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Title: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: highcountry_hunter on June 10, 2022, 11:26:08 AM
Any bets they don’t do anything about it?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2022-06-09/wolf-pack-kills-calf-forcing-decision-on-lethal-control
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: buckfvr on June 10, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Wolves killing calves....still
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: Twispriver on June 11, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Wolves are part of the landscape now and they aren't going away anytime soon. Factoring in predation loss is going to have to become part of the business plan for ranchers as it is for most other forms of agriculture and farming. Shepherds lose lambs, poultry farmers lose birds, deer eat alfalfa, oats and wheat and insects damage produce. Cattle ranchers also get compensated for their loss.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: buckfvr on June 11, 2022, 01:51:09 PM
According to the local ranchers, the compensation program is pure bs.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: highcountry_hunter on June 11, 2022, 10:21:08 PM
According to the local ranchers, the compensation program is pure bs.

Not only that, but it doesn’t factor in the larger losses that cattlemen suffer due to predators. Cow pregnancy rates have fallen from roughly 90% to averaging 60% due to constant harassment and stress from predators. Not only that but weight gains have dropped significantly. Skinny cows who don’t have calves don’t make cattlemen much money.

Also, the largest cattle company in northeastern Washington, who has suffered more confirmed and unconfirmed cattle losses than any other livestock producer in the state, has refused to accept a single penny in reimbursement from WDFW.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: cem3434 on June 12, 2022, 07:37:13 AM
Wolves killing calves....still

Nothing to see here according to WDFW, just keep moving along.  :bash:
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: chukarchaser on June 13, 2022, 06:23:36 PM
at least one more confirmed by WDFW calf killed as of yesterday 6/12. 
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: full choke on June 15, 2022, 08:28:25 PM
https://mynorthwest.com/3519847/washington-reinstates-kill-order-togo-wolf-pack-cattle-attacks/

The Togo wolf pack in Northeastern Washington has injured or killed four calves within the last 30 days, triggering lethal removal of wolves under the state’s management plan.

On Monday, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Director Kelly Susewind released a statement that a hunt for one or two wolves will take place. He authorized the action in response to repeated depredations of cattle on private grazing lands in Ferry County.

“The proactive and responsive non-lethal deterrents used by the two affected livestock producers in the area this grazing season have not curtailed further depredations,” WDFW said in a press release.

The WDFW has shot one wolf in five previous tries at culling the pack since 2018.
Lethal removal authorization expires when the wolf or wolves have been removed, or after June 27, whichever comes first. The authorization could be extended or amended to include other wolves in the pack if additional depredations are documented in the next couple of weeks, according to WDF.
“They don’t think they have anything to fear from,” said Scott Nielsen, President of the Stevens County Cattlemen’s Association, on June 13. “It’s past time that something gets done to protect livestock, but unfortunately, I do not think that killing one or two of the pack is going to slow the attacks at this point. Fish and Wildlife waited too long, and they’ve now got a chronically depredating pack of wolves on their hands.”
Nielsen believes many other kills and injuries are tied to the Togo pack, but it is challenging to get WDFW to confirm them.
This is, in part, connected to Gov. Jay Inslee’s plea in 2019 to “significantly reduce” the killing of wolves involved in livestock conflicts. In a letter to WDFW, Inslee asked that the state increase efforts to change guidelines that dictate when a wolf can be lethally removed.
WDFW must confirm at least three wolf depredations from the pack on livestock within 30 days or four within 10 months.
The official Washington wolf population numbers as of 2021 were 206 wolves in 33 packs, with 19 successful breeding pairs. The WDFW documented 30 wolves were killed by people in 2021, up from 16 in 2022. Two wolves were killed by the WDFW itself while 22 were legally hunted by tribal members and four were struck by vehicles.
The department counted seven wolves in the pack at the end of 2021. Two of the wolves are wearing radio collars. Removing one or two wolves from the pack won’t harm the recovery of wolves in the state, according to WDFW.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: hunter399 on June 15, 2022, 10:45:35 PM
https://mynorthwest.com/3519847/washington-reinstates-kill-order-togo-wolf-pack-cattle-attacks/

The Togo wolf pack in Northeastern Washington has injured or killed four calves within the last 30 days, triggering lethal removal of wolves under the state’s management plan.

On Monday, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Director Kelly Susewind released a statement that a hunt for one or two wolves will take place. He authorized the action in response to repeated depredations of cattle on private grazing lands in Ferry County.

“The proactive and responsive non-lethal deterrents used by the two affected livestock producers in the area this grazing season have not curtailed further depredations,” WDFW said in a press release.

The WDFW has shot one wolf in five previous tries at culling the pack since 2018.
Lethal removal authorization expires when the wolf or wolves have been removed, or after June 27, whichever comes first. The authorization could be extended or amended to include other wolves in the pack if additional depredations are documented in the next couple of weeks, according to WDF.
“They don’t think they have anything to fear from,” said Scott Nielsen, President of the Stevens County Cattlemen’s Association, on June 13. “It’s past time that something gets done to protect livestock, but unfortunately, I do not think that killing one or two of the pack is going to slow the attacks at this point. Fish and Wildlife waited too long, and they’ve now got a chronically depredating pack of wolves on their hands.”
Nielsen believes many other kills and injuries are tied to the Togo pack, but it is challenging to get WDFW to confirm them.
This is, in part, connected to Gov. Jay Inslee’s plea in 2019 to “significantly reduce” the killing of wolves involved in livestock conflicts. In a letter to WDFW, Inslee asked that the state increase efforts to change guidelines that dictate when a wolf can be lethally removed.
WDFW must confirm at least three wolf depredations from the pack on livestock within 30 days or four within 10 months.
The official Washington wolf population numbers as of 2021 were 206 wolves in 33 packs, with 19 successful breeding pairs. The WDFW documented 30 wolves were killed by people in 2021, up from 16 in 2022. Two wolves were killed by the WDFW itself while 22 were legally hunted by tribal members and four were struck by vehicles.
The department counted seven wolves in the pack at the end of 2021. Two of the wolves are wearing radio collars. Removing one or two wolves from the pack won’t harm the recovery of wolves in the state, according to WDFW.


Inslee and the state need to be sued.
Just like he told WDFW a few years ago that they couldn't raise cougar quotas.
The parents of that little girl that just got attacked down in Fruitland should sue the pants off the state for BIG money.
Let inslee know that if you don't allow WDFW to do there job then you personally will be held responsible.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: GWP on June 16, 2022, 06:55:30 AM
https://mynorthwest.com/3519847/washington-reinstates-kill-order-togo-wolf-pack-cattle-attacks/

The Togo wolf pack in Northeastern Washington has injured or killed four calves within the last 30 days, triggering lethal removal of wolves under the state’s management plan.

On Monday, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Director Kelly Susewind released a statement that a hunt for one or two wolves will take place. He authorized the action in response to repeated depredations of cattle on private grazing lands in Ferry County.

“The proactive and responsive non-lethal deterrents used by the two affected livestock producers in the area this grazing season have not curtailed further depredations,” WDFW said in a press release.

The WDFW has shot one wolf in five previous tries at culling the pack since 2018.
Lethal removal authorization expires when the wolf or wolves have been removed, or after June 27, whichever comes first. The authorization could be extended or amended to include other wolves in the pack if additional depredations are documented in the next couple of weeks, according to WDF.
“They don’t think they have anything to fear from,” said Scott Nielsen, President of the Stevens County Cattlemen’s Association, on June 13. “It’s past time that something gets done to protect livestock, but unfortunately, I do not think that killing one or two of the pack is going to slow the attacks at this point. Fish and Wildlife waited too long, and they’ve now got a chronically depredating pack of wolves on their hands.”
Nielsen believes many other kills and injuries are tied to the Togo pack, but it is challenging to get WDFW to confirm them.
This is, in part, connected to Gov. Jay Inslee’s plea in 2019 to “significantly reduce” the killing of wolves involved in livestock conflicts. In a letter to WDFW, Inslee asked that the state increase efforts to change guidelines that dictate when a wolf can be lethally removed.
WDFW must confirm at least three wolf depredations from the pack on livestock within 30 days or four within 10 months.
The official Washington wolf population numbers as of 2021 were 206 wolves in 33 packs, with 19 successful breeding pairs. The WDFW documented 30 wolves were killed by people in 2021, up from 16 in 2022. Two wolves were killed by the WDFW itself while 22 were legally hunted by tribal members and four were struck by vehicles.
The department counted seven wolves in the pack at the end of 2021. Two of the wolves are wearing radio collars. Removing one or two wolves from the pack won’t harm the recovery of wolves in the state, according to WDFW.


Inslee and the state need to be sued.
Just like he told WDFW a few years ago that they couldn't raise cougar quotas.
The parents of that little girl that just got attacked down in Fruitland should sue the pants off the state for BIG money.
Let inslee know that if you don't allow WDFW to do there job then you personally will be held responsible.

State LOVES to spend YOUR money. They. Don’t. Care.
As long as it supports the direction they want it to go, they will spend all of it and then collect more. Probably raise Hunting fee’s to support it!
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2022, 07:30:43 AM
https://mynorthwest.com/3519847/washington-reinstates-kill-order-togo-wolf-pack-cattle-attacks/

The Togo wolf pack in Northeastern Washington has injured or killed four calves within the last 30 days, triggering lethal removal of wolves under the state’s management plan.

On Monday, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Director Kelly Susewind released a statement that a hunt for one or two wolves will take place. He authorized the action in response to repeated depredations of cattle on private grazing lands in Ferry County.

“The proactive and responsive non-lethal deterrents used by the two affected livestock producers in the area this grazing season have not curtailed further depredations,” WDFW said in a press release.

The WDFW has shot one wolf in five previous tries at culling the pack since 2018.
Lethal removal authorization expires when the wolf or wolves have been removed, or after June 27, whichever comes first. The authorization could be extended or amended to include other wolves in the pack if additional depredations are documented in the next couple of weeks, according to WDF.
“They don’t think they have anything to fear from,” said Scott Nielsen, President of the Stevens County Cattlemen’s Association, on June 13. “It’s past time that something gets done to protect livestock, but unfortunately, I do not think that killing one or two of the pack is going to slow the attacks at this point. Fish and Wildlife waited too long, and they’ve now got a chronically depredating pack of wolves on their hands.”
Nielsen believes many other kills and injuries are tied to the Togo pack, but it is challenging to get WDFW to confirm them.
This is, in part, connected to Gov. Jay Inslee’s plea in 2019 to “significantly reduce” the killing of wolves involved in livestock conflicts. In a letter to WDFW, Inslee asked that the state increase efforts to change guidelines that dictate when a wolf can be lethally removed.
WDFW must confirm at least three wolf depredations from the pack on livestock within 30 days or four within 10 months.
The official Washington wolf population numbers as of 2021 were 206 wolves in 33 packs, with 19 successful breeding pairs. The WDFW documented 30 wolves were killed by people in 2021, up from 16 in 2022. Two wolves were killed by the WDFW itself while 22 were legally hunted by tribal members and four were struck by vehicles.
The department counted seven wolves in the pack at the end of 2021. Two of the wolves are wearing radio collars. Removing one or two wolves from the pack won’t harm the recovery of wolves in the state, according to WDFW.


Inslee and the state need to be sued.
Just like he told WDFW a few years ago that they couldn't raise cougar quotas.
The parents of that little girl that just got attacked down in Fruitland should sue the pants off the state for BIG money.
Let inslee know that if you don't allow WDFW to do there job then you personally will be held responsible.

State LOVES to spend YOUR money. They. Don’t. Care.
As long as it supports the direction they want it to go, they will spend all of it and then collect more. Probably raise Hunting fee’s to support it!
That's a no brainer right there.
That's why the parents of that little girl should put there hand in inslee pocket ,and take some of that money.
They should file multiple suits .
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: Twispriver on June 16, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
On what grounds would the ranchers or the little girl's parents sue the State?
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 16, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Looking at the current wolf packs in NE Washington. It appears that we have lost one of the first packs. They are not recognizing the OPT pack, but now we have the Togo pack. Working around the place I'm not hearing a small aircraft flying around. The last time they made a run at the wedge pack there were aircraft in the air 5 days a week and nothing on the weekends. That way the "Karens" were not offended.

The Togo wolf pack was confirmed as a pack in 2017. According to the 2020 annual population survey, the pack had a minimum count of three wolves and was not considered a successful breeding pair in 2020 (see pages 58-59 in the state’s Wolf Conservation and Management Plan for a description of a successful breeding pair).

Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: 2MANY on June 16, 2022, 12:18:17 PM
Remember when they introduced the wolves in Idaho?
Shortly there after we lost calves every year.

Back then WA folks couldn't even relate to the problem.
It all started with a few breeding pairs in an area that didn't affect the WA folks.

Welcome to the party.


Perhaps folks should pay attention.
What harm could one little gun law have?

Remember this 20 years from today.

Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: buckfvr on June 16, 2022, 12:26:25 PM
On what grounds would the ranchers or the little girl's parents sue the State?


 :yeah:

Talk about wasting time and throwing away money.....
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 16, 2022, 06:44:15 PM
This afternoon I saw a single engine aircraft flying the ridge line on the eastern side of 101. Didn't make many passes. But this expires around the 27th they will run out of time again.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2022, 06:51:30 PM
This afternoon I saw a single engine aircraft flying the ridge line on the eastern side of 101. Didn't make many passes. But this expires around the 27th they will run out of time again.
Yup that sounds about right.
Ya I was a little off topic yesterday.
Sounds about the same stuff ,no predator management for NE Washington.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: chukarchaser on June 17, 2022, 04:47:58 PM
They killed two wolves today including at last one femaie
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: chukarchaser on June 17, 2022, 04:56:11 PM
They got an adult male today and the permit is now expired.
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: jackelope on June 17, 2022, 04:58:04 PM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/2-wolves-lethally-removed-in-northern-ferry-county/?fbclid=IwAR3d-oigSRLJrWSOAc2UCsjLTms6TLfZSYMGGY33xUjH8AQrxiiH3FHCyWY
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: hunter399 on June 17, 2022, 05:14:04 PM
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/2-wolves-lethally-removed-in-northern-ferry-county/?fbclid=IwAR3d-oigSRLJrWSOAc2UCsjLTms6TLfZSYMGGY33xUjH8AQrxiiH3FHCyWY
Holy smokes
That is surprising to say the least .
Someone kick me .
Title: Re: Wolves killing calves…again
Post by: wolfbait on August 01, 2022, 07:10:35 AM
Wolves are part of the landscape now and they aren't going away anytime soon. Factoring in predation loss is going to have to become part of the business plan for ranchers as it is for most other forms of agriculture and farming. Shepherds lose lambs, poultry farmers lose birds, deer eat alfalfa, oats and wheat and insects damage produce. Cattle ranchers also get compensated for their loss.

If you were a rancher or the wolves affected you in any way, quite sure you would have a different take. one in nine cattle are confirmed wolf kills, so the compensation line of BS is just that BS.



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