Post by: X-Force on June 15, 2022, 08:07:45 PM
Post by: Buck Rub Jr on June 15, 2022, 08:09:57 PM
Post by: RockChuck on June 15, 2022, 08:18:31 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 15, 2022, 09:05:21 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 16, 2022, 05:57:10 AM
Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.
Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call There's a list of who's next in line.
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2022, 06:05:25 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RockChuck on June 16, 2022, 06:07:00 AM
Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.
Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call There's a list of who's next in line.
Ok thank you, so anytime before the permit turn in deadline.
Post by: bustedoldman on June 16, 2022, 06:39:29 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 16, 2022, 06:57:31 AM
Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.
Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call There's a list of who's next in line.
Ok thank you, so anytime before the permit turn in deadline.
You have up until 2 weeks before your hunt starts yo.turn your tag back in. Some lucky people will be getting a call with very short notice, asking if they want the tag.
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2022, 07:06:38 AM
Just curious.
Asking for a friend.
Post by: BA Mongor on June 16, 2022, 07:22:32 AM
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2022, 07:24:15 AM
I know this has been asked, but is there anyway to find out where you were on the draw list?I wouldn't mind knowing.
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.
But I have a feeling I'm at the entrance both ,not even in the 🏟.
Post by: MtnMuley on June 16, 2022, 07:32:35 AM
I know this has been asked, but is there anyway to find out where you were on the draw list?
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.
The only people back in the day that'd know were the alternates on the OIL tags. I was next in line a couple years ago on a ewe tag and never got anything in the mail. Received a call about a month ahead of the hunt. To my knowledge the only way you could find out these days on where you sat in line would be to call them and I imagine if people started doing that, their phone lines would be ringing off the hook.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 16, 2022, 08:04:47 AM
Post by: pickardjw on June 16, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.
Post by: mossback91 on June 16, 2022, 10:03:57 AM
Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.I’ll be curious to see what they have to say.
I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 16, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
I drew the Blue Mtn. Foothills Late Muzzy tag, the Blue Creek Muzzy tag and a Blue Creek Antlerless tag.
So, I called to see if I could surrender two of them and just keep the late tag. I did this thinking it would free those up for others to be awarded. I was sad to find out that while I can get my points back if i surrender those tags, nobody else will draw them. So, I took 3 tags out of the pool and will only be keeping one. Kind of a bummer it goes like that. Wonder how often that happens????
Just pulled this quote from @CoryTDF that he posted in a different thread.
Post by: MtnMuley on June 16, 2022, 10:17:20 AM
If that's the case that the returned tags won't be given to another person, I think we need to group up and make a point to WDFW that either we go back to the days of no returns or they have an alternate list per species. I know I have a couple tags to return back this year and it disgusts me if this is true that I took ⁷a chance away from somebody else and that's not right. I wouldn't have done both categories with the points I had if it were like the past.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 16, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.
Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.
Post by: jackelope on June 16, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.
I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.
I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 16, 2022, 10:54:27 AM
Post by: Clearcut on June 16, 2022, 10:55:38 AM
Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.
I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.
I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?
Not at all. Apply for them but be prepared to lose your points for every draw you get. Not like the point system works well anyway but giving back points for people to return a tag for any reason at all seems odd.
Post by: pickardjw on June 16, 2022, 11:07:01 AM
Where is the written rule for returning permits? Can't find it in the regs. Link?
On pg 16
Post by: bobcat on June 16, 2022, 11:20:49 AM
Also, it's not really something that should even be considered when a permit is returned only two weeks before the season starts. That's just not enough time. If permits were to be re-issued to another person, then the deadline for returning them should be more like two months before the season starts, not two weeks.
Post by: Meow on June 16, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
That’s what I think. It’s double screwing those that didn’t draw.
First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.
Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.
It is infuriating that they don't just pass the tag onto a runner up and still allow its return for restoration of points. The department should keep records of the runners up and contact them to offer the tags that were returned.
Why allow the return of a "product" that you're just going to burn up or throw in the trash instead of sell to a different consumer?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 16, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued
Post by: WSU on June 16, 2022, 11:26:57 AM
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
Post by: MeepDog on June 16, 2022, 11:34:41 AM
On a positive note maybe with all these turned in tags the cow/doe harvest will be lower.
Post by: pickardjw on June 16, 2022, 11:36:15 AM
I assume they just go next in line.
Post by: bigtex on June 16, 2022, 11:38:05 AM
WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
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Post by: WSU on June 16, 2022, 11:42:25 AM
WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
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True, which is why I said the WAC "contemplates" reissuance instead of "requires" reissuance.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2022, 11:42:39 AM
WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
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:yeah:
The Devil really is in the details!
Post by: MeepDog on June 16, 2022, 11:44:27 AM
Exactly. I'll believe it when I start reading threads from people that have received a turned in tag. Until then they are just disappearing as far as I'm concerned.WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
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Post by: Buck Rub Jr on June 16, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
Post by: millerwheeler on June 16, 2022, 12:02:04 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on June 16, 2022, 12:31:48 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on June 16, 2022, 12:36:45 PM
we crossed this bridge last year too, and multiple people had emails including myself from the dept stating they would be reissuing the tags, and as bullblaster posted, there is a WAC that states it. I find it really interesting that throughout this entire forum, nobody has a friend or a friend of a friend that got a call and received a "returned tag" seems that someone on the forum would at least know of or personally know a person that did get the call. I would think an attorney somewhere would be salivating at this and making the state prove they are following through.
“Can” be reissued and must are 2 very different words and unfortunately do you think 2 weeks before season is enough time ?
Post by: bobcat on June 16, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
Post by: Meow on June 16, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
Post by: MtnMuley on June 16, 2022, 01:04:00 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.
Post by: jstone on June 16, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 16, 2022, 01:13:02 PM
WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.
"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."
Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.
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Or what season/year it would be reissued. :dunno:
Post by: Meow on June 16, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.
That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.
Post by: baker5150 on June 16, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.
That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.
My FIL received a returned doe tag last season. WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.
Post by: RockChuck on June 16, 2022, 01:28:57 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.
That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.
My FIL received a returned doe tag last season. WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.
Thank you, so it can happen :tup:
Post by: outdooraddict on June 16, 2022, 01:35:53 PM
I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.
I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.
That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.
My FIL received a returned doe tag last season. WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.