Post by: X-Force on May 25, 2022, 03:17:36 PM
https://publicinput.com/H3628 (https://publicinput.com/H3628)
Post by: pickardjw on May 25, 2022, 03:20:22 PM
All 6 of em.
Post by: cem3434 on May 25, 2022, 03:25:26 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 25, 2022, 03:27:42 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 25, 2022, 03:27:49 PM
Post by: pickardjw on May 25, 2022, 03:31:55 PM
That one new guy was asking for basically fish ladder equivalent population studies on bear populations...I think he was the one that didn't know we even had a spring turkey season? And that we primarily hunt big game animals during their rutting seasons?
I have a feeling he'll be a no again.
Post by: saylean on May 25, 2022, 04:42:01 PM
Get off you’re arses and be vocal.
Post by: Special T on May 25, 2022, 05:19:35 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on May 25, 2022, 05:30:48 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
What a great attitude to have! Thanks for doing your part!
Post by: X-Force on May 25, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Doing nothing will do just that.
Get off you’re arses and be vocal.
Totally agree.
Post by: BreezyBear on May 25, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Doing nothing will do just that.
Get off you’re arses and be vocal.
Totally agree.
:yeah:
Post by: jackelope on May 25, 2022, 07:45:57 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
Hopefully you made a logical and level headed comment supporting it coming back.
Post by: Special T on May 25, 2022, 08:00:15 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/glossary
This is the Bear CR101
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/filings/2022/WSR%2022-10-098.pdf
What it says
Reasons why rules on this subject may be needed and what they might accomplish:
Amendments would be needed to set season dates and permit numbers in order to offer a 2023 spring black bear season.
In addition to providing recreational hunting opportunity, a special permit season could assist the department with
addressing specific management needs that include, but are not limited to, tree damage on industrial managed
timberlands, human-bear conflict and damage, and harvest distribution.
If I am reading this right it means they are taking amendments to the WAC to be considered.
Post by: cem3434 on May 25, 2022, 10:13:15 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
What a great attitude to have! Thanks for doing your part!
No attitude, but your ignorance is bliss. Guarantee I do way more than you any year to support hunting. I probably donated more money and time to supporting the spring bear hunt this year then you have in your entire life. Thinking you know me is pretty cool though....for you at least. :bash:
Post by: cem3434 on May 25, 2022, 10:16:03 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
Hopefully you made a logical and level headed comment supporting it coming back.
Sure did and donated a *censored* ton of time and money as well.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 26, 2022, 05:24:37 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 26, 2022, 05:42:07 AM
Doing nothing will do just that.100% agree we have too many that are not willing to make any kind of effort at all but are willing to complain when things don't go their way
Get off you’re arses and be vocal.
Post by: hunter399 on May 26, 2022, 05:51:26 AM
Makes me wonder how much money was lost.
5k....10k....15k... 20k.....Who knows.
On another note ,I can see why some might be a little reluctant to comment.
Maybe there hoping to slip this comment period by a few of these anti-hunter groups. :dunno:
I really don't know if that would change the Commission vote.
On the other hand it seems like it's not gonna hurt anything to slam a comment in there.
But I agree with some on here no point in getting your hopes up.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 26, 2022, 06:47:14 AM
Seems like there worried about 2023 spring bear.
Makes me wonder how much money was lost.
5k....10k....15k... 20k.....Who knows.
On another note ,I can see why some might be a little reluctant to comment.
Maybe there hoping to slip this comment period by a few of these anti-hunter groups. :dunno:
I really don't know if that would change the Commission vote.
On the other hand it seems like it's not gonna hurt anything to slam a comment in there.
But I agree with some on here no point in getting your hopes up.
Might also consider commenting by keeping more of your money they are addicted to. I did
Post by: Tbar on May 26, 2022, 06:53:39 AM
I could be wrong but I feel there are 3 swing votes, 3 yeses and 3 noes. We just need to swing 1 vote from the last tally:dunno: you feel like there are 3 swing votes? You must be seeing something I'm not. I see 5 no 1 probably no and 3 yes.
Post by: hunter399 on May 26, 2022, 07:19:46 AM
Yup that's what I was thinking.I could be wrong but I feel there are 3 swing votes, 3 yeses and 3 noes. We just need to swing 1 vote from the last tally:dunno: you feel like there are 3 swing votes? You must be seeing something I'm not. I see 5 no 1 probably no and 3 yes.
Post by: X-Force on May 26, 2022, 01:25:17 PM
Yup that's what I was thinking.I could be wrong but I feel there are 3 swing votes, 3 yeses and 3 noes. We just need to swing 1 vote from the last tally:dunno: you feel like there are 3 swing votes? You must be seeing something I'm not. I see 5 no 1 probably no and 3 yes.
It was 5 to 4 last vote. I wouldn’t say that the swing people would move easily but we only have to gain 1 vote.
If I didn’t my math right WDFW lost $26,200 not running a draw. Plus the labor hours put into the biologists, policy writers, etc.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 26, 2022, 01:49:10 PM
Post by: Special T on May 26, 2022, 01:53:51 PM
Feels like we just did this.
Lol we did
Post by: Limhangerslayer on May 26, 2022, 02:23:44 PM
Post by: ganghis on May 26, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 26, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: HikerHunter on May 26, 2022, 03:52:35 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 26, 2022, 06:12:05 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on May 26, 2022, 07:04:25 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
What a great attitude to have! Thanks for doing your part!
No attitude, but your ignorance is bliss. Guarantee I do way more than you any year to support hunting. I probably donated more money and time to supporting the spring bear hunt this year then you have in your entire life. Thinking you know me is pretty cool though....for you at least. :bash:
Lol holy toledo.
Didn’t realize I was talking to the Grand Poobah of donations and supporter of conservation! I’m so so so sorry I
Once again sir, I apologize.
Post by: cem3434 on May 26, 2022, 07:19:32 PM
Didnt you guys learn anything from this year? It doesnt matter how much support it has from the public, if not holding the hunt breaks the law or if the science supports the hunt, rather it's what the commission wants for the furries. Spring bear is gone and not coming back in 2023. :sry:
What a great attitude to have! Thanks for doing your part!
No attitude, but your ignorance is bliss. Guarantee I do way more than you any year to support hunting. I probably donated more money and time to supporting the spring bear hunt this year then you have in your entire life. Thinking you know me is pretty cool though....for you at least. :bash:
Lol holy toledo.
Didn’t realize I was talking to the Grand Poobah of donations and supporter of conservation! I’m so so so sorry Ihurt your feelingsdisrespected you in any way. You have my deepest apologies and I sincerely vow to never commit treason against thenutsackman who’s put in more work and money towards one issue than I have in my entire life.
Once again sir, I apologize.
You didn't hurt my feelings and I'm not easily offended, but I get sick of keyboard know it alls thinking they know chit about chit. Not saying that is you, but we seem to have a lot of uneducated opinions on this site.
Let's turn this into a positive, so how about a little gentleman's bet? I'll challenge you to a bet for conservation and bet you $100 there is no spring 2023 season. If I am wrong (and I hope I am) I will donate $100 to a hunting charity of you choice. If I am right, then you donate $100 to a charity of my choice.
What do you say, you up for a bet to help with hunting conservation?
Post by: cem3434 on May 26, 2022, 07:26:13 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on May 26, 2022, 07:28:06 PM
I will however match a $100 donation to any of the Washington based organizations who are actively fighting for sportsman’s rights in this state and who are active in the spring bear conversations.
Post by: Stein on May 26, 2022, 07:56:37 PM
We should also be pinging WDFW, they made an effort last time and can certainly do so again and get to know the new commissioners better which should help them know what they want to see and what could sway opinions.
Post by: cem3434 on May 26, 2022, 08:32:58 PM
I’m not willing to bet on that because the situation is grim, and in no way was I predicting that our efforts would certainly be victorious. My point was that we have to keep fighting for the cause regardless of how low our chances of winning are.
I will however match a $100 donation to any of the Washington based organizations who are actively fighting for sportsman’s rights in this state and who are active in the spring bear conversations.
Done, let me know which one and I'll definitely match your donation. Do we take a screenshot and post as proof after making the donation?
Post by: dwils233 on May 26, 2022, 09:22:07 PM
I’m not willing to bet on that because the situation is grim, and in no way was I predicting that our efforts would certainly be victorious. My point was that we have to keep fighting for the cause regardless of how low our chances of winning are.
I will however match a $100 donation to any of the Washington based organizations who are actively fighting for sportsman’s rights in this state and who are active in the spring bear conversations.
Done, let me know which one and I'll definitely match your donation. Do we take a screenshot and post as proof after making the donation?
If you want to know who has been leading that fight at the commission level in the past, I think inland northwest wildlife council is a good place to start. Their director speaks at every commission meeting and crafted the accepted petition that kept us in the fight last year. There are other state orgs fighting (and leading)in the legislature and other fronts, but I'd argue we've got no greater advocate and ally for commission stuff than INWC under Marie's directorship.
If you do make a donation, make sure you say it's for the commission fight. Let em know people see that effort and appreciate it.
Post by: Torrent50 on May 26, 2022, 09:38:56 PM
"I am writing to strongly support the return of the spring bear hunt in 2023. The issue seems to revolve around the purpose of this hunt and whether it is a recreational hunt or serves a purpose as a means to help with damage control to timber. My understanding is that at least some of the private timber companies are now relying on the USDA to remove bears from their property to prevent damage. This seems like a waste of an opportunity for cooperation between WDFW and the timber industry to achieve a positive outcome for both.
Bears are being killed either way. With cooperation between WDFW and the timber industry hunters can be a part of the solution in limiting damage to timber resources while still maintaining our heritage of hunting and continuing the longstanding traditional spring bear hunt.
Please return the spring bear hunt in 2023 and allow sportsmen and sportswomen to be part of the solution to timber damage and enjoy the positive benefits that come from participation in this hunt."
Post by: hunter399 on May 27, 2022, 06:29:19 AM
Comment left.Don't quote me on this.
"I am writing to strongly support the return of the spring bear hunt in 2023. The issue seems to revolve around the purpose of this hunt and whether it is a recreational hunt or serves a purpose as a means to help with damage control to timber. My understanding is that at least some of the private timber companies are now relying on the USDA to remove bears from their property to prevent damage. This seems like a waste of an opportunity for cooperation between WDFW and the timber industry to achieve a positive outcome for both.
Bears are being killed either way. With cooperation between WDFW and the timber industry hunters can be a part of the solution in limiting damage to timber resources while still maintaining our heritage of hunting and continuing the longstanding traditional spring bear hunt.
Please return the spring bear hunt in 2023 and allow sportsmen and sportswomen to be part of the solution to timber damage and enjoy the positive benefits that come from participation in this hunt."
But I'm pretty sure when USDA does removal.
No parts of the bear are allowed to be taken.
It's just left to rot.
Doesn't that seem like a waste.
I always support hunter oppertunitty first.
Post by: Alan K on May 27, 2022, 07:51:38 AM
While spring bear hunts on the west side were more targeted to damage areas, it is not and should not be the premis for a hunt. The populations are as high as they've ever been. A spring bear hunt is needed for sheer population control at this point, and if it solves some timber damage too that's great.
Post by: hunter399 on May 27, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
All of the USDA depredation removals that I have heard of have been donated to tribal entities. I have never heard of a wasted depredation bear, even when WDFW issued permits parts were turned in and/or donated.Basically the trapper is required to properly dispose of the animal.
While spring bear hunts on the west side were more targeted to damage areas, it is not and should not be the premis for a hunt. The populations are as high as they've ever been. A spring bear hunt is needed for sheer population control at this point, and if it solves some timber damage too that's great.
Whether that's donated,thrown away at a state pit. Or whatever, the trapper is not allowed to keep it. Or left to rot.
As long as it's "properly dispose" definition.
I think it's like 64,000 coyotes killed last year,I'm sure all those are donated too. Left to rot is the definition of properly deposed.
Don't get me wrong,I'm glad to hear about some not going to waste. But don't act like it never happens.
Post by: Torrent50 on May 27, 2022, 11:53:30 AM
All of the USDA depredation removals that I have heard of have been donated to tribal entities. I have never heard of a wasted depredation bear, even when WDFW issued permits parts were turned in and/or donated.
While spring bear hunts on the west side were more targeted to damage areas, it is not and should not be the premis for a hunt. The populations are as high as they've ever been. A spring bear hunt is needed for sheer population control at this point, and if it solves some timber damage too that's great.
We actually should be working to get this back to a "damage" hunt. The reasoning all comes back to public opinion, which is a major factor in the commissions decision making. A damage hunt had upwards of 70% public approval, but a "recreational" spring hunt had extremely low public approval. This information and suggestion came to me straight from the mouth of one of the "no" votes on the commission.
Post by: pickardjw on May 27, 2022, 12:03:02 PM
The tags are in areas where there's high livestock/human conflict or commercial timber damage...
Post by: Torrent50 on May 27, 2022, 12:09:06 PM
Is it not still a damage hunt?
The tags are in areas where there's high livestock/human conflict or commercial timber damage...
For some reason, WDFW moved away from classifying it as a damage hunt over the years. This led to the questions about why we have this hunt. Nobody could provide an answer so we ended up right here.
Post by: Alan K on May 27, 2022, 12:36:41 PM
All of the USDA depredation removals that I have heard of have been donated to tribal entities. I have never heard of a wasted depredation bear, even when WDFW issued permits parts were turned in and/or donated.Basically the trapper is required to properly dispose of the animal.
While spring bear hunts on the west side were more targeted to damage areas, it is not and should not be the premis for a hunt. The populations are as high as they've ever been. A spring bear hunt is needed for sheer population control at this point, and if it solves some timber damage too that's great.
Whether that's donated,thrown away at a state pit. Or whatever, the trapper is not allowed to keep it. Or left to rot.
As long as it's "properly dispose" definition.
I think it's like 64,000 coyotes killed last year,I'm sure all those are donated too. Left to rot is the definition of properly deposed.
Don't get me wrong,I'm glad to hear about some not going to waste. But don't act like it never happens.
I never said anything about coyotes, or woodpeckers, seagulls, beavers, or anything else that USDA may do control on. I said bears, which this thread is on. Nobody wants a bear to go to waste, neither USDA or every timber owner I've ever talked to included. I've never heard of one being wasted, they've always gone to tribal entities.
If you know of a wasted depredation bear please do let the agency in charge know. I know everyone involved bends over backwards to ensure they're utilized. Insinuating on the internet that they don't only spreads BS. :twocents:
All of the USDA depredation removals that I have heard of have been donated to tribal entities. I have never heard of a wasted depredation bear, even when WDFW issued permits parts were turned in and/or donated.
While spring bear hunts on the west side were more targeted to damage areas, it is not and should not be the premis for a hunt. The populations are as high as they've ever been. A spring bear hunt is needed for sheer population control at this point, and if it solves some timber damage too that's great.
We actually should be working to get this back to a "damage" hunt. The reasoning all comes back to public opinion, which is a major factor in the commissions decision making. A damage hunt had upwards of 70% public approval, but a "recreational" spring hunt had extremely low public approval. This information and suggestion came to me straight from the mouth of one of the "no" votes on the commission.
That may be so, but it should be screamed from the mountain tops by sportsmen and WDFW's biologists alike that there is no biological/population related reason not to have the hunt, and statewide for that matter. For decades and decades and decades black bears were baited, trapped, hound hunted, boot hunted, and even hunted for bounty and it didnt irreparably damage the populations. Now after over 25 years without any of those effective tools in place and massive population growth, we're to believe that we can't be sure that if there is a spring bear hunt we will be setting back the resource? Give me a break!
With respect to damage from the timber owner perspective, boot hunting has a near zero effect on reducing damage. Maybe some small amount of "hazing", but that'd just send animals further from the road down into the reprod they're damaging. A timber owner looking to stop the damage is going to secure a trapper to target that specific animal, or put out supplemental feed to hopefully satisfy the bear in lieu of their trees. Neither of those are compatible with boot hunting because a hunter may find the trappers bait or a feeder and hunt over it. Last thing any landowner is going to want is to be accused of facilitating an illegal hunt because Joe boot hunter finds a USDA trap or a feeder and hunts over it.
If it's truly about stopping bear damage to timber, legislation to allow baiting, hounds, and trapping via WDFW permits should be pushed for. Those are the only methods that will result in a meaningful difference.
Post by: Torrent50 on May 27, 2022, 03:41:30 PM
Right now we need to focus on keeping our current hunting opportunities and not spend valuable resources trying to get hound and bait hunting back. As much as we need them back, it's not going to happen.
Post by: Torrent50 on May 27, 2022, 03:55:13 PM
With respect to damage from the timber owner perspective, boot hunting has a near zero effect on reducing damage.
Furthermore, while the effect may be small, to say it is near zero is speculation. And it's exactly the attitude that we do not need. We need to be shouting that we can be part of the solution. Even if it's a small part. There is NO WAY you or anyone else can say for certain that the bear I shot last spring had not damaged any timber. I CAN however say with 100% certainty that the bear I shot last spring did NOT damage any timber this year. Thus, part of the solution.
Post by: Alan K on May 27, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
A landowner would have to forego actual meaningful depredation options or feeding in order to have a boot hunt and I just don't see that happening since they're so much more effective at mitigating damage. Ask WDFW how many boot hunt depredation permits were applied for the last couple years and of those how many were successful compared to years past when actual tools (hounds etc.) were available...
I understand dressing the spring hunt up like it's a damage solution, but it's disingenuous. If that's the excuse you feel needs pushed to get something back, fine, but I'd rather have a frank and honest conversation about it and let the science do the talking. At some point the science has to rise to the top.
Post by: Torrent50 on May 27, 2022, 06:48:03 PM
I'm not suggesting baiting hounds etc. back as a recreation hunt, but as a solution to damage via depredation removals. Recreationally those options are likely gone, but for stopping rampant damage maybe it'd have a chance.
A landowner would have to forego actual meaningful depredation options or feeding in order to have a boot hunt and I just don't see that happening since they're so much more effective at mitigating damage. Ask WDFW how many boot hunt depredation permits were applied for the last couple years and of those how many were successful compared to years past when actual tools (hounds etc.) were available...
I understand dressing the spring hunt up like it's a damage solution, but it's disingenuous. If that's the excuse you feel needs pushed to get something back, fine, but I'd rather have a frank and honest conversation about it and let the science do the talking. At some point the science has to rise to the top.
Unfortunately several of the commissioners have demonstrated that they don't care about the science, so discussion means nothing. When a no vote tells me a route to potentially get them to change their vote to yes, then I take that seriously. As for timber companies not being in favor of the "boot hunt" to assist with damage control, I would point out that several major private timber companies allowed access to their managed property in the area that I hunted and my bear was taken on private timber land. To name a few, Hancock and all the land that they manage, Stimson, and Inland Empire (with purchase of a permit). There were even emails back and forth to permit holders where timber company reps were encouraging permit holders to kill bears on their property. That was in 2021, so one can assume that the same would hold true in 2023. It's in no way disingenuous to call it a damage hunt if has even a slight impact on damage.
Ultimately, you do you, and I will do me. I am going to continue my research and activities to try to get the spring bear hunt back to being classified as a damage hunt in the hopes that it continues. Tilting at the windmill of science in conflict with public opinion has proven futile and I am not going to waste my resources and time doing so.
Post by: Alan K on May 27, 2022, 07:39:39 PM
Ultimately, you do you, and I will do me.
:tup:
Post by: duckmen1 on May 27, 2022, 07:52:10 PM
Post by: RB on May 27, 2022, 10:20:50 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 28, 2022, 08:30:05 AM
If anything, it is fun to call the commission out :)
Post by: hawks33 on May 28, 2022, 08:39:35 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 28, 2022, 09:29:19 AM
Post by: Utah on May 28, 2022, 07:51:55 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 30, 2022, 05:51:44 PM
Keep commenting.
Post by: saylean on May 31, 2022, 02:58:31 PM
Post by: hunter399 on May 31, 2022, 03:17:02 PM
Bump. Comment comment comment.:yeah:
Just commented.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 31, 2022, 03:30:06 PM
2023 spring bear comment period is up.Here is the link again.
https://publicinput.com/H3628 (https://publicinput.com/H3628)
Post by: Timberstalker on May 31, 2022, 03:50:39 PM
Post by: harveymarv on May 31, 2022, 05:11:58 PM
Post by: hillbillyplumber on June 01, 2022, 08:10:13 AM
3 comments in opposition
Post by: Rainier10 on June 01, 2022, 08:14:25 AM
https://publicinput.com/H3628
Post by: Wunderlich33 on June 01, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 01, 2022, 10:54:19 AM
link again so it is handy
https://publicinput.com/H3628
done, thanks for link
Post by: pickardjw on June 01, 2022, 11:53:25 AM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wabear2023
Post by: Shawn Ryan on June 02, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
Post by: grundy53 on June 02, 2022, 08:12:17 PM
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Post by: 3Under on June 04, 2022, 11:02:50 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 05, 2022, 12:06:58 PM
Post by: Special T on June 05, 2022, 01:13:36 PM
I thought I would share that with you all.
Post by: saylean on June 06, 2022, 02:48:23 PM
Post by: saylean on June 08, 2022, 05:41:04 PM
Post by: MADMAX on June 08, 2022, 06:11:03 PM
Some ridiculous comments on there
Better take action gang
Post by: hunter399 on June 08, 2022, 08:01:52 PM
Commented again. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Think they felt the power of my smart azz smart phone.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Some of those anti-hunters make me so frustrated.
Post by: Weatherby92 on June 08, 2022, 08:26:47 PM
Post by: HunterStrait on June 08, 2022, 08:48:25 PM
Post by: pickardjw on June 08, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wabear2023
Post by: hunter399 on June 08, 2022, 09:24:27 PM
Committed becuase the antis are going nuts...Ya they are.
Sweet Jesus there crazy train on there.
Post by: dreamingbig on June 09, 2022, 06:06:27 AM
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Post by: hunter399 on June 09, 2022, 06:33:04 AM
Need more pro hunting comments.
This is a fight for all of hunting,many of these people are set out to destroy all hunting .
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
After this hunt is gone ,it will be in to next and the next.
Untill all hunting is gone in this state.
Freaking NAZI anti hunters.
Post by: hunter399 on June 09, 2022, 06:40:20 AM
Those anti-hunters are killing hunting on the comments.
We need our voice heard today.
Post by: MeepDog on June 09, 2022, 09:22:04 AM
One more BUMP today.Guys we need your comments and support. If you want this hunt to take place make your voice heard because the antis are showing up
Those anti-hunters are killing hunting on the comments.
We need our voice heard today.
Post by: Meow on June 09, 2022, 09:34:16 AM
Post by: BreezyBear on June 09, 2022, 09:59:09 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on June 09, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
Post by: ElkTacos on June 09, 2022, 12:14:35 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 09, 2022, 12:36:35 PM
Please try to keep the comments focused on the hunt, science, and data. Personal jabs at other commenters may not be detrimental but they certainly don't help. Let the anti's spew the hate.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 09, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 09, 2022, 02:41:10 PM
These tards don't know crap about the hunt.
I'm sure the link is provided on the human society site or something. Also noticed a lot of anti comments coming in all through the nite ,when I got on there at 4 am this mourning.
Something is fishy smelling with these comments.
Starting to wonder if these people even live in the United States.
It's BS that these comments should be for residents only.
Post by: 7mmfan on June 09, 2022, 03:05:37 PM
Problem is that those people that are against the hunt dont know the details of it. They think a bunch of hunters are just allowed to go in there and shoot all bears, even the sows with cubs. If they were actually educated then they might realize what the hunts about instead of anti hunting like the commissioners
That's a fact. However there is no platform to engage in meaningful dialogue with folks like that. I agree that if you could sit down with a whiskey or IPA or pinot or whatever it is that they are comfortable drinking and talk about it and present a well thought out dialogue with facts vs opinions, a lot of people would have a different point of view.
It's that way with any topic though. Everyone wants to have an opinion, especially those that know nothing about the subject.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 09, 2022, 03:11:22 PM
Problem is that those people that are against the hunt dont know the details of it. They think a bunch of hunters are just allowed to go in there and shoot all bears, even the sows with cubs. If they were actually educated then they might realize what the hunts about instead of anti hunting like the commissioners
That's a fact. However there is no platform to engage in meaningful dialogue with folks like that. I agree that if you could sit down with a whiskey or IPA or pinot or whatever it is that they are comfortable drinking and talk about it and present a well thought out dialogue with facts vs opinions, a lot of people would have a different point of view.
It's that way with any topic though. Everyone wants to have an opinion, especially those that know nothing about the subject.
And, a big downside of this internet biz is that everyone who wants one has an instant "soapbox".
To me it's a horrible way to collect meaningful comments. This all seems like deja vu, btw.
Post by: hunter399 on June 09, 2022, 03:17:11 PM
It is deja-vu ,it's horrific.Problem is that those people that are against the hunt dont know the details of it. They think a bunch of hunters are just allowed to go in there and shoot all bears, even the sows with cubs. If they were actually educated then they might realize what the hunts about instead of anti hunting like the commissioners
That's a fact. However there is no platform to engage in meaningful dialogue with folks like that. I agree that if you could sit down with a whiskey or IPA or pinot or whatever it is that they are comfortable drinking and talk about it and present a well thought out dialogue with facts vs opinions, a lot of people would have a different point of view.
It's that way with any topic though. Everyone wants to have an opinion, especially those that know nothing about the subject.
And, a big downside of this internet biz is that everyone who wants one has an instant "soapbox".
To me it's a horrible way to collect meaningful comments. This all seems like deja vu, btw.
Post by: Meow on June 09, 2022, 03:42:45 PM
I especially dislike how it allows nuts from other states to drown out local comments. I bet a lot of the antis posting have never seen a bear, let alone a mature boar. A lot of the anti comments read like they're from a 13 yo vegan whose only exposure to hunters is watching Bambi. Obviously that's not all of them, but there's no way to have an effective conversation with such a person when there's zero desire to learn or even just recognize that people are entitled to different opinions.Problem is that those people that are against the hunt dont know the details of it. They think a bunch of hunters are just allowed to go in there and shoot all bears, even the sows with cubs. If they were actually educated then they might realize what the hunts about instead of anti hunting like the commissioners
That's a fact. However there is no platform to engage in meaningful dialogue with folks like that. I agree that if you could sit down with a whiskey or IPA or pinot or whatever it is that they are comfortable drinking and talk about it and present a well thought out dialogue with facts vs opinions, a lot of people would have a different point of view.
It's that way with any topic though. Everyone wants to have an opinion, especially those that know nothing about the subject.
And, a big downside of this internet biz is that everyone who wants one has an instant "soapbox".
To me it's a horrible way to collect meaningful comments. This all seems like deja vu, btw.
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 07:05:57 AM
Those anti-hunters freaks are in full force on the comments every mourning.
I'm on there fighting the battle ,
But can't do it ALONE.
Here is a link to get there quick.
https://publicinput.com/H3628
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 07:25:30 AM
Our voice will not get heard.
We need hunters to comment about 100 times to beat these anti-hunters.
This is a major excuse these Commission is using to vote they way they are.
I would like that excuse that majority of our stalk holders don't want this hunt.
But they allow the the whole world to comment.
Post by: Stein on June 10, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
Post by: Meow on June 10, 2022, 07:33:31 AM
If you haven't commented about 100 times then your behind.Sure would be nice if people commenting had to show proof Washington residency. I bet a lot of the antis would disappear.
Our voice will not get heard.
We need hunters to comment about 100 times to beat these anti-hunters.
This is a major excuse these Commission is using to vote they way they are.
I would like that excuse that majority of our stalk holders don't want this hunt.
But they allow the the whole world to comment.
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 08:06:23 AM
Ya this is why there are so many comments .If you haven't commented about 100 times then your behind.Sure would be nice if people commenting had to show proof Washington residency. I bet a lot of the antis would disappear.
Our voice will not get heard.
We need hunters to comment about 100 times to beat these anti-hunters.
This is a major excuse these Commission is using to vote they way they are.
I would like that excuse that majority of our stalk holders don't want this hunt.
But they allow the the whole world to comment.
https://www.change.org/p/urgent-help-permanently-ban-spring-bear-hunting-in-washington/u/30639091
I think this needs to be brought to the Commission and department that these groups are targeting non-resident to get the comments they need in the comment periods.
Read the comments on the change link I provide,there is one non resident admitted to comment.
Post by: MeepDog on June 10, 2022, 11:18:35 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on June 10, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
These people and comments are out of touch with reality
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
It’s obvious they tried to get the word out. All in favor, then a couple of days ago it got flooded with opposition.They got robot commenter on there right now.
These people and comments are out of touch with reality
Trust me .....
Same name and comments all day long.
Ya there trying to run up the opposed comments right now.
It's amazing the lengths these people will go to stop the hunt.
Fully support 2023 spring bear!!!!
🐻💪🐻💪🐻💪🐻💪🐻💪🐻💪
BEAR MEAT TASTY🤤🤔🤤🤔🤤🤔🤤
When does the comment period end?
Post by: WWC on June 10, 2022, 02:19:08 PM
Post by: HillHound on June 10, 2022, 02:23:11 PM
Post by: BreezyBear on June 10, 2022, 02:40:31 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 02:42:09 PM
I'll keep adding comments of support, but it sure seems like this could be a lot simpler if EVERONE was just allowed to comment once, or once per device or whatever.I've thrown a few in today as well.
Residents only ,one comment per person,
Would be nice .
Post by: go4steelhd on June 10, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
Remember the commission rarely sees the comments, they just get the analytics from it.
If yo truly want this to reopen go to the in person comment period. You get two minutes to speak in front of the commission and they do run a timer. They will get blasted from both sides with people trying to force their opinion. Be tactful not forceful in your message to them.
The last one I went to was crowded, and when it was my turn I spoke to them, and after the meeting they came found me in the audience and asked me if I would be willing to be on a subcommittee to discuss options. My point is come prepared with a clear message, not attack on them or anyone else. I do feel they will listen in that type of format :twocents:
Post by: Twispriver on June 10, 2022, 04:57:20 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 11, 2022, 08:45:26 AM
I've been checking it late at nite,work GYD ,on my breaks and a select few anti-hunters are pounding that comments all nite long.
Please comment as often as you can.
These people are tiping the scales while we sleep.
And just an excuse for Commission to try and shoot down the 2023 season before it's even 2023.
WAKE UP PEOPLES.
If you do take the time to comment at least leave two comments bare minimum.
I've been leaving in a tab in my browser so I don't forget.
There killing us in there.
Post by: dmoua on June 11, 2022, 09:29:08 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 11, 2022, 10:05:01 AM
The antis hammered the comments the first time around. That’s nothing new. The commission didn’t give two *censored*s about the comments if you watched the meeting a few months ago when the commission voted again on 2022 Spring bear season. Our commission is full of anti hunters. They have all the resources telling them Wa has enough bears to sustain a spring bear season but that didn’t matter either.That is true.
Yes I did watch the meeting.
It was probably the most watched Commission meeting ever I'm sure.
I get it.
I don't like it,but I get it.
Sucks.
Post by: marinesniper8541 on June 11, 2022, 04:27:28 PM
To everyone saying that we should stop all hunting, clearly are not taking the time to educate yourself. Hunters are responsible of millions of acres of wildlife habitat. Where do you think all the money comes from to purchase all the land that you city folk want to buy to build another highrise with a view of another high rise? Hunters are also required to purchase a license to hunt migratory fowl such as duck and geese, and a federal duck stamp. This money goes to preserving wetland habitat that the ducks depend on when they are migrating south. If we were to cancel hunting completely, the funds would dry up, and all the land that the Hunters are paying to preserve would be sold to a developer so they can put in condos our housing developments. Before you go completely anti hunting, take the time to educate yourself.
As far as spring bear hunting, washington sits toward the top of all states in the lower 48 for bear population. Bears coming out of hibernation destroy trees scratching at the bark to eat the sap. They will also become over populated in one area, and begin looking for another food source other than berries and skunk weed, and turn to the newly born fawns and calfs. By canceling spring bear, you are signing on to a apex predator hurting the deer and elk population in the state.
Post by: wheels1 on June 12, 2022, 03:49:32 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2022, 09:15:46 AM
It's mind blowing.
Non-resident ,I don't know how many comments about baiting bears,and other tell tell signs that they have no clue about Washington.
I just can't believe they let the whole world released on us hunters.
Some of them sound like there six year old.
Half of them have to much peace and love in there grandma basement or something.
I'm convinced most live in apartments in the concrete jungle and know zero about "nature".
And what's the deal with change your name 1000 times to make it sound like your the majority.
Sorry rant over
It just blows my mind.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 14, 2022, 09:58:50 AM
Just a heads up.Let's crash this comment site while waiting on results.
Those anti-hunters freaks are in full force on the comments every mourning.
I'm on there fighting the battle ,
But can't do it ALONE.
Here is a link to get there quick.
https://publicinput.com/H3628
Post by: ffhoofer on June 14, 2022, 10:03:28 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 14, 2022, 10:08:49 AM
Just did. Can’t believe all the anti comments on there!Exactly, it's not how you start it's how you finish. We need to load that page up with support comments.
Post by: hunter399 on June 14, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
I agreeJust did. Can’t believe all the anti comments on there!Exactly, it's not how you start it's how you finish. We need to load that page up with support comments.
I've been on there everyday for a few days.
I battle these nature freaks late at nite at work on my breaks.
Some of these people have to be tweakers or something cause there on there every nite all nite ,commenting away.
Do you ever sleep or what.
Not sure what I'm going to do on my breaks at work when the comment period ends.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on June 14, 2022, 10:29:11 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 14, 2022, 10:29:44 AM
Post by: RB on June 14, 2022, 10:45:09 AM
un real the anti comments
:yeah:
Pure emotion and ignorance unbelievable!
Post by: X-Force on June 14, 2022, 11:02:52 AM
Just a heads up.Let's crash this comment site while waiting on results.
Those anti-hunters freaks are in full force on the comments every mourning.
I'm on there fighting the battle ,
But can't do it ALONE.
Here is a link to get there quick.
https://publicinput.com/H3628
Here is the link
Post by: saylean on June 15, 2022, 10:38:04 AM
Remember we are in a marathon not a sprint.
Post by: xX Let ER Rip Xx on June 15, 2022, 06:20:12 PM
Post by: X-Force on June 15, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
Post by: huntndoc on June 15, 2022, 10:02:16 PM
Post by: RB on June 15, 2022, 10:07:54 PM
Another bump to put more comments in.
Remember we are in a marathon not a sprint.
:yeah:
Comment often, just like the anti crowd!
Post by: hunter399 on June 15, 2022, 10:33:42 PM
Since they refuse to follow there mandate and mission .
These anti-hunters will not stop at spring bear.
I'm sure most have seen the comment section,these people are against all hunting for the most part.
I would almost prefer to give WDFW to power to set seasons and bag limits based on biologists referral.
I just don't know where to start.
Post by: saylean on June 20, 2022, 03:22:37 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2022, 04:28:11 PM
Another week, another chance to comment. Toss in 10 "I support the hunt" texts. There, just copy that text and paste it. I did it for you! ;)A whole another week.
These comments periods are way to long.
Three days ,if you haven't said it then your burnt.
Just gives these anti-hunters time to post to all there wildlife .org groups.
I'm not complaining....
I'll throw a few comments in there ,😉
Or a few hundred,who knows.👍
Man those anti-hunter comments that want to ban all hunting just burns my hide.
Post by: BlackRiverLabradors on December 31, 2022, 07:57:52 AM
Post by: craigapphunt on December 31, 2022, 10:01:08 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 31, 2022, 12:04:11 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 20, 2023, 08:10:24 PM
Also reminded them of the rcw in my signature
Post by: trophyhunt on January 21, 2023, 08:18:37 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 21, 2023, 08:27:43 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 21, 2023, 08:49:59 AM
I see it as going thru the motions because we weren't happy with the results. I don't see this as changing anyone's mind at this point. Maybe later if we were to get some commissioners on our side. But that's just menot just you, I feel like a fool sending another comment to people who don’t give two chits what we have to say.
Post by: RB on January 21, 2023, 10:40:27 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on January 21, 2023, 11:46:16 AM
Post by: Special T on January 23, 2023, 01:32:52 PM
Since schools depend on the management of funds via timber sales. Has the WDFW Commission interacted with the DNR on the cost of bear tree damage. The DNR should have a person that could answer these questions. Surely they have bear peelings in reports or maps right? My kids school district has to make some cuts because they are not getting timber dollars that they have depended on in the past.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/washington-state-supreme-court-trust-lands-fund-schools/281-e6e5e39f-7bb3-4d68-bb96-a3655bc64794
If you are early in the comment que for Friday I would ask the commissioners if they have had a presentation by anyone as to the real measured costs of bear damage. How much money is affected by this in the DNR? My kids school is affected, are yours?
Post by: Stein on January 23, 2023, 02:07:54 PM
Not only current dollars, but future dollars where bidders/buyers may be inclined to include projected losses due to bear damage. I don't know how the whole timber sale thing works, but you get the idea.
Post by: Special T on January 23, 2023, 02:10:56 PM
:yeah:
Not only current dollars, but future dollars where bidders/buyers may be inclined to include projected losses due to bear damage. I don't know how the whole timber sale thing works, but you get the idea.
The important part is that its government based numbers AND it has to do with our kids and schools. Hunting is the cost effective solution to management.
Post by: GASoline71 on January 23, 2023, 03:31:23 PM
Kinda feel like a stupid fool sending a comment, haven’t we’ve done this a few other times? It’s like talking to children who are jumping up and down yelling w fingers in their ears!! But, fool me again into thinking our comments matter… comment sent…
Man I know it sucks. It's asinine we even have to defend ourselves in this. But one pro-hunting comment not sent, will be replaced with 10 anti-hunting comments.
My comments sent...
Gary
Post by: elkrack on January 23, 2023, 07:19:52 PM
Post by: highcountry_hunter on January 23, 2023, 08:47:19 PM
Did the school give lack of timber dollars as a specific reason for budget cuts? Because in the last few years I’ve never seen so much timber move in the NE corner. Lumber and plywood prices were through the roof until last summer and the mills were practically begging for more logs. Even tho lumber prices have dropped significantly, they are still right at the pre-pandemic level and the mills are still asking for logs.
Lots of DNR sales going on. Not to mention the Good Neighbors Agreement where the DNR sets up and manages timber sales on Forest Service lands which is a good source of income for the DNR.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 24, 2023, 08:10:11 AM