like they did. Unfortunately.Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation? Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle. Also did Bernie make that proposal or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Post by: Special T on April 19, 2022, 09:10:38 AM
The management scheme is one chosen by the state to provide opportunities and quality so I would look at the aggregate numbers. I'm also still curious if Bernie said/ proposed something or if my memories are correct and it was read too the commission as rooted in public input. Also where is the communication breakdown to the justification? It was pretty clear that they "found" part of the herd.do you think it’s several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd? If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.Looks like they did. Unfortunately.Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation? Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle. Also did Bernie make that proposal or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Was it on the NE corner of the Yakima Firing range where many had guessed, but the WDFW couldnt get a flyover permission during the count?
Post by: emac on April 27, 2022, 08:36:18 PM
5, 10, 15 years ago. Every year there are less and less. My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail. No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area. Not elk they are vastly different .The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great. Numbers are down as the eye test shows
Numbers are down vs when?
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Post by: huntnphool on April 27, 2022, 11:35:34 PM
5, 10, 15 years ago. Every year there are less and less. My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail. No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area. Not elk they are vastly different .The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great. Numbers are down as the eye test shows
Numbers are down vs when?
Please provide documentation that backs up your claim.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 28, 2022, 05:30:33 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 28, 2022, 06:08:29 AM
Well it's time to settle up guys.5, 10, 15 years ago. Every year there are less and less. My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail. No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area. Not elk they are vastly different .The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great. Numbers are down as the eye test shows
Numbers are down vs when?
Please provide documentation that backs up your claim.
Honest ,deer numbers are down across the whole state.
I'm assume you guys are talking about district 3.
I've made a chart that is harvest totals for district 3 ,whitetail,mule deer,female,male, don't matter.
This is total deer harvested and reported to lay in the dirt.
At first look ,it looks like about 2500 would be a good target average for harvest. 2020 did hit that target average ....but...
Everybody needed that deer in the freezer that year.
Looks to me it is on a downward trend.
With all that said ,you guys needs to give me two laps around the track and a tall boy . For the settlement of this issue.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 28, 2022, 06:19:46 AM
It's like saying Yakima bull elk numbers are down because only 100 bulls where killed, without also acknowledging that permits where slashed and half of the area was closed because of fire danger.
Post by: hunter399 on April 28, 2022, 06:38:38 AM
Look at it any way you like. Those are the numbers of deer harvested.
Lots of factors
Permits
Regulations
Environmental factors
Hunter behavior trends
Whatever.
At the end of the day ,those are the numbers.
Like you could say a good average harvest might be 2000.
And make it all look ok.
From 2013 to now ,it does look downward.
I don't hunt this area,I don't have boots or eyes on it.
So I'm just trying to help you all with the numbers.
General harvest numbers down means population down.
As long as amount of people hunting it stays about the same each year.
Post by: Stein on April 28, 2022, 08:04:49 AM
I believe I saw them in the annual hunting prospect reports for each region.