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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: The scout on July 04, 2022, 11:36:22 AM
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So I finally did not draw my general deer combo in Montana, so I signed up for the alternate’s list. So couple questions for guys that have done it. Do you actually find out your number in line? Seems like you could kind of make plans according to that. If you do find out when are they posted? I know there’s no guarantee at all for getting a tag but I’m just trying to figure out all my hunts and dates. Thought I remember people talking about what number they got.
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Yeah, you find out your number and it updates as people get tags
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That’s what I was hoping, do you know roughly when that happens? The deadline to get on it was June 30 so I was thinking it would be pretty quick.
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If memory serves me correctly I think you should know your number in mid July.
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I heard applications were down "double digit" percentage this year, hopefully you guys will get a tag!
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Looks like between the 10th and the 15th in years past. I’m really hoping for a low number for at least two of us in our group so we can start making plans
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Looks like between the 10th and the 15th in years past. I’m really hoping for a low number for at least two of us in our group so we can start making plans
That’s my thing also, I just want to know. If I get a ridiculous high number I’m going to plan another hunt.
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I’m really hoping for a low number for at least two of us in our group so we can start making plans
Isn't everybody :chuckle: .
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I’m really hoping for a low number for at least two of us in our group so we can start making plans
Isn't everybody :chuckle: .
Yes definitely a bit of an understatement. It would be nice if they would let you put in on the alternate list in your group so people didn’t get stuck going alone or not at all because the rest of their party can’t go.
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If there’s 400 tags available do they make it available for the first 400 on there profile or how does it work ?
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If there’s 400 tags available do they make it available for the first 400 on there profile or how does it work ?
As tags are returned they go to number 1 on the list and then number two and so on. It could be 10 tags or it could total a thousand tags. No way of knowing the amount but I suspect it will be more than normal this year.
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They completely ruined the alternates list when the sign up went from first come first served to a randomized drawing.
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Between 4 and 500 apparently
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Well I see the alternates list numbers are up. Thank God I am 2344 out of 2704. Wouldnt want to be too close to the front might as well make it a challenge... wouldnt want to break my string of poor results in draws this year :o
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I'm in at #524, not sure if that will mean a deer combo or not...
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Well, this is interesting. My group had such bad luck at trying to draw a regular tag, that MT had to rub our noses in it even more. Out of 2,704 alternates, we hold #2133, 2161, 2573 and 2659.
Not looking good for MT this year.
Anyone get into the "top 500" list??????
Good luck to anyone who does pick up an alternate tag!
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I am at number #979. Not too worried about getting a phone call with that placement! :bash:
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Well, this is interesting. My group had such bad luck at trying to draw a regular tag, that MT had to rub our noses in it even more. Out of 2,704 alternates, we hold #2133, 2161, 2573 and 2659.
Not looking good for MT this year.
Anyone get into the "top 500" list??????
Good luck to anyone who does pick up an alternate tag!
Curious if you all signed up for the tag late in the sign up period?
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With the current state of the economy and gas prices most notably I would not be surprised if they get 500-700 deep into the list this year for elk combo and 300+ for deer combo and big game combo.
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#2543. Guess it’s time for other plans
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Number 618 out of 2704. I probably won’t get very early notice but I should have a decent chance of getting a tag
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Number 618 out of 2704. I probably won’t get very early notice but I should have a decent chance of getting a tag
And another one in our party that got just under 800. Waiting on the third guy hopefully he got a decent number and we can try to start making plans for late November
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1257 of 1394 for elk. Not a lot of love for WA here so far
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Last year I drew #90 for the deer combo and did not get contacted until the 3rd week in August. I was on a back pack bear hunt at the time and when I came out of the woods I only had 4 of my 10 days left to buy the tag.
Good luck.
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#246 for big game combo. probably low enough to get the call, but probably too high to make plans around it.
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Well, this is interesting. My group had such bad luck at trying to draw a regular tag, that MT had to rub our noses in it even more. Out of 2,704 alternates, we hold #2133, 2161, 2573 and 2659.
Not looking good for MT this year.
Anyone get into the "top 500" list??????
Good luck to anyone who does pick up an alternate tag!
Curious if you all signed up for the tag late in the sign up period?
If I remember right, I signed us all up in the first couple of days. Was looking for the reverse of what you are asking. LOL That thought didn't work very good either. Oh well, thank God for OR and ID for some other tags to hunt, not sure that we would have been able to swing a MT deer hunt in early November anyways.
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supposedly it doesnt matter when you sign up since they randomize the numbers... I was 154 last year but they accidentally published the numbers in order of sign up and after randomization I was 1900 or so... always next year
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I got #169 for big game combo.
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#246 for big game combo. probably low enough to get the call, but probably too high to make plans around it.
Make plans. You are going
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#246 for big game combo. probably low enough to get the call, but probably too high to make plans around it.
Make plans. You are going
thank for the support. I was looking at last few years, and it looks like they take about 350 to 500 each year. That is if i am following correctly.
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1447 and 841 for me and my buddy , mule deer combo :'(
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Good thing I have Idaho deer and pronghorn tags because I got no love from Montana at #1868.
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We’ll time to make other plans, #1154 in line for deer combo
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Hoping it is lucky #353 for me.
Turned 40 last month and a Montana deer tag was what I was really hoping for.
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Hoping it is lucky #353 for me.
Turned 40 last month and a Montana deer tag was what I was really hoping for.
You should be in play with that number. Might be darn near the season but I’d think you will get the call.
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I’m at 2216 and my daughter is at 1838 for the deer combo. So there’s a chance. I was really hoping one of us would get a low number since I have a 410 cow tag
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#24 My streak continues! :)
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So is #2073 good??? :chuckle:
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You’re telling me I’ve got a chance!
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My son is #2701 of 2704....and I was 2300(ish) of 2704. :bash:
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I was Number 2221 and my dad was 446 the only reason why he puts in is because I do . so having him with the smaller number basically we will not end up going. I usually take my daughter with me and she gets her deer tag also. Kind of sucks broke a long draw streak been going since 2011 every year but since they changed all the rules last year about who gets drawn. looks like we will be going less. I guess if it is a year not to go this is it it would cost about triple to go this year than last year
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
Yeah are going . It varies year to year . 4 years ago a buddy was like #248 he got the call 3 days before the end of the season . 3 years ago I was 748ish , got the call labor day weekend . 2 years ago buddy was 768ish . He got the call 2 days before end of season , luckily he tagged along with me and was over there when they called .
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
Yeah are going . It varies year to year . 4 years ago a buddy was like #248 he got the call 3 days before the end of the season . 3 years ago I was 748ish , got the call labor day weekend . 2 years ago buddy was 768ish . He got the call 2 days before end of season , luckily he tagged along with me and was over there when they called .
I was 436 two years ago and got the e mail in Idaho while deer hunting the day before Halloween.
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
Yeah are going . It varies year to year . 4 years ago a buddy was like #248 he got the call 3 days before the end of the season . 3 years ago I was 748ish , got the call labor day weekend . 2 years ago buddy was 768ish . He got the call 2 days before end of season , luckily he tagged along with me and was over there when they called .
I was 436 two years ago and got the e mail in Idaho while deer hunting the day before Halloween.
Could be wrong on the years . I know the #s I wrote are pretty close hence the "ish " 😉
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
Yeah are going . It varies year to year . 4 years ago a buddy was like #248 he got the call 3 days before the end of the season . 3 years ago I was 748ish , got the call labor day weekend . 2 years ago buddy was 768ish . He got the call 2 days before end of season , luckily he tagged along with me and was over there when they called .
With this years gas prices, does anyone think they’ll get to the 900’s? I’m 979 this year.
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Drew #150 for Deer, thinking that will def get me in, anybody know how many they alternates got in last year or know where to find official numbers for years past?
Yeah are going . It varies year to year . 4 years ago a buddy was like #248 he got the call 3 days before the end of the season . 3 years ago I was 748ish , got the call labor day weekend . 2 years ago buddy was 768ish . He got the call 2 days before end of season , luckily he tagged along with me and was over there when they called .
With this years gas prices, does anyone think they’ll get to the 900’s? I’m 979 this year.
Hard to say . Would it stop me. No . The guys I know that have tags are still planning on going .
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Does anybody know when they start calling people and updating our place on the list?
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I’m sure there are people on the clock so to speak right now. I believe once your number comes up you have 10 days to purchase the tag. That being said, I think the numbers were done on the 11th so would expect to see numbers updated the 21st/22nd.
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#24 on deer and no call yet
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#24 on deer and no call yet
Do they always call? i thought the state of Montana transition to email in the last couple of years.
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My buddy is waiting as well.....But I'm curious as to how it works? So lets say on the 1st they drew all the alternate #'s, if there are 600 available then on the 2nd they would email/call the first 600? Then after 10 days, there are 300 available, so they call/email the next 300? If that is how its done then Flaming should have received a call/email by now unless there wasn't 24 available...... ?
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My buddy is waiting as well.....But I'm curious as to how it works? So lets say on the 1st they drew all the alternate #'s, if there are 600 available then on the 2nd they would email/call the first 600? Then after 10 days, there are 300 available, so they call/email the next 300? If that is how its done then Flaming should have received a call/email by now unless there wasn't 24 available...... ?
I called MT Fish and Game this morning. The guy I talked to told me the first emails will go out next week.
He also told me they gave out 156 deer permits last year, as part of the Alternate List.
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I don’t know if it works the same way in the beginning. But I got my e mail a couple years ago the end of October when I was in Idaho deer hunting. The e mail started I could purchase a tag and had 10 days from the day of my e mail, but also said I was not guaranteed a tag as they notify more people then tags available. But they could just be towards the end because it’s harder for people to make plans to hunt Montana that late in the year.
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I don’t have official numbers but I’ve read from multiple Montana sites and forums that they got into 700+ last year, so I think the 150 is a little low. We shall see.
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I don’t have official numbers but I’ve read from multiple Montana sites and forums that they got into 700+ last year, so I think the 150 is a little low. We shall see.
I hope you are right, and I hope the guy I talked to was all wet.
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#24 on deer and no call yet
Do they always call? i thought the state of Montana transition to email in the last couple of years.
You are probably right, I don't know how it works. Never had to get on the list until this year.
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I don’t have official numbers but I’ve read from multiple Montana sites and forums that they got into 700+ last year, so I think the 150 is a little low. We shall see.
156 was the amount of tags available, not everybody accepts the tag. I couldn’t as I had already scheduled a jobs all of November
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Maybe they meant 700+ people got the email and the 150 tags were avail, hard to believe that many people turned them down, although the later it is the harder to go.
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Anyone know how many are available this year?
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The 156 was for the deer tag only combo license. The big game combo that includes deer and elk will be a much higher number because so many more of those combos are sold and allotted. You need to make sure you applied in the alternate list in the exact same way you applied for your combo license or you are screwed. For instance, if you applied for a deer/elk combo license in the main draw and we’re unsuccessful, and then you applied on the alternant list for deer only, you will be moved to the back of the line of all other applicants. If your name comes up and you applied for the deer/elk combo, you can’t tell them you just want deer or elk only. You have to take the entire license with both tags.
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Yeah, I’m aware, been drawn in Montana 4 years in a row, first year I didn’t, def not a stranger to the fine print, I’m not worried, #150 ish got the email first week of Aug last year, this year I’d imagine even more calls will go out.
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I'd imagine you'd get an alternate permit, Tdot!
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Hope so, Montana is so fun, just wish the other peeps in my party wouldn’t be so far down list , dad is like 950 ish, bro is 2300 lol
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Hope so, Montana is so fun, just wish the other peeps in my party wouldn’t be so far down list , dad is like 950 ish, bro is 2300 lol
Have them pick up an extra doe tag if possible and tag along. I’d be planning to go if I were you solo or not!
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My buddy is waiting as well.....But I'm curious as to how it works? So lets say on the 1st they drew all the alternate #'s, if there are 600 available then on the 2nd they would email/call the first 600? Then after 10 days, there are 300 available, so they call/email the next 300? If that is how its done then Flaming should have received a call/email by now unless there wasn't 24 available...... ?
They do 10 at a time ( or maybe it's 25 ? ) or this is what they told me a couple years ago . You have 10 days to respond ( which is BS in my opinion) . Then they go to the next group in line . And it's starts all over again
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Hope so, Montana is so fun, just wish the other peeps in my party wouldn’t be so far down list , dad is like 950 ish, bro is 2300 lol
Have them pick up an extra doe tag if possible and tag along. I’d be planning to go if I were you solo or not!
:yeah:
Doe tag, bear tag, wolf tag, shoot grouse, ducks, geese, put in for swans. Part of the challenge is so many opportunities and so few days.
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The 156 was for the deer tag only combo license. The big game combo that includes deer and elk will be a much higher number because so many more of those combos are sold and allotted. You need to make sure you applied in the alternate list in the exact same way you applied for your combo license or you are screwed. For instance, if you applied for a deer/elk combo license in the main draw and we’re unsuccessful, and then you applied on the alternant list for deer only, you will be moved to the back of the line of all other applicants. If your name comes up and you applied for the deer/elk combo, you can’t tell them you just want deer or elk only. You have to take the entire license with both tags.
two years ago when I was in the mid 400’s I didn’t apply before in the general draw and was in front of people that did? Maybe they screwed things up that year. That was when they accidentally posted the list in order off when you applied for it
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Alright just a little update, called the game department yesterday, cause I’m weird like that when it comes to waiting ha, but the two peeps I spoke to both stated last year there were 196 deer combo tags turned in, and they got into “around the 700s” for people who got the call, they both also stated they couldn’t give me an exact number but there were “way more tags turned in this year so far” , also said first rd of emails will go out next week, hopefully this is true, I hate waiting haha.
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Nice! Maybe we can get to #979! Hopefully I don't get the call the last day of the season.
Thanks for the information, Tdot!
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I picked up a couple mule deer doe tags from the surplus yesterday
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Last year my husband was 738 with a the combo and was contacted on October 28th if that any help to anyone. Good luck.
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Awesome information! Thanks, Southpole!
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Tdot or anyone else been contacted by MT F&G yet???
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Nope, I’m on pins n needles haha been checking email, junk mail, the online portal, answering calls of numbers I don’t recognize lol I’m on it!
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Let’s hope that you hear something soon!
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The line is moving forward. 95 spots closer.
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What # are u on the deer combo list?
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moved from 246 to 73 on the list for the big game combo.
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Went from 353 to 258
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I just purchased my alternate Deer Combo on line. I never got a call or e mail FYI and it said I had from 8-4 to 8-8 to purchase it. Luckily I went on HUNT WA today and was looking around forums and clicked on this one to see the line was moving. So I just now went on my MT account and there was the tag for purchase. So guys you better keep checking each day on your MT accounts.
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I just purchased my alternate Deer Combo on line. I never got a call or e mail FYI and it said I had from 8-4 to 8-8 to purchase it. Luckily I went on HUNT WA today and was looking around forums and clicked on this one to see the line was moving. So I just now went on my MT account and there was the tag for purchase. So guys you better keep checking each day on your MT accounts.
Thank you for the heads up that it is a 5 day window. i thought it was longer.
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Line is movin as been said, I’m #55 now, hopefully in next couple weeks I’m in, wonder how far they will get this year, my pops is #930, he will prob get an email two weeks into the season haha
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Line is movin as been said, I’m #55 now, hopefully in next couple weeks I’m in, wonder how far they will get this year, my pops is #930, he will prob get an email two weeks into the season haha
Keep an eye out daily, I was just told they have more tags returned this year than before. I think it's going to move fast
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Yeah I called the dept last week and they told me “way more tags turned in this year” we shall see!
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Interesting I just got the e mail today to purchase but it opened 2 days ago.
WILLIAM
You are receiving this message because you signed up for the Montana FWP Alternate Hunting License List.
You now have the opportunity to purchase: [NONRESIDENT ALTERNATE DEER COMBINATION (08/04/2022 - 08/08/2022)]
The license can be purchased at license providers, FWP regional offices or online at fwp.mt.gov during the five day time period indicated next to the license listed above. The license will be listed under the Alternate heading and must be purchased prior to 11:45 pm on the last day of the time period. If the purchase is not made by that date and time, the opportunity for the Alternate License is lost.
Please note that we may be offering these licenses to more people than we have licenses available to sell these licenses and get through the alternate drawing list. So, the licenses will be sold first come first served through this limited distribution list.
This opportunity applies to the license holder with ALS #: .....
And date of birth: ...../1970
If you need additional assistance or have questions, please call the FWP licensing center at 406-444-2950 or your regional FWP office.
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Oh wow, what # were u on the list to begin with?
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I was wondering the same thing. I would guess he would have been 100 or less Since that’s about how many spots I dropped
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Yeah, same, I went from 155 to 50
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I was #24
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started at #246 for the big game combo and moved to 73 last week and now to #23 as of today.
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Interesting. It doesn’t look like the deer combo changed at all today.
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It dropped another 24 today. I was really hoping it was going down more than that. Into the 400s now! But at 25 a week it’s gonna be a while before I find out if I’m going or not
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Yeah I’m now down to 31 on deer combo, hopefully an email this week , I’m so impatient haha, although I will say, they claimed “way more tags turned in this year so far” compared to last but the line seems to be moving slower than last from what I hear, interesting.
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started at #246 for the big game combo and moved to 73 last week and now to #23 as of today.
i got the notice this afternoon, so i made the purchase, so the Big Game Combo has gone at least through the first 246 people. best of luck to the rest of you.
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Deer combo only dropped 13 this week
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The deer combo list is crawling haha I started at 150, I am now down to 18
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*UPDATE* I’m now #6 as of this morning haha my goodness this is taking forever.
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*UPDATE* I’m now #6 as of this morning haha my goodness this is taking forever.
Sounds like you will get the email in the next couple of weeks. but yes, very slow. Curious how far the big game combo list has gotten too.
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Finally got the email today, lookin forward to gettin back out there in Montana.
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This deer line is moving way slower than I expected. Thought I had a decent number but being at #188 heading into October doesn’t have me feeling hopeful.
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It’s very depressing. The number all but stopped going down the last few weeks
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I find it very hard to believe they had more tags turned in last year than this year at this point, there’s no way
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I find it very hard to believe they had more tags turned in last year than this year at this point, there’s no way
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A month or so ago there was a good elk tag that was returned, I was on it in a minute or so after getting the message but it was already gone. :'(
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Seems strange, we know more people than ever applied so it's tough to argue the guys on the fence didn't apply and thus a higher percentage of people that applied are serious about hunting the tag.
The state is going to sell as many as they can, I can't think of a reason they would intentionally drag their feet.
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I called On Friday and they said they were still in the 180s or so? I’m blown away by that, givin the flow of how far they were last year at this time, unbelievable.
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I keep hoping now that their general season is open they will make the outfitters return their unbooked tags. If that were the case we may see one more big drop in Alternate numbers. If not you might be sitting at number 10 right now and you’re probably not going at the rate it’s been dropping the last month. If they don’t release the unused outfitter tags I sure hope they treat them like a corporate budget. If they don’t use them this year they don’t get them next year
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Well it dropped another 47. Still not looking good for me
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Figured I’d update u fellas, got it done yesterday in Central Montana
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Whoa
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Stud buck!
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Nice buck. we would be leaving this Thursday IF we had tags.
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Soon as these outfitters turn in the unused tags that list will start flyin, problem is they slackin and prob won’t be till next week when it’s too late for most non res to get out there, sad. Holdin those tags hostage almost.
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Just picked up deer tags for my daughter's we are leaving on the 18th.
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Soon as these outfitters turn in the unused tags that list will start flyin, problem is they slackin and prob won’t be till next week when it’s too late for most non res to get out there, sad. Holdin those tags hostage almost.
I sure hope you heard that from a credible source. I’m going to have my bags packed and let the family know now I’m probably missing Thanksgiving. Probably getting my hopes up for nothing but at least it sounds like there could be a chance
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I heard that from the FWP, anybody know where they are on the list as of recently? Heard around 200 a little over a week ago?
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Dropped another 26 spots this morning. But needed to go a lot quicker than that for me
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Checkin to see if anybody else got to go based on list?