Post by: WWC on June 10, 2022, 12:18:06 PM
4:03:30 Commissioner Rowlands comments
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Post by: Ridgerunner on June 10, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2022, 01:31:39 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 10, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Rowland's appointment actually goes against the mission of the Wildlife Commission and the rules for the appointments.
I'd like it if you could take a moment to elaborate your thoughts some there, perhaps. Not saying you're wrong or I disagree; seems like it could be leverage if a good argument could be articulated.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
Post by: johnbmyersii on June 10, 2022, 02:04:25 PM
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.
Thank you. I was looking for that RCW. :tup:
Post by: Jake Dogfish on June 10, 2022, 02:12:57 PM
I would classify them as climate alarmists and predator starvationists.Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.
Post by: WWC on June 10, 2022, 02:17:49 PM
Post by: HillHound on June 10, 2022, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 10, 2022, 02:45:20 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 10, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
What a mess these other two liberal hags are.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2022, 02:58:34 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on June 10, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on June 10, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
Not to judge a book by its cover but just looking at the screenshots, do any of them really look like they are avid hunters or anglers?
Does anybody?
Post by: Timberstalker on June 10, 2022, 03:59:10 PM
Post by: lewy on June 10, 2022, 04:39:30 PM
Post by: Special T on June 10, 2022, 04:49:52 PM
Not to judge a book by its cover but just looking at the screenshots, do any of them really look like they are avid hunters or anglers?
Anderson is both and has the high distinction to be the only non Indian to chair the NWIFC Northwest Indian Fisheries Council. Mc Isaac is a fisherman and hunted in his youth. Lehmkule has purchased a small game and turkey tag in this state.
Thorburn is not a hunter and If Im not mistaken a Vegetarian, amazingly enough I belive her to be our strongest and moust outspoken commission. Only Her and Mc Iassac stood for keeping coyote derbies.
Baker is a lawyer, smart but anti hunting, Smith... I feel dumber listening to her. Rowland has purchased a fishing license and Ragen has had neither a hunting or fishing Lic and is focused on the protection and preservation of predators of the water.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2022, 11:40:52 AM
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
I would argue their not even leaning towards environmentalists, they are leaning towards screw hunting in general and let the woods sort it out. But they forget we have taken large portions of those animals lands, so by not managing them appropriately it's only going to end in disaster. Bears having to be put down for human conflict, cougars same thing, prey animals dying in water ways and spreading disease. They don't care about the wildlife at all, they care about getting rid of hunting period. Or so it seems.
There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.
Post by: baker5150 on June 14, 2022, 11:53:53 AM
Post by: Cougartail on June 14, 2022, 11:56:41 AM
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
Agree 1000% !
Post by: optic2 on June 15, 2022, 04:43:35 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 15, 2022, 05:10:17 AM
Post by: WWC on June 23, 2022, 10:48:42 PM
Sign up for open public input now! 340 pm at least register for comments and let them know how you feel!
Post by: Timberstalker on June 25, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
Curious what was discussed/decided.
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2022, 04:54:57 PM
I don't think you have to be a hunter to be on the commission. I do think you need to have an understanding of the positive impacts that hunting offers. I also think you must have an open mind and not be an anti-hunter.
I think ideally they’re all neutral in terms of hunting and fishing. Obviously we want them to be as pro-hunting/fishing as possible but I’m not sure that’s realistic. Neutral should at least be a thing.
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2022, 04:56:51 PM
If Smith "doesn't have the energy" to re-discuss the Spring Bear issue, then she needs to resign.
This x1000. I mean really this should be presented to whoever the hail is in charge of her job and it should be considered. She doesn’t have the energy to do her job?? See ya, don’t let the door hit you …
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 25, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
Here are the tag quotas for the CCT
Black Bear Any legal weapon
Either
Sex
Year round
NH - Required No daily or season
bag limit SH - Not Required
March 1 -
June 30
Game Reserve Bear Permit
Required
Two (2) Game
Reserve Bear per year
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56f45574d51cd42551248613/t/62aa10257827247f25900f98/1655312425583/2022-2025+Tribal+Member+Hunting+and+Trapping+Regulations_Res+2022-366.pdf
Page 17
Not making this a tribal issue but is this because of better management or?
Unless I am misreading this there's no daily limit or season limit but opened year-round in the north half.
This is not an issue between the CCT and Sportsman. This is between the Sportsman and your governor and his game commission.
Post by: Special T on June 25, 2022, 08:40:58 PM
I'm sure she follows the science and is aware the CCT has this type of season in the NE corner of the state. If someone pointed out this to her. Her response would be we are not concerned what the tribes are doing. We are just looking out for the best outcome for the cute bears.
Here are the tag quotas for the CCT
Black Bear Any legal weapon
Either
Sex
Year round
NH - Required No daily or season
bag limit SH - Not Required
March 1 -
June 30
Game Reserve Bear Permit
Required
Two (2) Game
Reserve Bear per year
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56f45574d51cd42551248613/t/62aa10257827247f25900f98/1655312425583/2022-2025+Tribal+Member+Hunting+and+Trapping+Regulations_Res+2022-366.pdf
Page 17
Not making this a tribal issue but is this because of better management or?
Unless I am misreading this there's no daily limit or season limit but opened year-round in the north half.
This is not an issue between the CCT and Sportsman. This is between the Sportsman and your governor and his game commission.
Not all Colville will shoot bears... and if you read that whole link you will find the they can manage the north half better than the WDFW and its Commissioners that are anti hunters. Sportsmen are going to need to get squared away on swallowing disagreements with the tribes. They are likely our only hope with all the anti hunters that have infested the WDFW and this state. :twocents:
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 25, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
Not all Colville will shoot bears... and if you read that whole link you will find the they can manage the north half better than the WDFW and its Commissioners that are anti hunters. Sportsmen are going to need to get squared away on swallowing disagreements with the tribes. They are likely our only hope with all the anti hunters that have infested the WDFW and this state. :twocents:
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I do believe that was my point. They manage the same ground as WDFW.
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2022, 09:12:40 AM
What the tribe does are to different topics.
The tribe is not bound by any state law.
If they cooperative in game management with the state that's great ,but at the end of the day doesn't really matter.
And yes because there not bound by state law,the tribe can be an effective predator management tool.
With spring bear a compensation program for timber company's should be set up .
Property damage is property damage.
No different than livestock eaten by wolves they get compensation.
If you fail to manage bears,protect bears,won't allow recreational hunting of bears at the time when damage occurs.
It's time for WDFW to start writing checks.
For every action there is a reaction.
Also want to say the Commission dodging this decision left and right . Is also dodging paying for there decision.
If they vote down spring bear ,a compensation program should be on the agenda the very next day.
Post by: chukarchaser on June 27, 2022, 06:10:44 PM