Post by: ChefWoodrough on April 20, 2022, 12:02:03 PM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 20, 2022, 12:07:29 PM
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on April 20, 2022, 12:10:56 PM
Their land department should have a handle on it.
As insurance, get the supporting documents so you have it with you if your called on it.
Post by: asmith on April 20, 2022, 12:14:01 PM
Check with the county.
Post by: CP on April 20, 2022, 12:14:48 PM
Post by: phildobaggins on April 20, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Not unless there is an easement for the road, some lands are land locked. I think there is an app out there that shows easements ??
Would love to know if this exists!
Post by: hunter399 on April 20, 2022, 02:24:41 PM
Or, knock on the door and ask the landowner.That would be my go too answer right there.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 20, 2022, 03:24:41 PM
just talked w him, he said they had rinos w the MT card, it showed public roads that were going through private property. That was about 10 years agoNot unless there is an easement for the road, some lands are land locked. I think there is an app out there that shows easements ??
Would love to know if this exists!
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 20, 2022, 03:30:12 PM
Roads don't have to be posted as private. Looks like trespassing to me.
Lots of old fire access roads that extend past private land access roads. Don't trust hunt apps...not always accurate and or up to date.
When in doubt be courteous and knock on doors.
Post by: Fishmaker57 on April 20, 2022, 03:39:42 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on April 20, 2022, 04:37:09 PM
Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 20, 2022, 04:51:00 PM
:yeah:Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
I have easements through my property for the BPA to maintain powerlines, it is not for the public to use. I also have easements for DNR employees to cross my property to get to certain areas of theirs for maintenance and logging, again the easement is not for public use. Finally I have easements for roads that adjacent property owners need to use to access their properties, but not for the general public to use.
It is always best to ask and not assume.
Post by: MADMAX on April 20, 2022, 04:58:16 PM
Better to do before season
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Post by: 509 on April 23, 2022, 04:46:43 PM
:yeah:Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
I have easements through my property for the BPA to maintain powerlines, it is not for the public to use. I also have easements for DNR employees to cross my property to get to certain areas of theirs for maintenance and logging, again the easement is not for public use. Finally I have easements for roads that adjacent property owners need to use to access their properties, but not for the general public to use.
It is always best to ask and not assume.
Yeah, it depends on the Government agency.
Forest Service will NOT purchase an easement unless it gives the public rights of access to public land.
BLM will in some cases purchase a easement for government use only.....
I have run into TWO cases in Washington state where the road GOES THROUGH the middle of a home site with the house on one side and the garage on the other!!!
One case, it is a county road. In the other case, the COE had a public easement to access public land on the other side of the home site.
I do wish that local, state, and Federal agencies be required to post easements across private land. The TAXPAYERS PAID for the easements!!! In many cases, folks turn around just because it "looks private".
I do know in one case. The Forest Service has an easement. I looked it up in the Forest Service road atlas.
It is a FOREST SERVICE gate on the road. The landowner posted the property as private. Totally correct.
He did NOT post it as NO TRESPASSING because YOU have a legal right which the TAXPAYERS BOUGHT to cross his land to access land managed by the Forest Service.
Good luck in determining the right course of action.
Really public easements NEED to be posted by PUBLIC landowners.
NO TRESPASSING signs need to have a contact name and address on the sign. You don't want to know how many times I have run into public land being posted with NO TRESPASSING signs.
There should be a LARGE FINE for posting public land as private.
Post by: fireweed on April 24, 2022, 12:02:27 PM
Also many DNR easements written between 1967 and 1985 were intended to include public access. Read about it on this site: http://apps.kidvalley.com/Blog/
Post by: Macs B on April 25, 2022, 09:23:56 AM
:yeah:Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
I have easements through my property for the BPA to maintain powerlines, it is not for the public to use. I also have easements for DNR employees to cross my property to get to certain areas of theirs for maintenance and logging, again the easement is not for public use. Finally I have easements for roads that adjacent property owners need to use to access their properties, but not for the general public to use.
It is always best to ask and not assume.
I'll second this one. Between farm lands and forest lands I have easements and access agreements between several agencies and even more private companies. None of them are for the general public's use. Always ask the land owner, if you can't find a land owner then move on, if the land owner says "NO" then move on. Too many people think their tax money makes them a land owner when it really does not.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 25, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
:yeah: Plus they have been doing it forever or someone they know has been doing forever and tells them there is access when there really isn't. Just because there is public access on one road to DNR doesn't mean all roads have public access. Just because there is public access to one powerline road doesn't mean all powerline roads are public. It is always best to ask and never a good idea to tell the property they are wrong if you haven't consulted an attorney or title company about a specific piece of land and easement road.:yeah:Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
I have easements through my property for the BPA to maintain powerlines, it is not for the public to use. I also have easements for DNR employees to cross my property to get to certain areas of theirs for maintenance and logging, again the easement is not for public use. Finally I have easements for roads that adjacent property owners need to use to access their properties, but not for the general public to use.
It is always best to ask and not assume.
I'll second this one. Between farm lands and forest lands I have easements and access agreements between several agencies and even more private companies. None of them are for the general public's use. Always ask the land owner, if you can't find a land owner then move on, if the land owner says "NO" then move on. Too many people think their tax money makes them a land owner when it really does not.
Post by: fireweed on April 25, 2022, 10:48:55 AM
Don't tell me I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong, on the actual document.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 25, 2022, 12:12:54 PM
Just trying to gage what my responsibility is to "joe hunter" that wants to come through my place because there is a road there that if you look up on the DNR says no public access.
It's really not that hard to do a little leg work yourself. It's not like you have invested any money in the land you want to get access through. It's not like you pay property tax on that land every year. Heck for a few hundred dollars you could get a title report and see that there is no public access if you really wanted to get into the weeds of it all. But rather than do the work yourself to find out if you are wrong you think the property owner should provide the documentation to you for you to read and review?
I will agree with you that all of the easements aren't written the same and each easement should be read in full. Where I disagree is who should be burdened with providing the documentation proving their point.
I know what my easement says and I have proven it time and time again. It gets old real quick having the same discussion with people who want me to show them they are wrong.
Post by: Dan-o on April 25, 2022, 01:01:16 PM
So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?
Just trying to gage what my responsibility is to "joe hunter" that wants to come through my place because there is a road there that if you look up on the DNR says no public access.
It's really not that hard to do a little leg work yourself. It's not like you have invested any money in the land you want to get access through. It's not like you pay property tax on that land every year. Heck for a few hundred dollars you could get a title report and see that there is no public access if you really wanted to get into the weeds of it all. But rather than do the work yourself to find out if you are wrong you think the property owner should provide the documentation to you for you to read and review?
I will agree with you that all of the easements aren't written the same and each easement should be read in full. Where I disagree is who should be burdened with providing the documentation proving their point.
I know what my easement says and I have proven it time and time again. It gets old real quick having the same discussion with people who want me to show them they are wrong.
You would make a lousy Socialist.
Post by: OutHouse on April 25, 2022, 01:12:57 PM
So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?
Just trying to gage what my responsibility is to "joe hunter" that wants to come through my place because there is a road there that if you look up on the DNR says no public access.
It's really not that hard to do a little leg work yourself. It's not like you have invested any money in the land you want to get access through. It's not like you pay property tax on that land every year. Heck for a few hundred dollars you could get a title report and see that there is no public access if you really wanted to get into the weeds of it all. But rather than do the work yourself to find out if you are wrong you think the property owner should provide the documentation to you for you to read and review?
I will agree with you that all of the easements aren't written the same and each easement should be read in full. Where I disagree is who should be burdened with providing the documentation proving their point.
I know what my easement says and I have proven it time and time again. It gets old real quick having the same discussion with people who want me to show them they are wrong.
Its definitely not your burden in that regard. I agree just get a title report or the plat map. The plat map will show easements of record at the time it was created and the only other easement would be by deed, probably from the original land owner to the public but that basically never happens.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 25, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
I am however passionate about property rights and have done tons of research on mine as well as those that are important to my access. I always try to research it myself and see if what I am being told is true.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on April 25, 2022, 03:21:08 PM
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Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 26, 2022, 03:21:25 PM
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Post by: mburrows on April 26, 2022, 03:52:34 PM
My general rule is if it looks like a drive way and it’s not a named county road, stop and ask. If it’s a named/numbered road then you’re probably good but certainly never hurts to stop and be friendly. antelope hunting in Montana I deployed this tactic and it led to me accessing private land in addition to the public, only stipulation was do not touch the mule deer lol.
The good old gut instinct is a solid indicator. If you feel like you should ask, ask.
With that said, there are more official ways to verify but if I’m out on the fly the general rule is don’t do it if it feels remotely like it might be trespassing. Just part of the game
Post by: 509 on April 26, 2022, 09:32:17 PM
So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
Post by: huntnnw on April 26, 2022, 10:02:02 PM
Or, knock on the door and ask the landowner.
be the last thing Id trust.
Post by: LDennis24 on April 26, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
And you would be wrong and be the exact kind of person that I wouldn't want near my property. This is just like the corner crossing debate. Everyone feels so entitled to anything labeled public or government owned and you don't know what your talking about. So you go in anyways and cause a problem for the landowner to deal with and then the LEO that shows up can't hardly do anything cuz people play stupid and the law as it's written says "knowingly" entering private property. So you say "Oh I didn't know" so the matter gets written off as unimportant and nothing happens. Then it happens over and over and over cuz people THINK they can do whatever they want and don't respect private property. You just want to spout off about being an important American citizen with tax dollars paying for the right to disrespect people and their property. Rainier10 is talking about people like you just driving in and acting like they can do whatever they want. It would be great if everyone walked in past the gate instead of destroying it. All of you who pop off about public land entitlement don't have a clue.
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 27, 2022, 07:31:10 AM
Id say it was perfectly fine as long as your not stopping or doing anything on private land, Most rural private land owners know that this is a thing and they will typically fence off stuff they dont want people moving through. In the case of a fence, stay out. If its open land, my thought is its ok as long as you respect it and know where your going... Not just driving deep into someones private property to turn around. Scouting before hand comes into play big time. Really these days with things like google maps led alone google earth and onxmaps, theres no excuse to not know where you are anymore.What a very entitled, millennial and wrong attitude you have. And if you don't believe me....ask the couple people I've called the sheriff on and he cited them for trespassing (including one who got his $30k razor impounded). IT IS NEVER OK TO CROSS SOMEONE'S LAND WITHOUT PERMISSION.
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 27, 2022, 07:38:23 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on April 27, 2022, 07:39:14 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2022, 08:25:46 AM
Most often it seems like trespassing is a local thing.....oh I know so and so or we'll I'm local or well I've hunted this area all my life.
I've only knowingly trespassed once. Was way out of my intended range and borderline lost. I could see a main road from elevation and knew if I went down I could simply walk the road a few miles to camp. Np problem except the huge tract of land and house below me. I headed down and when got to the property I unloaded, packed away my ammo and made a beeline best I could towards the house. I could see activity outside and I clearly stood out in my orange. Landowner met me when I got close and was clearly looking for an explanation. I introduced myself, apologized, explained where I came from and was intending to go. He looked me over, noticed my rifle was empty and said well these things happen. Glass of water and a handshake I was on my way.
Knowingly trespassing is simply not ok rural or not.
Post by: KFhunter on April 27, 2022, 08:29:20 AM
Hunting on the Eastside has shown me a few things.....
Most often it seems like trespassing is a local thing.....oh I know so and so or we'll I'm local or well I've hunted this area all my life.
I've only knowingly trespassed once. Was way out of my intended range and borderline lost. I could see a main road from elevation and knew if I went down I could simply walk the road a few miles to camp. Np problem except the huge tract of land and house below me. I headed down and when got to the property I unloaded, packed away my ammo and made a beeline best I could towards the house. I could see activity outside and I clearly stood out in my orange. Landowner met me when I got close and was clearly looking for an explanation. I introduced myself, apologized, explained where I came from and was intending to go. He looked me over, noticed my rifle was empty and said well these things happen. Glass of water and a handshake I was on my way.
Knowingly trespassing is simply not ok rural or not.
I woulda been totally cool w that :tup:
It's the guys doing the shoot from their truck then run through your fence to snag and grab that buck, turkey that give hunters the bad name.
Post by: 509 on April 27, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
And you would be wrong and be the exact kind of person that I wouldn't want near my property. This is just like the corner crossing debate. Everyone feels so entitled to anything labeled public or government owned and you don't know what your talking about. So you go in anyways and cause a problem for the landowner to deal with and then the LEO that shows up can't hardly do anything cuz people play stupid and the law as it's written says "knowingly" entering private property. So you say "Oh I didn't know" so the matter gets written off as unimportant and nothing happens. Then it happens over and over and over cuz people THINK they can do whatever they want and don't respect private property. You just want to spout off about being an important American citizen with tax dollars paying for the right to disrespect people and their property. Rainier10 is talking about people like you just driving in and acting like they can do whatever they want. It would be great if everyone walked in past the gate instead of destroying it. All of you who pop off about public land entitlement don't have a clue.
Oh, I have a clue.
As a professional forester for 50 years with both private industry and government I have seen private owners post PUBLIC LAND. Steal PUBLIC TIMBER. AND ALL THAT TIME COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PUBLIC. It works both ways.
Yes, the PUBLIC is "entitled to anything labeled public or government owned" particularly public land.
Give me a break.
I have had landowners try to kick me off public land. I calmly dial 911 and ask a deputy sheriff to show up. Guess what, at the point every landowner said, "yes, that is public land, but YOU should still ask permission to since I live here". I did help knowing the Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel.
Kicking the public off public land is a THEFT of government property. It is that simple.
BTW... I reviewed and checked the legal easements to the Wenatchee River that the Game Department bought years ago. There are almost a hundred of them. Some of those easements cost hunters and fisherman THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in license fees. Now, the NEW landowners want the easements terminated at NO COST to them!!!
Sounds like the public has a legal easement across your property and you don't like it. Fine, you never should have given DNR a public easement across your property. Your lucky they agreed to limit vehicle traffic.
The public is getting ripped off by private landowners left and right in Washington and other states. Time to end it.
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
This baby is getting hot in here.
I'm gonna need more 🍿 for this one.
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 09:09:14 AM
Hunting on the Eastside has shown me a few things.....
Most often it seems like trespassing is a local thing.....oh I know so and so or we'll I'm local or well I've hunted this area all my life.
I've only knowingly trespassed once. Was way out of my intended range and borderline lost. I could see a main road from elevation and knew if I went down I could simply walk the road a few miles to camp. Np problem except the huge tract of land and house below me. I headed down and when got to the property I unloaded, packed away my ammo and made a beeline best I could towards the house. I could see activity outside and I clearly stood out in my orange. Landowner met me when I got close and was clearly looking for an explanation. I introduced myself, apologized, explained where I came from and was intending to go. He looked me over, noticed my rifle was empty and said well these things happen. Glass of water and a handshake I was on my way.
Knowingly trespassing is simply not ok rural or not.
I woulda been totally cool w that :tup:
It's the guys doing the shoot from their truck then run through your fence to snag and grab that buck, turkey that give hunters the bad name.
:yeah:
I got lost up North of Newport one time because we were gutting out a small buck my brother shot and it got dark so we started to pack it out and a cougar showed up. You could hear it in the dark and see its eyes in your flashlight so we kept tracking it as it circled us until one of us could shoot and finally it paused and we took a shot at it. Couldn't find blood or anything and it disappeared on us. Well we started hiking again and realized we were going the wrong way. We didn't know the exact location we were in but we could see a light from someone's house so we made a B line for their light and ended up in their backyard. Guy was totally cool with us and offered drinks and a congratulations and told us where we got turned around as he knew the area well. No fences, just knew that it was private ground in that direction and respected that and stayed clear of his backyard and his property until that night.
On another note, where were you guys when I needed a few more folks to explain how it feels to deal with trespassers who pretend to have made a mistake on the corner crossing thread. I got totally reamed. Then Stein, KFHunter, and a few others say a few things to agree with me. And they still attack me! It's ridiculous. The Unlawful Inclosures Act says we can go there. Me me me, you're only trying to keep it for yourself... People trespass and because it's low on the priority list for LEO's they don't do anything unless they damaged or stole something. It's not like you can detain someone either until the LEO shows up so they just take off. The hunter ALWAYS pretends to be confused. They think it doesn't hurt to just jump the corner by 200yds to shorten your hike or follow the road that on a map clearly goes where they wanna go, or pick up shed antlers from private ground. Even open wheat fields. If you don't have permission, you don't touch it. Some folks just don't care and will walk out into an open field and grab an antler they saw driving by. Or say they are not that person then talk about taking shed antlers from a wildlife refuge, while doing a job there, but being a lawful outdoorsman at the same time. :dunno:
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
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Post by: Macs B on April 27, 2022, 10:02:44 AM
This is the main reason that I have quit letting people use my land. This sense of entitlement and the attitude that someone has a right to use my property because of "their interpretation" is exactly the reason that we no longer allow people access.
It was not always like this. People who use the woods were respectful. I have had timber men, farmers, you name it hunt my properties with no concerns. They collect mushrooms, or greens or owl biscuits, whatever. Gates were closed, trash wasn't dumped, roads weren't tore up. That's not the case anymore, and that is why we shut the doors to everyone except those that we invite.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:12:28 AM
Maybe it says "no unauthorized vehicles..." I will have to check. The reason that it is there is that I called DNR and told them I was sick of people blocking my gate. The old pull up to the gate and park right in front of it so everyone knows someone is already hunting out that road, go somewhere else. My first step was to put a "please don't block gate" sign below "keep gate closed" sign. Anyways, DNR says "nobody should be parking at that gate, blocking the gate or parking anywhere near that gate. That is your private gate, on your private road, on your private property. DNR land doesn't start until 150 feet inside of your gate and off to an angle. If people want to access that area they are supposed to go in on X, Y and Z roads that are green dot and then when the green dot roads end they can walk to that corner of DNR." About a month after that conversation they came out and replaced the old faded signage with new signage inside of my gate and off to the side of the road where the DNR land starts that the road goes through. The road hops back and forth on my property and DNR property. I have an easement to be driving on the portion of the road that is on DNR land, so do three of my neighbors. We are authorized as well as a few different agencies.So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
Everyone that I have asked to call DNR and confirm what I am telling them about that gate and that stretch of road has been set straight by DNR that the public is not supposed to access DNR land via my property or road system. There are mulitple access points to the exact same spot so I am not blocking access in any way, I am only protecting my private property.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:15:29 AM
We have dealt with this problem alot since purchasing our property a little over a year ago. The previous land owner was out of state and didn't care if people used his property to recreate or access the Hancock land beyond that. We have had several people cited for trespassing because they think they have a right to use our easement to access that Hancock land.This is the other problem. I bought timber company land that used to be open to the public, new ownership, new signage. It was for sale for two years anyone could have bought before I did. Just get out your wallet and buy the land if you want to continue to use it. If not you have to follow the new owners rules.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:17:23 AM
The shoot, grab and run happens at least once a year on my place.Hunting on the Eastside has shown me a few things.....
Most often it seems like trespassing is a local thing.....oh I know so and so or we'll I'm local or well I've hunted this area all my life.
I've only knowingly trespassed once. Was way out of my intended range and borderline lost. I could see a main road from elevation and knew if I went down I could simply walk the road a few miles to camp. Np problem except the huge tract of land and house below me. I headed down and when got to the property I unloaded, packed away my ammo and made a beeline best I could towards the house. I could see activity outside and I clearly stood out in my orange. Landowner met me when I got close and was clearly looking for an explanation. I introduced myself, apologized, explained where I came from and was intending to go. He looked me over, noticed my rifle was empty and said well these things happen. Glass of water and a handshake I was on my way.
Knowingly trespassing is simply not ok rural or not.
I woulda been totally cool w that :tup:
It's the guys doing the shoot from their truck then run through your fence to snag and grab that buck, turkey that give hunters the bad name.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:26:30 AM
DNR has an easement and it is very specific who can use it, what it can be used for and what they have to do every time that they do use it. I can guarantee you the public does not have an easement to mine. If they did the county wouldn't be seeking federal funds to purchase an easement from me and improve the road for public use. The county is looking to do it because there is no easement and DNR doesn't want to modify their easement because they don't care about the public accessing the land from my side of the property, like I said before there are multiple legal public easements to the exact same spot, no need to cross my property to get there. BPA had to pay in 1990 for an easement to access their powerlines that had been there forever because they never had a legal easement.So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
And you would be wrong and be the exact kind of person that I wouldn't want near my property. This is just like the corner crossing debate. Everyone feels so entitled to anything labeled public or government owned and you don't know what your talking about. So you go in anyways and cause a problem for the landowner to deal with and then the LEO that shows up can't hardly do anything cuz people play stupid and the law as it's written says "knowingly" entering private property. So you say "Oh I didn't know" so the matter gets written off as unimportant and nothing happens. Then it happens over and over and over cuz people THINK they can do whatever they want and don't respect private property. You just want to spout off about being an important American citizen with tax dollars paying for the right to disrespect people and their property. Rainier10 is talking about people like you just driving in and acting like they can do whatever they want. It would be great if everyone walked in past the gate instead of destroying it. All of you who pop off about public land entitlement don't have a clue.
Oh, I have a clue.
As a professional forester for 50 years with both private industry and government I have seen private owners post PUBLIC LAND. Steal PUBLIC TIMBER. AND ALL THAT TIME COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PUBLIC. It works both ways.
Yes, the PUBLIC is "entitled to anything labeled public or government owned" particularly public land.
Give me a break.
I have had landowners try to kick me off public land. I calmly dial 911 and ask a deputy sheriff to show up. Guess what, at the point every landowner said, "yes, that is public land, but YOU should still ask permission to since I live here". I did help knowing the Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel.
Kicking the public off public land is a THEFT of government property. It is that simple.
BTW... I reviewed and checked the legal easements to the Wenatchee River that the Game Department bought years ago. There are almost a hundred of them. Some of those easements cost hunters and fisherman THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in license fees. Now, the NEW landowners want the easements terminated at NO COST to them!!!
Sounds like the public has a legal easement across your property and you don't like it. Fine, you never should have given DNR a public easement across your property. Your lucky they agreed to limit vehicle traffic.
The public is getting ripped off by private landowners left and right in Washington and other states. Time to end it.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:30:04 AM
These last few posts...I am right there with you Macs B. I think you even reached out to discuss my procedure for granting access. We have additional insurance coverage, release of liability forms, color coded access passes and each year we have allowed less access because of people breaking simple rules. It is so frustrating to allow access and have people abuse the privilege's.
This is the main reason that I have quit letting people use my land. This sense of entitlement and the attitude that someone has a right to use my property because of "their interpretation" is exactly the reason that we no longer allow people access.
It was not always like this. People who use the woods were respectful. I have had timber men, farmers, you name it hunt my properties with no concerns. They collect mushrooms, or greens or owl biscuits, whatever. Gates were closed, trash wasn't dumped, roads weren't tore up. That's not the case anymore, and that is why we shut the doors to everyone except those that we invite.
Post by: birddogdad on April 27, 2022, 10:32:25 AM
Go to the county assessor's web site and look at it on the map. If there is an easement, it will show up on there.
The assessors site will show roads but it does NOT say if there is an easement through the property. Title Company can run a preliminary Title report and it will show if there is a recorded easement through the property and to whom the easement is for..Lots of State Land has easements for DNR only--- through private property but the easement does not mean that the public has legal access also....Just knock on the guys door and ask....he's probably used to it.
Also, it looks like the road ends before it gets to the state land....so you will need permission from that land owner.
Drove by your place last weekend and smiled at your yard crew! The turkeys were out on display!
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 10:40:22 AM
These last few posts...I am right there with you Macs B. I think you even reached out to discuss my procedure for granting access. We have additional insurance coverage, release of liability forms, color coded access passes and each year we have allowed less access because of people breaking simple rules. It is so frustrating to allow access and have people abuse the privilege's.
This is the main reason that I have quit letting people use my land. This sense of entitlement and the attitude that someone has a right to use my property because of "their interpretation" is exactly the reason that we no longer allow people access.
It was not always like this. People who use the woods were respectful. I have had timber men, farmers, you name it hunt my properties with no concerns. They collect mushrooms, or greens or owl biscuits, whatever. Gates were closed, trash wasn't dumped, roads weren't tore up. That's not the case anymore, and that is why we shut the doors to everyone except those that we invite.
Someone posting with real world experience yet folks will say "you act like that stuff happens all the time" and unfortunately it does. Even after someone got permission, they still wrecked something and didn't follow the rules. Weird.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 10:45:25 AM
Exactly. The worst part is we try to manage it so I have someone hunting every general season, every permit season and every weapon type so I always have an extra set of eyes watching the place. When someone screws up I want to put someone else in that slot but it is tough to do at that point. Why would I even try only to be disappointed if they don't follow direction or do something I never even thought I had to explain not to? It's just frustrating.These last few posts...I am right there with you Macs B. I think you even reached out to discuss my procedure for granting access. We have additional insurance coverage, release of liability forms, color coded access passes and each year we have allowed less access because of people breaking simple rules. It is so frustrating to allow access and have people abuse the privilege's.
This is the main reason that I have quit letting people use my land. This sense of entitlement and the attitude that someone has a right to use my property because of "their interpretation" is exactly the reason that we no longer allow people access.
It was not always like this. People who use the woods were respectful. I have had timber men, farmers, you name it hunt my properties with no concerns. They collect mushrooms, or greens or owl biscuits, whatever. Gates were closed, trash wasn't dumped, roads weren't tore up. That's not the case anymore, and that is why we shut the doors to everyone except those that we invite.
Someone posting with real world experience yet folks will say "you act like that stuff happens all the time" and unfortunately it does. Even after someone got permission, they still wrecked something and didn't follow the rules. Weird.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 27, 2022, 11:08:47 AM
I proceeded to fake laugh as loud as I could :chuckle:
Told him to have a nice life and lose my number.
The amount of entitlement in today's world blows me away. I get probably 50/100 calls a year. I do give access to some.
Attitude and proper communication skills go a long way.
The moment it feels like "I am entitled to" or "you have to" is coming across. The phone calls ends quickly.
Post by: salmosalar on April 27, 2022, 11:33:52 AM
On he first day of rifle season the neighbor was on camera. He had not called. We had a discussion with the neighbor. No more access. He just had to call and could not do that.
In the last year I have had 2 cameras stolen and he has had 2 cars dumped as well as caught others on camera. In that time I have contacted neighbors and others in the area asking for access. Sometimes it's a yes, sometimes it's a no. I am always kind though and I always ask. It's not hard to get an e-mail or an address and ask.
It's also not hard to look up any easements and read them for yourself. The Bonneville easements and the DNR easements etc. are all recorded. It's clear what they are. Just look them up. County GIS and auditor sites work. Even if there is an easement, I am tempted to ask/notify ahead of time. It's just he polite thing to do.
Post by: Fatherof5 on April 27, 2022, 12:30:11 PM
Its frustrating to hear the comments from property owners on this thread about issues they've had to deal with. Explains why it gets harder and harder to find new areas with each passing year. I'm trying to train my kids in the mindset that when someone gives you permission to come on their land, treat it as being a guest in someone's home. Because that's what it is.
And if your told no hunting/access, just move on. Someone will say yes eventually.
Common decency is not so common these days.
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 12:32:34 PM
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Oh yeah? Well my friend has 40 acres in Ellensburg. I spent the entire weekend playing with scorpions.
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
So you trespassed through 4 different pieces of private ground to get where you were? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
Nope, hes already talked with them all before he even bought the land actually, great assumption making skills though jack you were always on top of them.Oh yeah? Well my friend has 40 acres in Ellensburg. I spent the entire weekend playing with scorpions.
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
So you trespassed through 4 different pieces of private ground to get where you were? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
The road consists of about 6 properties of which 3 live there full time.
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 12:42:51 PM
Any other investigative questions???Oh yeah? Well my friend has 40 acres in Ellensburg. I spent the entire weekend playing with scorpions.
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
So you trespassed through 4 different pieces of private ground to get where you were? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2022, 12:51:03 PM
Any other investigative questions???Oh yeah? Well my friend has 40 acres in Ellensburg. I spent the entire weekend playing with scorpions.
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
So you trespassed through 4 different pieces of private ground to get where you were? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
Not investigating anything. Just reading what you wrote and wondering what the actual story was.
As you were.
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
Sorry I dont always like, automatically typically volunteer all information to a given situation so that anyone can understand it without someone asking me questions.Any other investigative questions???Oh yeah? Well my friend has 40 acres in Ellensburg. I spent the entire weekend playing with scorpions.
Spent my whole life here and never even seen one, go out to this dudes place I find 9 within 30 mins.
Gotta pass through like 4 other private properties, have some INSANE 4x4, and gotta tote alllll your own water. Was cool.
Eastern wa is def a different breed. *Just now learning about easements and such*
So you trespassed through 4 different pieces of private ground to get where you were? Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
Not investigating anything. Just reading what you wrote and wondering what the actual story was.
As you were.
As no one should. love you.
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 01:02:06 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick to public 😁
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 27, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Almost the exact same situation we are in and the same conversation I have had with people I have caught.We have dealt with this problem alot since purchasing our property a little over a year ago. The previous land owner was out of state and didn't care if people used his property to recreate or access the Hancock land beyond that. We have had several people cited for trespassing because they think they have a right to use our easement to access that Hancock land.This is the other problem. I bought timber company land that used to be open to the public, new ownership, new signage. It was for sale for two years anyone could have bought before I did. Just get out your wallet and buy the land if you want to continue to use it. If not you have to follow the new owners rules.
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2022, 02:02:29 PM
Like a microwave hot pocket ready to EXPLODE.
Thicker than frozen peanut butter.
I'm gonna need a lot of 🍿
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 02:14:19 PM
It was getting hot and steamy in here."thissss errrss myyyy lerrrndddd"
Like a microwave hot pocket ready to EXPLODE.
Thicker than frozen peanut butter.
I'm gonna need a lot of 🍿
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 02:15:19 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 02:18:00 PM
I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick to public 😁
There's nothing on my land, all the good stuff is behind it on the DNR ground that I'm hoarding all for myself! 1,000,000,000,000 acres and it's all mine!
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 02:19:14 PM
Well guess what, If you dont fence your stuff off or at the least mark it I'm coming through boy. Ill tell you what. Yall can kiss it.
Ooh! You sound so tough! I'll bet you wake up and forget what you were doing if you stomp through my place cool guy!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2022, 02:27:56 PM
I'll giant sling shot in there if the crappie are over 12". Just sayin...I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick to public 😁
There's nothing on my land, all the good stuff is behind it on the DNR ground that I'm hoarding all for myself! 1,000,000,000,000 acres and it's all mine!
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2022, 02:30:46 PM
I'm bunny hop my ebike ,100,000,000,000 acres is a lot.I'll giant sling shot in there if the crappie are over 12". Just sayin...I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick to public 😁
There's nothing on my land, all the good stuff is behind it on the DNR ground that I'm hoarding all for myself! 1,000,000,000,000 acres and it's all mine!
I'm gonna need extra batterys and a solar panel.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 02:42:02 PM
I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:That is exactly why we have the additional insurance and have guests sign the liability release form. The last thing I need is some clutz on a mountain bike( since your not an ebike guy) taking and elk shed to the spokes, crashing and then suing me. Not specifically calling you out call but I feel like you are prone to these types of accidents.
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick to public 😁
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 02:45:39 PM
Hella tuff.Well guess what, If you dont fence your stuff off or at the least mark it I'm coming through boy. Ill tell you what. Yall can kiss it.
Ooh! You sound so tough! I'll bet you wake up and forget what you were doing if you stomp through my place cool guy!
Btw, how dare you assume my gender.
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 02:52:12 PM
Karl, the brown trout are what your looking for. Not crappie, the browns during hunting season! Massive Kype's and crazy red bellies!
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2022, 02:58:14 PM
Good thing I got liability too cuz Smossy is clearly tripping already! :chuckle: You called me boy! I'm a man! He, him, sir, master, gentleman, and the like...Whoa I all most thought you was gonna say KING 👑
Karl, the brown trout are what your looking for. Not crappie, the browns during hunting season! Massive Kype's and crazy red bellies!
There can only be one king to rule them all.
His name is inslee
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
Tripping already? I been "tripping" for many years.Good thing I got liability too cuz Smossy is clearly tripping already! :chuckle: You called me boy! I'm a man! He, him, sir, master, gentleman, and the like...Whoa I all most thought you was gonna say KING 👑
Karl, the brown trout are what your looking for. Not crappie, the browns during hunting season! Massive Kype's and crazy red bellies!
There can only be one king to rule them all.
His name is inslee
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2022, 03:58:05 PM
Good thing I got liability too cuz Smossy is clearly tripping already! :chuckle: You called me boy! I'm a man! He, him, sir, master, gentleman, and the like...brown trout on private? Is this the trespassing thread or the pooping outside thread :o
Karl, the brown trout are what your looking for. Not crappie, the browns during hunting season! Massive Kype's and crazy red bellies!
Post by: jackelope on April 27, 2022, 03:59:09 PM
I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick topublicpavement😁
Fixed it for you....to keep you safe.
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2022, 04:00:59 PM
Self admittance to favoritism. Forums are corrupt.I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick topublicpavement😁
Fixed it for you....to keep you safe.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2022, 04:01:13 PM
still probably won't help :chuckle:I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick topublicpavement😁
Fixed it for you....to keep you safe.
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 05:40:10 PM
Post by: Pinetar on April 27, 2022, 05:57:37 PM
still probably won't help :chuckle:I was gonna trespass on LD's land but I hear the crappie fishing isn't worth a crap :chuckle:
And I don't dare trespass on Rainiers dirt as all the giant elk sheds are a tripping hazard. He told me I'm not allowed in the hospital pre season this year so guess I'll stick topublicpavement😁
Fixed it for you....to keep you safe.
Whoa Karl, Crappie fishing over Turkey hunting with them kiddos? Get you priorities straight before one of these trespassers blasts them birds. Fishing is for when there is nothing to shoot. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on April 27, 2022, 08:36:50 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on April 27, 2022, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: 509 on April 30, 2022, 07:04:29 PM
DNR has an easement and it is very specific who can use it, what it can be used for and what they have to do every time that they do use it. I can guarantee you the public does not have an easement to mine. If they did the county wouldn't be seeking federal funds to purchase an easement from me and improve the road for public use. The county is looking to do it because there is no easement and DNR doesn't want to modify their easement because they don't care about the public accessing the land from my side of the property, like I said before there are multiple legal public easements to the exact same spot, no need to cross my property to get there. BPA had to pay in 1990 for an easement to access their powerlines that had been there forever because they never had a legal easement.So let me see if I have this straight. I pay a ton of money for a bunch of land. I then pay a ton of money every year after that in property taxes for the right to continue to own my land. On top of that I have to provide the documentation to everyone that wants access through my land that they don't have access when there is a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"?......................
IF what you say is TRUE.......
GET RID OF THE DNR SIGN!!!
IF what you say is true. DNR has NO JURISDICTION OVER YOUR LAND. Do not let them post that sign.
Call them and have it removed.
Put up your OWN SIGN...NO LEGAL ACCESS to public land beyond this point. Then add a PRIVATE ROAD and NO TRESSPASSING sign underneath it.
Why is there a sign from DNR that says "authorized vehicles only beyond this sign"???
That language says "authorized vehicles". That means VEHICLES, not restrictions on public access.
The Forest Service, BLM and other agencies use the SAME LANGUAGE when the road is closed to vehicles, BUT OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
IF there is NO PUBLIC EASEMENT on your property. Get rid of that SIGN!!!! Why is it posted in the first place??
That is why JOE BLOW is going across your property. If I saw that sign, I would walk right up that road particularly if I knew that there was DNR beyond your property.
And you would be wrong and be the exact kind of person that I wouldn't want near my property. This is just like the corner crossing debate. Everyone feels so entitled to anything labeled public or government owned and you don't know what your talking about. So you go in anyways and cause a problem for the landowner to deal with and then the LEO that shows up can't hardly do anything cuz people play stupid and the law as it's written says "knowingly" entering private property. So you say "Oh I didn't know" so the matter gets written off as unimportant and nothing happens. Then it happens over and over and over cuz people THINK they can do whatever they want and don't respect private property. You just want to spout off about being an important American citizen with tax dollars paying for the right to disrespect people and their property. Rainier10 is talking about people like you just driving in and acting like they can do whatever they want. It would be great if everyone walked in past the gate instead of destroying it. All of you who pop off about public land entitlement don't have a clue.
Oh, I have a clue.
As a professional forester for 50 years with both private industry and government I have seen private owners post PUBLIC LAND. Steal PUBLIC TIMBER. AND ALL THAT TIME COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PUBLIC. It works both ways.
Yes, the PUBLIC is "entitled to anything labeled public or government owned" particularly public land.
Give me a break.
I have had landowners try to kick me off public land. I calmly dial 911 and ask a deputy sheriff to show up. Guess what, at the point every landowner said, "yes, that is public land, but YOU should still ask permission to since I live here". I did help knowing the Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel.
Kicking the public off public land is a THEFT of government property. It is that simple.
BTW... I reviewed and checked the legal easements to the Wenatchee River that the Game Department bought years ago. There are almost a hundred of them. Some of those easements cost hunters and fisherman THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in license fees. Now, the NEW landowners want the easements terminated at NO COST to them!!!
Sounds like the public has a legal easement across your property and you don't like it. Fine, you never should have given DNR a public easement across your property. Your lucky they agreed to limit vehicle traffic.
The public is getting ripped off by private landowners left and right in Washington and other states. Time to end it.
IF what you say is TRUE.......
GET RID OF THE DNR SIGN!!!
IF what you say is true. DNR has NO JURISDICTION OVER YOUR LAND. Do not let them post that sign.
Call them and have it removed.
Put up your OWN SIGN...NO LEGAL ACCESS to public land beyond this point. Then add a PRIVATE ROAD and NO TRESSPASSING sign underneath it.
Add your name to the sign. If your stealing public access to their land, it wil simplify the process of contacting the authoritities.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 01, 2022, 05:54:08 PM
Fyi on my property I do have signage with my contact information on it.
I don’t make a habit of posting land that I don’t own and I don’t rip signage down from adjacent property that is managed by others.
Maybe your advice would apply to other property elsewhere, I really have no idea. What I do know is it doesn’t apply to my property and my easements with DNR and BPA. That’s not just my personal opinion it is the opinion of my lawyers and the lawyers for the county.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 01, 2022, 06:00:57 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 01, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
On a serious note, I have what I consider great signage covering myself. Hunter orange 12x12 signs about access, hunting,fishing, trappping…….by written permission only. My signs are posted so from any sign if you look right or left you can see the next sign. Typically 60-80 yards apart. It looks hideous but even at that I have had people say “ I didn’t see the sign where I parked and crossed the fence.”
What never entered my mind was the 12x12 square with “NOTICE” across it makes a perfect target for hunters to target practice on midday of rifle season.
It is so frustrating the lack of respect some, not you Karl, have for property that isn’t theirs. It is even more frustrating to hear what I should do as a private land owner to inform others that it is private and prove that there is no easement or that what I’m saying is TRUE.
Post by: Dan-o on May 01, 2022, 07:26:25 PM
That’s a great sign Karl.
On a serious note, I have what I consider great signage covering myself. Hunter orange 12x12 signs about access, hunting,fishing, trappping…….by written permission only. My signs are posted so from any sign if you look right or left you can see the next sign. Typically 60-80 yards apart. It looks hideous but even at that I have had people say “ I didn’t see the sign where I parked and crossed the fence.”
What never entered my mind was the 12x12 square with “NOTICE” across it makes a perfect target for hunters to target practice on midday of rifle season.
It is so frustrating the lack of respect some, not you Karl, have for property that isn’t theirs. It is even more frustrating to hear what I should do as a private land owner to inform others that it is private and prove that there is no easement or that what I’m saying is TRUE.
What makes you think Karl hasn't tried to hit your 12 X 12 signs?
:o :o
I jest Mr. B. :hello:
On a serious note, you've clearly gone above and beyond in taking care of your land, including how you've posted it...
The abuse has to be infuriating.
Post by: LDennis24 on May 01, 2022, 09:14:09 PM
Found this one today. Think you should take this idea and run with it Rainier :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hey, I know that place!
Was this one still there too?
Post by: Rainier10 on May 01, 2022, 10:11:06 PM
Or hey I see you now own some great ground, we have a terminally I’ll hunter who could really benefit from your land and road system. Sure you bet.
Watching young hunters get their first animal in an unpressured environment where they have time to get a quality shot at a deer or an elk without the pumpkin brigade swarming in and unloading on the animal first is an unreal experience.
It is very rewarding when people do it the right way and gives me hope in our future.
They aren’t making any more land so the future of hunting is going to rely on good relationships with private landowners.
Like I said in another post the majority of land in Washington state is privately owned.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2022, 05:54:51 AM
yeah but I didn't catch it until I was just passing it and was too lazy to turn around just for a pic. Plus I felt he isn't the kind of guy I wanted to have to deal with on my beautiful Sunday drive :chuckle: man that country is just beautiful this time of year.Found this one today. Think you should take this idea and run with it Rainier :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hey, I know that place!
Was this one still there too?
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 02, 2022, 06:52:44 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 02, 2022, 08:40:46 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 02, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
All the men except Gary have passed away in that family in the last few yrs. That was a disgruntled woman who made that sign! She is mean and tough as rawhide. She would probably shoot you then walk up and cut your sack clean off and throw it to the other dog they have. They have a crazy hillbilly hired man who calls himself The Norwegian or something. He is always running around out there and will stop and yack at you about how BA he is and how you better watch yourself around him! LMAO He's a character for sure.and thats why I waited till I was through that stretch to stop and grab my water out of the cooler :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on May 02, 2022, 08:59:41 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 04, 2022, 10:45:56 AM