Post by: one more on April 23, 2022, 10:28:53 AM
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Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 23, 2022, 12:06:02 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 23, 2022, 12:13:41 PM
As long as it's under #4 shot it makes no difference on lead, steel, tungsten. The only place you might have to use steel is on the waterfowl areas.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 23, 2022, 07:40:35 PM
It is illegal to hunt turkeys with a weapon other than shotgun or muzzleloading shotgun shooting #4 or smaller shot. (From the Wdfw regulations)Actually your backwards you can shoot 4 shot or smaller 5,6,7 or 9. The smaller the number the larger the shot. I know kind of backwards. I shoot tss 9 shot in .410 which is way smaller than 4 shot and legal. 2 shot illegal becaue it is bigger than 4 shot.
As long as it's under #4 shot it makes no difference on lead, steel, tungsten. The only place you might have to use steel is on the waterfowl areas.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 23, 2022, 07:41:52 PM
Have you been able to buy 12 gauge ammo for turkeys? Any of the new TSS? The shelves are empty at Cabela's. I still have some copper coated lead also some older shells that don't say what they are. Can I use them or would I get a ticket? I'd hate to finally get a turkey and have to give it up.Is it 4 shot or smaller if it is shoot away except on certain WDFW managed land they require non toxic shot.
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Post by: Ridgeratt on April 23, 2022, 08:00:39 PM
It is illegal to hunt turkeys with a weapon other than shotgun or muzzleloading shotgun shooting #4 or smaller shot. (From the Wdfw regulations)Actually your backwards you can shoot 4 shot or smaller 5,6,7 or 9. The smaller the number the larger the shot. I know kind of backwards. I shoot tss 9 shot in .410 which is way smaller than 4 shot and legal. 2 shot illegal becaue it is bigger than 4 shot.
As long as it's under #4 shot it makes no difference on lead, steel, tungsten. The only place you might have to use steel is on the waterfowl areas.
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This is where I copied and pasted the response:
https://www.eregulations.com/washington/hunting/game-bird/wild-turkey-seasons#:~:text=Wild%20Turkey%20Seasons%201%20Bag%20Limit.%20Hunters%20who,Weapons.%20...%204%20Restrictions.%20...%205%20Reporting.%20
Just didn't waste the paper on the entire regs. Under Weapons.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 23, 2022, 08:15:46 PM
I brought this up to the department and the acknowledge they are wrong. Smaller is backwards with shot size in shotguns. 4 shot is legal. Recommendation is 4,5,6 shot on department website in old school lead turkey loads. I guess the question would be what does everyone consider smaller the number size of the shot or the shot size?It is illegal to hunt turkeys with a weapon other than shotgun or muzzleloading shotgun shooting #4 or smaller shot. (From the Wdfw regulations)Actually your backwards you can shoot 4 shot or smaller 5,6,7 or 9. The smaller the number the larger the shot. I know kind of backwards. I shoot tss 9 shot in .410 which is way smaller than 4 shot and legal. 2 shot illegal becaue it is bigger than 4 shot.
As long as it's under #4 shot it makes no difference on lead, steel, tungsten. The only place you might have to use steel is on the waterfowl areas.
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This is where I copied and pasted the response:
https://www.eregulations.com/washington/hunting/game-bird/wild-turkey-seasons#:~:text=Wild%20Turkey%20Seasons%201%20Bag%20Limit.%20Hunters%20who,Weapons.%20...%204%20Restrictions.%20...%205%20Reporting.%20
Just didn't waste the paper on the entire regs. Under Weapons.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2022, 05:50:48 AM
Why can't we use down to like number 2 shot or BB size shot.
People use those for geese and waterfowl all the time and there about the same size bird.
Only thing I can figure is maybe safety reasons or something.
It just makes sense that a round used for geese would work for turkey.
On another note ,nobody said they was that smart at WDFW.
Would going down in shot size to BB and up ,really hurt anything?
I'm asking for a friend :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2022, 06:02:03 AM
I was curious of the reason why.It is a safety reason because your shooting those birds in flight and not on the ground. Plus i would use smaller shot because it is more pellets at least for turkeys on a pretty small target. I do see your reasoning though. That is the most common reg in most states for turkey. Nothing bigger than 4 shot.
Why can't we use down to like number 2 shot or BB size shot.
People use those for geese and waterfowl all the time and there about the same size bird.
Only thing I can figure is maybe safety reasons or something.
It just makes sense that a round used for geese would work for turkey.
On another note ,nobody said they was that smart at WDFW.
Would going down in shot size to BB and up ,really hurt anything?
I'm asking for a friend :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2022, 06:05:30 AM
Thanks for replyI was curious of the reason why.It is a safety reason because your shooting those birds in flight and not on the ground. Plus i would use smaller shot because it is more pellets at least for turkeys on a pretty small target. I do see your reasoning though. That is the most common reg in most states for turkey. Nothing bigger than 4 shot.
Why can't we use down to like number 2 shot or BB size shot.
People use those for geese and waterfowl all the time and there about the same size bird.
Only thing I can figure is maybe safety reasons or something.
It just makes sense that a round used for geese would work for turkey.
On another note ,nobody said they was that smart at WDFW.
Would going down in shot size to BB and up ,really hurt anything?
I'm asking for a friend :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Ya I figured it had something to due with safety.
The ammo company's have really focused in on it.
It might make those ammo company's sad if you could use waterfowl ammo at ALOT cheaper price.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2022, 06:07:16 AM
Didn't someone get shot in the face with bird shot a few years back.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2022, 06:07:30 AM
I read those regs. What it is saying that it is illegal to shoot anything other than shotguns or muzzle loading shotguns that shoot #4 shot or smaller. The illegal part is eluding to is rifles. At the end of course it says archery equipment and crossbows are legal.It is illegal to hunt turkeys with a weapon other than shotgun or muzzleloading shotgun shooting #4 or smaller shot. (From the Wdfw regulations)Actually your backwards you can shoot 4 shot or smaller 5,6,7 or 9. The smaller the number the larger the shot. I know kind of backwards. I shoot tss 9 shot in .410 which is way smaller than 4 shot and legal. 2 shot illegal becaue it is bigger than 4 shot.
As long as it's under #4 shot it makes no difference on lead, steel, tungsten. The only place you might have to use steel is on the waterfowl areas.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 24, 2022, 06:10:29 AM
Oh ya ,I know a hunter ed instructor and his buddy got shot by a kid because his dad saw the buddys blaze orange hat while the intructor and his buddy were standing in the middle of a forest road. Was face and neck for both. His buddy was shedding layers as they were walking to their spot. Daytime.
Didn't someone get shot in the face with bird shot a few years back.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2022, 06:14:01 AM
But are there some turkey shells on the market that will put like size 2 and size 4 shot in the same shell,write size 4 on the shell .
It's just a rumor I heard from a friend ,don't really know if there is any truth to that.
Basically they put size 4 on the shell or box cause that's what mostly is the shot size in that shell.
I'm not gonna name any company names.
But when I was patterned my son's shotgun with about 4 different brands of "turkey ammo" on paper plates.
There was one brand that seemed like there was different size holes in the plate. Which lead me to believe there wad different size shot in there.
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 24, 2022, 06:18:15 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2022, 06:21:42 AM
Remington made a duplex load 4x6. You could mow the lawn to 40 yards with them. Still have 3 or 4 boxes of them. But I quit hunting turkies in this state just got tired of nimrods stalking in on a setup.It does seem like those shells with different shot sizes do mow the lawn. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: one more on April 24, 2022, 05:38:51 PM
Does any dealer have a good supply on hand?
Iveexcaped 3, Thank you for the offer, but I need 2 3/4.
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Post by: salish on April 25, 2022, 09:13:23 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 25, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
If you can't find any of the new TSS shot this spring just stick to #5 or #6 high-base pheasant loads. I took my merriam last year with an ancient fixed choke shotgun with #5's right at 37 yards. I did the same thing this year with the #6 shot, at 30 yards. Both birds went down quickly. I bought some TSS for my 20ga but I have yet to try it. I'm probably going to save it for hunting in areas where a long shot is more of a possibility.Whatever you gun patterns best with. I have seen some Hevi-Shot Strut X and Sportsmen's Warehouse in Puyallup also some Hevi-Shot Magnum Blend both I have used and work great. If your using pheasant loads I would get them in close because they don't have quite the punch a turkey load has even in 2 3/4. Also have seen lots of Winchester XR Longbeard
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Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 25, 2022, 09:17:47 PM
Why are people paying this much for Turkey loads. And what is all the hype with tss. I have never bought anything other than the Kent's for 10 bucks for 10. I have never had a problem killing a Turkey. I would never spend more than 15 dollars on a box of 10. Like was mentioned before I have used pheasant loads and they work fine. All it takes is 1 bb in the brain.
Do you know what the cost difference is between tungsten and lead? It’s substantial. Which is why it’s so much more. I wouldn’t pay $50+ for a turkey load either but that’s the difference
Post by: Mulie87 on April 25, 2022, 09:50:23 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on April 25, 2022, 11:03:48 PM
Why are people paying this much for Turkey loads. And what is all the hype with tss. I have never bought anything other than the Kent's for 10 bucks for 10. I have never had a problem killing a Turkey. I would never spend more than 15 dollars on a box of 10. Like was mentioned before I have used pheasant loads and they work fine. All it takes is 1 bb in the brain.
Do you know what the cost difference is between tungsten and lead? It’s substantial. Which is why it’s so much more. I wouldn’t pay $50+ for a turkey load either but that’s the difference
Being as I run a 410 I use the TSS shot. Using a improved cylinder and modified fixed chokes in an over under. This sub guage shotgun has been more deadly for me out to 30 yards then I could have ever imagined. Yes expensive but I travel a great distance when I do hunt turkey and the shells have been worth every penny. It has been a game changer for me with limitations that I face. Even been amazing with goose hunting as well. I can't say enough good things about it. Although I do plan to reload and cut cost drastically with tss. Have everything needed but the shot itself. When I get time to order the shot I will quickly be loading my own. My reloads will soon hit the field as well.
Post by: emac on April 27, 2022, 05:36:26 AM
Yes I get the cost difference. But don't understand why someone would pay that much. Do the tss all of a sudden make you be able to shoot a Turkey at 100 yardsWhy are people paying this much for Turkey loads. And what is all the hype with tss. I have never bought anything other than the Kent's for 10 bucks for 10. I have never had a problem killing a Turkey. I would never spend more than 15 dollars on a box of 10. Like was mentioned before I have used pheasant loads and they work fine. All it takes is 1 bb in the brain.
Do you know what the cost difference is between tungsten and lead? It’s substantial. Which is why it’s so much more. I wouldn’t pay $50+ for a turkey load either but that’s the difference
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Post by: teanawayslayer on April 27, 2022, 06:38:04 AM
.410 for goose???Why are people paying this much for Turkey loads. And what is all the hype with tss. I have never bought anything other than the Kent's for 10 bucks for 10. I have never had a problem killing a Turkey. I would never spend more than 15 dollars on a box of 10. Like was mentioned before I have used pheasant loads and they work fine. All it takes is 1 bb in the brain.
Do you know what the cost difference is between tungsten and lead? It’s substantial. Which is why it’s so much more. I wouldn’t pay $50+ for a turkey load either but that’s the difference
Being as I run a 410 I use the TSS shot. Using a improved cylinder and modified fixed chokes in an over under. This sub guage shotgun has been more deadly for me out to 30 yards then I could have ever imagined. Yes expensive but I travel a great distance when I do hunt turkey and the shells have been worth every penny. It has been a game changer for me with limitations that I face. Even been amazing with goose hunting as well. I can't say enough good things about it. Although I do plan to reload and cut cost drastically with tss. Have everything needed but the shot itself. When I get time to order the shot I will quickly be loading my own. My reloads will soon hit the field as well.
Post by: duckmen1 on June 09, 2022, 10:31:17 PM
.410 for goose???Why are people paying this much for Turkey loads. And what is all the hype with tss. I have never bought anything other than the Kent's for 10 bucks for 10. I have never had a problem killing a Turkey. I would never spend more than 15 dollars on a box of 10. Like was mentioned before I have used pheasant loads and they work fine. All it takes is 1 bb in the brain.
Do you know what the cost difference is between tungsten and lead? It’s substantial. Which is why it’s so much more. I wouldn’t pay $50+ for a turkey load either but that’s the difference
Being as I run a 410 I use the TSS shot. Using a improved cylinder and modified fixed chokes in an over under. This sub guage shotgun has been more deadly for me out to 30 yards then I could have ever imagined. Yes expensive but I travel a great distance when I do hunt turkey and the shells have been worth every penny. It has been a game changer for me with limitations that I face. Even been amazing with goose hunting as well. I can't say enough good things about it. Although I do plan to reload and cut cost drastically with tss. Have everything needed but the shot itself. When I get time to order the shot I will quickly be loading my own. My reloads will soon hit the field as well.
Yeah I have shot at geese off and on and smoked every goose within 30 yards. Even took a shot at 40 yards paced off and smoked it. Thats with the #9tss. Bismuth works great on ducks with 6 shot but have tried shots with #6s twice and got 1 goose. Overall have been very successful with tss. Starting to finish gathering supplies to reload but now need a role crimper for the tss. Bismuth I have been loading with great results for ducks. But every load seems to have new equipment to buy and tss needs to be loaded very carefully with exact components to keep it safe since it is so hard of a metal. But the performance is amazing. The 410 is no joke to hunt with when you learn the firearm, different shot combos and the capability of the gun. Only wiffed a few shots last year on ducks by my misjudged aim. And recovery rate on ducks was around 90% on ducks down on shots and no lost cripples. So there is a lot to be said about the performance it can have. I remember someone laughing at me for bringing a 410 out for turkey in the fall. Had 2 tags. Saw a flock about 1 mile away. Made a move and dropped a double with the over under. Later bought 2 more tags and shot 1 bird each of the next 2 days filling my fall limit of 4 birds without a miss on turkey. And there was still crap talk about hunting with it. To some it's all about having the biggest baddest gear and they don't know how to use it. For me its about using the gear I have on hand, learning it well and becoming successful with what I am using. More challenging sure. But it is a blast. Main reason for using the 410 is because of a disability with the upper extremity which doesn't allow heavy recoil anymore. Main reason I made the switch from the past use of a 12 guage. I have learned so much making the switch and in my eyes it has made me a better hunter in some ways. I am very thankful I have been able to make those changes and still find the success I have been having. Whether its birds or big game. I have modified a lot of things and put in a lot of effort and feel very blessed to the time a field.
Post by: bearpaw on November 15, 2022, 03:22:33 PM
https://burgesscreekammo.com/
I just ordered my spring supply to beat the rush.
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Post by: birddogdad on January 26, 2023, 06:55:42 AM
Also a little bit of info I dug up about tss vs other shot.
exactly the argument i have had on many occasions with the die hards that say it is too expensive. "i do just fine with lead" or "let them get in closer" are standard replies. They dont even blink when they spend time, gas, gear and guns even private property pay to play money with no problem but pencil sharpen on ammo.. really makes no sense to me to not want to use "best tech out there".. harder to choke down for waterfowl at the burn rate of ammo and they make blends accordingly. but again, its small potatoes in the big picture with the limited times around the sun we get here. does it work better? absolutely. necessary? no. worth every penny? yes. has zero to do with shooting at game further for me but knowing that i have done all i can to tip the scale in my favor.
why run 89 octane in your race car when 91 is right there????
Post by: Dan-o on January 26, 2023, 07:38:17 AM
Also a little bit of info I dug up about tss vs other shot.
That is some great info.
Thank you for sharing.
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Post by: konradcountry on February 18, 2023, 05:22:44 PM
Yes I get the cost difference. But don't understand why someone would pay that much. Do the tss all of a sudden make you be able to shoot a Turkey at 100 yards
TSS lets you shoot from the hip with a cigar in your mouth 8)
But seriously I wouldn't bother with TSS for 12 or 20 gauge. Not at these prices.
Grand Slam will easily do the job out to 70 because of the flightcontrol wad. You just have to be careful with close shots.
I took a turkey with Nitro 3.5" at pretty long range and it just flopped. Tungsten is cool but I think lead is underestimated here.
I do buy the goose shells that have a sprinkle of Tungsten. But that is because the rest of it is steel.
If you shoot a 410 though that is a different matter. Pretty much required.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 19, 2023, 12:20:57 AM
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Post by: hunter399 on February 19, 2023, 04:14:49 AM
Midway has 3 1/2 in in stock ,but nothing eles.
Post by: GWP on February 19, 2023, 07:20:13 AM
Yes I get the cost difference. But don't understand why someone would pay that much. Do the tss all of a sudden make you be able to shoot a Turkey at 100 yards
TSS lets you shoot from the hip with a cigar in your mouth 8)
But seriously I wouldn't bother with TSS for 12 or 20 gauge. Not at these prices.
Grand Slam will easily do the job out to 70 because of the flightcontrol wad. You just have to be careful with close shots.
I took a turkey with Nitro 3.5" at pretty long range and it just flopped. Tungsten is cool but I think lead is underestimated here.
I do buy the goose shells that have a sprinkle of Tungsten. But that is because the rest of it is steel.
If you shoot a 410 though that is a different matter. Pretty much required.
How many rounds are you shooting? I can understand price talks for waterfowl, but for turkey I would not think the price of shells would be a factor?
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Post by: Dan-o on February 19, 2023, 10:26:51 AM
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I bought a bunch of that in #6 shot, but 3.5".
Obviously it kills turkeys just fine.
This whole turkey ammo conversation always makes me laugh - at myself, not at anyone else.
I've shot a bunch of turkeys and almost all of them would be just as dead if I'd had a 20 guage with light trap loads. Vast majority have been inside 25 yards.
But even with a bunch of Longbeard 3.5" shells on my shelf, I itch to get some 3.5" TSS.
Post by: GWP on February 19, 2023, 10:35:37 AM
I have seen Winchester XR and others many places and they work just fine. I don't buy in to the hype of all the TSS and other $10/shell stuff. Do they pattern well and contain more shot? Sure they do, but my two dead toms every year can't seem to notice the difference :dunno:
Any shot will work as long as you are using it within it’s usable range, omitting weird and oddball results, but the premium shot types allow for longer ranges, if needed, and hits harder overall.
For me, spending hours on the road, all the other expenses, then using ammo that does not give me the best odds for success, even if I stayed within my ammo capability using another type, made the expense worth it for the number of times I could get out.
Everyone has to decide what is ‘worth it’ for them for any part of the adventure.
I am sure I would look at it differently if I was using a bunch. Say dove shooting in another country where there are hundreds of rounds fired each outing.
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Post by: hunter399 on February 19, 2023, 10:52:46 AM
I'd get a 100 yard shotgun.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
100 yard shotgun
Prove me wrong.
LOL 😆
Post by: salish on February 19, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
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I bought a bunch of that in #6 shot, but 3.5".
Obviously it kills turkeys just fine.
This whole turkey ammo conversation always makes me laugh - at myself, not at anyone else.
I've shot a bunch of turkeys and almost all of them would be just as dead if I'd had a 20 guage with light trap loads. Vast majority have been inside 25 yards.
But even with a bunch of Longbeard 3.5" shells on my shelf, I itch to get some 3.5" TSS.
This is my dead Rio from around 2012. I shot him at about 25 yards with an ancient 16ga using 2-1/2" #6 shells. Dead as a doornail. I've never purchased turkey-specific loads until last year. I've always used pheasant loads in #5 or #6. My longest shot was about 38 yards, all old full-choke guns. All died quickly. Last year I bought some Apex TSS #9 to use with my 20ga, but I have yet to try them. I may give them a try this season.(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-X8DzKhp/0/O/i-X8DzKhp.jpg)
Post by: GWP on February 19, 2023, 11:51:35 AM
My go to was a 1937 Model 12 16 ga with the chamber lengthened for many many years. Took everything from geese on down with it.
Still use 16’s. Underrated.
Post by: salish on February 19, 2023, 12:00:33 PM
Hey! A fellow 16 ga fan!
My go to was a 1937 Model 12 16 ga with the chamber lengthened for many many years. Took everything from geese on down with it.
Still use 16’s. Underrated.
I've been hunting upland birds with 16ga guns for at least 25 years, although I do own other gauges and sometimes hunt with them. The Model 12 is my go-to gun, although I do have A5's and LC Smith doubles in 16. My two Model 12's are old nickel steel guns made in 1914 & 1917. I've since had both guns converted to 2-3/4" and they're great. This past season I went ahead and bought a case of the super expensive Boss non-toxic shotshells in #6 and they crumple roosters like lead. I'll order some in #5 next year for waterfowl and long shots at departing chukar. Love these old guns.
Post by: konradcountry on February 19, 2023, 12:31:57 PM
How many rounds are you shooting? I can understand price talks for waterfowl, but for turkey I would not think the price of shells would be a factor?
Well for goose I don't buy full tungsten. It's the steel/tungsten mix and I have found it at $20 a box. Canada goose are surprisingly tough and we can't use lead.
I can pattern 3.5" Grand Slam to 70 so I don't see why I would buy TSS for turkey. I have shot a turkey past 50 yards but that is pretty unlikely. I'd only do it if is alone.
TSS is going for like $10 a round. Hard for me to justify when I have boxes of Grand Slam.
Now if I had a 410 I wouldn't shoot anything else. That is of course a much smaller pattern so every pellet counts.
My friend does a 410 with a red dot and TSS. Definitely a deadly combo but I still prefer my 12 gauge with 3.5" shells.
I also have a friend that rocks a break open 20 gauge with pheasant loads. Many ways of doing it.
I've never heard of someone getting a good shot on a turkey with lead and having it run off. The more common problem is missing at close range with a tight choke.
I use an extra full choke but I also pattern and know how tight it is at 10 yards. I once shot a turkey about that close and decapitated it.
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Post by: ghosthunter on February 19, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
If you are lucky you will only shoot a few turkey shells a year to pattern or shoot at birds. So couple boxes lasts a guy awhile. I split a case of turkey loads with a buddy. So May never buy them again in my life.
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Post by: konradcountry on February 19, 2023, 02:20:26 PM
Ok I am going to ask why 3.5. You all must not like your selves. 3.5 for water fowl yes I see that but turkey have a much harder punch then water fowl loads. I want to save my shoulder. 3 inch Hevi-Shot Magnum blend 3" 40 yards all day long
Yea they punch harder but I don't mind. I think it is fun actually.
You can often find a better price on 3.5 due to higher demand of the 3".
Letting that 3.5 rip is a great way to wake up your friends.
Post by: cem3434 on February 19, 2023, 02:51:48 PM
Ok I am going to ask why 3.5. You all must not like your selves. 3.5 for water fowl yes I see that but turkey have a much harder punch then water fowl loads. I want to save my shoulder. 3 inch Hevi-Shot Magnum blend 3" 40 yards all day long
Yea they punch harder but I don't mind. I think it is fun actually.
You can often find a better price on 3.5 due to higher demand of the 3".
Letting that 3.5 rip is a great way to wake up your friends.
:yeah: plus for me, I added another 15+ yards to my range by going to 3.5" loads. I can confidently shoot to 60 yards with my setup. Never lost a bird and have rolled several over 50 yards, but I still try to get them closer.
Post by: Dan-o on February 19, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
Ok I am going to ask why 3.5. You all must not like your selves. 3.5 for water fowl yes I see that but turkey have a much harder punch then water fowl loads. I want to save my shoulder. 3 inch Hevi-Shot Magnum blend 3" 40 yards all day long
Yea they punch harder but I don't mind. I think it is fun actually.
You can often find a better price on 3.5 due to higher demand of the 3".
Letting that 3.5 rip is a great way to wake up your friends.
:yeah: plus for me, I added another 15+ yards to my range by going to 3.5" loads. I can confidently shoot to 60 yards with my setup. Never lost a bird and have rolled several over 50 yards, but I still try to get them closer.
For me, honestly, 3.5" is just because I can.
It's no more expensive than 3"
I don't notice recoil when shooting at game.
But I bet I'd be a flinching fool if I ever tried to shoot a couple rounds of trap with it. :)
Post by: cem3434 on February 19, 2023, 03:29:56 PM
I did make the unfortunate mistake of shooting a Tristar that was a backup/buddy gun just to pattern it and I can tell you would not ever shoot 3.5" shells out of it again. The Berettas have spoiled me as the Tristar absolutely rocked me and I had no idea what I was in for after shooting Berettas with the kickoff system for so long. :chuckle:
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 19, 2023, 05:37:59 PM
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Post by: konradcountry on February 19, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
:yeah: plus for me, I added another 15+ yards to my range by going to 3.5" loads. I can confidently shoot to 60 yards with my setup. Never lost a bird and have rolled several over 50 yards, but I still try to get them closer.
Yea I can definitely push out a bit farther with them.
Calling them in is better but I like having the option of a long shot when running and gunning.
Post by: cem3434 on February 19, 2023, 05:54:21 PM
I would think Benneli's system would be the same. Only semi auto shotgun have is my .410 all others are pumps. Wife has a Benneli Nova that shoots smooth as silk.
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My wife has a Benelli Nova and I ended up buying her a Beretta Ultima specifically for waterfowl hunting. It only shoots 3", but it has noticeably less felt recoil than her Nova shooting 3" shells. Not sure which Nova your wife has, but I'm guessing it doesn't have a recoil deduction system in the stock.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 20, 2023, 05:39:32 AM
I made the mistake of letting her shoot my Mossberg. 410 semi-auto she said she will not shoot anything else and I must buy her one.I would think Benneli's system would be the same. Only semi auto shotgun have is my .410 all others are pumps. Wife has a Benneli Nova that shoots smooth as silk.
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My wife has a Benelli Nova and I ended up buying her a Beretta Ultima specifically for waterfowl hunting. It only shoots 3", but it has noticeably less felt recoil than her Nova shooting 3" shells. Not sure which Nova your wife has, but I'm guessing it doesn't have a recoil deduction system in the stock.
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Post by: hunter399 on February 20, 2023, 07:39:22 AM
My kid thinks those are the best shells.
Already got him some Winchester double x turkey loads.
You guys will think I'm weak ,I don't shoot anything over 3in.
All my guns take 3in or less ,but I would never shoot 3 1/2.
I'm still on the fence ,but I might just buy my turkey tag this year.
My options are a 20 gauge full choke 3in
12 gauge double barrel with full chokes in both barrel 3 in.
Stoeger upland shotgun I got as a gift,and haven't shot anything with it. I put new chokes in it last year and took it out ,made sure it fires.
3 in out of that double barrel kicks pretty good.
I might use 2 3/4 ,but one 3in to kill a turkey might be ok.
Post by: ghosthunter on February 20, 2023, 09:30:29 AM
Gonna look around some more today for those grand slams.
My kid thinks those are the best shells.
Already got him some Winchester double x turkey loads.
You guys will think I'm weak ,I don't shoot anything over 3in.
All my guns take 3in or less ,but I would never shoot 3 1/2.
I'm still on the fence ,but I might just buy my turkey tag this year.
My options are a 20 gauge full choke 3in
12 gauge double barrel with full chokes in both barrel 3 in.
Stoeger upland shotgun I got as a gift,and haven't shot anything with it. I put new chokes in it last year and took it out ,made sure it fires.
3 in out of that double barrel kicks pretty good.
I might use 2 3/4 ,but one 3in to kill a turkey might be ok.
I shot 3.5 a few times. I still have a few, but only as a last resort. Guys kill turkeys every year with 2.5 and 3 inch shells. At some point with any game you reach a line. Is it the killing or the hunting you are there for? If rifles were allowed there would be folks hunting turkeys with rifles, but what’s the point in that. I like to turkey hunt to interact with the birds. But maybe that’s why I have never shot one. Call them too close and miss.
One final note, every guy I know that hunted mainly with 300 WM type rifles or shot 3 or 3.5 a lot in latter years ended up with shoulder issues. Something to consider.
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on February 20, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
Gonna look around some more today for those grand slams.
My kid thinks those are the best shells.
Already got him some Winchester double x turkey loads.
You guys will think I'm weak ,I don't shoot anything over 3in.
All my guns take 3in or less ,but I would never shoot 3 1/2.
I'm still on the fence ,but I might just buy my turkey tag this year.
My options are a 20 gauge full choke 3in
12 gauge double barrel with full chokes in both barrel 3 in.
Stoeger upland shotgun I got as a gift,and haven't shot anything with it. I put new chokes in it last year and took it out ,made sure it fires.
3 in out of that double barrel kicks pretty good.
I might use 2 3/4 ,but one 3in to kill a turkey might be ok.
Not weak at all. I've all but transitioned everything to a 20g. Waterfowl, upland and this year probably turkey as well. They are light, swing great and more enjoyable to shoot. Get the bird close enough and it doesn't really make much of a difference what you shoot. Use what works for you sir!
Post by: hunter399 on February 20, 2023, 10:36:50 AM
The 20 is a Mossberg pump .
Nothing too special.
I'll have to check the double for function and safety again.
I have to take the kid out for practice and pattern his gun before season. Just put a red dot on his for his birthday.
Post by: hunter399 on February 20, 2023, 10:40:22 AM
Ya 3in 20 or 12 gauge turkey load should get the job done.
Is there better ,Heck ya there is.
TSS is like Lord the rings,1 shot shell to rule them all.
But is does come at a cost.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 20, 2023, 01:55:43 PM
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Post by: HAGEMANIAC on February 20, 2023, 01:56:55 PM
I can tell you all this is lead is going to become a thing of the past. Non profits like RMEF and NWTF and others are starting to get onboard with non toxic shot. Even manfactures of ammo are talking about it. I keep hearing rumblings from above that it is coming.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit, Russ. That's the day I will shoot the same load for Pheasant/Turkey.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 20, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
There is a lot of turkey hunters I know out there shooting water fowl loads. I started out using Remington Super Nitro 5 shot with a 12 ga fixed choke 2 3/4". Progressed on in guns to 3" using super nitro turkey loads, then hevi-shot magnum blend 12 ga. Then Federal TSS 7&9. Now my .410 Federal TSS 9's. Also have some Federal Diamond Turkey loads in 8. They are copper. Kill out to 30. My stand by loads when I can't find any TSS. With the 5 boxes of Federal TSS I brought back from Nashville I should be good for a couple years again.I can tell you all this is lead is going to become a thing of the past. Non profits like RMEF and NWTF and others are starting to get onboard with non toxic shot. Even manfactures of ammo are talking about it. I keep hearing rumblings from above that it is coming.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit, Russ. That's the day I will shoot the same load for Pheasant/Turkey.
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Post by: salish on February 20, 2023, 03:31:51 PM
I can tell you all this is lead is going to become a thing of the past. Non profits like RMEF and NWTF and others are starting to get onboard with non toxic shot. Even manfactures of ammo are talking about it. I keep hearing rumblings from above that it is coming.
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That's one of the reasons I bought a case of Boss for my 16ga guns. I still have lead and I'll try to use it up before we go to a total lead ban, though.
Post by: birddogdad on February 21, 2023, 07:45:58 AM
There is a lot of turkey hunters I know out there shooting water fowl loads. I started out using Remington Super Nitro 5 shot with a 12 ga fixed choke 2 3/4". Progressed on in guns to 3" using super nitro turkey loads, then hevi-shot magnum blend 12 ga. Then Federal TSS 7&9. Now my .410 Federal TSS 9's. Also have some Federal Diamond Turkey loads in 8. They are copper. Kill out to 30. My stand by loads when I can't find any TSS. With the 5 boxes of Federal TSS I brought back from Nashville I should be good for a couple years again.I can tell you all this is lead is going to become a thing of the past. Non profits like RMEF and NWTF and others are starting to get onboard with non toxic shot. Even manfactures of ammo are talking about it. I keep hearing rumblings from above that it is coming.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit, Russ. That's the day I will shoot the same load for Pheasant/Turkey.
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i dont think lead shot or powder are even produced in America any longer. EPA/Gvmt has done away with this is one of the early round attempts at 2A. Tungsten comes i think mostly from China, but i may be wrong...
Post by: hunter399 on February 21, 2023, 07:51:31 AM
Is our state is going lead free on all projectile.
Bullets/shot and all that.
And I believe him.
Probably in the next 5 year.
Steel shoot waterfowl loads are pretty cheap and will be the go to for most turkey hunters in the future.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 21, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
I think what Russ is trying to say.Not just WA state, I am saying nationwide.
Is our state is going lead free on all projectile.
Bullets/shot and all that.
And I believe him.
Probably in the next 5 year.
Steel shoot waterfowl loads are pretty cheap and will be the go to for most turkey hunters in the future.
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Post by: hunter399 on February 21, 2023, 08:37:39 AM
WowI think what Russ is trying to say.Not just WA state, I am saying nationwide.
Is our state is going lead free on all projectile.
Bullets/shot and all that.
And I believe him.
Probably in the next 5 year.
Steel shoot waterfowl loads are pretty cheap and will be the go to for most turkey hunters in the future.
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May be true.
I do know Washington is jumping on the lead free wagon.
Doesn't surprise me though ,nation wide.
Post by: konradcountry on February 21, 2023, 04:20:27 PM
I shot 3.5 a few times. I still have a few, but only as a last resort. Guys kill turkeys every year with 2.5 and 3 inch shells. At some point with any game you reach a line. Is it the killing or the hunting you are there for? If rifles were allowed there would be folks hunting turkeys with rifles, but what’s the point in that. I like to turkey hunt to interact with the birds. But maybe that’s why I have never shot one. Call them too close and miss.
One final note, every guy I know that hunted mainly with 300 WM type rifles or shot 3 or 3.5 a lot in latter years ended up with shoulder issues. Something to consider.
I really don't see why 3.5 shells would be compared to rifles.
You can shoot a turkey at 50 yards with a 20 gauge and TSS. What is the difference if you go 10-15 yards further with a 3.5?
It's in fact a harder shot. Pushing out that far takes practice and it shouldn't be done by anyone that is uncomfortable with the kick.
Most turkeys are taken within 40 yards. I like to call in turkeys but I also like taking my 12 gauge.
For those of us that hunt public and live hours away a turkey at 60 yards could be the only one we see.
I've also hunted with a bow and it is much harder than using a 410. But that doesn't mean I view a smaller gauge as less sporting. Most of the time is spent finding the turkey in any case.
Post by: konradcountry on February 21, 2023, 04:34:59 PM
I think what Russ is trying to say.
Is our state is going lead free on all projectile.
Bullets/shot and all that.
I really hope not. California hunters can't even get enough ammo as it is.
Of course the anti-hunting crowd sees this as a win.
Post by: hunter399 on February 27, 2023, 02:31:18 PM
Thanks to a huntwa member.
These Grand Slams are the turkey gold.
Also got a box of remington with the extra hard shot.
Whatever that is,Remington trying to compete with the grandslams.
Being that grandslams have that Copper plated shot.
Remingtons was about 10 bucks cheaper though.
And scored a couple of boxes 22mag for grouse season.
Thanks again to the member that gave me the location tip.
PM headed his way,expressing my thanks.
And I only bought what you see,and left the rest for other turkey hunters in need.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 05, 2023, 10:30:55 PM
I kid you not, I saw tss for $70 at sportmans warehouse. Wth?
Yep me too.
Not paying it.
Post by: hunter399 on March 06, 2023, 06:24:02 AM
No turkey for me,unless I change my mind last second.
Just take the kid,do some calling for him.
If a cougar or a coyote comes in to his calling setup ,I'll be ready though.
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on March 13, 2023, 06:43:50 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on March 13, 2023, 08:03:39 PM
I tried out the 20ga apex 3" #9 tss today I was impressed. 40 yds
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That will do
That will do .
Dead turkey looks like to me. :tup:
Post by: jasnt on March 14, 2023, 07:02:36 AM